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What's up? Everybody back again? Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment with this next talk.
You know what I mean? Maybe maybe I'm a glutton for punishment, but we're back at it.
Potential Knicks trades.
Um, usually when we do this thing and you'll pardon my covert beard right now, I'm not Covic.
I'm sorry, I I don't want to take over.
Um, I don't wanna give Kobe credit for nothing.
Part of my quarantine beard.
Um, sometimes, sometimes it's it's the way and sometimes is not.
Today is one of those days where, Yeah, the beard is mightier than the comb.
Let's just put it that way, E.
I don't know if you'll go through, go through those waves and that, but some days the beard is mightier than the comb.
That's what we're dealing with right now.
So, um, So I jumped on. Yeah.
What's up, rip? And what's up? Right? Hey, what's up? Hey, you want to come through? Yeah, I was up all You enjoy your only send that invite? No. Okay. Whatever.
Alright. It's cool. It's cool.
I'm just saying, dog, you know the invite.
You know, it's a standard invite.
You know what I'm saying? It's not It's not, You know, the occasional, like, whenever I feel like it.
I ain't wishy washy like that.
I feel like, you know, I'm saying you always bring something.
Go to the table, Yo.
So, yeah, you're laughing at my beard, man.
Hey, man, I can't help it.
My beard is like, um, sometimes it's the wave, and sometimes it's not.
It's just it's just whatever.
You know what I mean? Hey.
I'm warning you right now.
I'm thinking mad crazy.
You see the title of the show? You'll see the title.
Little show, right? I'm telling you, You know how you know people be like.
You know what I'm saying? When when your intellect and maybe your finances and your swag all line up It's like you in your bag.
I'm a complete opposite right now under complete opposite.
You know, like you were smarter a Z You can be your relevant as you can be.
You know what I'm saying? Your your finances are all Mind up.
You know what I'm saying? Everybody get it? Everything everybody gets you whatever.
And how you just being your bag Feels like that moment.
I'm the complete opposite right now, dawg.
It's Friday night and I dont heard some some bs, Knicks rumors, and I'm about to address them right now.
Only complete opposite.
I'm not in my bag right now.
I'm not eso anyway.
Anyway, Before, before I Before I get completely into this next stuff, I just wanna wanna, um, tell the story right quick.
I saw one of my homeboys, um, in one of them box stores, You know what I'm saying? Um, and we reminisced about something that happened in this funny, actually.
Um, so So, um, where I live, we don't We're kind of devoid of sports.
We have a baseball team like I think it's like super low a baseball.
I think it's the Florence Red Wolves.
Whatever they're called, right back in the day, though, we used tohave.
Ah, hockey team. That was super low. A.
But we should support the hell out the hockey team.
So it was the p g pride, right? So the PD pride is the name of hockey team, right? Hey, thanks.
Go blue for the tip.
I appreciate that.
I appreciate that, man. That go a long way.
You know what I'm saying? For helping helping keeping the, you know, the lights on.
What's up? My Oh, hell, Mike, Mike, me and Mike is in the building.
I know stuff is about to get haywire.
Yo, Mike, I'm offended telling this story right quick and, you know, shout out the mic, man.
Hey, y'all show some love for Mike and Chatman.
Say what's up? Whatever.
But I'm gonna finish this this p g pride story, and then then I'm gonna move on to the next.
Um, So anyway, um, we had this low a hockey team, right? And we supported the hell out of it, right? The best we could.
We didn't have anything else in our area to support.
You know what I mean? So we used to always go to the hockey game.
I think I used to make, like, Thursday nights and Saturday nights.
Unless it was on the road.
Yeah. Look you in the building. A man.
Visitors in the building.
Yo, that's a that just made my night right there. Whatever.
Hey, everybody in the track.
Say, What's up? State? Let's say what's upto the homie Vogue.
Yo, they're They're probably forgot more about the Knicks that that most of us no or ever will know, probably put together.
That's my dog right there.
You know, I'm saying, um, for the record, you know, always like the most level headed, Um, next cat that I know.
You know what I'm saying? You know, that's that's my guy right there.
I've been I think I was on, um, send Russell's show nothing but next.
Ah, couple of time with Dev and stuff getting haywire.
And my man always hit you up with fax.
You know what I'm saying? He always hit you up with fax like, yeah, I'll be, like, catch me.
Like, you know, we didn't keep starts because starts with trash and my man would be like, Yo, no, man.
E mean stocks might have been trashed, but at least they have become with data.
You know, I'm saying data to to support his points or whatever, and, you know, we all go out and support them on all his Um I'm Mike.
I'm gonna get into that.
Hold on, hold on.
Let me tell my story, Mike.
I'm gonna get to it.
So so, anyway, um, So we had this This hockey team Midnight area, right, The PD pride.
Um, so we go through this thing where we win some championships or whatever.
It was like a weird time. It's like 95.
We went some championships or whatever, but then ownership as like started, like skipping back on money we like Yo, why we let such and such walking free agent why we didn't sign them back.
Um, the only didn't have no money.
You're like, Oh, so anyway, we get to a point now where we go from being like, uh, the who could not compare us to.
So we go from being like the just thinking about whatever whatever franchise that that always well, didn't that didn't have money and was small.
We don't like the Minnesota Twins of the eighties.
Basically like like a low budget, but always competitive, right? So anyway, um, all of a sudden that strategy doesn't work anymore because the teams around us started growing like Charleston's team got better.
Charlotte's team got better.
Colombia's team and got better, and they were spending money and we were spending at the same way we normally spend, right? So now we can't get talent like we used to, because teams were our business, but our families was passionate.
And I'm talking about cats like me.
Just regular Joe Blow's not not Not like I mean, I'm sure like that, Like the well to do people were there, too.
But I'm talking about cats, like, just imagine, you and all your co workers all y'all talked about on Tuesday afternoon about two o'clock was the conversation was you know, I can't wait to get off because we got to go see Go check out the pride game.
Right? So, anyway, um, this one year, we're in last place, right? And we're not even competitive.
Right? So we're not even competitive.
We're just, um you know, one of those situations where we couldn't sign, we couldn't keep the guys that got us to the playoffs two years ago.
Now we're just like getting anybody that can play.
Right? So we play against Charleston.
Charleston has signed two of the best guys that in our league. They signed them outright.
They just signed.
They just had more money And so they they just signed.
The guy's right.
So they come eso We played them in Charleston and a few of us went to Charleston.
Right? So it will be in Charleston, right? These deals is trying to shine on us, right? So they jump out.
So it's the first period, and so they come out.
So the first people to come back to a for nothing lead, right, it's for nothing, Right? So they stay shining on us.
You know what they're putting in, like they 11th man.
13th man, they're putting out their kids like dudes 18 19 years old.
And they get out there and their kids out there checking us in the balls and hurting up our guys and was like, Yeah, yeah, hurting the best players Wayne even know good.
And y'all coming out here trying to hurt our best players.
You're checking out best plays into the glass and, you know, and so what happens is I place to get near the glass, and they're like, just, like, just steamroll our best players into the boards.
And like so every time you hear it, the glasses Oh, yeah, everybody.
And then the little you know, these places sit like 9000 people or whatever.
Charleston got, like, 3500 people there, and it's like, 500 of us.
So it's ****, they're packed, right? So I'm gonna just blistering us, right? So I'm mad.
I thought my yo and no like, yo, I don't waste beer.
So I drink my beer, and I slammed that empty cup on the ground.
And usually I keep the cups.
What I'm saying because they usually have, like, the team name on it, you know? You know what I'm talking about? When you go to these games, the team name and schedule on it and all that bs.
So I slammed my cup on the ground.
Mad right mocha. That's my wife.
Feels like uncle Freeze.
He come down, man. It's just a game.
I'm, like, any disagree? I hate Charleston because it was the rival.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
Yeah, You know what I'm saying? You know what s so anyway? So anyway, and I promise you get to the next race stuff.
I just want to tell the story.
So I slam my cut down and I'm mad until the crowd that contended that roll down the Charleston with us.
We mad we like, Yo, we're gonna cut their ass when they come to Florence Saturday, that's for sure.
We're gonna tell all our homies what happened down here in Charleston.
So anyway, anyway, yes, man.
Uncle freezing something we call the art.
It's not interrupting my story.
So anyway, s way.
He's like, yo, so Saturday Come, the game is like at 7.
30 you know, way outside in the parking lot tailgating.
So about about three o'clock, the Charleston best show up, right? Eso the Charleston bus show up way wanted to the Charleston bus, and we throwing arc Uzis.
And it was all kind of, you know, I'm saying stuff.
So anyway, they get off the bus and I'm like, Yeah, OK, so at the time I look at the time Uncle Faizi was like, 65 like, 400 something pounds.
Right? Big dude.
Right, So So I'm like, yeah.
Then these dudes got the bus.
I'm like, Hey, these mother****ers biggest hell in real life.
So I stepped back.
That's why they was killing us in Charleston.
So now I'm like, Oh, these dudes might Dude, you know what I'm saying? Eso So anyway, anyway, we go.
We get back to the grill, You know, we men listen, Bud Light and hot dogs and reds and all that stuff.
So anyway, anyway, fast forward to the game.
I'm like, I swear I'm, like, 19 beers, and I don't want to say I don't wanna say 20 beers because it makes me sound like an alcoholic.
So I'm just gonna say 19 plus right.
So everybody is empty.
And so Charleston comes out, they get, they get, they wouldn't face off.
And like the lamp anybody do.
The hockey is You know how embarrassing that is.
They get the face thought right, they win the faceoff, go straight down and, like, the lamp. Just Duke.
The goalie out there were like, Oh, right, So anyway, so, anyway, its is the third period.
We down like 11.
Nothing to Charleston, right? They just outclassing us.
And so they hit.
Dude, our best players left the dude that got hurt in Charleston not playing.
So we signing dudes off the street and they hurt a guy that had came to the restaurant and ate dinner with us.
You know what I'm saying? He's like, you know, he was just he Even though he was an athlete, he came and ate dinner with us.
You know what I'm saying? Hey, what's up, kitty? Kathy? 55.
What's going on? So we come in, so we automatically just get attached to him, right in, like, just four or five days.
Right? So, you know, we like, man, this dude so cool.
We need to sign him back because he like salt of the Earth.
You know what I'm saying? He had grinder.
He had been just just hanging on, you know, He he was just about to get a real job.
Except he got kicked.
You know, at the last minute, he get these calls about hockey team to come play.
Right? So the third period Yeah, he coming down the boards and, like, two of they do just hollow him.
Use chicken, chicken, chicken.
Right, Everybody and everybody just go crazy.
Who used when it's fight time, the deejay usually play this joint.
Um um um, whatever.
All in all, it's just another brick in the wall is we usually play right.
But this time he tells a different joint.
He plays this song by us.
You called? Yeah.
We had just heard the song.
The song I've been out like, two weeks He play Are you Later is P Show a town down and yo and I panting a man I hate to the man I don't try I don't lie about sports or whatever.
Yeah, Pacific Center goes crazy.
All my co workers from work.
Yo crazy, my sons.
And then that was in the building Crazy I goalie skates down to the other Goalie is fast.
He can like ripping off his stuff, right? And so he gets to the other goalie and the golden see him coming, right? I mean, you know how far that is Escape, Right? So the golden goal, you see him coming? He, like, throws a haymaker and I goalie and miss right? And I go early slides and upper cut the hell out of his ass.
See that? And everybody fighting dog.
I'm talking about dudes.
Charleston is fighting a team on the ice offices, fighting them in the stands.
Yeah, I love our chance is trying to fight each other.
You know what I'm saying? The Florence kids in the Charlton kids way like, you know what I guarantee you.
And when we're in this game, we dance, You're going to fight, you know, saying its security running around like, break it up, break it up. All this stuff.
So they finally they finally dragging people off the ice security, get trying to thought on people at the civic Center, director other people to their seat.
And so eso we wind up willing to fight with Charleston, right? Charleston is like, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So at the end of the game, at the end of the game, all of this and scrubbed on the ice, everybody that was participating in the fight get kicked out of the game.
So the scrubs is left.
You know what I'm saying on both sides.
So we down like 14 nothing, and it's like three minutes left.
And so this guy who had hadn't scored he had been on the team for, like, four seasons.
He had never scored.
He bracing the defense and lights the limp and the d day, right on cue place.
You know, you were like, piece.
And so we saw celebrating, man.
And even though Charleston kicked our ass, probably, and probably on on the ice and in the stands.
One of the best moments that I remember in sports, because that feeling of you know, you finally coming through and you finally have something good happened to your team or whatever.
And even though we got as cut on the ice and maybe understands, too, we finally had something good to happen.
But anyway, anyway, I didn't want to share that with you all.
I do generally don't tell like the stories like that.
You know, when I get here because maybe longest held or whatever, but I met my one of my homeboys from back in the day, you know, in the store.
And he was like, Yo, you remember that? And I was like, Hell, yeah, I remember that.
Anyway, on to my next on to my next, right, So Mike says, try being a Met fan.
The good times A few and far between Mike, I ever mass fan.
I've been a Mets fan since, like, 1970.
And I'm talking about hard core.
I'm not talking about the primary years when you go to the game and you just route because you know what I'm saying? Because because if that's the case, I've been a Mets fan since, like, 70 something, you know, I'm saying, but I've probably been a I'm talking about, like, following every move.
Probably since, like, 76.
So it's probably, like 1976 77.
All right, come on. A dog.
Ain't nothing wrong with being a grandpa man, but But I'm Uncle Free Z Uncle Free Z.
Yeah, let me do Let me do something real quick.
Let me let me do something here.
And I mean all right.
I just want to want to do do that real quick.
All right? So jumped on the Friday night because I heard, um, about the potential next rumors and trades.
So what? You know, I check my ****ing yes, man, in case I don't know, man.
Yo, yo, what's up? Don't you know crazy? I got a couple of minutes.
What's going on? Hey, man.
I wanted to have you on man because for one, for one I know, no matter how the next stuff ebbs and flows, I know you're gonna bring facts to the table.
You know, I'm saying, regardless of our emotional highs and lows, I just wanted to extend the invitation to you for one so that the cats that follow me can follow you on all the stuff that you do and also so that you know, these arguments that that generally like how we get out of hand on next Twitter so we can bring some reasonable thought to some of the stuff on on next Twitter.
So So let me ask.
So let me ask, you start by asking you this.
Well, how do you feel about the next trading for Russell Westbrook and the package that's out there that we may give up to get him? Alright, so I've haven't followed all the packages, to be quite honest.
Um, but in my honest opinion, I am.
And the reasons I have mainly, I mean, he's 30.
Give me this is aged 32 season, probably 33 knowing whenever season starts, right and he has.
How many years left like he has one too.
I think three seasons left somewhere around there.
Your contract, Contract, contract, contract? Yeah, He's, like, three seasons left, like, $120 million right? Right.
So the problem with Westbrook is this right? So you bring someone like Westbrook there, you're already gonna become, you know, like a 40 37 to 30 Like a 41 team.
So you're stuck in no man's land, and you kinda have to, like, you have to get so much better.
But you already committing $40 million to Westbrook, right? So, you know, there's only so many limited options to get better.
Um, with that second off, the real problem then is now.
Okay, You put something like Westbrook on there from a you know, from a talent perspective, you know, you need to surround him with shooters.
I mean, Houston tried that with, you know, if they're, like, basically no center line up, But, you know, there's a lot of limitations that right, You know, you're gonna get torched them on the glass, and you'll just get torched in many different methods.
And you know, the let's just zoom right.
Assume that there's no, um, like, we're not giving up much except for absorbing the contract. Right.
Um, s So that's based looker.
Just just, you know, minimal stuff.
We send one guy over some guy.
I don't know, whoever it is, right.
And we just take on Westbrook.
Um, you know, you can't like carrying Westbrook and RJ bear together is probably like, That's a terrible um pairing.
First off, you got two guards that can't shoot.
I mean, not yet, right? Like Barrett still got a ways to go.
Westbrook, we know who he is.
He's not going to shoot.
Um, Westbrook's not gonna have the same freedoms he had in O. K.
In Houston, and sounds like Houston.
He was able to get away with the fact that he had a lot of shooters.
So, you know, even though he struggled a lot from, you know, he actually he didn't struggle.
He actually his best season from a shooting percentage.
But what happened was that once the playoffs hit, you know, they just basically said, All right, I dare you to shoot.
And you know, you just way saw what he saw, right? So he was just breaking a lot of shots.
That's gonna be amplified.
Even Mawr in New York, where, you know, you're just gonna You're going to see ah, whole lot of, um, Titan Blaine's to drive.
And what happens is you do that.
And, you know, bear, it's not gonna develop the way you want to develop, because you obviously, you know, you just put a no spacing line about there is not good for anybody, and that's not good for someone like I don't know.
I mean, that has a domino effect on your other players.
Um, I just think the pairing is like, Look, I like Russell Westbrook.
I loved him is a play.
I loved him during the thunder days.
I love is, you know, I'm loved his passion.
Um, you know, you need someone that type of, you know, tenacity and heart.
I just think at at this stage in his career, I don't think the Knicks and Westbrook are the right, um, fit.
And I think that the Knicks have better options to go with rather than trying to commit that much money to someone like Westbrook, where the ceiling is not that high second thing is, forget it.
Forget it from, you know, the talent and did perspective.
But, you know, obviously the rial issues that you're not getting anything enticing for taking on that money.
Because Houston has no assets.
They have nobody they can give you.
They have no pics.
So, you know, what are you getting from Houston? You should be able to get some sort of asset for taking his contract.
You can't, right? So, you know, you're basically just taking him on getting no reward from it, and it just doesn't make sense.
Toe bailout, Houston when they're so desperate to get rid of Okay, that's my honest opinion.
I mean, and I mean, really, he's gonna look age 33 season guy who is relying on a planet in this system.
You just know that, you know, it's gonna be any season now, so, you know, it's a similar to the guy like CP three.
You know, it's gonna be one injury you never know with, You know, these type of players is you know, they one injury could just set him back forever.
And, you know, if Russell Westbrook is not playing, it is being $43 million like family.
You know, that is really, uh, that's really rough.
That's basically about close to 40% of your cap.
Maybe 38% of your cap tied up in a guy at that age and and is injured.
So what about what about, um the the way that Tom Thibodeau used Derek roles in his formidable years when the roles didn't have a jump? Well, it didn't have a consistent jump shot or didn't have a willingness to take it. Yes.
So Westbrook is right now, that's a good question.
Um, so that era, I mean, he really only had about a season and a half, and I'm going to say, seasoned a half because, you know, he had the full M V P season plus probably half of the lockout year.
And even then, you know, he was like out due to injuries or whatever for most that season.
Um, it was a different era.
I mean, I hate to say it, but it's, you know, they tips was able to get away with not get away.
But it was not a three point center, and, um, there was a lot more post up game.
There was a lot mawr isolation, heavy basketball.
Eso You know, a lot of the defensive systems that you saw that tips tried toe utilize, um, that were came from the Boston days to in the Houston days.
You know, like the ice picking ice in the pick and roll.
Um, drop coverage, which is basically, like, all right, I'm just gonna, like, drop all the way into the paint. Used.
Knew you just knew someone like LeBron or any of them.
They're just gonna, you know, driving to the paint.
And, you know, you could just, like, pack the paint.
Um, like, I would just say, like in general, I think.
I mean, I just I went on top of a top.
I went off topic for a second, but like, I just think like the spacing is kind of like is much different now.
And I just don't think that, um, I don't It would be very hard, um, to thrive without having some sort of, um, semblance of a perimeter game.
Westbrook just does not have that perimeter game.
And, you know, he hasn't yet evolved. He hasn't evolved.
In fact, I think his best best season may have been that, like the first triple double season, which was, I think, the year after Durant left, where he had like, yeah, like me, like two threes a game.
And then ever since then it just basically dropped all the way down toe.
Very few, barely less than a three game or whatever.
So I mean, I think I think it'll be very hard.
Um, because it's just you just need the spacing.
Otherwise, the teams like defense is there is not gonna take.
They're not gonna take Westbrook seriously.
And if they don't take Westbrook seriously, that means the other four guys in the lineup will not be taken seriously, either.
I mean, picture of this right picture a five man line up with Westbrook.
You know, Julius Randle guy who also can't really shoot that many threes.
Say, Mitchell Robinson in there who doesn't really have ah shot beyond the foot, right, e? I mean, to be quite honest, e mean, ignore all the practice videos.
I mean, he doesn't have a game shot beyond one or 2 ft.
I mean, look, he you know he might.
He may improve his shot, but it might still take a year or so right.
Um and you know who's your small forward? Whoever that guys.
I mean, there's it's just a pact paint, and no one will be able to operate with any sort of cohesion.
Um, it'll just make life harder for everybody.
E. That's just it.
Just where, I mean, that's just where I see it.
So I have a different.
I have a different take on it, and it's It's not.
It's not Pro Westbrook.
Three point shooting.
It's more, um, pro Westbrook shot creation.
I think if you add Westbrook to the next, you know you're not gonna get anything above SE 30% from the three point line from Russell Westbrook, right? And that's terrible from a point guard, you know, saying it may be it may be, you know, high twenties, maybe something like that, right? But I think from a shot creation standpoint, I think Russell Westbrook, even at his advanced age, um is still a guy that can get you eight or nine assists a game, can still, you know, get you, You know, tough shots and when he's on when he's Brody.
When he's Brody now he is like top 10 MBA player, the You know what I'm saying? And I think what that does is is this so in a deal where you know we get a Russell Westbrook, we'll probably have Thio Trade scenario I saw was Julius Randle, Kevin Knox, Bobby Portis and Reggie Bullock for for Westbrook.
And it's just because just so that they can get out from some of that salary cap held that they're they're in by.
But anyway, what they do with poison them, I don't even care.
What I care about is as Westbrook's shot creation getting RJ Barry easier shots getting Mitchell Robinson easier shots.
Um um and also, um, um bringing that alfa type mentality to a bunch of guys that have been really beta over the last say all the way back to say, Carmelo Anthony's last couple of years in New York, where we've been, you know, mighty passive.
But guys with Courtney Lee and things like that What? What I would say also is is when you bring in, um, Russell Westbrook.
Then you also bring in um, say you know, at least kick the tires on Christian would, um, Davis Burtons And, you know, in the name that we've all all been hearing throughout the off season.
So I think his shot, the fact that he can create shots for others and get others easier looks outweighs the terrible three point shooting that he'll bring to the table.
So you make some good points? Um, there's valid points there where, you know, shock creation is undeniable.
In a sense, you know, Russell Westbrook would be probably the best guard scoring threat the Knicks may have ever had.
Um, who since our way Uh huh.
From point a to point.
I'm thinking, like, ever, right.
I'm really thinking he would probably be the best offensive point card the Knicks probably ever had.
I mean, maybe maybe Clyde if you want to go there.
But, I mean, I don't think I mean, obviously not.
Not as you know, Clyde was never as a explosive offensively is Russell Westbrook, Um, has been, um you make a point there.
Um, I think the key to that is in order to for him to create, I mean and get those 8 to 9 assists.
Um you need to have the people who can make baskets and you need to have the spacing that will allow him to operate within those lanes toe thio score and to pass and to create eso.
The key is in order to get those lanes, um, e mean, there's a lot of I mean, you just need you just need people to space the floor and in order to I mean, if the next wherever, find someone toe, you know, space, it's the floor.
Then I could see it.
I I just don't I just don't know if the Knicks can pull it off.
And I think, um, from a trade perspective, I mean, I don't even think Randall on them.
I think they would probably mean I'm just staying.
I think, in the Nixon just simply absorb it If they, you know, it would be that type of deal.
But because the Knicks don't really have any contracts outside of Barrett that extend past next year, eso they may not even, you know, it might just be a straight absorption.
But again, you know you need, you need, you need spacers on, but it's it's very I just I just see the fit being very tough and just all the all the factors involved, I think, Ah, I don't know.
I think there is.
There is actually some sort of better way and they look, I'm not.
This is the same reason.
Same argument for CP 32 and it's again CP three.
I think the contract.
I think, you know, he's a walking injury at risk.
And, you know, I have the same argument, but, um, the winning thing, um winning things, a legit thing.
Um, it's something that the Knicks need.
They need people to kind of teach, not teach.
They need to set an example for what it feels like.
Took to be on team that a win game.
And they need it's mawr than I mean.
It has to come or like from an organizational standpoint, like if you look at like like everyone mentioned the heat, right? So the heat winning mentality really began once Riley stepped foot in Miami, and he's like, all right, you know, you guys were just like taking things way too light.
Be in practice this that, you know, shootarounds.
It was like a joke everything changed within this, like, you know, months, right? So on.
And, you know, you start.
You've seen that 25 years later and you've seen it, You know, even they don't.
They may not win.
A lot of they may have been a lottery certain years, right? But they're still there's still a standard of excellence that, you know, it's that is, you know, set foot in Miami.
And, you know, that was set by Riley That was set by Alonzo Mourning.
Um, they set that winning mindset.
Um, so, yeah, I think in order for the tips error to succeed in the Tibbs rain to succeed, he needs to find a way toe, you know, develop that winning mindset.
And I mean Russell.
I mean, Russ, whether you like him or not, I mean, he has Ah, he's won a lot of games, but again, you have toe, You know, that has that mentality has to exist, you know, during Russ, like whoever is there, right? Whether ruses here us is not here, whether he's, you know, whatever the situation is.
So, um you know, I get I completely get your arguments.
I think I think the Knicks mill will probably steer away, in my honest opinion.
But then again, you never know.
But that's just where I'm heading, right, So So I don't know what what the plan A is for the next at point guard or the direction of or, you know, So I don't know what their plan is or what level of veteran they look to bring in.
But, you know, based off of what have been the needs, historically, you would think Westbrook would be would be, at least, you know, on the radar based on him being a veteran, being able to play at a high level, him bringing a winning mentality to a team him, you know, being able to do multiple things not being one dimensional at a position, you know, I mean, actually average a triple double.
I think he did it twice.
You know what I mean? So so, um, he also has played in big time high leverage games.
Unlike to me, I don't know how many High Leverage Games CP three has played in, right, Like how many Western Conference finals? And you know what I'm saying? And how Maney game situation he's played in.
But I know west of rust Westbrook seems to have played in a number.
And I would like to at least know that the Knicks are considering bringing in somebody that wants toe win at all cost.
Um, you know, if we look at what the alternatives would be, say a CP three, Um, I would probably prefer Westbrook over Chris.
Paul, just because I don't know, Westbrook is gonna bring a certain level of play every night.
Um, and he's younger.
I mean, I think age probably has something to do.
Something has some level of influence on the decision that you look to make.
E just can't see Leon roles going into the first season of his, um of his, you know, being the Knicks head coach with a rookie at point guard.
I don't know if a 62 year old guy will have the patience to teach, you know? Ah, rookie point guard.
How to play and be patient with him for, say, three or four years until he gets it.
Yeah, I mean, that's that's a fair point.
Um, there's not really any other alternative point guard.
Um, you know, if you look at the hearings in market.
If you look it, I mean, there's only really two options.
In my honest opinion, I think it's you.
You just try to figure out what you can get out of your young, your point guard.
You are creo or whatever you wanna call him or you try to do a home run.
And I don't think you're I mean, it's gonna be hard to get the free agents.
I mean, say what you want about a guy like Fred Van Fleet or your Dragic E graduates Also 34 35 years old.
So I'm I'm a bit beery about someone that old too.
But I I don't I don't know what the I don't know what the Knicks air trying to dio.
Um, it's because again, I think it's just because the way that this, you know, with covert and everything I don't know, you know, who knows when the season's gonna start And I don't know.
You know who's going to the right guy that I just it's It's very it's very up in the air, in my opinion, right? Right, And so so so the point guards that that are on the radar right CP three.
Who is not a free agent.
Russell Westbrook is not a free agent. Drag.
It is, um, so those guys are still at that age that we're weary and drag.
It has not proven to anybody that he can play 2030 40 games in a role at that high level.
Basically, what we get from drag it is, you know, we get, like the 556 game stretches and either he's injured or cold.
And I don't know if you wanna, you know, brain that you.
I don't know if Knicks fans have will have the patients with Drag Ege to go through, um, se the injuries or his and I don't want to say cold.
I'll say it Z Either he's, you know, really good or he's not showing up at all like, um, these vanilla ice cream, so to speak.
You know, I don't I don't I don't remember ever seeing him be cold, but But sometimes you go through a stretch where he's a non factor, I guess is the better way to put it.
I mean, I don't know.
I he hasn't been in the playoffs a lot, but I mean, I think only the last few seasons where when he actually got hurt.
But again, we're talking about We're talking about a guy who's a like a 34 year old player.
Starting next season, we're talking about a guy who's maybe 35.
We're also talking about someone who's, you know, you gotta be careful about the Miami effect, because, um, the Miami effect is when people that are like role players are Look, they look a lot better just because, you know, they're in Miami, right? You know, they just find a way to make players look a lot better than they probably really are.
So, you know, if you deflate someone like Dragic, you know, again, I mean, he might be okay, but you may also get toes.
They called their own too, right? So, you know, right? You just wanna be You wanna be careful? You wanna be careful? Yeah, I just don't know.
I think I think the knicks air in a weird spot.
E mean, where they with? I mean, I saw in the comment.
Dragic was good. He was good.
I'm just saying he's older now, right? So that's the only difference now? Um, I don't know.
I mean, I have a problem the Knicks had last year was that they just tried to bring in.
Like, I think what the Knicks really needed last year is someone to be like a true veteran rather than someone like a Nelford Peyton, who wasn't really a veteran but rather with someone on a reclamation deal, like trying to, like, reprove himself a little bit.
And when you have someone who's on a reclamation deal, what ends up happening is that you just you don't get a full sense of development.
Um, either, you know, from as for the young point guard, So I think all our I think Frank and D s J really missed having a a true mentor a za uh, you know, as a point guard.
And I think it could have really used someone.
I don't think Alfred Elfers I got I think I think some of the garage it could be a mentor, but I think he'll be too expensive and all these worth of price.
Um, CP three would be a perfect mentor, but again, the price tag attached the CP three.
Um, you're just gonna be too much.
Um, so I think the Knicks during a weird spot there in a very, very weird spot.
So I had a ridiculous idea, and I know this is ridiculous.
You know, I'm at the age now or where I know some of the stuff that I say or think may not be on par with what everybody else is thinking.
So I'm okay being out in left field, but I want to run this by you and see what you think.
So I think if you trade for Chris Paul, if you trade for Chris Paul, I think you have to trade for I mean, have to sign Fred Vanvleet.
I think that the only way I need Fred VanVleet is if I have Chris Paul.
And the only way I need, you know, and okay with having Chris Paul is if I have a Fred Vanvleet and the reason why I suggest that is because I need for me, Chris Paul, to have help in the backcourt at a high enough level where he could stay healthy 82 games.
And I don't think Fred Vanvleet, even though his numbers and his play a spectacular at times I don't think he can do it full time.
So I think I have to have both at the same time to kind of balance out with both players would bring to the organization on.
Sounds crazy, right? Like, why do you need to full time point guards? And they're both 6 ft tall? Yeah.
I think What would you give Fred van sleep? Mm. Okay.
So I don't buy into him being a full time starter at point guard.
So, um, I'm definitely offering something sub 20.
Um, man, And I know that may take me out of the running, but I think my high water mark for him in a contract is maybe 19.
Now I know that at the beginning of the at the beginning of the season, that sounded like a lot.
But the closer we get to free agency, I think his that number is going to be higher than 20 mil.
Because because of teams off what teams are offering, uh, yeah, like 60 and one.
Who's going on a CP three.
Trade is so I want to clear the backcourt.
The point guard blood so So Frank and D s j should go.
I would include knocks, um, Randall, part of Ellington.
Um, I would include, you know, the player option guys, um, knocks Frank and D S j and not all of those guys, but all of them would be available in that deal, especially the two point guards, because what I don't wanna have is a muddy backcourt.
I don't wanna have, um, Frank has to get minutes with Chris, Paul and Fred Vanvleet being here.
I don't want a situation like that.
Yeah, I just think the idea of, like, $60 million on the point guard spot, plus, you know, the additional $20 million for Randall leaves you 80.
Which leaves you, like, around 30 million toe, like, figure out the rest of the roster.
Yeah, I don't know.
I wouldn't I wouldn't commit 62 to 2 point guards, and I probably wouldn't, uh, see, the problem is there, right? Then you have to You have to build a playoff team with that, and then there's gonna be nearly impossible to do it.
Everything is just there.
There's there has to be a better way for roster allocation.
Um, and I don't I don't know.
If I probably wouldn't, Um, I wouldn't advocate for that.
Also, I think, you know, I think Fred Van Fleet's going to get more than you will get.
We'll get around like 21.
22 e just wouldn't I wouldn't give it to someone that it's gonna be a platoon.
Like, if you're gonna give him 22 then you might as well start.
Well, my goal is just to start them together.
Yeah, I wouldn't I don't know.
The two sub 6 ft guards.
I think that's a recipe for a lot of trouble.
You know, Toronto won a championship with that? They did.
Although if if I remember correctly Fred Van Fleet, did he come off the bench at you? Mm, I'm not sure.
And I use that as an example.
Even though I know it's an anomaly, they is an anomaly because they had cooperated, right? So So And And we didn't know that Pascal sockem was gonna be that good at the time.
So they had a bunch of things happen in their favor.
But But you know.
I just used it as an example to say, You know, teams have done it before.
And 16 $60 million backcourt.
Um, so Washington has one.
Golden State has one, I think.
Portland, maybe close.
But again, those air guard those air that's committing to both guard positions.
Um, I I just don't see.
I don't see Fred being, Ah, I don't think he's a full time to, I think is too short to be a full time to.
That's why I like when I say 60 million point guards.
That's different than when you know Washington has, like, like, 60 Miller 70 militants.
You know, both of one of the two eso.
Same with Portland.
Same with Golden State.
So I just I'm not I'm not too high that I think I It's either one or the other.
So I've been asked.
I've been asked repeatedly, this'll one question, and then I'll ask you this and then, um just to get your opinion on it.
So, in terms of young core, do you think that the Knicks have a, um, comparable young core to the non playoff teams in the east.
So you're Atlanta's your Charlotte's? Um, you're Who else? The Atlanta, Charlotte, Chicago.
Uh, he Atlanta, Chicago, Charlotte, Cleveland.
I mean, I will put them both.
Charlotte, I'm not I'm not I'm not crazy in Charlotte, Cleveland.
I'm not crazy on them either.
Um, Chicago is a mess. Yeah.
Yeah, I would say comparable.
I mean, it depends on what you mean, Trey.
Youngest kind of taking the conversation of different levels.
I think obviously, the Knicks have to have to get up there.
You know, having an all star guard.
If Barrett could be that guy, you know, that would put him in the conversation, in my opinion.
Now, you know, to be clear, these non playoff teams, you know, just was your You know, You know, that doesn't mean that, you know, these teams air significantly flawed or not significantly flawed.
Right? So, you know, obviously, like the Hawks The biggest problem.
They can't really defend anybody and really, the Mexican dealer.
So, um, that's why I think it's It's not, um it's close.
I just think, um I think we're probably step below the hawks just because of you.
know of the tray.
Um, and I think I think that Z that's bad, in my opinion.
So can you hang around for a little bit and you gotta go? I gotta head out on a couple of man.
Well, listen, I just wanted I just wanted Thio.
Thank you for coming on, man. Hey.
And the other thing, too, is is that stuff that I say about you on on Twitter is Israel Love? It ain't like, you know, just happened.
I appreciate you bringing, you know, a reasonable take to all things next.
Because I know sometimes we get get out of whack.
I appreciate you coming on, boss.
He's got to keep it real sometimes, right? So yeah, yeah, sometimes can be yelling at each other, right? You know, just like, man, don't do this.
Don't go too often, right? Sometimes we gotta You gotta think about it like, you know, multiple different perspectives.
Right? So it's always good to hear it was good to hear different thoughts, and then you like, try toe, try to understand.
Where you coming from with this thought right before Completely.
You know, like, rather than shutting someone down, you know, just understand where they're coming from a little bit, right? So, you know, I appreciate you doing something good with this stuff, right? So you gotta you gotta nice group of support of people, especially now logged on.
It's like midnight, right? I mean, how many people you get? You know, anyone who comes on after midnight? It's like, that's a blessing, right? Right, right, right, right.
They really dedicated to you, right? So yeah, man.
And and and me to them.
And me too, That is I'm a representative of the next Twitter litter.
I'm in that literal puppies and l next Twitter.
So listen, I hate that word.
Next e Next man.
Man, you just use that platform to you.
You are you You just want to express your thoughts, right? Look like Like think about it this way, right? You know, I was doing this.
I've been on Twitter for years, man.
I was on Twitter since I was like, I had to go on for, like, I have to log.
Oh, I have to log on for the first time we're creating account, I think, for a college class or something.
Eso This is like 2000, 8000 and nine And that was around the time people who is using Twitter for like of, you know, trying to get like, like, just telling people random things like, Hey, I'm doing this.
I'm doing that like I'm in the library.
I'm here and there.
But there was a second, like, you know, around like 20,000, 9010 or whatever.
Then you started getting like, Oh, you know, you can kind of like father, like cable companies.
They're not like, you know, my cable's out of this and that, or if you have some issue with the product, you could just go after them.
And, you know, that's when, like, the sports stuff started getting really right.
So then you started saying some of the next digital people kind of like, you know, starting to make their ways a little bit.
But it didn't really pop up until, like, crazy enough, like 2000 and like 60 and 2017 or so on.
And you know, I think somehow, you know, somehow, some way you know, obviously, you know, sin was sin was a big part of it.
But then, you know, there's a whole push tow, like, once you realize, like, listen, you know, people covering this team is doing a terrible job there.
We're not terrible job, but we don't like their coverage less, you know, cover the team the way we think the team should be covered.
So, you know, that's where we created this whole wave of different people.
Whether it's sin, whether is you whether you know, whoever it is, right.
You know, um, that's where we kind of got this way where we're just we're just fans that we just want We want to express our thoughts on the team and the way other people won't.
And I think, you know, that's a tenant of, like, if you look at business, if you look a I mean, I know you on the front stoop.
So it's like if you looked at, like, how is some of these, like, you know, labels, you know, got, you know, exploded in the nineties.
It was just like, Listen, you're not gonna put my music on.
You're gonna you know, we're just gonna do it on our own, right? So, you know, we got that same mentality.
Um, now we're just, you know, made the profit.
Motive is not they're not necessarily always there.
But, you know, we just do it because we're trying to share our perspective on the team, and we think that there's other people that, um, that share our perspective.
So, you know, you've got to keep you keep continuing to dio whether you got 10 people, whether you got 100 people, they got 1000 people, you know, 10 people's whatever it is, right? You know that that that means that there is 1,000,000 people, you know, supporting you and your supporting that, right? No doubt.
So So let me ask you let me ask you, because I already know, right? I already know.
I kind of follow you and a group of guys on Twitter and and some other nicks platforms and whatever thio get, you know, to stay kind of tuned in.
Can you share, um, where you are and who you're hanging out with and some stuff that diehard Nick fan should look to follow as they look for next news.
I'm gonna drop the Twitter handle down there.
It's just it's v d A D h a N I A I've written stuff for the K.
F s mixed film school stuff, but za sites Something's wrong on this site right now, But I I recently started writing stuff for daily next and that I'm gonna have some stories I may I wrote about.
I called it like the tips files.
Like how you know, we can unleash how tips can unleash certain traits and stuff into certain players, or how we gonna unleashed their potential a little bit.
So I focused on four players that focus on Mitch focused on Kevin Knox, R.
Barrett, and the last one was Julius Randle.
Um e mean I could share the pieces, but it was kind of cool the way I did with Randall, because I kind of, um, I was able to get film and just kind of breakdown things that you should have done if you continue doing Onda what he shouldn't do anymore.
Eso You know, I think there's a lot of fun.
Find a lot of random statistics.
I mean, I'll just share a couple nuggets, like, you know, when you look at someone like a Kevin Knox, you're like, all right, You know why? I mean, it was a terrible shooter last year, but then there are certain areas of the floor where he actually shot, you know, half decently.
Well, but he just didn't get the opportunity to do it.
And obviously, defense and other things played a role into it.
So, um, you know the pieces, they're all there.
I'll share a couple links, you know, for for your followers, but highly recommend those pieces.
And you know what? I'll hit you up on Twitter so that so that I can get the links and stuff s so that so That so that, you know, I can share that with everybody.
So so that we can continue to spread the next knowledge amongst ourselves to share, because there there are some things out there in the next stratosphere.
The Knicks fans don't know about because they hadn't either looked into advanced stats or they hadn't been told.
Barrett averaging 17 points per game after McMorris was traded, and he shot 45% from the field and 32% from three.
But the narrative is that R. J.
Barrett is a terrible shooter from everywhere on the floor and to share with the defense.
Of course, you know the 32% needs to improve, but 45% is the same percentage that that I'm Donovan Mitchell shot from the floor.
So, you know, it's it's It's one of those things that I think we need to to share more info.
Yeah, I mean, it's like some of it's like, you know, before I mean, like, simple stuff is like shot profile, right? You know, try to take Mawr corner threes, try toe.
You know, get mawr.
Opportunities are opportunities, you know, like the strong side three, right? You know, um, just looking at different shot charts.
And, you know, I kind of I kind of did a more expansive one on Knox because I thought Knox with the more fascinating, um, ****ysis on.
I kind of piggyback that onto Randall bit.
So listen, I put a link on there.
Um, you know, I know people want to get on the chat, so, you know, take a look on, do you can kind of click on my name, and you can just find other stuff I wrote.
Um, but yeah, man, I'll I've listened to your stuff.
I watched, uh, some of the replays, and hopefully I can come back on the live one soon, okay? Hey, dawg. Hey, man.
Listen, it's an honor, dog.
I'm telling you when I say this and listen, I'm not capping because I really don't Don't care for a lot of a lot of people that do next stuff I don't You know, I'm saying and I'll be honest with them, like, because I think a lot of it is more about raising their profile, as opposed to talking about the thing that they the things that we love, like our next You know what I'm saying? So some people don't.
Some people like me for being really Some people don't.
But when I tell you, man, I appreciate the fact that you be really 24 7.
You know, I need for you to know.
I'm really about that.
Um, and thanks again for coming on, and you got to come on again, man.
so we could talk some knocks.
Of course. Appreciate it.
Thanks for giving me. Yeah, take it off.
All right. Oh, Uh huh.
Alright to call.
E yo, is it me where he sounds static, etc? Yeah.
Okay, that is I'm sorry about the wait, man.
I'm sorry about the wait, but I didn't want to join to crash.
You all know how yo, I didn't want They didn't want to join the crash, man.
So and then have you all be talking? They have y'all talking **** about me talking about my dialogue.
E Good, good, good, good.
How are you? Hey, Rick.
I know you wanna dio my head off.
What? I need explanation.
E need to know why.
For what? Can you hear me? Yeah.
How How is the young core business? All those teams, the name those guys play.
I'm so confused.
What do you mean? Charlotte, Cleveland, Atlanta, Chicago, Chicago.
Homie said that we're just a good all.
I didn't answer the question.
All I did was ask the question all week.
Our core comparable to their No.
Okay, you can just look at your like, Chicago.
They have, uh, they have avian.
Like I don't think I don't think we're as an organization were too far away from these teams.
But but the young talent is not comparable.
They have. They have guys that are established.
***ton is a 20 point score in this league, you know, um, Trey is a 20 point scorer in this league.
Is an All Star in All Star Chicago.
They have a Levine.
Levine is 24 years old.
He's 26 point score in this league.
Should have been an All Star.
We might be less.
What do you think we might be? Less? We are Because our guys don't.
I mean, I'm not.
Maybe maybe he meant by, like, maybe we're projecting were always projecting.
Maybe that's what it is.
Maybe it's a projection things, but as of today, we're not where they're at.
Well, you can't count.
You can't count draft picks that we don't have it haven't been picked yet.
Yeah, maybe he's projecting on charging and image and Frank to be better players down the line.
Got to protect that for the other teams.
Thio So but no the question was posed to me might be ever asked me.
He said, Hey, how do you rank our core? Are young, core to everybody else and see, I hadn't thought about I don't think about stuff like that because it's It's like a It's like a loaded question because because core means you maybe like, how are they right now? ****.
I don't care if trade Young made a garbage.
They don't have a core thing.
I don't care what kind of *** and averaged 20 points a game in the Cavaliers.
A garbage, You know, I'm saying I don't care about that.
I'm What I'm saying is e have an issue with those comments because if r. J.
Was putting up ***ton's numbers, we'd be hopeful.
We're like, Okay, R J R J R J is ready.
Waiting here are ready to go.
We just need to get him some help.
We just need to do that and then But wait.
I wanna win, man.
E tell everybody e care about all that stuff.
I care about winning, man.
You know, I'm saying it is time out for us like baby in certain cats and making excuses like we made before we baby the the young core.
We used to make 1000 excuses for Carmelo Anthony.
Like all mellow doesn't have enough help.
Almelo only plays sometimes he plays defense.
Make Phil Jackson's on him.
That's why he I don't care about that stuff, dog.
I don't care about that stuff.
You know what I'm saying? That way care about is that that's not the point.
The point is, is that that's not what That's not what I'm saying, I'm you.
But when you One of the reasons why a lot of people were very disappointed about this past season is because of the fact that, um, yeah, we did better than the year before.
But it wasn't it wasn't being driven by the young players, you know, we were.
We started a veteran lineup of free agents and when your contracts and then R J now if we had the same record with the young players, would be more hopeful, even if even though we were, we're still losing.
But you'll be more hopeful because the kids are the few wins we have they are.
They are being contributed by by young players.
So to say that we're better than our core is comparable to those other teams is kind of ridiculous because those other teams it's the young players that's leading the charge.
That's not the situation with us.
So So So you said something to me that made sense, and I think it kind of we kind of glossed over it.
My point, Why, when you said because I was in the mindset that if we're gonna develop a young core into a playoff team, I'm with it as long as we grow the right way and you said that, and I don't know if you remember this and that, but But you mentioned the fact that we probably should have ran it back with the other spot, that we couldn't trade the 18 19 team, you know, I'm saying I would see I wouldn't have I would not have even had an issue with that, you know what I'm saying? My point was, my point was we need to get on a trajectory that leads to significantly more wins as we go across, as we you know, say progress through the years, You know, I'm saying so.
If we win 25 then the next year when? 35 then the next year, when 45 I could see at least where we're going, what I'm saying.
But when you bring in all these vets and you know you were, you know your trajectory was 17 wins and then you're talking about the next year you win 21 you paid all that money and put all this hoping the guys.
That's why why Frustration lies not in the fact that the young guys didn't do it.
I'm talking about the fact that we just don't have a clear plan or path that we want to go.
You know what I'm saying? That's my frustration.
You know, I'm saying, especially when I feel like if you have young guys that that you can make better just by letting them play.
Then then then I would say they're not be on board for that.
Even if those young guy, even if those young players were named Noah Vonleh a Mario Hezonja and and catch like that, I just wanna win.
I don't I don't care.
E don't care about.
You know, the names on the back of the jersey.
I just wanna win, man.
I mean, it's been 20 years legit.
20 years since we've been relevant.
Yeah, but I think we have to be honest with what we have to.
So I mean, what I'm saying that we got complement those other teams? Yeah, and and at the same at the same time, though at the same time.
Those teams, though, are not on the cusp of making the playoffs.
Those teams are garbage.
You know, I'm saying, who are they for us to compare ourselves to? I just posed the question because, Mike, you know, I'm saying ask the question legit? Asked one Nick fan asked another Knicks fan.
Well, you know, another team and I just wanted to address it.
So you can you can you can.
You can draw things out of losses, though.
I mean, the Golden State Warriors and art can can, uh, correct me if I'm wrong.
I think you know.
Then they had, like, they went 28 games or 20 games or something, like in there in the Mark Jackson days before.
But you saw improvement, but They were playing young players and right, you know, So they were building.
But Peyton's on a one year deal and and Portis is on a 11 plus one.
Randall expires at the end of this year, so yeah.
Yeah, we improved from the year before, but it wasn't Knox took a step back.
Frank had the increment slighting throughout.
Mitch pretty much was the same player.
Frank improved, but it was incremental.
So So I'm saying I can't Yeah, I love thanks so much, man.
No, no, I didn't know, You know, you're stuck on Frank.
I said, I said, Mitt, you know R J didn't have the year that we thought that we would hope.
I don't think I think I think we probably wanted more eso so I e just find it.
I just find interesting.
But, you know, like what with the Mark Jackson.
It's not like he like he played clay and stuff or like the kids.
But like he played hours, he played David Lee like he didn't play like the scrub kids like he didn't play they, you know, they shipped him out like they moved on from right you gotta play the good players.
You can't just play guys that don't know what you're doing because it's gonna They you're gonna make the other players like that you got You have been young players in here that you're forced to play because they're good.
You're not forced because, hey, he's a lottery pick.
I have to play him.
Yeah, well, and you know what? I grew being a good example so that the Miami Heat traded Josh Richardson and the Jimmy Butler Jail, right? That was a solid young piece for them.
They also traded Justice Winslow to get, uh, Crowder and Iguodala, right? Another another lottery pick from them.
They traded those young pieces and made the NBA finals, right, So? So my my point to it is if it takes training some of these young cats to get to the finals.
I e man, look, look, the reason why you even come to tip off is toe win.
So you need thio, man, you need to try to win every drill.
You need to win every everything in weight training.
You need to approach it like it's do or die everything.
You know, if you gotta be hungry.
You know, I'm saying for this thing because teams that are hungry don't win.
They just don't.
I mean, look a look.
A look it over the years, all of all the draft picks the Minnesota Timberwolves have had there.
Not a hungry franchise, you know what I'm saying? They drafted a lottery every year.
They're not starving, and they are exactly who we think they are.
They're just a random, more Orban franchise that draft high in the lottery every year, right? I mean, that's that's just what it is.
You know? I'm saying Golden State was hungry. They're starving.
They come from a championship pedigree back in the seventies.
You know, I'm saying they legit wanna win, you know what I'm saying? But the next we have to kick this thing into gift with Winning at everything is the most important thing.
What's up? How many wins with Miami have last year, they were like they were like the nine seed.
I think they didn't make it because Waiting was retiring.
They drafted good enough to be able to send off Winslow and Jason Richardson.
Not Jason Richardson, but yeah, no they? They found players.
They always not be hurt by it because they drafted.
They drafted. Good enough.
Like the Knicks? Yeah.
They're like, Oh, undrafted undrafted.
Duncan Robinson got more playing time than lottery pick.
It's almost like the next.
Gotta gotta have these veterans in here just toe.
When? 20 games. Yeah.
All right. Duncan Robinson Robinson.
First year playing on you in the mid in the league? I think so. Yeah.
I know he was undrafted, but I know he's old, though.
He's Oh, this is This is a second year, second year.
So he came in last year.
If you play last year, you play like, 15 games, 10 minutes, 10 minutes per game.
So you made a use, Joan? Yeah, right.
Eso issue Well, yeah, that's true.
And so the thing the thing is with bringing a Tom Thibodeau and this is what I've been wanting for them.
I remember I used to get smashed on Twitter for saying the Knicks should sign.
Should go after Lionel Hollins because he's just out there sitting on somebody's bench.
And the reason why I was saying go after a long line of Hollande's is at least a cat like that would establish a baseline.
Like if you get a lot of Holland, you automatically know regardless, once on your roster, you're gonna win at least 45 games.
You know, saying if you get into the playoffs, you know, I'm saying you at least have a chance to win a championship.
But we were running that Cats like Derek Fisher.
You know, I'm saying David Fizdale hollers wasn't won 45 games with the roster.
Derek Fisher head, no or Fizdale.
Yeah, coach, draft coach, coaches and LeBron James, you know? Yeah, but my man but Lionel Hollins established something like like when he comes to you well, back then, I don't know about now, but back then, you knew when you were getting into, like you knew his system was gonna be something like a grit and grind or something.
Right? When Fizdale got here, you didn't know what type system we were running were like, What's the direction of team? But I don't know, we just bringing the young guys fist.
And with Derek Fisher, you like, you know what? The direction of team we're gonna run a triangle.
Well, ****, that's offense.
What about defense? What are we doing? You know what I'm saying? I mean, with with horn insect, You like, you know what? What are we doing? Uh, we had we've had in just this century.
14 coaches in 20 mhm 20 years.
Did you break up? Hey, Froze? Yeah, a use man that's like that.
That's like every every almost if you really divided, it's like almost a year and a half each time you get a new coach.
So you got to get, you know, it's not blaming the coach.
The talent is good.
And you could obviously like, Okay, you know, we're underachieving.
We got we got, you know, like like Phoenix Waas.
Phoenix had talent.
And then but they were They were they were underachieving and they brought in.
They brought in the coach, right? So I think we have the coach e, so I can't.
There's no more complaining.
So now it's all about the talent.
Let's focus on the talent now.
We can't be no more tweets about spread, pick and rolls, right? We need players now, man.
Now we need players.
So how many wins? How many wins.
Did Miami have last year? Uh, because I'm just trying to figure out they're 39.
They had 39 so they were close.
They made the playoffs, then 39? No, there were nine.
There were ninth seat with 39.
Yeah, like, uh, I think Brooklyn was the cigarette.
They had 40 or something.
The great Kenny Atkinson.
Man, I can't believe yesterday, man.
I could You had somebody just hyping about.
So we have a long way.
It wasn't me e mean, so So in the topic of this of this is like so where the trades, what are the trades is going to get us to where you want to be.
What are the players that we can get that's gonna get us down the winning track.
Okay, so So here's Here's the deal.
I think if you if you trade for Russell Westbrook and you aggressively go after Ah, Christian would, um I think that might be enough to at least get us to and that 40 win situation F Tom Thibodeau is the coach that we think he is, right? And so and I might be the only one like pushing aggressively for Christian would like on a on A on A on a multi year deal.
But But I do believe Russell Westbrook and his shot creation not for himself all the time but for others gets us to like 40 wins.
So is that a Is that a five year plan? Or that you're just worried about next year? I'm talking.
I'm well with Russell Westbrook.
If he trade from Russell Westbrook, you got to start the clock immediately.
You know, I'm saying we're talking about like, being creative, you know, adding pieces to Russell Westbrook because you don't know how long he's gonna have elite athleticism.
You know what I'm saying? So you want to start the clock immediately with those guys And then plus, just like I said a few minutes ago, winning should be the most important thing every day.
You know, I'm saying not three years from now, you know what I'm saying.
So when you add guys, you know by like what Chuck D said, and every time, he said, it's absolutely true.
You have to draft correctly.
You have to do this stuff in the draft You know, I'm saying you have to draft the right guys.
You know, it's just one of those things is true.
The first time, he said, I was like, this dude spot on, You know what I'm saying? And every time you say it is like you know, it's even more accurate, Like when he's even though that's impossible.
You know the same fact being more accurate, but it's just a built and almost having like a I hate to say it like a developmental year.
I'm scared of 40 wins this this coming season because of the draft because of the next draft 40.
Well, it sounds like the Knicks are with you because they say their eyes on the to 2021 draft.
Yeah, because 40 wins is, uh, Purgatory.
That Z purgatory.
Yes, E don't know it's purgatory because Miami has been drafting 13 every year.
They made the finals.
You just have to You have to have, like, a legit scouting department, that nor wherever they draft, they could draft somebody good, right? Right.
And so So where did so where did Donovan Mitchell and Michael Porter Jr get drafted? They got drafted in.
What? The early teams? Yeah, I think Porter was 11.
I think Porter Jr was 11 and then e 11 bridges was 11.
Ah, so, yeah, he was, like, 13 or something.
Thought Mitchell was even 14 or 17.
Yeah, it was Porter Jr was thinking.
Hey, they want it.
Uh, you wanna come in? E was never wrong with state.
I was never over state yet.
E really wanted.
I just really wanted I really wanted to rip that dude, man, we're talking about when he was talking crazy e like that.
But he was talking.
He was He wasn't on his game today.
Like he said Garage, it would be too expensive.
Yeah, like we're talking.
He's not, Of course, more than than a He's gonna He's gonna call from less than Russell.
Cost less than vv cost less than yeah, but he's not gonna be the player.
Those guys are not because he's not dramatic.
He's only he's only He's here to give you one or two years and then be be a veteran mentor to Hopefully we draft a young point guard coming.
Here s so now that you clarified your point, I understand where you're coming from.
But But say, for instance, if you get a Russell Westbrook, you're expecting a elite and elite, um M v p caliber point guard. Right.
And that's what you expect because of the money that you're making.
And plus, Russell Westbrook has done it.
Goran Dragic's has not been an elite MVP caliber point guard, and you could get him at significantly less.
He's been borderline all star.
So for the money that that you spend on him, um, I could I could I could see where you're coming from when making that point.
But what vivid saying, if you're looking at getting an elite all star caliber Borland EVP type point guard, Okay, I don't know if it drag edges in that conversation, man.
And Russell's elite all star days are behind them.
They're not in front of them.
So they're not gonna.
So you don't think Russell Westbrook's gonna make the all star team in the East at guard? Yeah.
No, He'll make it.
Yeah, yeah. Hell, yeah.
He's gonna make it.
I mean, he might start, You know, You Yeah.
Hey, hasn't lost anything, is just that jump ship.
Just, uh hey, Didn't have the ball.
Hey, didn't have the borders.
He didn't have the ball in there saying as much as he did.
So what's the deal with us and these guys that can shoot? I don't get it.
What? What's the love affair? So e like John Murray this morning.
We're true New Yorkers, you know, because New York point guards, that's that's their m o.
The access to Marbury.
Marbury, Most New York And I guess, Kim.
But But Kim Kim.
But New York? Yeah, he is about Oh, no.
Oh, you're a so e o problems, right? My my phone services trash, and I'm gonna get on my laptop.
I'm gonna use my laptop.
Ah, he looked like Cliff Rothe.
What's the fascination with these guys that can shoot, man, but Ricky missing my point.
My point was not when he brings as a three point shooter.
My point is he's an elite shotmaker.
For others, he literally create shots for others.
He's averaged 10 assists a game in two seasons was the last time the Knicks had a guy that average 10 assists a game.
Yeah, that's what that's what I'm saying.
And he is in elite shotmaker for others that can't create their own shots.
I mean, even even if we get 35% on six attempts a game from from Westbrook, it still wouldn't be better than him getting tennis this game.
So we're bottom were bottom and shooting, right? Yeah.
Who is he passing to and you bring? You bring Westbrook.
He you think he helps the shooting? I'd rather have CP three.
All right, Thanks.
So? So you would have rather have CP three for the fact that he'll make others around him better? Or do you feel like he's a better distributor? I think they both will do that.
He'll he'll make things easier for everyone else.
But like, uh, CP three could shoot.
Yeah, CP three can shoot.
Yeah, I'll give you.
I'll give it only two years of CP three in the contract.
A Russell Westbrook's, like four years.
That's four years of 40 something million dollars, man.
Three years of Westbrook, right? No.
I'm pretty sure it's four e mean so So for guys that that watch the show generally what I use as a, um, as a resource is spot track to look up players contracts.
So if you want, it is the best one.
Who's hyped to? Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
So, uh, all right, let's go.
He has a contract until 2023.
Yeah, that's three years from, you know.
Yeah, it's crazy.
But But my God, it's still 34 because tragic is coming off 5.
90. Yeah, and he's 34.
He's just gotten injury.
He's not getting that kind of money anymore.
He got he got his big payday, That's what This is the kind of money that is the kind of money that CP three not cpt.
But VVe is gonna get.
He's gonna get Well, man, he's not gonna get a big, big Oh, Frank! Hey, Red Dragon in the chat.
A defendant Frank, yesterday.
Ramo is in the chair.
Hey, salute Dragon.
I know Gamble was gonna come, and I can't believe he said Luca dance, which is not Yeah, he troubling y'all.
Man, That dude, I'm telling you, he's trolling y'all Yeah.
E told you what I told you.
Hey, my ideal of my ideal of with regards to the point guard situation is is way.
Get killing in Hayes.
On day we get Dragic because I think you'll get abuse.
You get a bugle state, I'll defend, not e blocks.
How you gonna defend Frank and then called Rogic ass ass in the same sentence? No, no, no, no, no, no.
I agree with I agree with drug.
I'm with the Dragic Georgia, and Killian Hayes.
There's no guarantee you get Kate Cunningham.
I guys thinking about 2021 when the Knicks are never getting the first pick.
I'm just e mean after desire on tobacco that we would learn our lesson.
Yo, state, you already got a invite, man.
Just click the button What you're doing? You just You just showed up with your phone.
You shut up in your phone and said he's gonna get on the laptop.
But now you're asking funny, Let's let's just suck in tow.
Yamani Bates is a, uh, its draft draft eligible GMO.
Try to see if you could find one fast break that Frank had from coast to coast rebound to go coast to coast find one.
Done it knocks has done it several times his rookie year.
There's one find.
Find him one time out of three years About what you acknowledge that not done it multiple times his rookie year, right? E e o Disrespected my role player.
Yeah, we owe mostly 63 and two is a role player.
So let let let let's let me clear that out the room right now.
Okay? Now, what I'm not going to do is disrespect, Frank, because every championship team has a role player aka Alex Caruso.
That's what you're not gonna dio.
You're not gonna dio what you're not gonna dio is disrespect Bruce Bowen.
What you're not gonna dio is disrespect Derek Fisher.
But you're not gonna dio.
I'm sick of this notion that Frank is trash.
Well, time out. Time out.
Go ahead. Go ahead.
How many of those guys that you just named were actually drafted by those teams? Well, none of them drafted the Oh, that's very true.
But the oh, if you made our point, though, before you, for example, you made our point.
I know what you named a bunch of second rounders.
And, uh, dudes, uh, and you're defending somebody that was drafted eighth.
But I don't care about where you're drafted, because hello or any drafted after after three is a crapshoot.
Because they imagine a bucks picking Johannes and thinking he's gonna be a M v p at 15.
That's a lot of you using right now.
Look, like if you're going by that logic, I use that to not going far M v p, but good.
But we're not talking about 15.
We talk about top 10.
, man, we got way talking Top 10.
But don't place this negative or around Frank, just because his first two seasons Let's ask trade Frank.
It's those two years I wanted to trading, huh? No.
To start season.
He finally learned how to play point guard. Let's be consistent.
E you gotta stop.
How many? How many points are pass it once they across half court.
But you know how many boyfriends through that? He's the only one of them does that, But you gotta understand and fits that office.
What was frank doing every time he came across Half Court game? Okay, you answer question, please.
Yeah, he's still okay.
He's still dio e keyword right there with Fizdale.
A terrible coaches it There was no Kota.
How come? I'm sorry on funny enough.
I think he's trying to find a clue.
But where? Frank Leslie the fast break before doing e just like your friend like that.
But let me let me tell you this I forgot who put on Twitter and Vivek might know it.
The friend literally has the best offensive stats against Luca Donkeys.
We've seen him rookie year.
Be the best offensive player off guard against the pick and roll get told about not yo, bro.
Kevin Knox jumped over a bowl like a cartoon and it rolled under him like Yo, bro! He has the worst awareness I've seen out of any player.
Forget the offense.
Guys, guys get behind on the back door screens The guys confused.
Now the block thing is good.
That's something he could build off of.
But Kevin Knox not wanna kill Frank.
You also be kidding.
Killing Kevin knocks Way e about Knox, though, is that they do not run enough.
All those screens they'll make you wonder how like hey playing Kentucky.
He doesn't e First of all, you cannot call it God's soul.
Who's second on the team and blocks? You can't e black you want with Julius Randle? 1000 minutes more than Kevin Knox blocks.
That is fat Julius Randle played 1000 more.
Minister Kevin, not hey has twice as less blocks, that is.
Yeah, Go right now, Trump, if I'm lying, I'm flying.
If I'm lying, I'm not at a point, e Not at a point.
Last season had more blocks the Jewish Reverend Bobby Portis combined, and you all praise empty stats.
Stop praising empty sacks.
I'm sick of hearing about Jewish man who's 19 and not a e Getty court getting used to put up, like, 20 and 10 or whatever on, like, terrible tinge.
I don't know where E Now look at this, right? Not 55th and blocks.
Who knocks? Mitchell Robinson? Two point.
Oh, God! Zero a **** the total.
Okay, come on. E.
Hey, Chuck! No, no, no.
I e I couldn't find a Frank Miller.
You got exact research options as well to man? Yes.
Can I say something? E should look at block rate as opposed to just blocks, because Knox didn't play a lot of minutes.
But E Block is overrated.
Go look at his field goal percentage versus the average field goal percentage, right? Look at that comparison and his film.
That's not not my saving grace with Knox.
And my only defense of knots is that he started playing basketball late so you could tell the way he plays.
The one thing I will give him credit for is that I don't know if you guys notice it, but I see the Tribbles with things.
And, um lastly, he was I not this past season then I like knocks the year before because the year before Fizdale just give me, uh, a bully.
And, uh, I saw some.
Actually, he actually was passing the ball on getting assists and clay making check out the O E O Between your for a lottery picks.
RJ, Mitch, please roll together.
They won't forget the vets.
Let's forget the vets from one time.
Let's forget the best straight.
Our draft picks.
They lost wealth.
They, uh, well, together, that is no, because there was a lot of games, Nick kids.
So the kids wasn't double digits both games against the 70 sisters.
So the next one is losing.
I need context when we speak right.
We watched every game. Gamow.
Alright, give Oh, wait.
Watching the game when Nick Kids was up plus 15 Philadelphia.
And then when the best game in that game, the best lost that lead.
And by the time the kids getting back in the game, who was down 20? That's not back.
I don't remember exactly which game was by.
Do you remember when the Philadelphia game that Not where random looked off our Jay in the corner? I don't think it is that when I think is the one they played at home.
Right where we're up way.
30 e don't care about Taj.
I don't care about Taj.
I don't care about nobody.
That's not in the future.
I don't care about none of the E 30 and 62 games.
Knox had 2028 65 games.
How many more minutes The Taj play the Knox? Now you want minutes, but a block blocks that blocks that a the blocks that itself about proper context is not is not the right thing to look at because we don't know if he's a week first of all blocks.
I wanna say that as, like Glenn like they say glamour.
But I want to see what are your What is your percentage? This is why I use with knots and it did slightly.
But it's still Ah, positive French, which is not good.
What is? What is the average players field goal percentage and what is their field goal percentage when they're playing you and its paws? ITT's higher when Knox's claim them versus their normal average, which is not good.
So zip back door slot back, you two guys beating, knocked to the basket makes that stupid file where, literally making the layup and not so hit him.
And he's like, Oh, it's like, yes, tell me you're not a well, he's flat footed.
So he has a hey has terrible anticipation.
If you're not, if you're not like like the thing about guys like Shane Battier, guys like Bruce Bowen, you're right.
They don't have necessary the greatest athleticism or twitch, but it's all about anticipation.
in time and right.
It's all about getting myself in the proper position to defend a certain place if I have a guy right there in a corner.
I don't like to make backdoor cuts.
The baseline of my friend.
I am not letting him get that baseline.
I'm gonna color his baseline.
That's always cut in front of me, not see some little new one that's not coaching as well.
Like the Coast's e right? It's like this certain basic things, like Jewish random, not being able to pass out the double team like you don't need Pat Riley to come down and tell you Hey way when they're coming way, it's the same way they're not going to run the basketball, but they're not going to run the same stuff way.
We're tired with center.
Say it again for you.
You're comparing times Who's the starting center to a winning just e comparing ties that Z e care about the blocks? Wait, hold on.
Here's the significant of the blocks.
It's the improvement compared to thank you compared to the previous year where he was assisted this past year.
This past year, that's that's an improvement.
The fact that he was blocking shots and knocks his future is not Bruce Bowen's or or any one of these great defensive players.
Okay, so here's offense is gonna have to outweighs defense because he's not a great defender, so we know that.
So can I ask you a question that Rick War? Can I ask you a question that right? So this goes back to Frank now, right? So Frank me and say New York believe And this is why I think Frank has pension because I think he's gotten terrible coaching right now.
You just said he's gonna have to work on his scoring, right? Knox is not an Isil score when he drives to the basket. Very linear.
He doesn't have a go Thio have a game.
He doesn't have a little elbow jumping.
One of that can't.
We did not get the proper coach because you can't even with Frank.
This is why I'm not like when he's crazy guys on Frank.
I love Frank, but I've always said Frank has to marry his game to the end game for Knox.
If he can't, they do not run similar things that Kentucky, where he's a primary target, right? He's being used to move off the ball and they look all right. Get him around the screen.
Given the Aziz moving that don't do that.
What does not have to do? What, what, what areas of his game you see now when you say All right, I could see him with a postgame or I could see him developing the yourself.
What is? Because I don't see it.
Nothing has the floater a little bit.
It's very linear.
There's no it zero e like he's playmaker dependent.
He's going to need Somebody keeps watching UH, E improvements this past year at the point guard play, but I don't see it at N ba point guard level, even MBA backup point guard level.
So to me, Frank his role his as his a secondary secondary playmaker.
I don't want him as a backup point guard or as a starting point guard.
He could play those positions, but you would have to have a team stacked with offensive with With Players are very proficient offensively because it's gonna facilitate and get people a lot of a lot of good look But But here's the thing about it, and this is this is the thing.
It sucks because it's going to depend on coaching, right? So I remember Franks.
I want to say his first year, right? I saw glimpses of a post game like he literally back down guys and a part of paint and shoot the foothold on them and shoot the little the little turnaround.
Whatever you call it.
No, but I'm not saying that again.
What? I'm trying to say that these coaches This is why guys like you know, Spoelstra.
I don't He may feel away, but that's why I like guys like it because they take a guy like Jimmy Butler who up his assist game.
And I know cysts aren't the only indicator of good facilitation.
But it is one of the indicators, right? He up his assistant six about six assists this year, right? And you see him operate a lot from the post.
Right? Is the same thing LeBron James did.
Loss to the Mavericks came back next year, went to lodge, want do that stuff. He tor.
Okay, see a new ******* by operating in the post.
It's all about is that.
Let's think about getting a e o.
Hey, why don't you get him against these smaller guys like timber who happens? Basically almost found him.
And if they want to double team Frank, if you started to score in the paint and paint against smaller guards, then he could pass out, which he can dio just do.
That bank was a contract.
He won't scoring.
He won't score in the post for smaller guards.
He has no moves for one for two.
He's not backing nobody down.
He's right in the pocket.
E hold up like he need to be placed in the post.
He's not getting their off the dribble.
You know why he got to the post a lot when he was with Jeff on a sack? Because he ran the triangle.
And so he, like, put it like this e people a lot of people don't even notice.
But, RJ, there is Top Provident League in points in the post per possession.
Like so every time our back post a guarantee point.
You know why we owe you know why you don't see it? Because Randall Big Damasio paint you can't crj operate.
This is fine, right? Because when you sign when you sign for 19 million right thing, this is why disrespect Randall a lot.
We signed you to make us be better.
We didn't sign you to make us look worse.
We didn't sign any for that, but a random, random position in the post.
I actually don't mind me.
Oh, no effort, No, a e a lithe beast.
Randall, I don't know what it is, but random randomly.
So when I saw when I saw the pelican even after 80 went down, down random was more of ah, more of a willing facilitator with that.
Okay, See, with the pelicans, even after 80 went down, he comes to the Knicks.
Who you could argue that at the same time, whatever I know Drew holidays on pelicans.
He's way better anybody on our team.
But for some reason, Jewish Randall.
He couldn't pass out the double team, which it amazes me. I'm like dogs.
You literally see, I've seen juice Randall, see the double team coming? He did a spin move into the baseline, drunken and try Tokyo.
That's not like a 20 year, bro.
This is the thing about it is not like a truck, because if I see a double team coming and a guy I've seen times, guys, they're cutting into the lane, you make that pass.
If I see the double team coming, you make that the participation past because that's it.
That's easy not to say.
Look, I'm not saying you can't miss slaves and stuff.
That's the highest.
That's the higher field goal percentage getting a shot.
Getting New Orleans.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
So I'll admit when I when I was doing when I was looking at all the little veils was watching of, uh, the Pelicans games.
I didn't really pick that up of him doing a bad job of passing out the double team.
But, I mean, that goes to my point, like I don't know what a lot of guys, a lot of guys, a lot of guys the first time or the first season that they're put in a position where, where there, the guy that's getting doubled, it takes them a while to to know how to pass out of the double.
This guy's that struggle.
That these guys have struggled passing out.
First of all, I don't want Randall.
Let me make it clear.
I don't want Randall on the team, So don't even a basketball player or a basketball player.
I have a problem with him on this team.
I have a problem with him being a number one option. That's whatever.
Yeah, determined by the But that's determined by the quality of players you're playing with a lot of time.
You know, you put random on another team.
He's not gonna be the number one.
I'll say this, sir, I'll say this, sir, and I always go back to this.
Chris Webber went to that King see understanding.
So I'm not saying Randall's Chris Webber.
Don't ever Chris Webber went to that Kim's team.
That was Garba Geo to the fullest, and he lifted them with unselfish played.
He played in a post perimeter and also his passing.
He was way what you just said, the quality of players.
Now, if you look at that Kings team now, you know, obviously you had players that we've grown to grow.
That guy was good, right? Like Bobby Jackson e can t garbage before we e don't like.
I don't hate Grandma.
I don't like it when we're when we're having these discussions and people pull examples from like, 2030 years ago.
The game is completely different.
I'm sorry, Uh, only part of trying to make is that you can have a guy and I'm not saying random is that necessarily? But even your sacrifice on the offensive end, right and also think about random defensively was terrible.
He's not obey topping.
But he was inconsistent at best.
His best game, I think, was like that Rockets game where we won that game.
That was the best offensive game.
I see him play for the next 10 years.
If he gave more of an effort right, I think Randall is that he's he's too muscle bound, right? So a lot of that energy.
He expends a lot of energy offensively.
He doesn't have any energy, doesn't have any standard, doesn't have any endurance, right? You saw that he did that, weightlifting from whatever.
If you wanna be a body builder and an MBA, we have to run up the floor.
He didn't Republicans to where he's heaving up the floor.
He's not getting back on like he's.
He has too much weight on him.
So even defensively he's inconsistent because he just doesn't have his body is not conditioned.
Thio Only My only thing.
It was ran. He's the best we had.
And then, you know, he wasn't He wasn't the only problem.
He was part of the problem.
There was multiple problems with this team.
So and I hate when we just pick one guy and try to stay on that.
The coaching, the front office.
I mean, we've probably had some of the worst front office, uh, maker and literally think that was not a coach because I literally watched every game like what was not was the last coach of the New York Knicks.
Like, No, no, no, no.
Just tell me who The last coach of the New York Knicks.
You know what? Why? Everybody act like he never existed. He could. $44.
Can we stop talking about this deal with 22 games? Might never 40 40.
, if you're gonna bring up, if you're gonna bring up the offense and total we gotta pick on somebody.
So we gotta pick on his that e.
Let's talk about some constructive.
So let's let's get past this part.
I want to get to the real conversation, right? What is it? What it thinks Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook topic.
It's a good subject because, like, three months ago, I was telling everybody a It just occurred to me.
Oh, you want You know, it depends because O K C c o K.
C asking for young players and first round picks.
I'm not doing that at all.
If they ask for with in context.
I'm not trading Frank Knox in the first round pick.
I'm not trading none of that for Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook.
Like you can't have that if you trade for Christmas or Russell Westbrook.
The reason why you trained for one of those two is to make those guys What are you gonna give up, huh? What do you remove? Get on the Dallas 2023 pick, you give up the S. J.
And that's where you get to go.
Like I read the article where say tips.
Basically saying that Tibbs, RJ and Mitch is off limits.
And then Tim's got a soft spot for Frank, supposedly because we know he's always a trade talk.
They didn't mention nothing about.
Not so I'm not Cool knocks but Chris Paul or Rust with R. J.
Knox, Mitch Frank and use the rest of the cat on Shorter's.
I don't see how that's a bad team.
I don't get the oh, you say the word toe watch.
You didn't think watch to get back just to watch.
But will they win? Let me make it more simple.
I think any point guard is better than Alfred Peyton.
So let's let's start there.
I've had to watch any other point guard without offense than Alfred Peyton.
I don't care who the point guard is.
So Alfred Payne's best friend, Randal, by the way he had way.
Three could help Frank at Knox, but not D s.
Oh, no, no, Point guard.
I'm gonna repeat this.
No e no point guard that's ever played in the MBA that has played over 20,000 minutes, and that's about 35 years old.
Has been eso every point guard that very next season declines.
So my fear about Chris Paul is we get him in the in terms of the Toney Douglas.
Russell West talk because, Well, Ross, I think like my next team to take on his mentality.
E don't stay in New York.
You know, you might do stay in New York.
You might be Oh, my God, I've been, you know, come on.
So what we owe this e exchanging of the jersey exchanging of the jerseys is shaking of the hands after getting your ass with 20 movie trying to extend the jersey with weight after losing my 30.
I'm sick of the bottom puts on the floor.
I'm sick of this ****, I said, I'm sitting a lot of Chris Poll.
What? Loathe? What is what is it? What a unity.
Oh, if I wanted our Barretto have any persons mentality in the lead, I wanted Russell Westbrook mentality o r j Back.
Barrett, to me, is a self.
He's a self sufficient dude like you see Hey, you happy giving the battery? He already comes from that line of well, his father first and foremost and Steve Now he comes.
He already has a pedigree.
Russell Westbrook is a type of dude that he'll come to the Knicks and he'll pull that.
Okay, see? Hey, stuff my status.
I'll get a triple double.
And when we get to the playoffs, I'm trying to dip it off to you.
Westbrook Westbrook is holed up.
You just mentioned about players in over 35.
Right? I think it's fall right just real quick, Right? Chris? Paul is off that Andre Miller mindset.
Like these point guards who they are trying, and Chris Paul's away better scoring Andre Miller.
Well, he's the last of a dying breed where they get guys easy possessions, right? So you're talking about all the wise on our team who can create their own shots.
They can't really do much offensively.
They're not that town offensively.
Chris Paul will get those guys in position.
So he is a coach on the floor now.
His body is breaking down. He is getting older.
Maybe get him as a stop gap for the last few years on his contract.
I take him or and you can because you can have Chris Paul here, and you could draft a guy who may not be a top guard who could develop into that say, like a Karen Lewis.
You may not like Carol Lewis, but there's a guy who has certain chapters.
Like if he develops like this, his film could be this right? Chris Paul is the type of guy I think FDA would not would not be in the same trajectory that we all think he will be.
Be be Oh, he's on a black girl e over Westbrook.
Westbrook is a I'm sorry.
I was the Westbrook fan for years.
It hurt me to be like, Yo, this dude is Deng.
Isaac is one of the more.
He still wanted explosive players I've ever seen, but that's all.
He predicates his game off explosiveness.
He does not know the game on a higher level.
Besides, let me just drive to the basket.
If the defense collapse on me and I can't make the shot, let me dip it all.
You know how many times you show against in the rocketeers, right? He literally had This was for you.
We could hit that shot off the backboard right from the from their baseline, right? He literally had on on his wheels like 80 was off of him.
E defend Westbrook for a second.
You said that he's the guy that's gonna put his stat.
And then when we make the playoffs, So you already conceding that he's gonna lead us to the playoffs? E never said, What's that? That I'm saying Compassionate CP three as well, too.
Okay, let me finish my point.
With regards to CP three, I prefer TP three over Westbrook, a well for contract reason.
And I think CP three that's a better point guard and will make players there.
But you said that secretly makes that other players better.
Westbrook does the same thing, but in a different way.
The fact that he pushed the pace, that creates a lot of easy, easier transitional opportunities for guys that that are not very good in the half court.
And get these buckets that way.
So you mean like guys like Depot? Oh, crap.
No can use him way.
My God, doing this All these planes that Westbrook makes better.
And they all left him and did way better.
Another team, right? We all We all agree that finish, let's finish it is important.
Oh, really Low is important, right? Chuck, your mike is really look is low.
You kinda gotta move closer.
So I'm sure you kind of love.
What about now? Alright.
All agree that drafting is important, right? One of the keys to building? Yeah.
So wait, I'm yelling a beloved.
So we should agree that this trim your mike up, man.
U E B u I think he's fine now, but it might. It might be.
Freeze! Put some clothes on.
E guns, man. That's tax.
Our Jim Duggan over there, man.
Yeah, yeah, I got carnival.
All right, So So? So we should be able to agree that reason the the recent collapse is due Toa frank.
It all starts with Frank.
You already agreed with me.
Drafting is important.
People is a good pick.
Right after that, Frank.
Uh, it started to go downhill.
Now you take Frank now you don't now, you think you don't need a point guard, right? Because what? God, you take knots instead of s G J you Alex, you.
Um it's a domino effect.
Uh, once you draft bad, you up until you fix that problem.
No, that's called.
That's called one doesn't know what they're doing, because you know why? Even though if you see a guy that you drive, you can always say, Look, we're going to this draft s She is a way, way, way better process what we have.
You know what? Your point is proven wrong because you wouldn't You wouldn't bring so many creation point guards to the team.
So that means that they knew that Frank wasn't the answer in their eyes.
But they went into that breath again.
They got convinced by a workout by knots.
Work out whatever should never sway you.
There's only maybe emboldened what you think about.
Okay, uh, that year instead of instead of knocks Yeah, you pick a so young Michael Porter Jr E.
Everybody saying Michael Porter junio, this dude literally had he could not even go to the oh, he couldn't go to the workouts because he had debilitating that bad issue.
So stop a luxury pick.
The Nuggets were good.
There is a luxury pick now. He looks good.
Oh, ****. But, no, he was not grow.
Oh, might not play a game, It bro.
You have debilitating, probably genetic back injuries.
You never know when it could go.
His old families jacked up, has had, like, 100 surgeries, and his brother can't even make the league because he's all jacked up.
So that Z s finish your draft point.
Thank you. Thank you.
I'm trying todo real quick before you finished.
Now, when they drafted Frank, mind you, fish.
That was the first time head coach they didn't draft. Frank.
Phil Jackson drafted Frank Frank and got fired the next day.
And then on top of that, Frank was drafted for the triangle.
So let's let's keep that in mind.
But also, one more caveat.
Fish that had the smallest developmental staff way.
All right. Bye for work. I'm sorry.
That check that check.
Fizdale is not the first time head coach.
Oh, sorry. Sorry.
You was so hey, wasn't me with questions.
****, He was so horrible.
It felt like it.
God, just just just just to show you it's a domino effect.
Instead of Frank, they took Kuzma.
You wouldn't have.
You wouldn't have been looking at.
That's the same draft.
You wouldn't have been looking at Knox that next year Knox had a better work.
Rather, Noxon Koosman.
It's a different draft. Different draft.
I get your point, E s.
So your point so, so quick.
Your point is that we don't draft Frank than we would have never drafted knocks.
So that's dominance.
All right, all right.
E o back, I need Hey.
Said he had some doubts about Killian Hayes.
I wanna have my chili in his discussion with Yeah, it's funny you, Kelly Hayes trained for months.
For years, you I'm scared about what? Kelly and hes, right, It's not me and your opinion I'm scared about.
It's the blog's the media the way it's gonna be like, you know how we picked Frank, bro.
He Frank from France and blah, blah, blah.
You know how people who's gonna take that killing Hayes pick That's the That's all the reason why I think like the Knicks is not gonna take killing Jesus killing E.
So let me hear him.
They what? You wanna hear work? You break your prose.
He said you had doubts about Kelly and Hayes, and he wanted to arm hear him.
Who has doubts? Hey, actually, you had e I was going to be positive on him.
Actually, I think there's certain things like I mean, one thing is that he depends a lot on that pick and roll.
Um, so you need the offense is gonna use that a lot with him, but I think I forgot what I read this.
I think he had, like, a pretty good percentage on, like he likes the step back jumper.
You know, he actually get better.
That his jump shot.
Overall, I think it's not 37% from three.
I might be e number three shot.
He shot 29% from 3.
30 e Think that back might be thinking Carol, it was my bad shot.
35 shot, 30 shots, 39% from three in the euro cup.
It was a it was a 10 game tournament at the end, so he got hot at the end of the season and shot 39.
The weird thing about him is that he shoots the three off the dribble at a very high cliff.
He shoots it almost like 42%.
But catch and shoot, it's horrible.
So most young players, it's the opposite.
Most young players is easier for them to shoot.
Thio, shoot off the dribble, eso off the dribble, shooting on.
If you factor the fact that it's almost like a 90% free throw shooter.
I'm not concerned about the catch and shoot.
And then he didn't have a lot of catch and shoot opportunities because the ball was in his hand, predominantly.
So, So being is very promising.
Anybody that could shoot at 18 47% off the dribble? Yeah, he shot 42.
42% off the three point shots off the dribble.
Yeah, who Thank you