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good thing it's with you.
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And with that, we welcome you back to SportsCastr news, talking MBA with myself at arm wrecked and my partner in crime, let's let's let's call it what it is.
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Matt Brooks with Niles Man food.
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It's, uh we talked about this a little bit last time.
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I've been saying it to a lot of people like N b A.
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Now is over for the season, and I was just waiting and wondering like, What's gonna How exciting is it gonna get? How quickly am I gonna pivot over to this other beast? That is who's going where and what's going with her and it's are dialing up.
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So it turns out it have anything to worry about.
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We're gonna be able to start really speculating and trying to dissect how the NBA's gonna look next year.
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Ah, lot quicker than I realized in spite of the fact that the NBA's gonna try to give these things players a little bit of time off and we're still not entirely sure when that next season's gonna start, right? Yeah.
00:00:53
No, I, uh it seems like we heard one report about MLK day and then, like shortly after Brian Wynne horse said something about like being in March, so it kind of feels like we're basically where we were in the middle of the bubble when when dates were getting leaked.
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So I don't know.
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I don't know when it's coming back.
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I because I'm eager and I can't even resist the temptation.
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I've already started doing free agency stuff.
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Went through 280 free agents yesterday.
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I was looking at the Yeah, I don't even know the Aaron graze of the world by the very end, the guys that were on contract for about $100,000 and I was like, Gosh, this is sad.
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What am I doing with my day on? Then it came toe looking up.
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DeAndre Bembry raise or DeAndre Ben Breeze Rapture rating.
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And that's what I also really new.
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I need to find a book or something like that, because this is not good for me to be doing.
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Eso I followed that up by looking at Dzhokhar Sampson's frequently a field goal percentage of than 3 ft or shorter.
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Yeah, no, I just were in it, man, and I can't resist it.
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I now know the free agency class.
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I'm feeling really, really good about that, you know? So before I I have excited a couple of touch points here, some things that we talked about last time on Tuesday before we do, though, I will say so in that vein of because I've been doing some NFL content where we're talking about NFL P A and and how are they handling things in terms of positive tests and making sure that you're managing expectations for the players and ownership and all those things.
00:02:22
So it's a tip of the hat to the MBA to say maybe we are going to start again in March.
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We don't know.
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I'm assuming there is again a very collaborative process with the players to do it in a way that they feel comfortable with it.
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And one of the footnotes coming out of the bubble is obviously, we know players were being very proactive and talking about social movement, talking about the importance of voting.
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So I just thought, reminding the people of the stat line that coming into it last election, only 23% of the MBA players were registered to vote.
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That number is now about 97%.
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So, you know, power through actions.
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The MBA players have made that choice.
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They're being vocal about it, and they're also following it up by by doing the thing that can lead by example.
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So I just think that's a really great thing to mention everybody.
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As we are a month away from election, it's important to make your voice heard.
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Whatever your opinions are on, things do follow the everything.
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Almost everyone is registered to vote.
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So please go out and do that.
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If you are so vote in person if possible, vote in person if possible, it zits.
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The best way to make sure your ballot is in It looks it's just you want it to be counted.
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Okay, So let Z all I'm gonna leave it at that.
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So let's that would be my recommendation.
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Ah, lot of different.
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If you're in a city with an MBA team, a lot of teams air now opening their like, for example, I'm gonna go vote at the Barclays Center.
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I'm probably gonna waiting like an eight hour line. Fine.
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Whatever.
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I'm gonna I will you know, maybe I'll see people from 6 ft or further that I haven't seen in in what a year.
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I mean, eso it's there are.
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There are ways to do it and you know it be proactive at this point.
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For the most part, I think you've probably Mr Registration Date.
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But But, yeah, go out their vote, make yourself heard.
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It's important to do that for sure.
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Be a part of the process, that's all.
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I guess all I can leave you with, do whatever it takes to be a part of it.
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So on the MBA side of things, you and I talked about the Lakers and some of these guys around there in the two days since we spoke, Rajon Rondo opted out of that contract with the Lakers that had, um, slated to make $2.
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6 million.
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You already have former Pelicans teammates trying to lobby for him to come back to the pelicans.
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Justice in general.
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Do you think there's gonna be a pretty decent market? Is this more just about him resetting his salary with the Lakers to rejoin that team? Do you expect anyone else to really get involved here, or is it just best suited? Hey, come on back, Let's run this thing back.
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Great segue.
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Um I love when I can plug something that I did eso I on my on my channel, which you confined Backslash Matt Brooks.
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I had Alex regular on who's a reporter for the Lakers.
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We talked a lot about Rondo.
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I came into this.
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I I like basically when I was kind of talking through some of their free agents, I breathed white right by Toronto because I just sort of figured he'd come back.
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You know, he's close with aides close to LeBron, makes sense on that team.
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And, uh, he was a little dubious about Mr Rajon Rondo returning.
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Um, and one of the things we talked about is they have this full M l E, which is the mid level exception it's most teams are working with that there's about 5 to 7 teams with cap space, depending upon what they do and who comes back.
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And you know anything along those lines on day one of those teams, like, for example, the pelicans pelicans are gonna bring back threatening.
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There goes your cap space.
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So, um so basically, you have this Lakers team.
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They have this full mid, the full midlevel extension, which is going to be exception, which is gonna be like 9.
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5 to 10 million.
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He was sort of saying they might even split that up rather than splurge that on one player on Bring back Rondo.
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If they don't do that and say somebody like I don't know, Danilo Gallinari comes knocking and says, Hey, I'm gonna take a little bit of less money because that report came out this week that he was really looking to be on a winner.
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Then maybe a Rondo does go somewhere, and they look for different options at the point guard position, which I wasn't prepared for.
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But he seemed kind of open to it.
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I just thought Rondo was like, really integral to like what they did.
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But if he moves, I'd love to talk about like I mean, let's just do it right now like, who do you think he could go to? Where does he make sense? Well, we mentioned the listen, we're next guy.
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So I mentioned in that way, like I think that there's tremendous value toe pairing him in that type of role, bring a little bit of toughness a little bit of, as we said, a little bit of a screw loose as a positive compliment kind of way in his game.
00:06:52
Um, you know? Well, interestingly enough, you think about other teams, especially out West, that could use a veteran presence.
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So some of these young teams that didn't quite get over the hump out there in the Western Conference I don't know.
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If you put the Clippers, I'm gonna throw this right now.
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Well, you know what? So that's the one that because we said about Kawhi Leonard and being really suited well, with Kyle Lowry in Toronto because Kyle Lowry is a vocal guy, he's the face of that organization.
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So you get to let him do all the outfront work and talking for you, and then you just get to be who you are.
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Kawhi Leonard like, I don't think that Paul George is particularly vocal guy either.
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So if you think about that idea and I actually just a leading to something else, as often happens with us.
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But if you think about the idea of bringing in a guy that could be that vocal punch for you, take control from point guard, position, perspective and allow PG and E. Coli to play off the ball.
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That's a really nice match, so I could see that working for you.
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Um, the other interesting one that some people throughout in terms of veteran presence for, uh, the Clippers.
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Then we can still touch back on Rondo and other places.
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Think you could land? What was the idea of a of A re union in Clipper Land with Chris Paul? Oh, that was weird.
00:08:06
I like it, but it's weird.
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It's like it's that is like, That's a If they make that move, I think they have the indication that they have no idea.
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If Co y and Paul Georgia back like if they did that, I would be like, Okay, they're they're in full panic mode.
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I mean, everything they're doing kind of suggests that they have no idea, because they fired their coach without a replacement.
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And they have, you know, they I mean, that's just like a panic move on.
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That one right there, is there? Is there any chance that you like? So, in terms of this organization being in panic mode, is there any chance that things really fall apart from them? There from a PG and Kawhi Leonard standpoint like, Is there any world where they stripped this thing down after one year and kind of feeling like, maybe we maybe we miss read what this was going to look like? Honestly, I I don't think that Paul George is 1000% untradable.
00:09:06
I think you can read that situation and look at those two and say, This isn't exactly the fit that we thought it would be and I wouldn't I would be surprised if he was moved, but I wouldn't fall out of my chair. Surprise.
00:09:21
How quickly and Lou Williams, like a Lou Williams, has got to go like trees.
00:09:25
Harold, let him walk.
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Bring back to Michael Green.
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I think Michael Green has a player option, so he might pick that up anyways.
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Let him go.
00:09:32
Blue Williams.
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Definitely move him, because that's just somebody like dude, when when they have like, when it's end of game situations and how high has the ball on? Lou Williams is at the top of the key and he's calling for the ball.
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It's like, Okay, well, something might not be right here, buddy.
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Buddy, Buddy, Buddy, Buddy, buddy s so maybe maybe some of the supporting cast need to switch out.
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How do you think that? Because everything was predicated around like Wilander.
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Want to come back to L.
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A. Quiet. Leonard wanted to have Paul.
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George. They're like, this is part of the package.
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Do you think that a relationship like that can deteriorate that quickly? I mean, you look like the rockets and say the reunion of Westbrook and Harden, and they seem to now that may fall apart for different reasons beyond the control.
00:10:14
But they seem to be married to their own pairing.
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Right? Right, right. Wrong. Indifferent.
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They were like, Hey, this is what we're doing as friends that see ourselves playing together.
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Do you think that CO y let's say Kawhi Leonard could read this situation.
00:10:28
Say Okay, listen, I love you, PG But this actually isn't what we thought it was going to be.
00:10:34
And we may need to quickly switch here, because if you're quite Leonard, you can't. I know.
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I know you've won two places.
00:10:39
I know that you probably feel comfortable, but I don't think Kawhi Leonard is yet at the point where he goes.
00:10:44
I could just ride this thing out in L.
00:10:46
A and not necessarily worry about championship competition, you know, the thing I would do with them is is look at kind of how they got there again.
00:10:54
It's this figuring it out on the fly thing that they've done for this last year.
00:10:57
So they get rid of the coach.
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No coach in place there.
00:11:01
They interviewed a couple assistance.
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You know they've They've definitely talked with Tyler, who, though he's been with the organization the whole year.
00:11:08
Um, it's it's kind of It's been a full year of this, you know? Kawai is rumored to have some interest.
00:11:16
It's clear he always had his eyes set on building his own thing in as a Clipper, which we'll see if that was the right decision I would lean towards No, right now.
00:11:25
I would have stayed in Toronto if I were him, Um, and he basically goes through his phone book and and says, I'm going to try to find my co star.
00:11:38
You know he's fielding text to Kevin Durant, which caught Durant by surprise.
00:11:43
He's hitting up Jimmy Butler and then he settles on Paul George.
00:11:46
So as much as I wanna be like, Okay? These guys, like, chose each other.
00:11:50
It's like, Yeah, but like so I kind of surveyed the landscape like it wasn't like they were this, like, union that came together like a use a camp or something like that.
00:12:01
Like what is a weird like LeBron James, Dwyane Wade.
00:12:05
Chris Bosh. Listen, we're doing this.
00:12:07
We're gonna pick which city we go, Thio.
00:12:09
But we're doing really wanna be together.
00:12:11
Yeah, or like Kyrie and K D and D J like I don't know if that bond is there.
00:12:15
So like, if if that's kind of how these guys came together and they're not, like, close, close like that, um, like, what's really stopping them from being like, Hey, Washington, what's going on with Bradley Beal? Because we'll just give you Paul George straight up.
00:12:28
And I don't know if Washington would play ball on that. Probably not.
00:12:32
But you know, like just what's really stopping them from kind of canvassing the league and seeing what's out there or, like, Philly be like, Hey, Philly, um, how's Paul Georgetown for? I don't know Ben Simmons or somebody like that.
00:12:44
I don't know if that would work, but something weird like that.
00:12:46
I'd always testing.
00:12:47
The water is really anywhere.
00:12:49
We're open.
00:12:50
What's what's to stop the kuai Leonard from putting out signals that he'd like to play with Kevin Durant? Kyrie Irving in Brooklyn? Let Zoi.
00:13:01
Well, um, listen, I I think the point is that, like, it's like Kawhi Leonard is entrenched there.
00:13:06
It's going to be his team, and now it's about is the Paul George experiments already? One and done over.
00:13:11
There was some things to, um, some people have brought up the idea that Paul George was dealing with his shoulder injury, that maybe health maybe played a little bit more of a factor just in terms of his production during the bubble and in the playoffs.
00:13:23
And maybe that is something that we don't know behind the scenes in terms of where they really were health wise as they work through this, so that could be a factor.
00:13:32
But again, it still goes back to the top because removing removing rivers from the equation.
00:13:37
That's that's the hope.
00:13:39
OK, you thought that that was all part of what you were putting together there so that immediately immediately sends up a red flag But let's briefly get back onto Rondo here for a second.
00:13:48
I was starting to think about other Western Conference young teams that you might want to pair him alongside.
00:13:53
Are there any Are there anyone anyone there that you maybe look at and say, Oh, you could land nicely? Uh, I'm saying Young teams, Dallas Mavericks, You know, you know, Is that a nice spot? Where you go? One of the things that even though Luca is big and even though he can operate with the ball in his hand, wouldn't you rather maybe have someone else? E because imagine Luca off ball right on more on more possessions on a larger percentage of possessions? How much would that open things up for the rest of that unit? So can you see any potential for a landing spot like that? Alex is really good.
00:14:27
I like that recommendation a lot.
00:14:29
I Yeah, that's a That's a really nice fit for them, Um, and because they need us, they just need another ball handler.
00:14:36
And like you look at the market of point guards.
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It's it's not great, like it's it's really not very good you like.
00:14:43
It's weird.
00:14:44
You look at like Reggie Jackson.
00:14:45
You're like, Is that really one of the better? It's like the moody is of the world that the what the like D.
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J.
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Augustine is like None of these guys air these air like third guards like it's weird.
00:14:57
Like Jordan, Clarkson is one of the better point guards in this market, and he's a weird player, like he's a scoring guard.
00:15:03
That doesn't really do much else for you.
00:15:05
He's really good at scoring.
00:15:06
So he actually makes a lot of sense again on this Lakers broadcast. I did.
00:15:10
We kind of talked a little bit.
00:15:12
I don't know if we did this on air, but we definitely talked after more about Clarkson making sense for the Lakers like he's only gonna fit on a couple of different teams.
00:15:20
But yeah, for like a Dallas team that I think wants to bring in another ball handler, Rondo makes a ton of sense like a ton of sense.
00:15:27
Do do him in Carlisle really wanna be together again after their unceremonious fall out? I'll put it that way.
00:15:37
Probably not, but you never know.
00:15:40
You know what's interesting, too, because even with the Lakers, we talked about Dwight Howard, right? And how well he functioned this year on that team with those stars.
00:15:48
Listen, I'm not gonna label Rajon Rondo in that same way because I think he had a ton of production and you know, the specific situations, Carlisle, where they just butted heads and it wasn't gonna work out, But I wouldn't.
00:16:00
It really depends on who the other players are in a given team, right? So say even Dallas Rondo has to come into that understanding.
00:16:07
The expectation isn't for you, Thio.
00:16:09
Take over a leadership role.
00:16:11
You're almost supposed to be that support player, slash mentor for for Luca, right? Like so Be in his ear, be helping him.
00:16:21
But never get to the place where you're almost dominating from a hey who is the lead dog on this team.
00:16:27
And that is a delicate balance to strike.
00:16:29
So I do think some teams are probably going to examine both sides of that in terms off the positives and leased from a low level drawbacks of bringing in a Rondo and his personality. His mentality.
00:16:40
We talked about Jimmy Butler, right? If you're gonna have that mentality on your team, it has to mesh well with who you have there also different stage of his career. Rondo.
00:16:48
Like when Rondo came there.
00:16:49
That's coming off Boston, where he is the man.
00:16:51
Even in that last year when he was kind of he just looked injury like he was coming off an injury.
00:16:56
Um, you know, he he still had the pedigree of being Rondo.
00:17:01
Like every single, every good.
00:17:02
It was like when Derrick Rose first came back from injury.
00:17:05
Everybody would just, you know, every good game he has is like, Oh, my God, Derrick Rose's back.
00:17:08
It was like a little bit that, but to a lower degree in Boston, um, so for him, like he still got that pedigree of being a guy.
00:17:17
That was really the man there for a couple of years, so I mean, yeah, it's a tricky It's funny, actually, Boston makes kind of a lot of sense for him.
00:17:26
It Brad Wanamaker, I believe, is a free agent this year.
00:17:29
He's 31 kind of know what you got.
00:17:31
I mean, I would assume they probably work out a deal with him.
00:17:33
I think they like him quite a bit, which I think is fine.
00:17:37
But, you know, you look at how they were unable to break this zone really until the end.
00:17:42
And a lot of that's gonna be linear improvement with Jalen and Jason.
00:17:46
But you put him on there and like, that's just a different counter for them.
00:17:50
They bring him in, they bring a big in.
00:17:51
And that's a different team.
00:17:53
Um, they're they're interesting, so they make a little bit of sense with him.
00:17:58
Let's Ah, pivot completely hard, right? Alright, Thio to a team that everyone is clamoring to hear about and that's the Cleveland Cavaliers as well.
00:18:07
Eso people what the people want.
00:18:11
But I talked about Matthew DellaVedova.
00:18:13
Let's do it Obama s o the other day when we talked about building a Lakers beater.
00:18:18
This isn't what I'm saying about Cleveland, but we always said about, like, bigger bodies, right? So the idea that they have Kevin Love, Drummond Thompson, even Clark Jr.
00:18:28
Who is more length for his position, you obviously drama is gonna hop back in.
00:18:33
But if the premises that Cleveland's gonna bring all these bigger bodies back like there's some stats there that suggests when you have three of these guys on the floor specifically in Thompson, Love and Drummond that over sample sizes they can be somewhat dominant on the offensive end of the floor.
00:18:50
Do you think that that is with maybe some extra pieces getting brought in? I mean, in Cleveland level themselves out.
00:18:57
Can they start to be a more competitive team that was not ready for this pivot Cleveland Cavaliers Pivot.
00:19:03
Wow, I'm taking it back.
00:19:05
Um, Boy, you really put me on the spot here. I have to think.
00:19:12
I mean, Compton free Agent Thompson is a free agent.
00:19:16
I think they're trying Thio bring him back, which is odd.
00:19:20
But, I mean, I guess I guess what they would do with him is bring him back and an drumming and try to flip them at the deadline like that's pretty.
00:19:28
I think that's actually pretty smart for them to dio.
00:19:31
Because no matter what, I think Thompson is gonna be somebody that guys will look at the deadline.
00:19:36
Um, well, and and Drummond's a player option.
00:19:38
So he's kind of deciding whether he's coming back, which, uh, breaking news.
00:19:43
I think he's gonna dio e u enormous amount of money on Yeah, he doesn't want to see what happens.
00:19:49
You know, I have to say, I think Andre Drummond is going to take $28 million or whatever he's owed this next year.
00:19:55
So then let let let's present from that person getting right.
00:19:58
So, organizationally, do you think so? You're talking about at the deadline.
00:20:02
Does it make sense for Cleveland to say, Let's keep all these pieces here? And then let's just assess going forward And maybe even if it's in the vein of rebuilding, we're gonna have some valuable assets come at the trade deadline, as opposed to saying, Hey, can we be a big offense? Can we be a Lakers style? And just in terms of hey, versatile big players, you could technically put Lovat the five times if you needed to.
00:20:26
You could go to the four Drummond.
00:20:28
Obviously, that gets some flexibility around Tristan Thompson.
00:20:30
So you know, and is this may be saying, Yes, you can go big like the Lakers did, but you specifically need to have an Anthony Davis.
00:20:37
You need to have a LeBron James to make it be a functional system as opposed to just look big bodies.
00:20:42
We could be successful with this.
00:20:45
I think that was a little bit of a noisy like not a noisy stat, but like a noisy win loss record when they had that, because I don't know if it's replicable.
00:20:54
The one thing I will say is having dance is like huge for them like and I think Nancy is a guy.
00:20:59
If you're another team and you're like, Gosh, we could really use a guy that can play three through five Um, he makes a ton of sense.
00:21:08
He's not like, excellent, but he's really good and I think he's really underrated and just kind of makes sense if you're a good team.
00:21:15
I liked him when they made the finals, and it was I think I was 2018 when it was really just LeBron in a role.
00:21:22
Players hey was actually pretty good for them, and he's improved as a shooter, So he I think he's pretty key to what they dio.
00:21:30
The one thing I would say is like Rondo makes a little bit of sense for them.
00:21:33
For example, I think they need a tables that are really, really, really desperately andan.
00:21:38
Their wing depth is a little It's a little.
00:21:41
It's a little light.
00:21:42
Like I like Kevin Porter Jr a lot.
00:21:45
I think he's a nice young players showed a lot of things, and he's, you know, explosive.
00:21:51
And there's definitely something there, said he Osman.
00:21:54
I mean, you know, I don't know if you're gonna live on study, Osman, but e think we kind of know where that's going.
00:22:02
It's fine.
00:22:04
They need to improve that position.
00:22:05
They need to get like the Darius Garland and calling ***ton thing.
00:22:10
It's just like I don't know.
00:22:12
That's just two players that are so similar in terms of not their skills, necessarily, but what you're getting from them in terms of how you're running an offense.
00:22:22
So then, as we give a shoutout to Dakota for throwing a foam finger, are yeah, um, what do you What are Tristan Thompson or a Nance Jr pick? Pick one.
00:22:34
Just one guy off the Cleveland Where would you like to see him get moved to a some point to improve another? Another team around the league? I love Larry Nance in Brooklyn.
00:22:44
I love Larry Nance in Brooklyn.
00:22:47
I brought him up.
00:22:48
There's always a reason I bring guys up there.
00:22:50
Random players, Uh, that air usually like weird utility players.
00:22:56
It's usually because I've looked at them as possible.
00:23:00
You know that guy? My God? Yeah, like so.
00:23:04
So he makes sense.
00:23:06
But he's a good player for, you know, a good portion of competitive teams.
00:23:11
He'd be great on the heat.
00:23:12
He'd be create on the Celtics.
00:23:13
There's just a lot of places where he makes sense.
00:23:16
Um, so he's a nice player. Thompson.
00:23:19
If you're looking at teams that could really use a bigger body, you could look at him as an option for the Celtics.
00:23:25
Maybe you bring him in.
00:23:26
He's your starting center.
00:23:27
You look at him as a possible option for the Lakers.
00:23:32
If they really wanted to say, Hey, we don't really want to do the Dwight Howard.
00:23:36
Think again, like we appreciate your efforts, big guy.
00:23:38
But the whole like Batman Robin thing, like we've just had enough, like or Batman Joker, Whatever he did, uh, he made whatever, whatever version of whatever you're doing right now, Dwight Howard, I'm glad that it got us a championship.
00:23:51
We also don't know if we want to run that back a second time.
00:23:53
right.
00:23:54
And like a Dwight Howard that's coming off with, like, Oh, I just want, you know, the championship juju and and feeling himself on.
00:24:01
Do you go only shrinks from there.
00:24:02
Yeah, like, you know, I'm sure it'll be manageable this next year.
00:24:05
So maybe they're like, Yeah, we're good off the Dwight Howard thing.
00:24:07
I think we're gonna pass on this.
00:24:09
He makes a ton of sense for the Clippers.
00:24:11
I mean, if you're looking at a team right now, that just needs a little bit of umph and, you know, like, kind of what you want.
00:24:21
Mantra is Harold to be, I think in a lot of ways, um, it's a Tristan Thompson.
00:24:26
He's switch e he switch e er I don't think he's like he's done it before.
00:24:32
I admitted that I need to, like, refresh on my Tristan Thompson tape.
00:24:37
I've got to tell you, e want to kind of calves minutes in the last weird, because by the way, those two.
00:24:42
So it's like, yeah, I don't wanna have you for for some ****ysis, that mostly no one's been doing on the Cleveland Cavaliers, But it's weird to think about like Tristan Thompson was really someone like was a pretty important player.
00:24:56
And then because he's in Cleveland, it's just like, Hey, almost forget that this guy still out there doing his thing.
00:25:02
Yeah, same thing that I feel about Kevin Love now at this point, was there for that championship with LeBron, obviously.
00:25:07
And now I wonder about him.
00:25:09
And is he just comfortable there and being that guy for that franchise to finish things out? Or do you look at him and wonder who may be still again, who looked at him and says, This is still a bit like, you know, what they turned him into for LeBron on that championship roster is what? I wonder if any team looks at and says, Hey, man, let's just settle you out there.
00:25:30
You don't have to you know, you have to be under the boards, banging bodies anymore like you did as a young man like we can live with what you are on the outside.
00:25:36
The diff offensive deficiencies air probably where it becomes a little bit harder and you just start to probably say, Well, there's a younger version of this out there that does it slightly more athletically than Kevin Love does.
00:25:46
Yeah, I know.
00:25:48
I I like Kevin love so much.
00:25:50
I'm just The second screen is like It's like a really it za power.
00:25:54
I've just never I've never possessed.
00:25:56
You're wondering that one elevating his his technology baseline like you wouldn't believe.
00:26:01
I mean, the budget is just increasing on this show.
00:26:04
We're booming over here.
00:26:06
Oh, no. So he's it.
00:26:08
I had to look this up.
00:26:10
He is a free agent in 2023.
00:26:12
He's owed 31 million.
00:26:15
So it's a declining contract.
00:26:16
Well, it kind of it's a U shaped contract.
00:26:20
That's a unique one.
00:26:21
Um, it's 28 million in 2019 2020.
00:26:23
So it actually started this year for Kevin Love.
00:26:26
Next year it's 31 year.
00:26:28
After that, it's 31.
00:26:29
2 million on.
00:26:31
Then, after that, it goes back down to that 28 million in 2022 2023.
00:26:36
So that and he's 35.
00:26:39
When he comes off that contract, that's tough.
00:26:44
That has got to be one of the worst contracts in the league.
00:26:47
I it's which is too bad because Kevin Love is a sweet player, but he's realistically Mawr of a center, and he just has never protected the rim. He's got short arms.
00:26:59
He's not particularly quick.
00:27:00
Um, God, that stinks.
00:27:02
Because I really like Kevin Love somewhere like I like them.
00:27:06
That's that's right.
00:27:07
It's a hard eso.
00:27:08
Even Brooklyn. Go.
00:27:09
You're gonna pick up 30,000,030 million of Kevin Love like it's a lot to take that on.
00:27:14
I wonder if any team, then again because you also want to see Kevin Love beyond a competitive team, a team that you know is going to be in the playoffs so you could see the his best value on the back of his career.
00:27:23
You wonder if any team can afford to absorb that in a way that also benefits them in the long term, right? So it's like, Well, we're not giving up a ton of assets to Cleveland to take this off your books, But so that's why it's so tricky because, you know, Cleveland is like, What do you wanna give us? I'm like, Well, what we want to give you is capital form of taking $30 million from you, like that's kind of what this is, but not unlike what Chris Paul maybe did for himself this past year with O. K.
00:27:49
C.
00:27:50
And saying, Boy, it's a big number, but he certainly still showed tremendous value.
00:27:53
So now teams look it a little bit differently.
00:27:55
I don't know if Kevin Love gets the opportunity ahead of the trade deadline in this upcoming season.
00:28:01
Toe really showcase enough value where teams are like we eat.
00:28:04
That number may be for a half year rental and you try to flip it again.
00:28:08
And it's just it's unfortunate cause he spent so much of his career just wasting away in Minnesota.
00:28:14
Then finally, you know, finally works his way to a spot where he ends up going to win a championship.
00:28:17
And now it feels like, Okay, now waste away the next four or five years in Cleveland alone.
00:28:21
So it's It's just bad.
00:28:23
I hate seeing good talent go to waste anywhere in the league.
00:28:26
It's funny.
00:28:27
His career is really weird because he's he was really cutting edge like he he was kind of ahead of his time in terms of the shooting threes and, like, you know, kind of playing.
00:28:36
I mean, he was like the, you know, you look at How the heater playing through bam.
00:28:40
And he's like dribble handoff situations like he was great from that high post handoff.
00:28:45
Or or even he's the guy that's receiving handoffs or little chest passes from a short distance from Ricky Rubio.
00:28:52
Uh, you know, back in the day, which is, unfortunately, some basketball and watching my life.
00:28:57
Um, but But, no, I mean mind.
00:29:01
Yeah, but I mean so he was really cutting edge.
00:29:05
Then the league kind of goes away from him and Ryan Anderson's.
00:29:10
And you just kind of need bigs that can defend and really protect the rim, like teams kind of realize, Oh, it's actually really more important to protect the rim, maybe more than anything and and, well, actually, allow some threes, like what will be like? Okay, so that's a real problem for him.
00:29:25
So now he's kind of the almost antiquated big, and it's a weird, weird thing with him.
00:29:32
Okay, we're gonna move.
00:29:33
We're gonna move off in Cleveland, but low level move.
00:29:36
I know.
00:29:37
So sorry.
00:29:38
Sorry.
00:29:39
That low level move, though Miami has cap room with existing Kelly Olynyk with bam out of bio.
00:29:44
Is that a world that Kevin Love maybe would fit kind of into because he could be doing the perimeter shooting and not and being taken away from the responsibility of protecting the rim.
00:29:54
All the smart teams, they're going to keep their books up in for 20.
00:29:57
Yeah, that's the other problem, too.
00:29:59
Right? So there you not wanting to over commit to something the Lakers air keeping their books open, Um, which is something to watch.
00:30:08
So they are going to They have all these 1 to 2 year deals.
00:30:12
They're looking at 2021 e guess the Clippers are to a degree, but that's that's what their stars coming up, which is not what you want.
00:30:21
Eso all these teams.
00:30:22
They're kind of getting ready for that.
00:30:25
That that summer, I think we can say summer.
00:30:29
I think we'll be back to a normal calendar.
00:30:31
Who knows, though.
00:30:32
So in the Raptors to I mean, so it's It's all of these teams they're not really going to take on a Kevin love.
00:30:39
It's tough like if you're one of these guys that's on a bloated contract, unless you're going toe like a Milwaukee or I guess, a L.
00:30:46
A Clippers, where it's like we need to keep our stars happy.
00:30:50
You're probably staying where you are because teams just wanna have that flexibility.
00:30:55
Yeah, so it's tricky.
00:30:56
It's fair.
00:30:57
So we'll keep our eyes on Cleveland quickly over to the Denver Nuggets.
00:31:01
They're talking about running it back, possibly with Grant Plumlee Millsap Craig, obviously in support of their two biggest stars.
00:31:07
Are you comfortable with that? Do you want to see them make a tweak to what the supporting cast is there? Do you? Do you anticipate the Millsap automatically being, you know? Oh, who did bring him back? Because I don't know if his mark it's going to be robust at this stage of his career.
00:31:20
Does it make sense for that? I mean, maybe it's in the same thing of keeping keeping your options open.
00:31:25
Do they try to go short term with a handful of these guys and say, Hey, this worked pretty well for us.
00:31:30
Let's let's give it another run here before we worry about significant changes to what we have.
00:31:36
I think they take if they can upgrade the Gary Harris spot.
00:31:42
And if that meant pairing Michael Porter Jr with him I think that package makes sense for somebody.
00:31:50
And if you need to add extra money like Drew Holiday, for example, if that's what it takes to get through Holiday and maybe a pick or something like that, that's a pretty interesting thing for them and then on on the Republican side.
00:32:03
So So I think that's the spot that they would wanna upgrade.
00:32:06
And maybe you just hope that Gary Harris bounces back.
00:32:10
Um, even though his three point percentages decline pretty much every single year since everybody started talking about him, Um, but I think that's the spot that they do.
00:32:18
You just sort of hope that the progression for Murray is legit and I actually in the camp. I think it is.
00:32:24
So from there, it's just gonna be okay.
00:32:27
Maybe you look to replace the Mason Plumlee spot.
00:32:30
Um, yeah, they they're fine.
00:32:33
I I wouldn't tweak too much with them.
00:32:35
I would just really worry about Grant, which I think they will take care of him and I would keep Millsap.
00:32:41
I would.
00:32:42
If I were them, I would keep him.
00:32:43
I think he makes a lot of sense for them.
00:32:45
He's a big reason that they advanced to the Western Conference finals this year.
00:32:49
Um, that that moment with Marcus Morris, where he's Morris.
00:32:52
Basically, uh, you know, he says some things to him and it lights up Paul Millsap, which is, like, super rare, because Paul Millsap so pretty even tempered Guy, um and and he gets in there.
00:33:02
He is this great Game five and he had some moments, so I would keep him like, Why not let Tory Craig walk? He doesn't make any sense.
00:33:09
You don't need Tory Craig if you have.
00:33:11
If you have Gary Harris, who's going to guard other teams guards? Why do you have Tory Craig, who also is the guy that guards other people's guard because he can't guard Biggs? We saw that in the playoffs, so I don't know.
00:33:20
I think they're they're decisions air really easy this this off season.
00:33:24
Um, and I envy that, almost just having the ability to make really easy decisions look like if you don't even get a better option than Mason Plumlee oil, bring him back.
00:33:33
Fine, that's fine.
00:33:35
Yeah, that's and I guess it's nice for them to not have to really worry about like a Millsap or a plenty like they're not going out there and getting Oh, my God, I'm gonna match.
00:33:44
I'm gonna match big offers that they're seeing there.
00:33:46
So that's also a sweet spot of saying, Hey, you know what? You're we know what your value is to us.
00:33:51
And you also know what your value has been here.
00:33:53
Yeah, it makes it a very easy remarriage in that regard.
00:33:56
So that'll be fun to keep it on a footnote.
00:33:58
Is that Millsap? When I was younger because he's been in the league for a long time, Millsaps always looked bigger.
00:34:06
Then I now see him.
00:34:08
I don't know what e I know.
00:34:10
I in my mind, my mind.
00:34:13
Millsap was one of, like, the bigger guys.
00:34:16
And then when I saw him coming into the floor, watching the bubble and having maybe not been so focused on that team over the season, I was like, Hold on, Paul Millsap.
00:34:24
How you doing, man? Have you been just doing You know, maybe I know he's Benjamin button ing out there.
00:34:28
That's neither here nor yeah, We'll also guarding Anthony Davis like you're like, Oh, wow.
00:34:33
This Well, yes.
00:34:34
Doesn't batch of your like Oh, Paul, switch off, slick off quick eso.
00:34:41
It's been interesting to see some guys that you have in your mind, right? And same thing around like a Kevin Love where you have your perception of him in his early career.
00:34:47
And then when you see him on Cleveland with LeBron, you're like, Oh, this is a very different version of what I perceived you to be early in your career.
00:34:54
Here's the juicy one that I wanted to get you.
00:34:56
I saved the best for last.
00:34:58
You and I touched on Golden State the other day as well, and just saying like Hey, like there's still golden.
00:35:04
There's still the Golden State Warriors.
00:35:05
They still have all of the usual suspects there.
00:35:08
Couple of things.
00:35:09
Um, the There was a handful of rumors out there of what they might dio.
00:35:15
Just yesterday, they said the possibility of what if Golden State was in pursuit of, Let's say, and Aaron Gordon off of Orlando, a really nice two way player that opens.
00:35:25
Something's up for them.
00:35:27
Does that make Does that ring a bell for you? And so and that would involve that second overall pick potentially and maybe, you know, some ancillary pieces get involved there.
00:35:35
Is that a big enough needle mover for you? Or do need to focus May be on a on a big legitimately, you know, a center or a larger piece there to pair with them.
00:35:43
And that kind of dovetails into another interesting speculation.
00:35:48
I think they need that position a little more desperately than people are talking about.
00:35:53
Um, right now, your best wing defender is Andrew Wiggins or Eric Paschal, which perfect.
00:36:02
You're not going Thio.
00:36:03
You're not going to do too much of that right now about so even if you over pay for Aaron Gordon, he's like exactly what you need.
00:36:13
And if you just simplify his role and say, Hey, just just spot up and play in transition When When we force the turnover and and just guard LeBron and Co.
00:36:23
I like guard like you've never guarded before and he's been good.
00:36:26
He's actually.
00:36:27
Two years ago, he was really good against Kawai, like really strong base pushed him off his spots.
00:36:33
Cool.
00:36:34
I was just in a different zone in that in that raptors.
00:36:36
I mean, he was great this year, too, but you know that like he was just making tough shots.
00:36:41
I'm really high on Aaron Gordon as a defender.
00:36:44
Um, I think his role makes a little more sense when he's not next to like the what? The magics best shooter is Vukovic right now.
00:36:53
So if you're next to a Clay Thompson and Steph Curry, Yeah, I would think heavy.
00:36:59
I really would.
00:37:00
And I think if you give Orlando the second overall pick, they'd be silly to say no, that that trade makes a ton of sense.
00:37:09
I really I mean, look, the one that was that was floated forever.
00:37:12
Was the Nets getting Aaron Gordon? It's like it never dies euro sense.
00:37:17
But I mean, it makes some sense.
00:37:18
You bring in a din.
00:37:19
Witty, I guess. He's your point guard.
00:37:21
It's like, Yeah, it's better than than than who they have, Uh, D J. Augustine.
00:37:27
But, you know, I would say like this sort of allows Orlando to rebuild on the fly like that's a really valuable thing for them because I think they want to remain in it.
00:37:38
But they also want to say, Hey, we have Jonathan Isaac.
00:37:42
He's missing a year.
00:37:43
We don't know this year is gonna look like if we subtract Aaron Gordon, but we get a second overall pick and then maybe we're in the lottery or we make the playoffs and whatever.
00:37:50
We lose around one like we do every year.
00:37:52
Um, you know, that's pretty attractive.
00:37:55
So I love that trade.
00:37:56
Personally, I would do it.
00:37:58
You know, it feels a little crazy saying that because it's the second overall pick and you're getting Aaron Gordon, who's been more of a disappointment than a success.
00:38:05
But it's not that good of a draft, and they really need that spot.
00:38:08
So and then you talk about not being that good of a draft second overall, pick the factor of Golden State.
00:38:15
You know they want to be right back in the thick of trying to win this thing.
00:38:18
Three other.
00:38:19
The other angle that's that I was hearing talked about was at that second overall pick and listen, I don't have not dove in order.
00:38:25
I I have not yet dived in.
00:38:27
I haven't looked at the college level players in terms of prospects in the draft.
00:38:31
That one got away from me there.
00:38:32
But there's some.
00:38:34
There are some bigs.
00:38:35
There are some centers that could get talked about high in the draft.
00:38:38
But if you're Golden State, are you trying to bring along a rookie center to get involved in what you want to be a really big year? Popcorn? Dakota? Um, do you it all? So they say, uh, we we know around Philadelphia 70 Sixers.
00:38:53
The obvious choice, everyone says, is you try to move Ben Simmons because and beat is the big He's the guy.
00:39:01
Is there any world where Philadelphia now looks at Simmons between and beaten Simmons and says, we actually just likes him? It may be a health thing when you talk about and be, however, you want to slice it.
00:39:13
Is there any world that the second overall pick and maybe Wigan's or maybe some other pieces can get thrown in direction of the Philadelphia 70 Sixers? To get in bead out to the West Coast and create what would be obviously ah, powerhouse? I mean, you know, and and does and doesn't really function within, because this is this is about as far a field as you can get in terms of speculative ideas or, you know, the possibility of what would make a lot of sense or feel good for Golden State, but can indeed really work in that system with them? Would it have as high a value as, say, and Aaron Gordon and B is clearly a better player on paper than Aaron Gordon, but functionality is Aaron Gordon Ah more suited piece in there.
00:39:54
Could you see any world where that would exist? We're a year away from that.
00:39:58
I think that's my my answer.
00:40:00
I they I don't think they would have brought in Doc Rivers if they were planning to move one of Simmons and Embiid.
00:40:06
I still don't like that team like Doc Rivers isn't going to solve the problem, that they don't have enough shooting and they definitely don't have a closer like that that those air not gonna go away.
00:40:15
You don't just not that into players.
00:40:18
You can't make Tobias Harris a different player like he's just he's not that player, so their problems are the same.
00:40:26
But I think they're trying to ignore those issues and the big way of doing that is bringing the I think 11th winningest coach ever, so that that feels like we're a year away from that.
00:40:39
The obvious move for the Sixers this year and they're going right with the playbook is fire the current e, I guess the existing head coach bringing a new one.
00:40:47
Then maybe from there I would even say they restructure their front office before they do the um although I don't know, because Elton Brand seems like he has a sweet situation there.
00:40:57
He's not set up there, but it is right way.
00:41:00
Blame the coach first.
00:41:01
We say it's not the talent. It's not our players.
00:41:03
It's not the team.
00:41:04
It was just a nexus.
00:41:05
And those thing this guy didn't understand how to best utilize them.
00:41:07
Like you say, Let's bring in one of the best coaches in NBA history.
00:41:10
Let him coach these guys up, and then if that result fails, you're not.
00:41:14
Then you're gonna go to the players right and say, What does this really look like? How do we restructure our team in some way? Yeah, no, it they're being They're being very odd.
00:41:23
They're not being subtle about what they're doing.
00:41:25
I'll say that they're not being subtle about what they're doing.
00:41:29
Uh and yeah, I don't know.
00:41:32
I just I don't think we're there and it'll be fun in a year.
00:41:36
I mean, I guess in a year we're gonna have that free agency class.
00:41:39
And who knows? Like it feels like there's a couple of teams that, let's, let's say Houston loses or Philly or both.
00:41:47
Like, are they? Are they looking at each other like, Yeah, this this isn't gonna happen.
00:41:52
So in that way, I guess it makes it pretty exciting around like, potentially around the trade deadline, like that's where Maybe you're going to see some of these things that I mean to your point, like everyone basically stands, Pat says, Let's see what happens here.
00:42:02
Some teams are looking to find out if it was the coach or is it the players? Is it the pieces, the parts? And then maybe you see some subtle movement there.
00:42:10
Uh, let's let's tie it all back around is I like to Dio, Does Golden State around the trade deadline sniff around any of those players from Cleveland that maybe are movable pieces over there? Does it Tristan Thompson, You know, I won't put love into that mix for all the reasons we mentioned, but if Tristan Thompson is immovable commodity does he may be.
00:42:29
Is there a little bit of a bidding war between the Lakers and Golden State Warriors for a complimentary piece to add in who? Um, you know, if it's a Tristan Thompson, I almost feel like they had just could they? I don't know.
00:42:45
It depends kind of what Tristan Thompson signs for, Right? So I would look at that.
00:42:50
I also wonder if they're gonna go for, like, a Noel, like a Nerlens Noel and free agency, like he makes a little bit of sense for them.
00:42:57
Kind of gives you that.
00:42:59
And I don't know if you I mean, I guess you could start Nerlens noel.
00:43:02
Um, but, you know, you bring him in, he's just adds a lot of shot blocking, which I think they really, really could desperately use.
00:43:10
And then is that guy who is going to be in those lob situations, Especially when you're using Dre money there in that short roller in that transition, um, eso I would look at, I think like Yeah, you're right.
00:43:22
You're dead on it with the Cavs guys.
00:43:24
So they bring back Tristan Thompson.
00:43:26
Yes, that's a trade thing.
00:43:27
or the Warriors just looked straight up.
00:43:29
Sign him this this offseason or you try to look at that type of a mobile.
00:43:33
I think that's the guy they need, because right now they basically worked with marquees.
00:43:37
Chris, who is that essentially, But but doesn't give you much on defense.
00:43:44
I think they'd want that.
00:43:45
That defensive, you know, just acuity.
00:43:49
I think they need that.
00:43:51
Yeah.
00:43:52
So there's a couple that lesson friends.
00:43:53
We get to do this all off season, and we don't even know how long the off season is going to be.
00:43:58
Is there anything else that you were excited about? I didn't get a chance Thio to fully absorb your great content yesterday.
00:44:05
So I get Thio check back in on that on the back end.
00:44:08
Was there anything that particular percolated for you where you went? Okay.
00:44:11
Like, these are some things that you want to keep an eye on going forward Victor Oladipo to the Lakers.
00:44:16
Well, so that was That was like it was a minute.
00:44:22
Yeah, it was minute 50.
00:44:24
He we kind of We hashed through it.
00:44:26
It was just pretty good.
00:44:27
I'm putting up a clip on my Twitter, which you can follow me at that Brooks MBA.
00:44:31
Um, and you could follow Adam, is it just your name? Right on there.
00:44:35
Interesting underscore.
00:44:36
Now, just out of money.
00:44:37
I don't even bother with all the nonsense.
00:44:39
If you have a wacky straight up name, then you get to you get to really You just utilize it across last s o jealous.
00:44:46
Yeah.
00:44:47
Don't Don't have that luxury.
00:44:48
Um, so yeah, Go follow the both of us.
00:44:51
Uh, so basically, what was I saying? Oh, the Oladipo thing is, they He's a guy that they may look at in free agency.
00:45:02
And we kind of talked about Okay, Like, maybe you're not super high on Danny Green for 15 million.
00:45:07
And you look at that.
00:45:09
Him and cousin, I think, is a package that they might sniff around a little bit Like Alex.
00:45:15
Regular was saying that if they wanted Thio, they could take the flyer on all the Depo, bring him in.
00:45:24
At the very least, you're going to get the same level of defensive intensity from Oladipo.
00:45:29
And maybe maybe you're able to get him in there.
00:45:33
He sees this Lakers culture.
00:45:34
You have your third star you work that out on.
00:45:38
I don't know about a team friendly deal, but friendly ordeal.
00:45:41
That's pretty interesting because I've spent, I've I've spent more hours than I'd like to share, trying to figure out where Oladipo makes sense.
00:45:47
I've looked at Utah.
00:45:49
I've looked like I've looked ever and like, it's just I looked at the Timberwolves for him.
00:45:55
So is he gonna Is he gonna her as he hurt his value in terms of the Pacers offered him a four year, $80 million extension, was essentially duplicating his initial contract he had with them.
00:46:08
He felt like he was worth MAWR.
00:46:10
He was coming off the injury.
00:46:11
When he gets down free agency, he's not getting.
00:46:14
He's not clear in 20 year.
00:46:16
Willie.
00:46:17
I mean, it's not, I don't know it would be around that.
00:46:20
Yeah, I mean, I think there's still a lot of pedigree with him, but after like if he has another year like he just did, I wouldn't I wouldn't come anywhere close with 20 million.
00:46:31
I would I would maybe have that and be like here's 10 million like I don't That's a pretty big loss for him.
00:46:39
so the other thing for him is like I think he knows he needs to go to a team where there is a little bit of structure and a little bit of like bubble wrap for him.
00:46:52
So that's why the Lakers make a ton of sense.
00:46:55
You already have your two stars.
00:46:56
You're not looking at him to be like your go to scorer night tonight.
00:46:59
If he could grow into that.
00:47:01
I mean, that's awesome.
00:47:02
And, you know, that's just more exposure like that.
00:47:06
They're going to go deep in the playoffs.
00:47:07
If he's good for them, the KCP is going to turn down his player option to go try to get.
00:47:14
I mean, he and his player option is for, like, 8.
00:47:15
5 million.
00:47:17
It's not a small contract in this.
00:47:19
In this class of free agents, he's probably going to turn it down and see what he could get.
00:47:23
So I don't know, and I would do it for him and interesting to think about right? So say you don't even sign a long term deal with the Lakers.
00:47:32
You go two years sample sized, then once you get through it, you allow the Lakers to look at it and see how that relationship is formed.
00:47:38
And then you can still look at the big picture even beyond LeBron James when he retires in seven years, you know, but you could always look beyond at how that complements with a D and how you'll continue to build their so he may be able to find a new home for himself and in general, around the n b A.
00:47:53
For Victor Oladipo, not the Pacers aren't bad one organization by any stretch.
00:47:57
But you, you know, you start to value things differently when you talk about coming off of an injury.
00:48:03
Long term longevity chances toe win.
00:48:06
And I think Oladipo is entering that sweet spot from UNAIDS standpoint.
00:48:10
Coming off injury, looking to make a reasonable salary, looking to be protected looking toe have bigger, better players around him.
00:48:17
That makes his role easier to be even more effective at.
00:48:20
And that's what that's where I think he can.
00:48:22
Maybe I'll treat I'm a bill again if it if the Lakers do that.
00:48:27
And Oladipo even represented I said this before about him just his defensive upside.
00:48:32
If he does that for the Lakers, I'm gonna be hard pressed to look at teams that are going to challenge them next year.
00:48:39
I just don't know what the downside is like, What's the difference between all the depot at this point and Danny Green in a year? I don't think it's that big.
00:48:47
Cozma's a weird player for them that I felt like they can replace this this offseason like, Yeah, he was better defensively, but he had some of the worst close outs.
00:48:59
I still can think about a couple of those like four point plays that he'll like, I don't know.
00:49:03
I mean, he's good from the corners and he makes he's a good player, but I don't know.
00:49:09
I don't market stay there, though.
00:49:10
By the way, if you're Kuzma, you wanna hang on desperately to being in uh, like, you know, your your biggest mistake is is trying to over over value yourself and get out there on the market and then find yourself on a bad team where you may be putting up better numbers.
00:49:24
You know, doing the Kevin Love treatment in Minnesota, where you have these inflated numbers and yeah, because you're winning 15 games this year, you know who knows? Name, name, Team X.
00:49:34
That's just gonna have a really bad season.
00:49:36
If I were him, I would route to go to Indiana like I would be like, This is great.
00:49:39
Like I'm gonna be there.
00:49:40
Score because I don't know their scoring is gonna be Sabonis, obviously.
00:49:44
But Sabonis is a little bit more of like a Yokich playmaker finding guys Brogden.
00:49:49
And then and then where else? Where else is the scorn like he's got a pretty nice opportunity there.
00:49:54
They can play really big, which is cool because he's a bigger player.
00:49:58
He's 6 ft nine.
00:49:59
So you have him.
00:50:00
I don't know.
00:50:01
Turner might get traded this this offseason to another Warriors target.
00:50:05
That is very interesting for them or a Rockets target.
00:50:09
I think he makes a little bit of sense just so they could play five out.
00:50:12
Is Turner one of them, or undervalued players? Maybe just because of where he played Turner e.
00:50:19
I am so out on Myles Turner and I don't know why exactly.
00:50:25
He's a guy that you look at the like, the three point numbers.
00:50:29
You look at the blocks and you're like, This is awesome.
00:50:31
like this guy's such a great like every team needs this guy, but he doesn't do anything on offense other than spot up almost to a fault and and on Lee, do pick and pop like he doesn't roll.
00:50:44
Ever, ever, ever, ever, And it's it's it doesn't add much at all.
00:50:49
Now, if you're the Rockets, that makes a lot of sense because you're like, we're we don't even play that much pick and roll anymore.
00:50:54
And, honestly, we're just gonna bring Jeff Green back.
00:50:56
He'll be our role guy with Harden who, and he was great at it this year.
00:51:01
So he makes a little bit of sense there.
00:51:02
But the other thing that he doesn't do well at all this rebound.
00:51:05
God, look, I can't rebound.
00:51:07
It's like it's so bad, like people killed don't really close.
00:51:11
You don't read particularly well.
00:51:13
We'd love guard.
00:51:15
Yeah, it's like he's a guard that blocked shots like he's like Dwyane Wade.
00:51:20
But without the star power e don't know why I just think that out.
00:51:25
No, no, no.
00:51:26
It's like what could be more ****ing to Turner to compare him to someone so drastically different from yeah, like Wait wait.
00:51:36
It's kind of a guard in a lot of ways, Not great.
00:51:39
So way could go.
00:51:42
We could go for another hour.
00:51:44
We're not gonna do it, though.
00:51:45
Maybe we will touch back in together tomorrow and get into some MAWR net specific stuff on the w g N.
00:51:52
Because there is a lot of things that I would like to dive into their obviously some news around coaching potentially on that side of things.
00:51:58
What things as well.
00:51:59
But we'll save it.
00:52:01
Let's let's save it for the people.
00:52:03
As Matt mentioned, you can check him out over on at Matt Brooks, N B.
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00:52:18
You can also get Keith McPherson and Simeon Russell, and everybody else is doing some great content Here is well, covering the off season for the MBA.
00:52:25
Anything else you want the people to know, Mr Brooks? I'm good.
00:52:30
I'm thinking about my I'm good.
00:52:32
I'm actually I don't I don't have anything to plug Fridays in my days where I'm figuring out who's coming on next week.
00:52:38
So So I guess you'll know by Tuesday.
00:52:41
We go out on Tuesdays 10 o'clock, 10 p.m.
00:52:45
Eastern standard time, so I'll probably have some announcements then.
00:52:48
But now, right now, I mean, maybe we'll have a Cavs guy on since we did someone here, we owe proposed trade.
00:52:54
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Josh Hart already trying to recruit Rajon Rondo back to New Orleans

New Orleans Pelicans swingman Josh Hart is not wasting any time in trying to make his team a more formidable force for the upcoming campaign. Most recently, the 25-year-old set his sights on newly-crowned NBA champ Rajon Rondo of the Los Angeles Lakers, who himself is expected to enter free agency in the offseason. Hart […]

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good thing it's with you.
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And with that, we welcome you back to SportsCastr news, talking MBA with myself at arm wrecked and my partner in crime, let's let's let's call it what it is.
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Matt Brooks with Niles Man food.
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It's, uh we talked about this a little bit last time.
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I've been saying it to a lot of people like N b A.
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Now is over for the season, and I was just waiting and wondering like, What's gonna How exciting is it gonna get? How quickly am I gonna pivot over to this other beast? That is who's going where and what's going with her and it's are dialing up.
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So it turns out it have anything to worry about.
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We're gonna be able to start really speculating and trying to dissect how the NBA's gonna look next year.
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Ah, lot quicker than I realized in spite of the fact that the NBA's gonna try to give these things players a little bit of time off and we're still not entirely sure when that next season's gonna start, right? Yeah.
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No, I, uh it seems like we heard one report about MLK day and then, like shortly after Brian Wynne horse said something about like being in March, so it kind of feels like we're basically where we were in the middle of the bubble when when dates were getting leaked.
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So I don't know.
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I don't know when it's coming back.
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I because I'm eager and I can't even resist the temptation.
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I've already started doing free agency stuff.
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Went through 280 free agents yesterday.
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I was looking at the Yeah, I don't even know the Aaron graze of the world by the very end, the guys that were on contract for about $100,000 and I was like, Gosh, this is sad.
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What am I doing with my day on? Then it came toe looking up.
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DeAndre Bembry raise or DeAndre Ben Breeze Rapture rating.
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And that's what I also really new.
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I need to find a book or something like that, because this is not good for me to be doing.
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Eso I followed that up by looking at Dzhokhar Sampson's frequently a field goal percentage of than 3 ft or shorter.
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Yeah, no, I just were in it, man, and I can't resist it.
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I now know the free agency class.
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I'm feeling really, really good about that, you know? So before I I have excited a couple of touch points here, some things that we talked about last time on Tuesday before we do, though, I will say so in that vein of because I've been doing some NFL content where we're talking about NFL P A and and how are they handling things in terms of positive tests and making sure that you're managing expectations for the players and ownership and all those things.
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So it's a tip of the hat to the MBA to say maybe we are going to start again in March.
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We don't know.
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I'm assuming there is again a very collaborative process with the players to do it in a way that they feel comfortable with it.
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And one of the footnotes coming out of the bubble is obviously, we know players were being very proactive and talking about social movement, talking about the importance of voting.
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So I just thought, reminding the people of the stat line that coming into it last election, only 23% of the MBA players were registered to vote.
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That number is now about 97%.
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So, you know, power through actions.
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The MBA players have made that choice.
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They're being vocal about it, and they're also following it up by by doing the thing that can lead by example.
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So I just think that's a really great thing to mention everybody.
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As we are a month away from election, it's important to make your voice heard.
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Whatever your opinions are on, things do follow the everything.
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Almost everyone is registered to vote.
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So please go out and do that.
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If you are so vote in person if possible, vote in person if possible, it zits.
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The best way to make sure your ballot is in It looks it's just you want it to be counted.
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Okay, So let Z all I'm gonna leave it at that.
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So let's that would be my recommendation.
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Ah, lot of different.
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If you're in a city with an MBA team, a lot of teams air now opening their like, for example, I'm gonna go vote at the Barclays Center.
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I'm probably gonna waiting like an eight hour line. Fine.
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Whatever.
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I'm gonna I will you know, maybe I'll see people from 6 ft or further that I haven't seen in in what a year.
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I mean, eso it's there are.
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There are ways to do it and you know it be proactive at this point.
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For the most part, I think you've probably Mr Registration Date.
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But But, yeah, go out their vote, make yourself heard.
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It's important to do that for sure.
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Be a part of the process, that's all.
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I guess all I can leave you with, do whatever it takes to be a part of it.
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So on the MBA side of things, you and I talked about the Lakers and some of these guys around there in the two days since we spoke, Rajon Rondo opted out of that contract with the Lakers that had, um, slated to make $2.
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6 million.
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You already have former Pelicans teammates trying to lobby for him to come back to the pelicans.
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Justice in general.
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Do you think there's gonna be a pretty decent market? Is this more just about him resetting his salary with the Lakers to rejoin that team? Do you expect anyone else to really get involved here, or is it just best suited? Hey, come on back, Let's run this thing back.
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Great segue.
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Um I love when I can plug something that I did eso I on my on my channel, which you confined Backslash Matt Brooks.
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I had Alex regular on who's a reporter for the Lakers.
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We talked a lot about Rondo.
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I came into this.
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I I like basically when I was kind of talking through some of their free agents, I breathed white right by Toronto because I just sort of figured he'd come back.
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You know, he's close with aides close to LeBron, makes sense on that team.
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And, uh, he was a little dubious about Mr Rajon Rondo returning.
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Um, and one of the things we talked about is they have this full M l E, which is the mid level exception it's most teams are working with that there's about 5 to 7 teams with cap space, depending upon what they do and who comes back.
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And you know anything along those lines on day one of those teams, like, for example, the pelicans pelicans are gonna bring back threatening.
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There goes your cap space.
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So, um so basically, you have this Lakers team.
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They have this full mid, the full midlevel extension, which is going to be exception, which is gonna be like 9.
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5 to 10 million.
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He was sort of saying they might even split that up rather than splurge that on one player on Bring back Rondo.
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If they don't do that and say somebody like I don't know, Danilo Gallinari comes knocking and says, Hey, I'm gonna take a little bit of less money because that report came out this week that he was really looking to be on a winner.
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Then maybe a Rondo does go somewhere, and they look for different options at the point guard position, which I wasn't prepared for.
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But he seemed kind of open to it.
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I just thought Rondo was like, really integral to like what they did.
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But if he moves, I'd love to talk about like I mean, let's just do it right now like, who do you think he could go to? Where does he make sense? Well, we mentioned the listen, we're next guy.
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So I mentioned in that way, like I think that there's tremendous value toe pairing him in that type of role, bring a little bit of toughness a little bit of, as we said, a little bit of a screw loose as a positive compliment kind of way in his game.
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Um, you know? Well, interestingly enough, you think about other teams, especially out West, that could use a veteran presence.
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So some of these young teams that didn't quite get over the hump out there in the Western Conference I don't know.
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If you put the Clippers, I'm gonna throw this right now.
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Well, you know what? So that's the one that because we said about Kawhi Leonard and being really suited well, with Kyle Lowry in Toronto because Kyle Lowry is a vocal guy, he's the face of that organization.
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So you get to let him do all the outfront work and talking for you, and then you just get to be who you are.
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Kawhi Leonard like, I don't think that Paul George is particularly vocal guy either.
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So if you think about that idea and I actually just a leading to something else, as often happens with us.
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But if you think about the idea of bringing in a guy that could be that vocal punch for you, take control from point guard, position, perspective and allow PG and E. Coli to play off the ball.
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That's a really nice match, so I could see that working for you.
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Um, the other interesting one that some people throughout in terms of veteran presence for, uh, the Clippers.
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Then we can still touch back on Rondo and other places.
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Think you could land? What was the idea of a of A re union in Clipper Land with Chris Paul? Oh, that was weird.
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I like it, but it's weird.
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It's like it's that is like, That's a If they make that move, I think they have the indication that they have no idea.
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If Co y and Paul Georgia back like if they did that, I would be like, Okay, they're they're in full panic mode.
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I mean, everything they're doing kind of suggests that they have no idea, because they fired their coach without a replacement.
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And they have, you know, they I mean, that's just like a panic move on.
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That one right there, is there? Is there any chance that you like? So, in terms of this organization being in panic mode, is there any chance that things really fall apart from them? There from a PG and Kawhi Leonard standpoint like, Is there any world where they stripped this thing down after one year and kind of feeling like, maybe we maybe we miss read what this was going to look like? Honestly, I I don't think that Paul George is 1000% untradable.
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I think you can read that situation and look at those two and say, This isn't exactly the fit that we thought it would be and I wouldn't I would be surprised if he was moved, but I wouldn't fall out of my chair. Surprise.
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How quickly and Lou Williams, like a Lou Williams, has got to go like trees.
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Harold, let him walk.
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Bring back to Michael Green.
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I think Michael Green has a player option, so he might pick that up anyways.
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Let him go.
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Blue Williams.
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Definitely move him, because that's just somebody like dude, when when they have like, when it's end of game situations and how high has the ball on? Lou Williams is at the top of the key and he's calling for the ball.
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It's like, Okay, well, something might not be right here, buddy.
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Buddy, Buddy, Buddy, Buddy, buddy s so maybe maybe some of the supporting cast need to switch out.
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How do you think that? Because everything was predicated around like Wilander.
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Want to come back to L.
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A. Quiet. Leonard wanted to have Paul.
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George. They're like, this is part of the package.
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Do you think that a relationship like that can deteriorate that quickly? I mean, you look like the rockets and say the reunion of Westbrook and Harden, and they seem to now that may fall apart for different reasons beyond the control.
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But they seem to be married to their own pairing.
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Right? Right, right. Wrong. Indifferent.
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They were like, Hey, this is what we're doing as friends that see ourselves playing together.
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Do you think that CO y let's say Kawhi Leonard could read this situation.
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Say Okay, listen, I love you, PG But this actually isn't what we thought it was going to be.
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And we may need to quickly switch here, because if you're quite Leonard, you can't. I know.
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I know you've won two places.
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I know that you probably feel comfortable, but I don't think Kawhi Leonard is yet at the point where he goes.
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I could just ride this thing out in L.
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A and not necessarily worry about championship competition, you know, the thing I would do with them is is look at kind of how they got there again.
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It's this figuring it out on the fly thing that they've done for this last year.
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So they get rid of the coach.
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No coach in place there.
00:11:01
They interviewed a couple assistance.
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You know they've They've definitely talked with Tyler, who, though he's been with the organization the whole year.
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Um, it's it's kind of It's been a full year of this, you know? Kawai is rumored to have some interest.
00:11:16
It's clear he always had his eyes set on building his own thing in as a Clipper, which we'll see if that was the right decision I would lean towards No, right now.
00:11:25
I would have stayed in Toronto if I were him, Um, and he basically goes through his phone book and and says, I'm going to try to find my co star.
00:11:38
You know he's fielding text to Kevin Durant, which caught Durant by surprise.
00:11:43
He's hitting up Jimmy Butler and then he settles on Paul George.
00:11:46
So as much as I wanna be like, Okay? These guys, like, chose each other.
00:11:50
It's like, Yeah, but like so I kind of surveyed the landscape like it wasn't like they were this, like, union that came together like a use a camp or something like that.
00:12:01
Like what is a weird like LeBron James, Dwyane Wade.
00:12:05
Chris Bosh. Listen, we're doing this.
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We're gonna pick which city we go, Thio.
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But we're doing really wanna be together.
00:12:11
Yeah, or like Kyrie and K D and D J like I don't know if that bond is there.
00:12:15
So like, if if that's kind of how these guys came together and they're not, like, close, close like that, um, like, what's really stopping them from being like, Hey, Washington, what's going on with Bradley Beal? Because we'll just give you Paul George straight up.
00:12:28
And I don't know if Washington would play ball on that. Probably not.
00:12:32
But you know, like just what's really stopping them from kind of canvassing the league and seeing what's out there or, like, Philly be like, Hey, Philly, um, how's Paul Georgetown for? I don't know Ben Simmons or somebody like that.
00:12:44
I don't know if that would work, but something weird like that.
00:12:46
I'd always testing.
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The water is really anywhere.
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We're open.
00:12:50
What's what's to stop the kuai Leonard from putting out signals that he'd like to play with Kevin Durant? Kyrie Irving in Brooklyn? Let Zoi.
00:13:01
Well, um, listen, I I think the point is that, like, it's like Kawhi Leonard is entrenched there.
00:13:06
It's going to be his team, and now it's about is the Paul George experiments already? One and done over.
00:13:11
There was some things to, um, some people have brought up the idea that Paul George was dealing with his shoulder injury, that maybe health maybe played a little bit more of a factor just in terms of his production during the bubble and in the playoffs.
00:13:23
And maybe that is something that we don't know behind the scenes in terms of where they really were health wise as they work through this, so that could be a factor.
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But again, it still goes back to the top because removing removing rivers from the equation.
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That's that's the hope.
00:13:39
OK, you thought that that was all part of what you were putting together there so that immediately immediately sends up a red flag But let's briefly get back onto Rondo here for a second.
00:13:48
I was starting to think about other Western Conference young teams that you might want to pair him alongside.
00:13:53
Are there any Are there anyone anyone there that you maybe look at and say, Oh, you could land nicely? Uh, I'm saying Young teams, Dallas Mavericks, You know, you know, Is that a nice spot? Where you go? One of the things that even though Luca is big and even though he can operate with the ball in his hand, wouldn't you rather maybe have someone else? E because imagine Luca off ball right on more on more possessions on a larger percentage of possessions? How much would that open things up for the rest of that unit? So can you see any potential for a landing spot like that? Alex is really good.
00:14:27
I like that recommendation a lot.
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I Yeah, that's a That's a really nice fit for them, Um, and because they need us, they just need another ball handler.
00:14:36
And like you look at the market of point guards.
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It's it's not great, like it's it's really not very good you like.
00:14:43
It's weird.
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You look at like Reggie Jackson.
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You're like, Is that really one of the better? It's like the moody is of the world that the what the like D.
00:14:52
J.
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Augustine is like None of these guys air these air like third guards like it's weird.
00:14:57
Like Jordan, Clarkson is one of the better point guards in this market, and he's a weird player, like he's a scoring guard.
00:15:03
That doesn't really do much else for you.
00:15:05
He's really good at scoring.
00:15:06
So he actually makes a lot of sense again on this Lakers broadcast. I did.
00:15:10
We kind of talked a little bit.
00:15:12
I don't know if we did this on air, but we definitely talked after more about Clarkson making sense for the Lakers like he's only gonna fit on a couple of different teams.
00:15:20
But yeah, for like a Dallas team that I think wants to bring in another ball handler, Rondo makes a ton of sense like a ton of sense.
00:15:27
Do do him in Carlisle really wanna be together again after their unceremonious fall out? I'll put it that way.
00:15:37
Probably not, but you never know.
00:15:40
You know what's interesting, too, because even with the Lakers, we talked about Dwight Howard, right? And how well he functioned this year on that team with those stars.
00:15:48
Listen, I'm not gonna label Rajon Rondo in that same way because I think he had a ton of production and you know, the specific situations, Carlisle, where they just butted heads and it wasn't gonna work out, But I wouldn't.
00:16:00
It really depends on who the other players are in a given team, right? So say even Dallas Rondo has to come into that understanding.
00:16:07
The expectation isn't for you, Thio.
00:16:09
Take over a leadership role.
00:16:11
You're almost supposed to be that support player, slash mentor for for Luca, right? Like so Be in his ear, be helping him.
00:16:21
But never get to the place where you're almost dominating from a hey who is the lead dog on this team.
00:16:27
And that is a delicate balance to strike.
00:16:29
So I do think some teams are probably going to examine both sides of that in terms off the positives and leased from a low level drawbacks of bringing in a Rondo and his personality. His mentality.
00:16:40
We talked about Jimmy Butler, right? If you're gonna have that mentality on your team, it has to mesh well with who you have there also different stage of his career. Rondo.
00:16:48
Like when Rondo came there.
00:16:49
That's coming off Boston, where he is the man.
00:16:51
Even in that last year when he was kind of he just looked injury like he was coming off an injury.
00:16:56
Um, you know, he he still had the pedigree of being Rondo.
00:17:01
Like every single, every good.
00:17:02
It was like when Derrick Rose first came back from injury.
00:17:05
Everybody would just, you know, every good game he has is like, Oh, my God, Derrick Rose's back.
00:17:08
It was like a little bit that, but to a lower degree in Boston, um, so for him, like he still got that pedigree of being a guy.
00:17:17
That was really the man there for a couple of years, so I mean, yeah, it's a tricky It's funny, actually, Boston makes kind of a lot of sense for him.
00:17:26
It Brad Wanamaker, I believe, is a free agent this year.
00:17:29
He's 31 kind of know what you got.
00:17:31
I mean, I would assume they probably work out a deal with him.
00:17:33
I think they like him quite a bit, which I think is fine.
00:17:37
But, you know, you look at how they were unable to break this zone really until the end.
00:17:42
And a lot of that's gonna be linear improvement with Jalen and Jason.
00:17:46
But you put him on there and like, that's just a different counter for them.
00:17:50
They bring him in, they bring a big in.
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And that's a different team.
00:17:53
Um, they're they're interesting, so they make a little bit of sense with him.
00:17:58
Let's Ah, pivot completely hard, right? Alright, Thio to a team that everyone is clamoring to hear about and that's the Cleveland Cavaliers as well.
00:18:07
Eso people what the people want.
00:18:11
But I talked about Matthew DellaVedova.
00:18:13
Let's do it Obama s o the other day when we talked about building a Lakers beater.
00:18:18
This isn't what I'm saying about Cleveland, but we always said about, like, bigger bodies, right? So the idea that they have Kevin Love, Drummond Thompson, even Clark Jr.
00:18:28
Who is more length for his position, you obviously drama is gonna hop back in.
00:18:33
But if the premises that Cleveland's gonna bring all these bigger bodies back like there's some stats there that suggests when you have three of these guys on the floor specifically in Thompson, Love and Drummond that over sample sizes they can be somewhat dominant on the offensive end of the floor.
00:18:50
Do you think that that is with maybe some extra pieces getting brought in? I mean, in Cleveland level themselves out.
00:18:57
Can they start to be a more competitive team that was not ready for this pivot Cleveland Cavaliers Pivot.
00:19:03
Wow, I'm taking it back.
00:19:05
Um, Boy, you really put me on the spot here. I have to think.
00:19:12
I mean, Compton free Agent Thompson is a free agent.
00:19:16
I think they're trying Thio bring him back, which is odd.
00:19:20
But, I mean, I guess I guess what they would do with him is bring him back and an drumming and try to flip them at the deadline like that's pretty.
00:19:28
I think that's actually pretty smart for them to dio.
00:19:31
Because no matter what, I think Thompson is gonna be somebody that guys will look at the deadline.
00:19:36
Um, well, and and Drummond's a player option.
00:19:38
So he's kind of deciding whether he's coming back, which, uh, breaking news.
00:19:43
I think he's gonna dio e u enormous amount of money on Yeah, he doesn't want to see what happens.
00:19:49
You know, I have to say, I think Andre Drummond is going to take $28 million or whatever he's owed this next year.
00:19:55
So then let let let's present from that person getting right.
00:19:58
So, organizationally, do you think so? You're talking about at the deadline.
00:20:02
Does it make sense for Cleveland to say, Let's keep all these pieces here? And then let's just assess going forward And maybe even if it's in the vein of rebuilding, we're gonna have some valuable assets come at the trade deadline, as opposed to saying, Hey, can we be a big offense? Can we be a Lakers style? And just in terms of hey, versatile big players, you could technically put Lovat the five times if you needed to.
00:20:26
You could go to the four Drummond.
00:20:28
Obviously, that gets some flexibility around Tristan Thompson.
00:20:30
So you know, and is this may be saying, Yes, you can go big like the Lakers did, but you specifically need to have an Anthony Davis.
00:20:37
You need to have a LeBron James to make it be a functional system as opposed to just look big bodies.
00:20:42
We could be successful with this.
00:20:45
I think that was a little bit of a noisy like not a noisy stat, but like a noisy win loss record when they had that, because I don't know if it's replicable.
00:20:54
The one thing I will say is having dance is like huge for them like and I think Nancy is a guy.
00:20:59
If you're another team and you're like, Gosh, we could really use a guy that can play three through five Um, he makes a ton of sense.
00:21:08
He's not like, excellent, but he's really good and I think he's really underrated and just kind of makes sense if you're a good team.
00:21:15
I liked him when they made the finals, and it was I think I was 2018 when it was really just LeBron in a role.
00:21:22
Players hey was actually pretty good for them, and he's improved as a shooter, So he I think he's pretty key to what they dio.
00:21:30
The one thing I would say is like Rondo makes a little bit of sense for them.
00:21:33
For example, I think they need a tables that are really, really, really desperately andan.
00:21:38
Their wing depth is a little It's a little.
00:21:41
It's a little light.
00:21:42
Like I like Kevin Porter Jr a lot.
00:21:45
I think he's a nice young players showed a lot of things, and he's, you know, explosive.
00:21:51
And there's definitely something there, said he Osman.
00:21:54
I mean, you know, I don't know if you're gonna live on study, Osman, but e think we kind of know where that's going.
00:22:02
It's fine.
00:22:04
They need to improve that position.
00:22:05
They need to get like the Darius Garland and calling ***ton thing.
00:22:10
It's just like I don't know.
00:22:12
That's just two players that are so similar in terms of not their skills, necessarily, but what you're getting from them in terms of how you're running an offense.
00:22:22
So then, as we give a shoutout to Dakota for throwing a foam finger, are yeah, um, what do you What are Tristan Thompson or a Nance Jr pick? Pick one.
00:22:34
Just one guy off the Cleveland Where would you like to see him get moved to a some point to improve another? Another team around the league? I love Larry Nance in Brooklyn.
00:22:44
I love Larry Nance in Brooklyn.
00:22:47
I brought him up.
00:22:48
There's always a reason I bring guys up there.
00:22:50
Random players, Uh, that air usually like weird utility players.
00:22:56
It's usually because I've looked at them as possible.
00:23:00
You know that guy? My God? Yeah, like so.
00:23:04
So he makes sense.
00:23:06
But he's a good player for, you know, a good portion of competitive teams.
00:23:11
He'd be great on the heat.
00:23:12
He'd be create on the Celtics.
00:23:13
There's just a lot of places where he makes sense.
00:23:16
Um, so he's a nice player. Thompson.
00:23:19
If you're looking at teams that could really use a bigger body, you could look at him as an option for the Celtics.
00:23:25
Maybe you bring him in.
00:23:26
He's your starting center.
00:23:27
You look at him as a possible option for the Lakers.
00:23:32
If they really wanted to say, Hey, we don't really want to do the Dwight Howard.
00:23:36
Think again, like we appreciate your efforts, big guy.
00:23:38
But the whole like Batman Robin thing, like we've just had enough, like or Batman Joker, Whatever he did, uh, he made whatever, whatever version of whatever you're doing right now, Dwight Howard, I'm glad that it got us a championship.
00:23:51
We also don't know if we want to run that back a second time.
00:23:53
right.
00:23:54
And like a Dwight Howard that's coming off with, like, Oh, I just want, you know, the championship juju and and feeling himself on.
00:24:01
Do you go only shrinks from there.
00:24:02
Yeah, like, you know, I'm sure it'll be manageable this next year.
00:24:05
So maybe they're like, Yeah, we're good off the Dwight Howard thing.
00:24:07
I think we're gonna pass on this.
00:24:09
He makes a ton of sense for the Clippers.
00:24:11
I mean, if you're looking at a team right now, that just needs a little bit of umph and, you know, like, kind of what you want.
00:24:21
Mantra is Harold to be, I think in a lot of ways, um, it's a Tristan Thompson.
00:24:26
He's switch e he switch e er I don't think he's like he's done it before.
00:24:32
I admitted that I need to, like, refresh on my Tristan Thompson tape.
00:24:37
I've got to tell you, e want to kind of calves minutes in the last weird, because by the way, those two.
00:24:42
So it's like, yeah, I don't wanna have you for for some ****ysis, that mostly no one's been doing on the Cleveland Cavaliers, But it's weird to think about like Tristan Thompson was really someone like was a pretty important player.
00:24:56
And then because he's in Cleveland, it's just like, Hey, almost forget that this guy still out there doing his thing.
00:25:02
Yeah, same thing that I feel about Kevin Love now at this point, was there for that championship with LeBron, obviously.
00:25:07
And now I wonder about him.
00:25:09
And is he just comfortable there and being that guy for that franchise to finish things out? Or do you look at him and wonder who may be still again, who looked at him and says, This is still a bit like, you know, what they turned him into for LeBron on that championship roster is what? I wonder if any team looks at and says, Hey, man, let's just settle you out there.
00:25:30
You don't have to you know, you have to be under the boards, banging bodies anymore like you did as a young man like we can live with what you are on the outside.
00:25:36
The diff offensive deficiencies air probably where it becomes a little bit harder and you just start to probably say, Well, there's a younger version of this out there that does it slightly more athletically than Kevin Love does.
00:25:46
Yeah, I know.
00:25:48
I I like Kevin love so much.
00:25:50
I'm just The second screen is like It's like a really it za power.
00:25:54
I've just never I've never possessed.
00:25:56
You're wondering that one elevating his his technology baseline like you wouldn't believe.
00:26:01
I mean, the budget is just increasing on this show.
00:26:04
We're booming over here.
00:26:06
Oh, no. So he's it.
00:26:08
I had to look this up.
00:26:10
He is a free agent in 2023.
00:26:12
He's owed 31 million.
00:26:15
So it's a declining contract.
00:26:16
Well, it kind of it's a U shaped contract.
00:26:20
That's a unique one.
00:26:21
Um, it's 28 million in 2019 2020.
00:26:23
So it actually started this year for Kevin Love.
00:26:26
Next year it's 31 year.
00:26:28
After that, it's 31.
00:26:29
2 million on.
00:26:31
Then, after that, it goes back down to that 28 million in 2022 2023.
00:26:36
So that and he's 35.
00:26:39
When he comes off that contract, that's tough.
00:26:44
That has got to be one of the worst contracts in the league.
00:26:47
I it's which is too bad because Kevin Love is a sweet player, but he's realistically Mawr of a center, and he just has never protected the rim. He's got short arms.
00:26:59
He's not particularly quick.
00:27:00
Um, God, that stinks.
00:27:02
Because I really like Kevin Love somewhere like I like them.
00:27:06
That's that's right.
00:27:07
It's a hard eso.
00:27:08
Even Brooklyn. Go.
00:27:09
You're gonna pick up 30,000,030 million of Kevin Love like it's a lot to take that on.
00:27:14
I wonder if any team, then again because you also want to see Kevin Love beyond a competitive team, a team that you know is going to be in the playoffs so you could see the his best value on the back of his career.
00:27:23
You wonder if any team can afford to absorb that in a way that also benefits them in the long term, right? So it's like, Well, we're not giving up a ton of assets to Cleveland to take this off your books, But so that's why it's so tricky because, you know, Cleveland is like, What do you wanna give us? I'm like, Well, what we want to give you is capital form of taking $30 million from you, like that's kind of what this is, but not unlike what Chris Paul maybe did for himself this past year with O. K.
00:27:49
C.
00:27:50
And saying, Boy, it's a big number, but he certainly still showed tremendous value.
00:27:53
So now teams look it a little bit differently.
00:27:55
I don't know if Kevin Love gets the opportunity ahead of the trade deadline in this upcoming season.
00:28:01
Toe really showcase enough value where teams are like we eat.
00:28:04
That number may be for a half year rental and you try to flip it again.
00:28:08
And it's just it's unfortunate cause he spent so much of his career just wasting away in Minnesota.
00:28:14
Then finally, you know, finally works his way to a spot where he ends up going to win a championship.
00:28:17
And now it feels like, Okay, now waste away the next four or five years in Cleveland alone.
00:28:21
So it's It's just bad.
00:28:23
I hate seeing good talent go to waste anywhere in the league.
00:28:26
It's funny.
00:28:27
His career is really weird because he's he was really cutting edge like he he was kind of ahead of his time in terms of the shooting threes and, like, you know, kind of playing.
00:28:36
I mean, he was like the, you know, you look at How the heater playing through bam.
00:28:40
And he's like dribble handoff situations like he was great from that high post handoff.
00:28:45
Or or even he's the guy that's receiving handoffs or little chest passes from a short distance from Ricky Rubio.
00:28:52
Uh, you know, back in the day, which is, unfortunately, some basketball and watching my life.
00:28:57
Um, but But, no, I mean mind.
00:29:01
Yeah, but I mean so he was really cutting edge.
00:29:05
Then the league kind of goes away from him and Ryan Anderson's.
00:29:10
And you just kind of need bigs that can defend and really protect the rim, like teams kind of realize, Oh, it's actually really more important to protect the rim, maybe more than anything and and, well, actually, allow some threes, like what will be like? Okay, so that's a real problem for him.
00:29:25
So now he's kind of the almost antiquated big, and it's a weird, weird thing with him.
00:29:32
Okay, we're gonna move.
00:29:33
We're gonna move off in Cleveland, but low level move.
00:29:36
I know.
00:29:37
So sorry.
00:29:38
Sorry.
00:29:39
That low level move, though Miami has cap room with existing Kelly Olynyk with bam out of bio.
00:29:44
Is that a world that Kevin Love maybe would fit kind of into because he could be doing the perimeter shooting and not and being taken away from the responsibility of protecting the rim.
00:29:54
All the smart teams, they're going to keep their books up in for 20.
00:29:57
Yeah, that's the other problem, too.
00:29:59
Right? So there you not wanting to over commit to something the Lakers air keeping their books open, Um, which is something to watch.
00:30:08
So they are going to They have all these 1 to 2 year deals.
00:30:12
They're looking at 2021 e guess the Clippers are to a degree, but that's that's what their stars coming up, which is not what you want.
00:30:21
Eso all these teams.
00:30:22
They're kind of getting ready for that.
00:30:25
That that summer, I think we can say summer.
00:30:29
I think we'll be back to a normal calendar.
00:30:31
Who knows, though.
00:30:32
So in the Raptors to I mean, so it's It's all of these teams they're not really going to take on a Kevin love.
00:30:39
It's tough like if you're one of these guys that's on a bloated contract, unless you're going toe like a Milwaukee or I guess, a L.
00:30:46
A Clippers, where it's like we need to keep our stars happy.
00:30:50
You're probably staying where you are because teams just wanna have that flexibility.
00:30:55
Yeah, so it's tricky.
00:30:56
It's fair.
00:30:57
So we'll keep our eyes on Cleveland quickly over to the Denver Nuggets.
00:31:01
They're talking about running it back, possibly with Grant Plumlee Millsap Craig, obviously in support of their two biggest stars.
00:31:07
Are you comfortable with that? Do you want to see them make a tweak to what the supporting cast is there? Do you? Do you anticipate the Millsap automatically being, you know? Oh, who did bring him back? Because I don't know if his mark it's going to be robust at this stage of his career.
00:31:20
Does it make sense for that? I mean, maybe it's in the same thing of keeping keeping your options open.
00:31:25
Do they try to go short term with a handful of these guys and say, Hey, this worked pretty well for us.
00:31:30
Let's let's give it another run here before we worry about significant changes to what we have.
00:31:36
I think they take if they can upgrade the Gary Harris spot.
00:31:42
And if that meant pairing Michael Porter Jr with him I think that package makes sense for somebody.
00:31:50
And if you need to add extra money like Drew Holiday, for example, if that's what it takes to get through Holiday and maybe a pick or something like that, that's a pretty interesting thing for them and then on on the Republican side.
00:32:03
So So I think that's the spot that they would wanna upgrade.
00:32:06
And maybe you just hope that Gary Harris bounces back.
00:32:10
Um, even though his three point percentages decline pretty much every single year since everybody started talking about him, Um, but I think that's the spot that they do.
00:32:18
You just sort of hope that the progression for Murray is legit and I actually in the camp. I think it is.
00:32:24
So from there, it's just gonna be okay.
00:32:27
Maybe you look to replace the Mason Plumlee spot.
00:32:30
Um, yeah, they they're fine.
00:32:33
I I wouldn't tweak too much with them.
00:32:35
I would just really worry about Grant, which I think they will take care of him and I would keep Millsap.
00:32:41
I would.
00:32:42
If I were them, I would keep him.
00:32:43
I think he makes a lot of sense for them.
00:32:45
He's a big reason that they advanced to the Western Conference finals this year.
00:32:49
Um, that that moment with Marcus Morris, where he's Morris.
00:32:52
Basically, uh, you know, he says some things to him and it lights up Paul Millsap, which is, like, super rare, because Paul Millsap so pretty even tempered Guy, um and and he gets in there.
00:33:02
He is this great Game five and he had some moments, so I would keep him like, Why not let Tory Craig walk? He doesn't make any sense.
00:33:09
You don't need Tory Craig if you have.
00:33:11
If you have Gary Harris, who's going to guard other teams guards? Why do you have Tory Craig, who also is the guy that guards other people's guard because he can't guard Biggs? We saw that in the playoffs, so I don't know.
00:33:20
I think they're they're decisions air really easy this this off season.
00:33:24
Um, and I envy that, almost just having the ability to make really easy decisions look like if you don't even get a better option than Mason Plumlee oil, bring him back.
00:33:33
Fine, that's fine.
00:33:35
Yeah, that's and I guess it's nice for them to not have to really worry about like a Millsap or a plenty like they're not going out there and getting Oh, my God, I'm gonna match.
00:33:44
I'm gonna match big offers that they're seeing there.
00:33:46
So that's also a sweet spot of saying, Hey, you know what? You're we know what your value is to us.
00:33:51
And you also know what your value has been here.
00:33:53
Yeah, it makes it a very easy remarriage in that regard.
00:33:56
So that'll be fun to keep it on a footnote.
00:33:58
Is that Millsap? When I was younger because he's been in the league for a long time, Millsaps always looked bigger.
00:34:06
Then I now see him.
00:34:08
I don't know what e I know.
00:34:10
I in my mind, my mind.
00:34:13
Millsap was one of, like, the bigger guys.
00:34:16
And then when I saw him coming into the floor, watching the bubble and having maybe not been so focused on that team over the season, I was like, Hold on, Paul Millsap.
00:34:24
How you doing, man? Have you been just doing You know, maybe I know he's Benjamin button ing out there.
00:34:28
That's neither here nor yeah, We'll also guarding Anthony Davis like you're like, Oh, wow.
00:34:33
This Well, yes.
00:34:34
Doesn't batch of your like Oh, Paul, switch off, slick off quick eso.
00:34:41
It's been interesting to see some guys that you have in your mind, right? And same thing around like a Kevin Love where you have your perception of him in his early career.
00:34:47
And then when you see him on Cleveland with LeBron, you're like, Oh, this is a very different version of what I perceived you to be early in your career.
00:34:54
Here's the juicy one that I wanted to get you.
00:34:56
I saved the best for last.
00:34:58
You and I touched on Golden State the other day as well, and just saying like Hey, like there's still golden.
00:35:04
There's still the Golden State Warriors.
00:35:05
They still have all of the usual suspects there.
00:35:08
Couple of things.
00:35:09
Um, the There was a handful of rumors out there of what they might dio.
00:35:15
Just yesterday, they said the possibility of what if Golden State was in pursuit of, Let's say, and Aaron Gordon off of Orlando, a really nice two way player that opens.
00:35:25
Something's up for them.
00:35:27
Does that make Does that ring a bell for you? And so and that would involve that second overall pick potentially and maybe, you know, some ancillary pieces get involved there.
00:35:35
Is that a big enough needle mover for you? Or do need to focus May be on a on a big legitimately, you know, a center or a larger piece there to pair with them.
00:35:43
And that kind of dovetails into another interesting speculation.
00:35:48
I think they need that position a little more desperately than people are talking about.
00:35:53
Um, right now, your best wing defender is Andrew Wiggins or Eric Paschal, which perfect.
00:36:02
You're not going Thio.
00:36:03
You're not going to do too much of that right now about so even if you over pay for Aaron Gordon, he's like exactly what you need.
00:36:13
And if you just simplify his role and say, Hey, just just spot up and play in transition When When we force the turnover and and just guard LeBron and Co.
00:36:23
I like guard like you've never guarded before and he's been good.
00:36:26
He's actually.
00:36:27
Two years ago, he was really good against Kawai, like really strong base pushed him off his spots.
00:36:33
Cool.
00:36:34
I was just in a different zone in that in that raptors.
00:36:36
I mean, he was great this year, too, but you know that like he was just making tough shots.
00:36:41
I'm really high on Aaron Gordon as a defender.
00:36:44
Um, I think his role makes a little more sense when he's not next to like the what? The magics best shooter is Vukovic right now.
00:36:53
So if you're next to a Clay Thompson and Steph Curry, Yeah, I would think heavy.
00:36:59
I really would.
00:37:00
And I think if you give Orlando the second overall pick, they'd be silly to say no, that that trade makes a ton of sense.
00:37:09
I really I mean, look, the one that was that was floated forever.
00:37:12
Was the Nets getting Aaron Gordon? It's like it never dies euro sense.
00:37:17
But I mean, it makes some sense.
00:37:18
You bring in a din.
00:37:19
Witty, I guess. He's your point guard.
00:37:21
It's like, Yeah, it's better than than than who they have, Uh, D J. Augustine.
00:37:27
But, you know, I would say like this sort of allows Orlando to rebuild on the fly like that's a really valuable thing for them because I think they want to remain in it.
00:37:38
But they also want to say, Hey, we have Jonathan Isaac.
00:37:42
He's missing a year.
00:37:43
We don't know this year is gonna look like if we subtract Aaron Gordon, but we get a second overall pick and then maybe we're in the lottery or we make the playoffs and whatever.
00:37:50
We lose around one like we do every year.
00:37:52
Um, you know, that's pretty attractive.
00:37:55
So I love that trade.
00:37:56
Personally, I would do it.
00:37:58
You know, it feels a little crazy saying that because it's the second overall pick and you're getting Aaron Gordon, who's been more of a disappointment than a success.
00:38:05
But it's not that good of a draft, and they really need that spot.
00:38:08
So and then you talk about not being that good of a draft second overall, pick the factor of Golden State.
00:38:15
You know they want to be right back in the thick of trying to win this thing.
00:38:18
Three other.
00:38:19
The other angle that's that I was hearing talked about was at that second overall pick and listen, I don't have not dove in order.
00:38:25
I I have not yet dived in.
00:38:27
I haven't looked at the college level players in terms of prospects in the draft.
00:38:31
That one got away from me there.
00:38:32
But there's some.
00:38:34
There are some bigs.
00:38:35
There are some centers that could get talked about high in the draft.
00:38:38
But if you're Golden State, are you trying to bring along a rookie center to get involved in what you want to be a really big year? Popcorn? Dakota? Um, do you it all? So they say, uh, we we know around Philadelphia 70 Sixers.
00:38:53
The obvious choice, everyone says, is you try to move Ben Simmons because and beat is the big He's the guy.
00:39:01
Is there any world where Philadelphia now looks at Simmons between and beaten Simmons and says, we actually just likes him? It may be a health thing when you talk about and be, however, you want to slice it.
00:39:13
Is there any world that the second overall pick and maybe Wigan's or maybe some other pieces can get thrown in direction of the Philadelphia 70 Sixers? To get in bead out to the West Coast and create what would be obviously ah, powerhouse? I mean, you know, and and does and doesn't really function within, because this is this is about as far a field as you can get in terms of speculative ideas or, you know, the possibility of what would make a lot of sense or feel good for Golden State, but can indeed really work in that system with them? Would it have as high a value as, say, and Aaron Gordon and B is clearly a better player on paper than Aaron Gordon, but functionality is Aaron Gordon Ah more suited piece in there.
00:39:54
Could you see any world where that would exist? We're a year away from that.
00:39:58
I think that's my my answer.
00:40:00
I they I don't think they would have brought in Doc Rivers if they were planning to move one of Simmons and Embiid.
00:40:06
I still don't like that team like Doc Rivers isn't going to solve the problem, that they don't have enough shooting and they definitely don't have a closer like that that those air not gonna go away.
00:40:15
You don't just not that into players.
00:40:18
You can't make Tobias Harris a different player like he's just he's not that player, so their problems are the same.
00:40:26
But I think they're trying to ignore those issues and the big way of doing that is bringing the I think 11th winningest coach ever, so that that feels like we're a year away from that.
00:40:39
The obvious move for the Sixers this year and they're going right with the playbook is fire the current e, I guess the existing head coach bringing a new one.
00:40:47
Then maybe from there I would even say they restructure their front office before they do the um although I don't know, because Elton Brand seems like he has a sweet situation there.
00:40:57
He's not set up there, but it is right way.
00:41:00
Blame the coach first.
00:41:01
We say it's not the talent. It's not our players.
00:41:03
It's not the team.
00:41:04
It was just a nexus.
00:41:05
And those thing this guy didn't understand how to best utilize them.
00:41:07
Like you say, Let's bring in one of the best coaches in NBA history.
00:41:10
Let him coach these guys up, and then if that result fails, you're not.
00:41:14
Then you're gonna go to the players right and say, What does this really look like? How do we restructure our team in some way? Yeah, no, it they're being They're being very odd.
00:41:23
They're not being subtle about what they're doing.
00:41:25
I'll say that they're not being subtle about what they're doing.
00:41:29
Uh and yeah, I don't know.
00:41:32
I just I don't think we're there and it'll be fun in a year.
00:41:36
I mean, I guess in a year we're gonna have that free agency class.
00:41:39
And who knows? Like it feels like there's a couple of teams that, let's, let's say Houston loses or Philly or both.
00:41:47
Like, are they? Are they looking at each other like, Yeah, this this isn't gonna happen.
00:41:52
So in that way, I guess it makes it pretty exciting around like, potentially around the trade deadline, like that's where Maybe you're going to see some of these things that I mean to your point, like everyone basically stands, Pat says, Let's see what happens here.
00:42:02
Some teams are looking to find out if it was the coach or is it the players? Is it the pieces, the parts? And then maybe you see some subtle movement there.
00:42:10
Uh, let's let's tie it all back around is I like to Dio, Does Golden State around the trade deadline sniff around any of those players from Cleveland that maybe are movable pieces over there? Does it Tristan Thompson, You know, I won't put love into that mix for all the reasons we mentioned, but if Tristan Thompson is immovable commodity does he may be.
00:42:29
Is there a little bit of a bidding war between the Lakers and Golden State Warriors for a complimentary piece to add in who? Um, you know, if it's a Tristan Thompson, I almost feel like they had just could they? I don't know.
00:42:45
It depends kind of what Tristan Thompson signs for, Right? So I would look at that.
00:42:50
I also wonder if they're gonna go for, like, a Noel, like a Nerlens Noel and free agency, like he makes a little bit of sense for them.
00:42:57
Kind of gives you that.
00:42:59
And I don't know if you I mean, I guess you could start Nerlens noel.
00:43:02
Um, but, you know, you bring him in, he's just adds a lot of shot blocking, which I think they really, really could desperately use.
00:43:10
And then is that guy who is going to be in those lob situations, Especially when you're using Dre money there in that short roller in that transition, um, eso I would look at, I think like Yeah, you're right.
00:43:22
You're dead on it with the Cavs guys.
00:43:24
So they bring back Tristan Thompson.
00:43:26
Yes, that's a trade thing.
00:43:27
or the Warriors just looked straight up.
00:43:29
Sign him this this offseason or you try to look at that type of a mobile.
00:43:33
I think that's the guy they need, because right now they basically worked with marquees.
00:43:37
Chris, who is that essentially, But but doesn't give you much on defense.
00:43:44
I think they'd want that.
00:43:45
That defensive, you know, just acuity.
00:43:49
I think they need that.
00:43:51
Yeah.
00:43:52
So there's a couple that lesson friends.
00:43:53
We get to do this all off season, and we don't even know how long the off season is going to be.
00:43:58
Is there anything else that you were excited about? I didn't get a chance Thio to fully absorb your great content yesterday.
00:44:05
So I get Thio check back in on that on the back end.
00:44:08
Was there anything that particular percolated for you where you went? Okay.
00:44:11
Like, these are some things that you want to keep an eye on going forward Victor Oladipo to the Lakers.
00:44:16
Well, so that was That was like it was a minute.
00:44:22
Yeah, it was minute 50.
00:44:24
He we kind of We hashed through it.
00:44:26
It was just pretty good.
00:44:27
I'm putting up a clip on my Twitter, which you can follow me at that Brooks MBA.
00:44:31
Um, and you could follow Adam, is it just your name? Right on there.
00:44:35
Interesting underscore.
00:44:36
Now, just out of money.
00:44:37
I don't even bother with all the nonsense.
00:44:39
If you have a wacky straight up name, then you get to you get to really You just utilize it across last s o jealous.
00:44:46
Yeah.
00:44:47
Don't Don't have that luxury.
00:44:48
Um, so yeah, Go follow the both of us.
00:44:51
Uh, so basically, what was I saying? Oh, the Oladipo thing is, they He's a guy that they may look at in free agency.
00:45:02
And we kind of talked about Okay, Like, maybe you're not super high on Danny Green for 15 million.
00:45:07
And you look at that.
00:45:09
Him and cousin, I think, is a package that they might sniff around a little bit Like Alex.
00:45:15
Regular was saying that if they wanted Thio, they could take the flyer on all the Depo, bring him in.
00:45:24
At the very least, you're going to get the same level of defensive intensity from Oladipo.
00:45:29
And maybe maybe you're able to get him in there.
00:45:33
He sees this Lakers culture.
00:45:34
You have your third star you work that out on.
00:45:38
I don't know about a team friendly deal, but friendly ordeal.
00:45:41
That's pretty interesting because I've spent, I've I've spent more hours than I'd like to share, trying to figure out where Oladipo makes sense.
00:45:47
I've looked at Utah.
00:45:49
I've looked like I've looked ever and like, it's just I looked at the Timberwolves for him.
00:45:55
So is he gonna Is he gonna her as he hurt his value in terms of the Pacers offered him a four year, $80 million extension, was essentially duplicating his initial contract he had with them.
00:46:08
He felt like he was worth MAWR.
00:46:10
He was coming off the injury.
00:46:11
When he gets down free agency, he's not getting.
00:46:14
He's not clear in 20 year.
00:46:16
Willie.
00:46:17
I mean, it's not, I don't know it would be around that.
00:46:20
Yeah, I mean, I think there's still a lot of pedigree with him, but after like if he has another year like he just did, I wouldn't I wouldn't come anywhere close with 20 million.
00:46:31
I would I would maybe have that and be like here's 10 million like I don't That's a pretty big loss for him.
00:46:39
so the other thing for him is like I think he knows he needs to go to a team where there is a little bit of structure and a little bit of like bubble wrap for him.
00:46:52
So that's why the Lakers make a ton of sense.
00:46:55
You already have your two stars.
00:46:56
You're not looking at him to be like your go to scorer night tonight.
00:46:59
If he could grow into that.
00:47:01
I mean, that's awesome.
00:47:02
And, you know, that's just more exposure like that.
00:47:06
They're going to go deep in the playoffs.
00:47:07
If he's good for them, the KCP is going to turn down his player option to go try to get.
00:47:14
I mean, he and his player option is for, like, 8.
00:47:15
5 million.
00:47:17
It's not a small contract in this.
00:47:19
In this class of free agents, he's probably going to turn it down and see what he could get.
00:47:23
So I don't know, and I would do it for him and interesting to think about right? So say you don't even sign a long term deal with the Lakers.
00:47:32
You go two years sample sized, then once you get through it, you allow the Lakers to look at it and see how that relationship is formed.
00:47:38
And then you can still look at the big picture even beyond LeBron James when he retires in seven years, you know, but you could always look beyond at how that complements with a D and how you'll continue to build their so he may be able to find a new home for himself and in general, around the n b A.
00:47:53
For Victor Oladipo, not the Pacers aren't bad one organization by any stretch.
00:47:57
But you, you know, you start to value things differently when you talk about coming off of an injury.
00:48:03
Long term longevity chances toe win.
00:48:06
And I think Oladipo is entering that sweet spot from UNAIDS standpoint.
00:48:10
Coming off injury, looking to make a reasonable salary, looking to be protected looking toe have bigger, better players around him.
00:48:17
That makes his role easier to be even more effective at.
00:48:20
And that's what that's where I think he can.
00:48:22
Maybe I'll treat I'm a bill again if it if the Lakers do that.
00:48:27
And Oladipo even represented I said this before about him just his defensive upside.
00:48:32
If he does that for the Lakers, I'm gonna be hard pressed to look at teams that are going to challenge them next year.
00:48:39
I just don't know what the downside is like, What's the difference between all the depot at this point and Danny Green in a year? I don't think it's that big.
00:48:47
Cozma's a weird player for them that I felt like they can replace this this offseason like, Yeah, he was better defensively, but he had some of the worst close outs.
00:48:59
I still can think about a couple of those like four point plays that he'll like, I don't know.
00:49:03
I mean, he's good from the corners and he makes he's a good player, but I don't know.
00:49:09
I don't market stay there, though.
00:49:10
By the way, if you're Kuzma, you wanna hang on desperately to being in uh, like, you know, your your biggest mistake is is trying to over over value yourself and get out there on the market and then find yourself on a bad team where you may be putting up better numbers.
00:49:24
You know, doing the Kevin Love treatment in Minnesota, where you have these inflated numbers and yeah, because you're winning 15 games this year, you know who knows? Name, name, Team X.
00:49:34
That's just gonna have a really bad season.
00:49:36
If I were him, I would route to go to Indiana like I would be like, This is great.
00:49:39
Like I'm gonna be there.
00:49:40
Score because I don't know their scoring is gonna be Sabonis, obviously.
00:49:44
But Sabonis is a little bit more of like a Yokich playmaker finding guys Brogden.
00:49:49
And then and then where else? Where else is the scorn like he's got a pretty nice opportunity there.
00:49:54
They can play really big, which is cool because he's a bigger player.
00:49:58
He's 6 ft nine.
00:49:59
So you have him.
00:50:00
I don't know.
00:50:01
Turner might get traded this this offseason to another Warriors target.
00:50:05
That is very interesting for them or a Rockets target.
00:50:09
I think he makes a little bit of sense just so they could play five out.
00:50:12
Is Turner one of them, or undervalued players? Maybe just because of where he played Turner e.
00:50:19
I am so out on Myles Turner and I don't know why exactly.
00:50:25
He's a guy that you look at the like, the three point numbers.
00:50:29
You look at the blocks and you're like, This is awesome.
00:50:31
like this guy's such a great like every team needs this guy, but he doesn't do anything on offense other than spot up almost to a fault and and on Lee, do pick and pop like he doesn't roll.
00:50:44
Ever, ever, ever, ever, And it's it's it doesn't add much at all.
00:50:49
Now, if you're the Rockets, that makes a lot of sense because you're like, we're we don't even play that much pick and roll anymore.
00:50:54
And, honestly, we're just gonna bring Jeff Green back.
00:50:56
He'll be our role guy with Harden who, and he was great at it this year.
00:51:01
So he makes a little bit of sense there.
00:51:02
But the other thing that he doesn't do well at all this rebound.
00:51:05
God, look, I can't rebound.
00:51:07
It's like it's so bad, like people killed don't really close.
00:51:11
You don't read particularly well.
00:51:13
We'd love guard.
00:51:15
Yeah, it's like he's a guard that blocked shots like he's like Dwyane Wade.
00:51:20
But without the star power e don't know why I just think that out.
00:51:25
No, no, no.
00:51:26
It's like what could be more ****ing to Turner to compare him to someone so drastically different from yeah, like Wait wait.
00:51:36
It's kind of a guard in a lot of ways, Not great.
00:51:39
So way could go.
00:51:42
We could go for another hour.
00:51:44
We're not gonna do it, though.
00:51:45
Maybe we will touch back in together tomorrow and get into some MAWR net specific stuff on the w g N.
00:51:52
Because there is a lot of things that I would like to dive into their obviously some news around coaching potentially on that side of things.
00:51:58
What things as well.
00:51:59
But we'll save it.
00:52:01
Let's let's save it for the people.
00:52:03
As Matt mentioned, you can check him out over on at Matt Brooks, N B.
00:52:07
A.
00:52:08
On social media, You can back slash Matt Brooks here on SportsCastr You get back slash out of Margaret if you want the SportsCastr hashtag s c n n b A is where you can get both of us.
00:52:18
You can also get Keith McPherson and Simeon Russell, and everybody else is doing some great content Here is well, covering the off season for the MBA.
00:52:25
Anything else you want the people to know, Mr Brooks? I'm good.
00:52:30
I'm thinking about my I'm good.
00:52:32
I'm actually I don't I don't have anything to plug Fridays in my days where I'm figuring out who's coming on next week.
00:52:38
So So I guess you'll know by Tuesday.
00:52:41
We go out on Tuesdays 10 o'clock, 10 p.m.
00:52:45
Eastern standard time, so I'll probably have some announcements then.
00:52:48
But now, right now, I mean, maybe we'll have a Cavs guy on since we did someone here, we owe proposed trade.
00:52:54
That will be my dream now that I've piqued your interest another extra big time.
00:52:58
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00:53:02
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