again on another beautiful Wednesday night with with the Craft and Lyman showed.
And today we have a special guests Justin McRae from the Atlanta Falcons.
Man, what's going on, man? But it is what it is.
Appreciate it, Julia.
I appreciate you for those that don't know myself.
Joey and Justin all played together at UCF where we, you know, we was the best team to come out of UCF.
Man way wanted Fiesta Bowl one went to bowl game just about every year, I think, except for one.
Um, but, you know, we did some things that you see, f man change the culture.
And, man, I'm happy to have him on here to kind of help you guys learn a little bit about himself.
His story, what it takes to get to that next level and what it takes to stay there.
So, man, before we get started, man, just tell the audience a little bit about yourself, so, uh, like like Tonia said, we, uh we all went to school that you see me and told them both from Miami, I played a South Ridge Miami southwards down there.
Um, came to school.
Three star recruit, Um, and me, my twin brother George predatory.
And we just We just started working our way up soon as we got to school from black jerseys to second team the starters.
I want to kind of go back a little bit because I'm gonna have some guys on here, um, watching.
And, you know, a lot of them are not being recruited highly.
Ah, lot of them are three stars, two stars, one star man.
So what advice do you have a guy that you give a guy who's a three star who feels, you know, he's not getting the recognition he deserves? I mean, honestly, man, are you need is one shot.
You need one team.
I mean, uh, my brother and I, we had we wasn't like Tory in Tory had 60 offers.
You feel me best Best line, One of the best linemen in the country.
Way have We didn't have all that.
We had an offer from you see up on the offer from F a U.
And all you need is a chance.
I mean, no matter where you go, if you can play, they're gonna find you.
And that goes where the high school going to college? College? Going approach? Exactly.
You guys asking that constantly asked me about Size.
Asked me about not being recruited highly.
It doesn't matter, man.
You can't goto 30 schools.
All you can do is go toe one.
All you need is one opportunity.
Um, for that food to take cancer, man.
Alright, so kind of moving forward.
So now you played for the falcons, right? You plan for the focus.
Now, pay for Green Bay.
Um, played for the Titans is well, so you know, you transition into these different teams.
Um, So what What is it like going from Green Bay to like? And Atlanta Falcons, like team wise, chemistry wise.
Watch. Just hold on.
Um, or city wise? Definitely.
Just to different to different, totally different places.
I mean, green bag get cold in the summer.
So that's That's one thing you gotta get used to their But, like, I feel like I'm in in I want to.
I've been in four organizations Now.
Everyone's a little different.
Everyone feels a little different.
Um, I say that the main difference is just, um I mean, in Green Bay, there ain't nothing to do.
There's only Onley football.
You got a casino out there? That's about it.
But but every every place has a different sort of feel that different sort of history when it comes to like stepping in the building.
And I think that's the main.
The main difference just knowing where you are.
So now I understand What the same question.
Um, four different organizations for different environments for different playbooks.
What What would you say is probably the hardest adjustment As far as with the team, Like the organization, I think the hardest I mean, because everybody pretty much everybody, pretty much doing the same thing.
I think it's just like memorizing and getting new verb is down is the always for different things.
And, uh, the main thing I'm learning something there like I was in Green Bay for 2.
And the cause, they're like, I just we're just taking nature.
I feel like the main thing is I'm learning no so that you can put the new information in when you get to a new team like a When I went from last year from Green Bay to Cleveland, it was I got traded, Um, right before the season started.
So my mind going into that first game in Cleveland, I still had all Oliver Bage, all the calls, all the plays that I was in Green Bay for that camp.
And it's sort of like, you know, we're not doing that here.
So I got a erase that from my mind and learn something totally new, just which is a little.
It's a little difficult.
Just just take a little more time, little more patience for you to get the playbook and stuff like that, Okay? I mean, that is that's true, man.
Because I know I know going to different organizations, man.
You hearing different things and and, uh, you know, for the most part, you know, football is football.
You know what I'm saying? Football, football.
But, you know, like you said, the verb is is different.
Somebody might call something one thing, and then, you know, you get to another team, they call it a whole different thing.
So the different.
Yeah, So I definitely understand that.
So most most people want to know this question, and I know I definitely want to know this question to because I never experienced it.
I don't think nobody ever experienced it.
So what was like, What is the environment right now with Cove? It, you know, playing in the stance and all that stuff.
So what's the What's the What's the environment like right now? Well, it Z I mean, it's totally different.
I mean, everything if you if you don't have to be around somebody, you're probably not going to be.
A lot of a lot of meetings and stuff are virtual.
I mean, we've been doing a lot of simulcast things like that, and, uh, you still get the same information and it's feel totally different.
I mean, you in the room by yourself and you can hear everybody you could Still in Iraq.
You could still ask questions, but it's just It's not like, you know, like in school, you'd have the left tackles, the next left guards and into the center.
You're just in the room by yourself.
Pretty much I am the games is the most weird part.
Honestly, it's just like you can hear.
You can hear everything going on they cause they they make a big play on on their side, they turning up.
You get mad because you can hear everything going on over there and it's the same thing when we make a good play, but just going to games and not really being able to see anybody.
But But I think last last home game we had, we had friends and families, but so they're still only about 100 people in the stands.
So it was like it za major difference, right? And that and this crazy man.
Because, you know, being a football player, we feed off the off the fan.
Yeah, you feed off that.
You need to hear that cover.
And I think they're starting to do a little more crowd North.
So it sort of sounds like this.
It's people there.
But when you actually look there and take your little glance, you realize, ain't nobody there they just pumping music in the stadium, right? But it's a it Z different, but it's still the same at the at the same time, and it's still like you still get that same same little jitters before the game, like it's still like you still going against somebody different? It ain't like practice and stuff, So a lot of is different.
But the court thing is, the main thing is, I think they pretty much the same, though.
So yeah, and and and that's the That's another thing, too.
Is that you know, you at home.
You know, you you want your crowd there for that home field advantage.
You know what I'm saying? And now and now it's like, Okay, it's just another.
Another game, a game, everybody.
Everybody playing the same thing.
That's crazy, man.
So, what is it? What What's the What's the chemistry? Like, um, in the office of line room right now.
Man, I know you got some talk, guys.
Man, That's, uh, that's playing right now with you guys.
So what is the chemistry, like all the veterans kind of, you know, they walk him in.
Yeah, I think I think that's what That's one of the best things about our room like, Well, I've been a lot of rooms in the room, just sort of jail together.
It's a whole bunch of different different guys.
Different upbringings, different different schools, different, uh, different ways that got into the league first round pick, 2nd, 3rd free agents like myself, but I think the guys work well together.
We care about each other, and that's the main thing.
The main thing you just everybody wants to see.
Everybody do well, no matter who who's in there playing or what time of practice it is or what time of game it is.
I think everybody wants genuinely wants the best for each other.
I think that's that's what brings about the best rooms.
Okay, so so kind of piggybacking off what you said.
So you went, you went free agent.
So, you know, for for the guys that's listening for the viewers, that's listening.
So being a free agent obviously means, you know, you don't get drafted and you know, for you is like seeing you go from the tight ends to where you at now, man, you always play with that chip on your shoulder.
So eso So what is it like What? What motivates you? What? What gets you going? Like, what drives you? Because right now, at this point, man, you know, for both guys, free agent, you're not supposed to be in the league right now.
Still, you know what I mean? Like, you know, you're you're already beating the odds.
So what? What motivates you? What gets you going, I think, Honestly, man, just, uh I was I was a free agent of Tennessee's, and I was I got released and I was out for two years, and I always remember whenever I could watch games.
Always used to think that I know I could do this like I know I I should be out there playing. I know I could.
I could be successful in this league, and it would It would make me mad when I wasn't here.
And then Now I think the main thing is right now, I just think about how I felt when I wasn't playing, like when I wasn't in the league when I was just working out and I didn't know when I was gonna get my next shot.
But I was working out for another shot, and I remember just how how frustrated I was then and when I actually got a chance to prove myself in the league and what I did.
I know I can keep getting better, e.
I think that's the main thing.
Just looking at how I was when I first went to Tennessee and how I play now and just seeing the growth from just knowing I could keep getting better.
Like that thing.
That's the main thing that keep pushing me because I never You're never gonna know what your limit is.
You headed, and I don't I don't think I'm never gonna get it.
So just keep pushing till I get keep getting better.
There we go, man.
That and that's really man, like, playing ball or do whatever your purpose is in life.
Man, you have to have that self motivation you have tow.
Find that drive.
You have to find that purpose.
You have to find out why, man.
And obviously, you know, you found that and you continuing to build off of that.
And for all the guys that's listening for all the listeners, man, find your purpose.
Find the water of why you want to do whatever you want to do in life, man.
Um, let's kind of transition a little bit.
Now, let's talk a little bit about ball.
All right, So, uh, being officer line.
What? What is your opinion like? Give me your opinion on the most important step in past in Pass Pro Show you.
I think for me it depends on because I play.
I play a little center.
Little garden, little tackle.
I feel like get into your spot, um, under control and ready to fight pretty much ever.
I feel like pass protection is a fight.
Um, first contact usually wins.
So I feel like getting to your spot in your spot could change depending.
On what? Where you set into, Like, if I'm a garden.
I'm saying the three technique my spot gonna be different than when I'm a guard setting a full I or I'm a garden.
I'm saying the two i o r on them and slide.
So I just think, just knowing what your what Your what you're trying to accomplish and knowing where your help is or if you don't have any help.
It all just knowing knowing what? Get to your spot and be ready to fight before the other guy is right, and yeah, I mean, I definitely agree on that man.
And getting out of your stand is getting to that spot, um, is truly important.
You know, it is huge because you want to dictate the rush.
You don't want to rush to dictate the way you set, you know.
So the day to a lot of times, if you let the rush dictate, like, way athletes over here in the old line.
But them boys, real athletes on the deal, and if you let them dictate where they want to go and what they want to hit, it's easier.
It's it's easier to get to a spot and do what you want to do than to react to what they're doing, eh? So I figure you might as well start to fight every time it's a game, the game within the game to though.
You don't wanna just be throwing, throwing, throwing hands, throwing hands and becoming like and then become a repetitive because they're gonna be on that, too, and then know that he takes two kicks and punches and then so they're gonna take two steps and swipe.
So it's just it's like a mind game.
It's a game within the game as well, too.
It's like his chest.
It's chapters chest.
It is definitely chats, man in.
You know, when I when I trained guys all the time.
E tell guys all the time you are like that.
He's watching you when he goes to the sideline.
He has little iPad, and he's saying exactly what you're doing, right? If you right. Exactly.
If he constantly saying, like you said okay, on two steps.
He does this on three.
Step. He does this on one step. He does this.
Okay, I'm gonna go back, and now I'm a time it up for him.
That's why I think Aaron Donald, right now is is destroying people.
Because he got a beat on all of his office alignment.
Everyone he faced Emily facing and all of his Russia's he's dictated.
He's like, I think guys get a little they might get to their spotter and end up throwing their hands wide like this.
Like that Ain't that ain't something you never do.
Supposed to be a chest up.
And now he just swinging you everywhere.
Now he it's I think it's more, you know, how are we supposed to know exactly what we're doing? E think every play he has, he has a plan.
He goes with his plan.
And then if if his plan shouldn't work, which not which majority of time to do.
He's just playing off.
Playing off of what? The Lima Gibson, right? Exactly.
And then be honest.
That's why he's on another level, man.
It's on the level of another level and to sitting on the couch talking about it.
It sounds like it's easy to defeat way just talking, but, like it ain't I'm not trying to say that that is easy by any means, but it's just, uh, that's just what I see with it.
So I know we talked about.
We talked about being in the four I well, first off, let's let's go back a little bit because we have We have some college guys on here, but we also have some high school as well.
So let's go back a little bit.
Let's talk about three tech four I five kind of where data lines on you.
So right now, if Europe are at right guard right now, where would that three tech in line on you? Three tech would be like, right? Right here.
So his his inside hand would be on my outside foot, so right, right, lined up, right over my right shoulder.
That would be a three technique.
And when I say four I that's more that's more of, Ah, inside shade on the tackle.
So he's a little bit wider, but relatively in the same gap, but a little bit wider.
So you have to change the set up just just because of the distance.
Not one when setting before I opposed to setting the three you don't wanna.
You don't wanna set Mawr horizontally because that's just giving them a bigger age gap.
If you all can picture that, giving them a bigger A got Thio to play with, I'm thinking Mawr oh, Mawr at an angle, more depth and more angle.
So he has because eventually he's gonna have to come to me eventually.
If I cut off his point and that's that's getting my spot right and that that's a great point and definitely great advice, man.
At the end of the day, you make sure you stay inside out.
He has to come back to you.
He always have to come back to you always so that pretty much take care of my next question.
Because, um, that was one thing where my next question was pretty much, you know, what are you King? So when you when you're taking your set, what do you key like? Are you kidding his foot? Are you caring his? Uh, it's telling you, Shoulder, what are you looking at when you're taking the set it? Well, for the most part, I'm looking at where I want to strike.
Okay, So whether whether it be inside hand or outside hand or if I want to take a shot and throw both my hands, I'm looking at where I wanna punch.
So if I know if I know it's a guy that so if I know if it's a guy that's wide and when he gets wide, he runs t es and runs games, I'm trying to punch that inside shoulder to disrupt where he's trying to go.
If I go, if I know I got a bull guy, I'm trying to punch his numbers and and latch on and absorb the bull.
It just depends on who I'm going against and what and what what exactly I'm trying to do but not in time to pretend I'm just trying trying to punch somewhere where I know it's gonna disrupt the rush.
Like, make him go toe to his second option or his third option.
Or sometimes guys don't have 2nd 3rd option.
So if you get a good punch, they pretty much just ready to jump trying back the ball down.
So that's a win for me, right? Okay, so let's do this.
So, um, tell me, tell me, really the difference.
So So in your mind, when you add guard and you're at tackle right to different positions, so are you.
Kind of can the same thing when you at tackle, or is it mawr? Ah, single handwork.
A tackle is I definitely says more, more independent and more single work because just because of the alignments of tackles, if you get a five or why nine is usually a lot more space out there.
Eso as opposed to being a guard.
If you take a If you take a set, get to your spot in the three techniques coming up the field, you pretty much on you.
It's time to fight, right? You might be 23 kicks in before you even touch, touch a defensive end five technique or not.
So I think it's more more hand games and more just knowing, having spatial awareness to know what? What could hurt you or what your strengths are, what your strengths are and what could hurt you from from your weaknesses.
When I'm at, I got I got I got center arms.
I don't have that much limp right before anything happens before anything happens.
I'm trying to get them to show a move.
So I might my bait flash with this hand, or I might like, just throw this one out here.
Hey, I'm I just throw this one out here, but guard I'm not really trying to do too much of that because, uh, if I flash and the guys thinking boy, I'm already stuck, I'm There's no power in my hand right now, right? No.
And for those for those listening, man, it's it's crazy because Justin played tackle in the NFL, man.
And you know, he's 6364 And like he said, you know, he got center arms.
So for him to be a tackle and actually start, you know, get games under his belt and starting that tackle to man that right there It speaks value, man.
For those that's listening, you know, you get to the league and you have a certain measurement.
They try to stick you at one position and for him to play, you know, different positions.
That's definitely by name of his work ethic.
All right, let's let's transition a little bit to the run game.
Now we're gonna We're gonna talk a little run game technique a little bit.
So when you go that let's talk a little bit about power.
All right, let's start off with power first.
So when you running power right now and you're the puller are more of a skip full or open pull and let me know why I'm more of a I'm more open full.
I can't Honestly, I can't remember the last time I really skip forward for real just because I don't like I don't I don't like the thought of my feet crossing being crossed up, because that's that's when you the least the least powerful is when your feet air together or when your feet across stuff.
So I like the open pool and I'm trying.
I'm thinking, Stay low in my pool and stays tight to the line of scrimmage as I can.
That way I'm not.
I can't get beat underneath the back or surprising me or anything like that.
And I'm thinking, uh, the low man wins.
I mean, the backers are already pretty much standing up.
So if I'm lower than you and I weigh more than you, I should win.
I should win that nine times out of 10.
So that's what I'm thinking.
They say my dad, my dad, was my online coaching in high school, and he always said, Grab, grab a blade of grass on their way Now you ain't really gonna grab your grass, but but like that keeps your shoulders square, keep your shoulders, ends up getting your shoulders back upfield once you once you get around that deuce block, right and that and that's big to man because I definitely I definitely understand that because watching the NFL, you really don't see a lot of skip, you know.
And it's true because the game is happening so fast, you don't have time to cross over and then try to get back square.
You know, by that time you got you got a guy coming down here like Lavonte David who's coming down here? You don't You don't have timeto to get back square squared up.
Uh, you need to be ready to fight.
And if you're trying to undo your feet, you ain't ready to fight yet.
Exactly. You're gonna be on somebody holiday Take.
So staying with us.
So staying with the double teams.
So let's go to the Deuce Block.
You just mentioned the deuce block.
So for those that don't know when I say Deuce Block, that is the double team.
So that's a double team.
If I'm at guards, the double team between the garden, the tackle.
So if you're the guard right now, eh? So give me your technique on on the double team.
But if I'm at either guard, I'm think I'm taking a trigger step with my inside foot to get a little power.
And I'm thinking, throw my foot 66 inches, Eight inches, My other foot Vertical, 68 inches.
And I'm trying to get a man into the into the into the three technique so that if I take up too much, I'm not letting my tackle work.
If I take up too little, then I'm gonna get splitting and we're gonna have a bad place.
So I'm trying to get much.
Is much vertical push as I can, and then the tackle.
I'm hoping that he come and crush and get some some, uh, horizontal displacement.
And in that way, we got some good movement.
Make a good gap for that.
So gods getting is the biggest thing.
You want to start to fight your tackle, He's coming to clean up.
He's cleaning up the work.
But you being the guard, what you can do is be you can't get collapsed.
He and just like Justin mentioned, you can't get split because that right there is gonna cause for a disaster hurt.
Usually, I've got a 10 to I'm thinking there's another thing about a deuce block.
You you're responsible for any A got run through it, something run through.
Even it's not your guy who's who you were supposed to be going to you You got to get him.
So that's why I never tried toe.
I never try toe, get my my inside hand in the block.
So if I'm at I'm at right guard doing the deuce block, I never try and let my left hand get in the block with three techniques.
That way, if something does run through my gap that I could at least throw a chicken wing or last resort, just try and get my body in front of it.
So So the player can at least get a chance to pull it.
Can adjust after that, you know? I mean, okay, definitely.
So staying with the run game.
So stand with the run game our insides on.
I actually brought me inside his home.
We're gonna talk front side, and we're gonna talk back side.
So, um, still you could guard or tackle? Doesn't matter.
Three or five either or you on the front side.
Um what What's your mindset? What are you going through? What's your technique? What do you run me through that quick? So right now, if I'm If I'm on inside zone and the power the power of most inside zone place of the combination on the back side, a lot of inside zone plays end up cutting back behind those eight blocks of those be blocks or sometimes even see blocks.
Eso I'm thinking on the front side I'm thinking knocking The media showed out if I'm so if I'm a a right guard, I got a three technique.
I'm trying to get his shoulder and knock it out without without throwing my butt in the hole and create a much, much horizontal displacement I can without Without being 22 loops on the block.
I'm thinking, I'm thinking my first my first step would be my right step and I'm thinking to put it six inches.
Right, right, Right down this crotch in the second step should be six inches, right? Thio up the field.
That way I could knock his inside shoulder out and I get a little get a little movement.
So when you say knock his shoulder, are you talking about almost like a chocolate? Yeah, like his inside shoulder.
Like I'm aiming my my my face mask.
I'm trying to put my face mask right under his chin.
Pretty much I ain't gonna lie his chin and I'm knocking his inside showed the out because he got, He got that From time to time, he's gonna have that big gap, and he's gonna wanna keep that big ass so I can threaten a little bit with with how hard I come off the ball.
But knowing I can't knowing the worst place, I could get beatings inside.
Okay, so yeah, so So. Definitely.
So you guys listening insights on the biggest thing is protecting the cut back.
So now, so pretty much We pretty much talked about it.
So, being on the backside, the biggest thing is making sure that you displace this guy, just in case if it is a cutback.
Okay, pretty much, pretty much.
I'm thinking, uh, trigger lead on the back side.
If I'm the postman, I'm thinking a trigger step in, getting vertical, trying to get some vertical displacement knowing that that I need to get off.
If I'm the postman, I need to get off that back.
Or if he if he shoots and if he plays a place back, I have I have my, uh, my outside hand in and I could bring back so the tackle could get on them.
Okay, Okay, so I hope you guys listening.
And I hope you guys listening.
All right? We're talking technique right here.
We're giving you guys the game right now, man.
You know, it's free.
It's free game right now, as they say.
So now, transitioning toe a little bit of outside? I don't know.
I talked a little bit outside on.
Alright, So front side outsides on talk to me about that technique the front side of outsiders on.
I'm trying to threaten.
I'm trying to threaten, either.
I'm trying to capture that gap.
I'm trying to threaten that.
I'm going to capture the get Yeah, So if I understand the tackle attack, I got a five technique open start no title next to me, and I'm outside on reach.
I don't necessarily have to reach that five technique because nine times out of 10 they're not going to.
The alignment is not gonna let me.
And if I do that, I'm gonna I'm gonna be too loose on the block.
So if I throw my hat to the place side number and wrenched my inside hand and, um, in the block and I'm running toward the sideline with that five technique he's gonna widen with because at the end of the day he has contained that's his gap.
He can't lose that gap.
He can't get reached.
But as I'm as he's not trying to get reached, I'm creating a lot of horizontal displacement, opening up a running legs.
So that's that's That's how that's how I feel about that at guard, tackle center.
I'm always trying to threaten, threaten that that place I gap because nine times out of 10 that's what that's what Gap that defender has, right? And then that running back, that running back is watching that as well.
So that's letting him know whether or not he needs toe running back.
Running back is gonna make me right, because if I stretch it enough running back and make it can make a little cut.
You know how they be doing that little cut like they're going outside and then put their foot in the ground and get north and it is he gonna get touched because my inside here and strong assuming that guy tries to retrace back inside with the running back, I just extend.
Is that in my hand? No, Um, we asked pretty much is threatening that gap.
Okay, so now on the backside.
So so is the terminology the same? Because you remember when we play together, it was stretched the front side cut off the back side.
Okay, so it's the same thing.
So So So what that means is, you know, for for everyone that's listening, you know, front side.
You want to stretch it out, right? You wanna you wanna string it out some day on the backside, you wanna cut off because you want to give that running back three ways.
You want to give that guy that either toe bounce it out to cut inside or to cut it back? You know, cut it back side.
So if you're on the backside and you're dealing with, uh, let's say a guy who's ah ah, three tech, right? He's in the three.
All right, on the back side.
So So what is your technique with that? So are you just giving a handing trying to get what's the technique? I think it all depends to me on the location of the linebacker that I'm going to So if I'm not, if I'm not saying my left guard and I got a three technique over my left shoulder and the backers in the A gap, the only thing I could get that tackle is a hand and try and turn that three techniques shoulder.
But I got to get on my horse to try and get this linebacker.
That's already plus in front of me.
If the linebackers behind the three technique I'm thinking, get vertical, I'm thinking almost almost like like inside zone.
I probably won't throw shoulder in there, but I'm thinking like a trigger step and throwing my hand as hard as I can.
Vertical to get that three technical, turn the shoulder and so that the tackle can collect them and I can't get to my backup.
So that's good technique for all you guys listening, man.
The linebacker determines you're your your gate. Wait.
The linebacker determines whether or not you have to stay thick on it, or whether you gotta get on your horse and you gotta go.
All right, um, so that that's definitely that's definitely great insight for for everyone That's listening.
Now, what I want now I wanna have a little fun now.
Wanna have a little fun? So you have you have you? You're a head coach right now.
All right, this is scenario your head coach right now, and you have to pick five linemen.
So left tackle, left guard.
Center right guard. Right tackle.
Who's your father? Um, first name that came to my mind already already.
Know my son is gonna be Alex Mack.
God, Alex, the truth.
I'll probably say Alex at center left tackle.
I'd have to say Bachtiar e, I'll guarantee Green Bay.
Okay, left guard.
I feel like I got the first name. Came to my mind.
Was Was Nelson Quinn. Nelson.
Um, right guard Zack Martin.
Been a staple for so long.
I feel like Zack Martin, or it's another.
It's another dude.
I'm in Cleveland right now is playing really good ball.
Wyatt Teller, right guard out there playing really good.
And then right tackle.
Mm e, I gotta think.
Yeah, Yeah, my bed long.
Yeah, I'm drawing a blank right now.
Right that right now.
And it could be, to be honest, it could be any type.
We don't even have to be specific.
You know, everybody bounce around, so it could just be a tackle.
I think a lot blogging nights out there in, in in, uh, in L A. The charges.
Okay, that's my I got bucks.
Nelson, Mac, Zach or white And then blogger.
Okay, So if I had to choose minds, right, but had to choose minds right now question.
Right now my saying What would have to be Kelsey? I have to I have to write with Chelsea right now.
Uh, my guard, My guard would be, uh, quitting.
I would definitely be quoting and, uh, my other dog, I agree with you.
Zack Martin is definitely one.
Uh, now when it when it comes to my right tackle, who's playing, who's playing pretty good right now who I'm liking right now.
Well, actually, I can't even say about this year.
But last year, Trent Williams.
I'm not Trent Williams.
Uh, Trent Brown.
And then I also like the young kid Titus Howard like, Yeah, I'm liking him right now.
He's doing He's doing pretty good, But my left tiger, that's the hardest.
That that right now is the hardest right now from them.
There's so many good left.
So many good ones.
You know, I'm torn between Laramie Tunsil.
Um uh, what is it about, uh, Back T r e? He's a good one.
You know it za lot.
It's a corn talks for them.
I ain't gonna lock It.
Is it is left tackle right now is is they haven't they have been having a couple good years.
A few good years, man.
Well, I'm trying to think of the I'm trying to think of the talk with the Kansas City.
The right talk with, uh, opposite of officially.
Schwartz e like him to at right tackle.
He really good, actually.
I like him at right tackle to e.
Yeah, I like him at right tackle tubes.
So it is tough, man.
It's tough with those a uh huh.
It's a lot of good lineman's league.
It is. It really is, man.
And, you know, Lineman never got the credit that they deserve.
Never get the credit. They deserved.
But, you know, it's OK.
That's probably being the lining, man.
Come with the territory you gotta get.
You just gotta get usedto Zaki.
You just have to get used to it.
So, um all right, so my next question.
Toughest player you played in the league.
Uh, man, um I say I came Hicks, I ain't gonna lie out in, uh, in Chicago.
I played against, like, for four times now.
Okay? Just like he big dude.
Pretty nimble Toby.
I mean, the program.
He got to be about 60 but now he can move the strong.
He takes chances.
He you could tell you watch he doing due diligence when you watch a film because you take chances nine times.
10 chances you taking are correct.
But I definitely say I'll say Hicks, or I'll say so.
I would say, Donald, but I played against Aaron last year in Cleveland, but I was playing tackle, so I didn't I didn't see I didn't see him because he's usually he's usually over the over the garden center.
Yeah, I'll go. I'll go. I'll go.
Okay, So So? So he worked.
Does he? Is he is he more of, uh, because I I played with Hicks, um, at patriot.
So he, um So So talk to me a little bit.
Is he more of, Ah, bull Russia? Is he because, you know, you have the big guys, but these guys can move.
They can finance a little bit.
So is he Is he Vanessa, or is he just a powerful guy? He's a He's a really powerful god that that he'll give you So he'll give you power, power, power playing and play out.
And you'll you'll think you'll you'll forget that he got finessing his game still.
So he'll bull rush Bull rush, bull rush bulrushes jumps win.
Like out of nowhere.
You wouldn't even think he coming in here like this swim.
It's like, but he, uh the power is what gets you because he can.
He can beat you if he wants to.
Every play he could almost beat you with power or movie back a couple yards.
Almost every play.
But But he definitely got some finesse in his game, too.
And he's really good with, uh, we're picking hands.
So if you're a double hand shooter, you shoot, grab your wrist, grab your elbow, like replacing.
He's strong enough to keep it over there, too.
So, yeah, he's a He's a really good player, man.
That that's the worst man you remember.
Uh, in college man E J E J.
Used to do that as well.
His big hands just waiting for two.
It's the worst thing, man.
It's like you gotta You gotta try to yank it.
You've got to get away from him.
So now you know he dictating everything, man.
Yeah, that works.
Yeah, definitely the worst, man.
So? So for my last question.
All right, so my last question, How important is it because by you, because you've been in the league? You just about You played guard tackle.
I know at one point, he was getting after that center.
So how important is it, Thio? Learn how to play all five positions, man.
Honestly, man, I would have still been a league if I could have because, honestly, you got you got certain a certain amount of guys on teams that, like Jake Matthews, his left tackle won't play anything else in his career.
Alex Mack play center won't play anything else in his career.
But other than guys like that man, you stick around because they if something happens, you could go play.
You go play right tackle, You go play right guard.
You go snap the ball if if they need to, just in case and it's like it's, uh they got a You got a couple of guys on every team that played one position, but everybody else's cross train, everybody else can play.
Center can play guard.
I mean, I put in my first year in Green Bay.
I made the team as boom, the swing, swing inside guard, the swing inside.
Guys played both guards and center, and that year I started six games that tackle and play.
I played some games that guard, too.
But it's just about more you could do.
The more the more places you can play, the less people they're gonna have to have around it.
But you get to stay around.
So it was just, uh honestly say, if I if I if I couldn't play more than one position, I wouldn't be in the league right now.
Hey, man, that that's definitely that's definitely true.
I was I was training a couple of my young guys, you know, a little high school guys, and, you know, we're just talking and conversating a little bit.
And I was just telling him like, Man, you don't It's not like high school.
And even like college, you don't travel with a bunch of guys.
You only have a certain amount of the guys that you travel with.
Just so just so everybody knows in most years on NFL, you get a you have you have maybe eight or nine games.
Eight or nine guys make the team the 53 man roster, 15 or 16 coming to camp so you can have a 43 lines.
Eight or nine guys make the team.
And of those guys that don't start, everybody else can play multiple positions.
Everybody can play.
Um, if you if you're a guard and you made the team, you probably know how to snap.
If you're a tackle and you made the team and you know I started, you probably could play a little guard.
It's like it's hardly any any guys, unless they were like a first round pick That didn't happen to win the battle in training camp.
I just play one position, right? So it looks like either either learn how to do it or they gonna find somebody not to do it.
All right? And even I remember when we used to talk about all the time and how we wish we would have learned how the launch now, man, no, them was all All that counts, man.
Because if you can do it, if something happened, you want to feel, and if you're on the field, you can You can.
You can once you get on the field.
That's when you earn your chances to get on to stay on the field.
But the only way you can earn your chances to get on their first.
Man, I appreciate you coming on with me, man.
You know, is always is.
Always love every time.
Way Get together, man.
I appreciate you though, bro.
Already appreciate you having me on