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00:00:00
right now, this is a Nick show.
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This is our Nick ish at night segment.
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We got Mo Hanafi here, and this week's guest is an old buddy of mine from high school.
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His name is Evan.
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We played a lot of basketball a long time ago.
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A lot of tournaments that we played in some some dingo.
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So Well, someone Alright, that's that's for the past.
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But, um, I'm very excited bringing Evanses show, so, you know, welcome.
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Evan.
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How you doing, man? Good man. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
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Been following your your show for a little bit.
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A lot of good nick sticks.
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Appreciate that.
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Appreciate you coming on law.
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I mean, my co host mentioned Tournament.
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So how that, like, dynamic work? His teammates Was it like a LeBron Mario Chalmers situation e.
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I'm trying to think we definitely played enough e I guess.
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I guess, Way I'm not sure if we won.
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We definitely got ah championship for sure.
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A couple of times maybe.
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But that was a while ago, but no, we were good, you know, good chemistry.
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E got someone like Kobe and d fish.
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Like the way you know what I'll take.
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I'll take that.
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I'll take the Kobe De Fish comparison definitely wasn't Kobe Shaq, but it was more so like give Evan the ball and get the **** out of the way.
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So e point, so is like like, 07 Kobe kind of thing.
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Oh, I got you.
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No matter how modest he could knock down open shots, you couldn't leave them.
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Let's let's say that you have to respect it.
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Good times.
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Definitely good times.
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I know you've been hoping a lot since, um, I I see you know your posting everyday or not every day, but a lot.
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You bowling.
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So how's that going right now? It's going good.
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So I tore my A sale in January, doing some dumb stuff that Yeah, that sucked.
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Um, but so I lost about six months there.
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But ever since that ended on day, I started hoping again, probably in August on ever since.
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I'm probably, like, a couple of times a week just pick up at the parks now, since all the gyms are closed, but it's a good time.
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Still again. Buckets.
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You live in Philly right now? So how long has that been? That's been for four years, so I'm working on my PhD right now.
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But I'm finishing that up.
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Hopefully, uh, in the spring, but, you know, knock on wood, You know? That's awesome, man.
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Come back to New York, you know, Hopefully Nice. Nice.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What about you guys just showing in New York E? Yeah.
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I mean, I've been in the same.
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I've been in the same place as before, but my partner here actually moved from New York Thio v A.
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So it's been there for a couple of years out.
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What's what's the dynamic like in va right now? I don't even know how to answer that.
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What dynamic we saw ball wiser just because Because Evans always bawling Philly, you know, court are So what's where courts in via probably have be, like, touch the court, like, over a year, you know? I mean, it's like that.
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We're on the same boat.
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Just adult ing gets in the way.
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Simply e.
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I mean, it's kind of sad, but yeah, yeah, life gets in the way.
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So before, before you got on Evan, I was telling Nafi here that you were probably the first Mavericks fan I've ever met in my life.
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You're You're a fan.
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You're a fan of them.
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Before they were, it was cool to be a fan of.
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And what? There's one particular thing that I remember that just for somebody stuck to my memory.
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There was one time we were in the library or I walked into the library.
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You're already there on the computer.
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I was wonder what you're doing because you're a copy pasting an article from ESPN about the Mavericks onto a word.
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Doc, I'm like, Yo, yo, what are you doing? He's like, Yo, if they keep if they catch on ESPN, they kick you off.
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I'm trying to read this **** right now about about dedication.
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E Remember, I was thinking about this earlier today to, uh So I picked the maps, remember? Beat the heat in the 2011 finals.
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And remember, you were giving me mad props about like, for years.
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I, like was rooting for the Mavs anywhere.
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Like, bro, they're never gonna win.
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And then finally, they, like, broke through that a great season on.
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Yeah, People think I'm a LeBron James friend now.
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I, like actively rooted against him for many years until I think I've just matured and, you know, started being attractive, but I'm kind of a similar.
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I mean, I'm not all the way like a fan yet, but you just you can't argue with the legacy.
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Can't argue with the results, you know? I mean, as soon as like, he kind of I always refer to as like when he turned into, like, a cyborg in Miami.
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You know what I mean? Like, it just became, like, totally flawless player, Like a dominant player I've ever seen in my life.
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Like ever since then.
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It's just, like, objectively.
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You can't really throw dirt on his name, you know? Yeah, I totally agree.
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I mean, I kind of hated him in Miami just because at the time, I was still like, yeah, like, ridiculous team.
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But then I, like, grew up in, like, realize, like, all right, he was never gonna get the help in Cleveland the first time.
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So I was like, All right, whatever.
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You know, I guess it made sense, but yeah, in Miami, his game just got so like, just a machine, like you said, you know? I mean, just so good.
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So I e remember what was all the talk? You don't have a postgame.
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He couldn't shoot.
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And then in Miami, he just I feel like in one offseason he just showed up with it.
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I feel like all the JJ Barreda jokes he's got to him.
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And then boom like, evolved.
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Complete player. Yeah, he was, like, so good.
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Even before the Mavs serious.
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And then after that, he just like, I don't even think you get that much better.
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But he did one of the greats, you know? Okay, Yeah, e press the button, but yeah, I agree.
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Totally for LeBron.
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I hated him because he spurned the Cavs.
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I thought he was gonna be a Nick van when I was 15 years old, didn't work out.
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And then I think it's I think it's, I think, when he joined the calves and took him to the NBA Finals and he put up that performance, that was that Jimmy Butler kind of resembled this past season.
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That really the first one, the first one? Yeah.
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And then and then 2016 obviously the students playing at historic levels and that's I think that's solidified him as the top three.
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I think this past postseason definitely solidified him as top two.
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It's really that top one that, you know, that's what Who is? The other third out of curiosity for me, For me, was Kareem saying here, I feel like he gets underrated or under looking kind of this kind of conversation, you know? Zero.
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But yeah, I totally agree.
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I've Kareem in the top three.
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A swell, Yeah.
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If anything, you could probably break it down.
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It's just eras or generations like I feel like clearly, LeBron is the most dominant, just greatest player of this generation, probably since Jordan retired.
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And there's definitely a good case to say he's the best of all time, obviously, you know, But I don't know if you want to get into that.
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I don't feel like you've got a strong takes about that.
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I mean, I mean, I think it's very close, you know? I mean, you guys as well, I'm sure. Yeah.
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I mean, we're not one of those people that are just like, completely denigrating LeBron like he's definitely right there with him, you know? And then I feel like it works the other way to like LeBron.
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They're like extremist LeBron fans that will just completely try to tear down mixed legacy.
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Yeah, you know, that's just what I don't really you know? Yeah, yeah.
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No, I I agree.
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E Think it's more like I don't like like the MJ supporters who just like, mindlessly throw down like the six championships.
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You know, bag, nothing else matters.
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Like bro.
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There's so much more that goes into basketball than just winning championships, especially since it's a team sport.
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You could have a really good team in, you know, or play really like tough teams like the Warriors, for example.
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I mean, you preaching to the choir.
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I mean, we still have fans that, like remember the open three that Danny Green God he missed with fans are like ****ting on LeBron for making that decision.
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That was a great, like move like, Yeah, that's reading the floor.
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You open teammate.
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What, like, is there ever like a time when a coach will tell you shoot through a triple team? You know what I mean? Like that.
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Like there's never a situation unless maybe the shot clock is low or your teammates stock that you would like ever do that, you know, right In this case, it was Danny Green who still, I believe, owns a record for the most threes in N B A Finals.
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Yeah, remember that? Like, what was it, 2013 when he was like, like switching all those threes from me that there's a good shooter like, you know, he was getting death threats and stuff, I guess, because he's a good shooter and he's not supposed to miss it.
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But, you know, it happens.
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They still won.
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E was definitely I was definitely hating on him.
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I would say after I mean, how can you not, right? I mean, your That's your job.
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Why not? You're open.
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Make that job like one job, like literally but e.
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I mean, obviously, LeBron just won his fourth ring.
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So I guess I mean, if we're already at the gold conversation, this pretty much solidifies that, like at least top two ranking, right? I mean, there's no argument there, right? I definitely think that what's Kareem got? Five.
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I think so, Yeah.
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So I guess if you're just going by rings, Kareem is a little ahead.
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But I mean, it's so tough with big men.
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I think it's just easier to compare, like Jordan and LeBron versus like it's been like, Where do you like? Why not pick shock? You know, like, I mean, that was awesome, like you couldn't guard him.
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You know, that's true.
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E feel like the thing was, shock was that was like his peak was crazy.
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But like, I feel like the longevity wasn't there, you know? Yeah, that's LeBron House.
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He does have that over Jordan, for sure.
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Yeah, and a lot of people want to make the argument who was their best at their peaks.
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But then there's also that argument who had a longer peak and LeBron James.
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We're still seeing it could last for another year to knock on wood, maybe longer.
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Who knows? This guy just isn't slowing down.
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Yeah, you just, like, nailed like it right there, you know? I mean, like, yeah, who had the longer it seems like LeBron's had, like, three like peaks, you know? Yeah, it's like all different flavors.
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I feel like like the young calves LeBron toe just the killer ruthless killer in Miami and then what he's been since, You know, I feel like he's like he just have so so much wisdom now like, didn't he say recently that like a 35 year old, LeBron played 27 year old LeBron like he would kill him? You know? Yeah, I heard that.
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It's interesting because I'm always like you still look like athletic.
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I'm always a little surprised.
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It's like crazy athletic.
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He still is at that age.
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Too insane, bro.
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Testing them e mean, so does this make you does make you a Lakers fan now, or are you still not supporting a team? You're just trying to see LeBron win more Titles aside, I've gotten older.
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I like more.
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So just like root for, like, good basketball.
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Maybe it's because, like the Knicks suck And like, you know, like, if the Knicks were good, I would put them, of course.
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And I still, like, watch them pretty frequently.
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I went to 26 years games, both against the Knicks.
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Uh, here.
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Um, but yeah, I guess I'll refer them.
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I like watching Boston play, which I know is like crazy in New York.
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But they're a good team.
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Um, Boston.
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They're the Mavericks.
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Air Good.
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I was just gonna go right there.
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I mean, they're they're old favorite team.
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What do you make of Lucca? And just I feel like folks are already throwing him in that LeBron conversation as far as like projecting his future.
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So, like, what do you see in Lucca now? And I guess what do you kind of think he'll become, You know? Yeah, it's so hard, like when he's so young.
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But, I mean, he's so skilled, remember? Like listening to these people talk like, um, like, eh? So what is he, 20? Probably 20.
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Yeah, right.
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Like 20.
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He's probably better than, like LeBron or magic or at 20 s.
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So it's like, Wow, that's like, you know, I mean, if he could keep getting better, I was surprised.
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Did you guys think like watching him, like when he was young? I like watching him play.
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And I was like, This dude is, like, way too slow, you know? Yeah, And there's a There's an interesting article I forgot who wrote a couple of years back.
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But they really broke out that he has a super slow first step, but he makes it up because he has an excellent last step.
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Hey is able to maneuver his way so it doesn't really matter how slow he is because he's so skilled that when it comes down to a hill, maneuver his way around to get it to get to the basket, doesn't he? Makes he makes up for the lack of athleticism.
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Yeah, sort of like that.
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Paul Pierce e was going exactly that.
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Young clips just like you would see.
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Like because an international ball there's like no hand checking role or whatever.
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So get right up on you.
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And he's just like defender.
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Like, cradled all over him.
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He'll stop on a dime and then open shot like as a young prodigy it was.
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I feel like he was destined for greatness but somehow fell to three.
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So e don't know.
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Yeah, they were good.
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I mean, it's still kind of crazy.
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What were your thoughts? So they have.
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They have cursed stops now, which, like I guess that's still pains you guys or yeah.
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Yeah.
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After seeing after seeing the news from a couple of days ago that he has no timetable for his return.
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Obviously, we hope for every player to have a long sustaining Yeah, play like placed.
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I mean, a long career.
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But when you see a player who just signed a Max contract, not have a timetable to come back.
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And we have a couple of pics that we got out of him, especially for 2021.
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That's unprotected.
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There's a chance that the Mavericks will be a lottery team.
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20 one unprotected.
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Okay, Yeah, I guess that's true.
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Yeah, And then you got when you when you consider all together what? The fact that they were able to create cap space, get Marcus Morris training for another first round pick for the Clippers.
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That's also unprotected there.
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We're gonna have to.
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Well, we won't know for another, you know, two or three years who really one was the Clippers is the Clippers one.
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It's not next year.
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It's, what, 2022 or 23? I believe it's 21 21.
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I think that's the 27th pick that that's okay.
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So this year, Okay, Gotcha.
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And I don't know enough about the 2021 draft, but I think everyone agrees that everyone understands that's gonna be a very, very deep and good draft.
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That didn't work out for the Knicks.
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A lot of so called experts, just referring to the 2021 draft is like one of the legendary ones.
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So I mean, there's a kid by the name of Kate Cunningham.
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He's getting a lot of like, I want to say, LeBron hype, but maybe, like, Zion level hype.
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So, yeah, he's supposed to be, like a 67 point guard that can do everything like similar to LeBron.
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So mellow to see in this draft he's in.
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Yeah, well, is this year okay? Interesting.
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No, I mean, the Knicks will find a way to pick the one, you know? Yeah.
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I mean, when it comes to this year's draft, the Knicks Knicks have the eighth pick.
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So they're probably not going to get Lemelle unless there's some crazy Leon Rose does.
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But like, that's not gonna happen.
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But being funny, you mention that there's a whole bunch of rumors today that we're like we're eyeing, like a trade up now and then.
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Yesterday there's rumors that were trading down toe.
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I don't know what to believe.
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Yeah, well, you have to imagine that the warriors, they're probably gonna trade that pick.
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I would think e think so.
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For them, I mean, they're windows probably not closed in my opinion.
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Um, definitely not.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I don't think they have any much use for a 19 year old traded like the way the Cavs did and get the where they trade Wiggins for Kevin Love.
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That's I think that's the kind of move that the Warriors should look into.
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Yeah, I totally agree.
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I wonder who that, like Kevin Love type player would be for them.
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I was hearing like they're obsessed with the honest.
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I don't know if that would happen, but I hope that doesn't happen.
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You, honest, is being connected to the Mavericks as well.
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And that would be scary, bro.
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And the and the U.
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K P is the third banana.
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What? That's not fair.
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That's not fair.
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That can't happen.
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Then again, it's not fair if you go to Golden State. Either stuff.
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I mean, yeah, I know.
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Just giving him that much space would just be, but she code for sure.
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It really is.
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He'd beat.
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Basically, he'd be, like a two step approach in a dream on for them.
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You know what I mean? Like exactly.
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Grandma knows, you know? Yeah.
00:15:23
So I don't know if you answer the question So if you're are you, do you really, really root for LeBron? Are you going for any particular team apart from the Knicks? Or is are the Knicks your team that you're rooting for day in and day? I guess.
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Well, honestly, now that LeBron one, I thought he needed one more championship.
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Really like, because I don't know if I felt like there was a big difference between three and four, but maybe not quite.
00:15:44
And you guys could disagree, but not maybe not quite as big a deal between four and five.
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So now that he's got his fourth chip, I actually want to see James Harden win it to, um, I just He's so good.
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He is so skilled.
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He's like, you know, I don't know.
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He's got some flaws that I feel like there's a little bit of quit in him, like not to sound like, you know, easy, but yeah, like, But I think he's, like, so underrated, the best player to never win a chip, in my opinion, So I want to see him win it.
00:16:11
That's like who I think I'll root for next year.
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I'd agree.
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I mean, I loved hard and especially like that M v p.
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Race for like Westbrook wanted.
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I felt like pardon had better numbers, and he did the same thing Westbrook did just with less rebounds but better efficiency.
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And his team is better, you know, It was robbed that year.
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Yeah, he's like I'd agree he's probably the best player of this generation that doesn't have a ring, you know? Yeah, I completely agree.
00:16:33
Um, so I kinda want to see him win one.
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I mean, it would just be such a waste for a guy that, like good toe, you know, never win one.
00:16:41
But I mean, one could say it was self inflicted, right? I mean, we're all these things coming out.
00:16:45
I mean, he he wanted White than him and Dwight kind of break off.
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They don't really have a good relationship.
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Same thing with CP three.
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It was all, like, sold to us is like a great partnership.
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Then they both ended up hating each other, Supposedly, you know.
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So that was weird.
00:16:58
I thought like to trade for Chris Paul.
00:17:01
Chris Paul for Westbrook was basically the deal e.
00:17:04
I guess there must have been really bad, like in the locker room or whatever, because it Yeah, yeah, it wasn't even Chris Paul for Westbrook.
00:17:12
They got a couple of they did get a couple of picks out of it for what's out of the thunder.
00:17:16
Did they know? E think the Rockets gave a couple of pics? At least one for for Westbrook? Wow, that must because Chris Paul's contract is actually kind of crazy.
00:17:28
It's like 50 million or 40 million or something, right? 44 million.
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44 e you got.
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I heard.
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He's like, linked to the Knicks.
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I'd want him, you know, just because, like, we're just sick of like, I'm sick of just losing bro and I like, especially when, you know, you heard how they kind of lower the lottery odds.
00:17:47
So it's a lot more volatile now to kind of tank.
00:17:49
So it's like, Why not just go for it? And by the end of the season, if we look like a bad team, then Tank, you know.
00:17:54
But yeah, I don't want to go into the season with another mentality of all this is a rebuild.
00:17:59
Let's just play the young kids and suck again, you know? Yeah, Chris Paul's a Keith.
00:18:03
Yeah, I agree.
00:18:04
I agree.
00:18:05
And hopefully they want to give up that much form.
00:18:06
Um, but, I mean, you could do, have toe, you have to make the money work right in the MBA.
00:18:10
So, like, yeah.
00:18:12
Yeah.
00:18:13
And our biggest contract right now is Julius Randle, which were not too big fans off.
00:18:17
We're getting rid of him.
00:18:21
Okay.
00:18:22
Yeah, I actually like that.
00:18:23
Actually, if they traded it for Chris Paul, I mean, you're not gonna win a championship, but, you know, Yeah, I would do it if you don't have to give up.
00:18:29
I mean, I was reading that they would want knocks.
00:18:32
Um, his name was Yeah.
00:18:37
I mean, I feel like he has had a rough nick career, but for some reason, I believe that if he's on a different team, he would actually be really good.
00:18:45
Yeah.
00:18:47
Hey, it's like, uh, intangibles on paper.
00:18:51
He just isn't that good with the Knicks, you know, Typical name, not developing.
00:18:55
He just looked like the second coming of, like, a bona fide score and summer league.
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And I don't know what happened to that guy.
00:19:00
You know, s you touched on Knox.
00:19:04
I didn't want to, like, ask you like me and more right here.
00:19:07
We're just Knicks fans that were in the thick of it were we love our young players were kind of like protective of them.
00:19:12
But as an outsider, quote unquote, what's your kind of opinion on some of the young players we have? You know, like mentioned knocks? What about R. J.
00:19:18
Barrett? Frank E.
00:19:21
R J. Barrett? Obviously.
00:19:22
I mean, alright, no shade.
00:19:24
Don't take a fence. I would have rather they got.
00:19:27
Why am I dirtying the guy in Memphis? Um, Dan Moran.
00:19:31
Hey, was back in Esso, you guys.
00:19:34
So it's unfortunate because you guys had the third pick.
00:19:36
Um, but he's great.
00:19:38
No, he I mean, he didn't make all NBA first team or second team, right? But like, he bawled out, you know, his team wasn't any good.
00:19:44
I mean, he had low efficiency numbers, but here, you know, he's gonna get better.
00:19:48
I think you know a lot of James Harden in his game.
00:19:51
I think like that leftie thing, but definitely we just need to get him some shooters, that thing because there was, like, no spacing.
00:19:57
And like we all play a ball here.
00:19:58
It's like you can't play with a bunch of guys that don't have jumpers and it's just like the paint is just packed, you know? Yeah, nobody's Jumper you respect out there.
00:20:04
So how you gonna go Drive into three guys, you know? So, yeah, that's what e.
00:20:08
I mean.
00:20:09
You have Mitchell Robinson to, like, clogging up the pain.
00:20:10
I mean, he's a good player.
00:20:11
I was reading your I was like, one of your instagram things.
00:20:15
You guys are, like, high on him, right? For sure.
00:20:17
E think it's pretty.
00:20:20
I think it's pretty.
00:20:21
Definitely the best player at the Knicks have right now, even including R.
00:20:24
J. Barrett.
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Um, I would agree.
00:20:26
He's only promising. Doesn't space the court.
00:20:28
Everything's a dunk.
00:20:29
Yeah, well, yeah, The good thing we're seeing right now, when it comes to any Mitchell Robinson video.
00:20:34
Now it's him shooting three pointers.
00:20:36
I don't know how likely he is gonna do it on the court, but he's definitely showing a possibility of being a shooter.
00:20:41
Alright, at least a corner three shooter and Thibodeau definitely mentioned he wants more corner threes this season, so I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing him, you know, popping from threes s.
00:20:51
So what do you takes on Franken knocks? Because those guys are more.
00:20:55
Ah, enigmas.
00:20:56
So, so, frank.
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I'm not high on.
00:20:59
I would say, Knox, I not such a good rookie year.
00:21:02
A solid rookie year.
00:21:03
In my opinion, he kind of fell off this past year, right? Um, but I just like on I could see him being a good player, just on a different team.
00:21:12
E, I don't know, like, maybe this is just, you know, like seeing the Knicks every year, like it seems, you know, we give away Tim Hardaway Jr.
00:21:19
Then he starts bawling out for, like, the Mavs and stuff, you know? So I don't know.
00:21:25
He should be good, right? He's got, like, good intangibles, like, kind of quick, long, You know, you would get from a good player from Kentucky, you know, and like with the Kentucky process, you always see like they always like they don't show a lot in college, but they get the coaching behind the scenes and then they blow up in the NBA like Devin Booker Tyler hero on You got Kevin knocks stuff.
00:21:45
I mean, that's just the Knicks.
00:21:46
Look right there.
00:21:47
Yeah, I like him.
00:21:50
I'm not as high on, uh, Latino, though.
00:21:52
What about you guys? You guys, You guys are fans.
00:21:56
It's hard.
00:21:57
It's hard not to be a fan of Frank because he if you're a Knicks fan, you you kind of have the underdog mentality.
00:22:02
And I think Frank for a lot of fans, A lot of fans sign them off.
00:22:05
So a lot of those who love Frank seem kind of by that underdog mentality.
00:22:10
He is a lock down defender at the end of the day, so between one or the other, he definitely has.
00:22:14
That lacks confidence.
00:22:16
But we've seen when he does have confidence, he's a lot better.
00:22:19
This season was a lot better for Frank.
00:22:21
I think I would be surprised if they trade him away.
00:22:24
They got a good return.
00:22:26
Uh, yeah, contractor.
00:22:29
So he's got to show up, but yeah, I mean, he's, you know, he's a top 10 pick, but feel like two years into his tenure on the next, we both kind of realized it's probably best if he turns into like a hyper role player, you know, kind of like how Iggy was on Golden State.
00:22:43
You know, you keep up that lock down D and get like a respectable jumper, I'll take that, you know, and yeah, e like, he hasn't really gotten a fair shake.
00:22:52
You know, we get a new coach every year, and then they all end up, like limiting, limiting his minutes while we see other young players on other teams.
00:22:59
You know, get the chance to at least get a lot of minutes.
00:23:01
Get playing time, you know? So yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:06
Switching it over just a little bit.
00:23:07
What were your thoughts and Jimmy Butler's play this past? Oh, that was crazy.
00:23:11
I mean, I thought Jimmy Butler was a good player.
00:23:14
You guys did to probably like e what? You know.
00:23:18
I mean, I've never, like, sat down and rank them, but, I mean, he was bawling out.
00:23:21
He looked like he was a top five player in the in the finals, right? Like, where did that? You know, actually, eso I live in Philly now, so I mean, I'm definitely not a sixers fan, but I do follow the sixers on, and they were saying like, where? Did you know what I mean? Like, where the heck did this come from? Like he didn't do this for us.
00:23:37
But I guess, like, with all that spacing on the court, you know, like you said earlier about the Knicks, where they don't have any spacing, like with all that spacing, you know, he can you know, he runs that pick and roll is basically unguardable What it was It was it, Jimmy the closer in the playoff success that Philly did have, you know, like he was the unofficial quote.
00:23:53
I mean, way liked him, but he definitely wasn't this.
00:23:56
You know, this looks like, you know, he was what, like one of the best players he played the honest to write like Yeah, yeah.
00:24:04
Yeah, right.
00:24:06
You honest? I think like in my head, like took.
00:24:08
I used to think of him is, like, right there with, like, LeBron and co.
00:24:11
I he took, like, a few steps back like this playoffs, I think state actually sticking with with the sixth Astros, Phillies with the Sixers first that, um, where the fans like in Philadelphia because you grew up in New York.
00:24:23
You've seen how Knicks fans, how crazy that could be despite all the losses, and Philadelphia has dealt with their fair share of losses.
00:24:29
So, I mean, the last four years, you probably the most success they've had in the better part of two decades.
00:24:35
Ah, you know, what are they, like? Similar, except probably mawr.
00:24:42
I don't know.
00:24:43
How do you say I feel like? And this No disrespect.
00:24:45
I feel like New Yorkers are a little bit Mawr entitled.
00:24:47
You know, um, they feel like they deserve the Knicks to be better.
00:24:52
You know what I mean? It's like this bitterness that we deserve better and all that.
00:24:55
You know what I mean? Like the Sixers air.
00:24:57
Just like if we're not winning, you know, like they're angry, You know what I mean? Like just perpetually angry.
00:25:02
They're mad at the coach they're mad at, Like, um, you know, I think they've really bought into the tank the process.
00:25:07
Actually, I think everyone got on board with that, but like, well, I mean, this past season, they were like, just killing the Sixers and the Phillies, like they're also like, were underachieving like, you know, I mean, just like all of them.
00:25:18
The eagles with parts and wins just like destroying him and you know, so I don't know.
00:25:24
It's like similar, but like less entitlement.
00:25:27
It feels like the Sixers fans in Philly they just idolized and beat.
00:25:31
So, like, what's that dynamic like? Do they like, not **** with Ben Simmons like that? Or like, are they willing to give up Simmons to keep them beat and build on him? I disagree.
00:25:40
I think they I think there is bitterness towards and be because, like there's always this narrative that he doesn't eat well, Have you guys heard this outside? He's a fact.
00:25:49
You know, you just eat all this **** and that's why he can't, um, you know, play full 48 minutes and that's why it's missing all these games.
00:25:54
So there I think there is bitterness towards it.
00:25:56
And now I think there is, like, the legitimate discussion, like, Alright, what we dio because, like, you know, are we are you know, can we win with both of them, or do we have to trade one and then, like all right, well, if we could trade one who do we keep? And I think based on the way this past postseason went, where they really got destroyed by Boston.
00:26:14
I think it's swaying towards, um, they want to keep Ben on, get rid of him. Be.
00:26:20
You know, you do.
00:26:21
If you were in Philly issues like I think I I think I agree.
00:26:24
I think I would I think I would do Simmons.
00:26:26
Not that I'm the biggest Simmons fan, but, you know, like, obviously the parallel with, like, you should be like a Yanis, right? Except like if you put a shooter around him, you know, I mean, like, a bunch of shooters instead of him be then, you know, that's basically honest right there.
00:26:39
So he should, you know that.
00:26:41
But like being there kind of clogs the paint and, like, for sure facing, um And then also indeed, you have to imagine he's gonna get hurt.
00:26:50
He probably has.
00:26:51
Like what? Like a three year? You know what I mean? Like four years of like that level.
00:26:54
He's always like, every time he falls, you hold your breath and stuff, so yeah, well, you said they really bought into the process movement, and Brett Brown was a big part of that.
00:27:04
So with his firing, what was the general feeling in Philly.
00:27:08
And now that Doc Rivers was signed in just a couple of days later and being there being there, what's the overall feeling over there? So, I mean, what's their overall feeling or my feelings? That kind of disagree with them here.
00:27:22
They thought that firing breath Brown would solve all their problems.
00:27:26
I think it's like a roster issue saying, Yeah, you find the wrong guy.
00:27:31
Yeah.
00:27:32
You know, you you have Horford like, why would you get Horford? You know, I mean, I know you want to take him away from Boston, but now you can't match up with Toronto.
00:27:40
You know, like the defending champions at the time.
00:27:42
I still don't think you could be Boston like they just made a lot of questionable decisions.
00:27:47
They got rid of Red****.
00:27:48
You know, all of their shooters.
00:27:50
They had Belinelli a few years ago.
00:27:51
He was good, you know? I mean, like, yeah, and they're kind of trapped, too, because who wants Horford's contract? So or Tobias Harris like, what's the feeling around him? Because he got such a huge contract like I had to double check my phone when I saw that notification last summer.
00:28:05
Like the same time that I add an extra one in there.
00:28:09
Yeah, it's crazy that you get 180 million likes to report.
00:28:13
App is tripping, bro.
00:28:15
There's definitely a lot of bitterness towards him as well.
00:28:17
I mean, especially like watching Jimmy because it was effectively right.
00:28:20
Like either we paid Tobias repay Jimmy Butler.
00:28:22
Now watching Jimmy Butler ball out in Miami, it makes it that much worse.
00:28:26
So, yeah, I mean, I'm not sure what you do, though.
00:28:29
I mean, I do.
00:28:30
You think Doc Rivers is gonna, you know, like, what can he do much? You know, that's better.
00:28:35
I don't imagine maybe unless it short of Gregg Popovich coming.
00:28:38
You know, I don't see them like getting any better.
00:28:42
I mean, I mean, I guess Silver Lining is Maybe Tobias Harris had his best season under doc.
00:28:48
But I'm skeptical.
00:28:49
I feel like the same as you is like, What you gonna do with Tobias? You can't trade him.
00:28:52
Because who would want him? You know, like I don't know.
00:28:55
Yeah, that's a ridiculous contracts.
00:28:56
Same with Al Horford.
00:28:57
I mean, and you're still stuck. Exactly.
00:29:01
Now, like also like the other thing I brought up like So now the process.
00:29:05
Right? So you how do you justify to your fans blowing it up immediately? Right? And trading one of those two players like you made them wait all this time, trust the process and now you're gonna blow it up Like, what? Were we trusting? You know, So that's like the counter.
00:29:17
Every time I say you have to trade one of them that they bring up like you can't trade them your your stock Exactly.
00:29:23
But that would have just kept him kept Brown.
00:29:25
Get a new GM because I really think Elton Brand is in over his head.
00:29:29
Like Was he like the first time GM He's never even worked in the front office before before he got the job.
00:29:33
That's crazy.
00:29:34
Yeah, I have no idea.
00:29:37
It's kind of funny that they have that philosophy, like always draft the best player on now like Look what's happened.
00:29:43
Your players aren't compatible at all, you know, on like obviously yeah, yeah, that's a fact way.
00:29:52
Probably lost track of the number of lottery picks that they have and they've given away, uh, Nerlens.
00:29:57
Noel was a pic pic uh, desire.
00:30:00
That's still on the team.
00:30:01
Or is he just? Yeah.
00:30:04
This is not a bend she could have been.
00:30:05
You go there. Okay.
00:30:07
For, like, yeah.
00:30:08
Just so many of them that had just gave away or yeah.
00:30:11
Then we just seem to the conference finals.
00:30:13
That would have he would have been perfect fit.
00:30:14
I feel like Yeah, for sure. Right? Right.
00:30:17
He could hit and knocked out like a spot up.
00:30:19
Three places.
00:30:20
Gonna get He's gonna get the bag.
00:30:21
Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
00:30:26
Interesting.
00:30:27
Hopefully Denver could retain them, for sure.
00:30:32
Yeah.
00:30:33
I mean, I feel like he'd be a nice fit on the Knicks, but, you know, that's neither here nor there, you know? Oh, I think Well, OK, yeah, e.
00:30:38
I want to see Denver take that next leap to their They're a good team for sure.
00:30:42
What do you think Yokich like? He's basically like we talked about all the, like, LeBron doing stuff we've never seen before. I feel like Yokich.
00:30:49
I've never seen a point center like that before, you know? Like, who's the best big man pastor before he came on the scene like Marc Gasol, right? You know, uh, e.
00:30:58
Yeah.
00:30:59
Good point.
00:31:00
Yeah, man, that was That was crazy That Did you guys watch? Did you guys like, follow that? Syriza clippers e was insane.
00:31:06
I mean, they looked like I mean, that 15 screen and roll out.
00:31:10
I mean, it was unguardable untouchable.
00:31:12
Exactly.
00:31:13
And clippers supposedly had, like, the lock down perimeter, and then Denver couldn't stop scoring, so yeah, so I was wrong there.
00:31:20
Did you guys buy into that team I like? Did you guys, like, really think they were as good as everyone was saying they were? Or this is the Nuggets.
00:31:28
So no clippers.
00:31:29
I definitely thought so, I thought.
00:31:31
But I personally have always been kind of not as high on Dhaka's.
00:31:35
Like, I guess the general consensus is I feel like, to be honest with you, I feel like he owes his like reputation to K G and Tom Thibodeau.
00:31:41
Because Tom Thibodeau orchestrated that defense and K g was the anchor.
00:31:45
And that defense is one of the best of all time.
00:31:47
They wrecked the league one ring and then docks has been sitting Koshi ever since because yeah, yeah, no, I agree with you.
00:31:54
Um but I just I didn't buy into Paul.
00:31:56
George is like the second best player on a legitimate team.
00:31:59
Um, not to be a hater, but no, I mean, that's facts.
00:32:03
I mean, even quite in buying because supposedly had a wish list, it was like a D. Nope, He's going to Brooklyn.
00:32:08
I want Jimmy.
00:32:09
Wait.
00:32:10
No, Jimmy's going to Miami.
00:32:11
He even wanted Bradley Bill, apparently over Paul George.
00:32:13
And they just settled on Paul George.
00:32:14
So But they might have even been better if they had kept, like, Shakil Standard and like, you know, like in my opinion.
00:32:26
But, you know, I don't know.
00:32:29
But it was a good Siri's.
00:32:31
Regardless, you know, I thought by the end of it, the Nuggets really kind of like proof that they were better, though, in my opinion.
00:32:37
But yeah, the future is bright.
00:32:40
But the thing about what could I do with the Clippers? I feel like this.
00:32:43
What collided last summer.
00:32:44
I feel like it only asked LeBron's legacy because LeBron kicked off all that player empowerment.
00:32:48
Like I get to pick my teammate, I get to dictate our franchise built a Romney and Co.
00:32:53
I took that playbook and ran with it last summer with the Clippers.
00:32:56
So I feel like that's That's a major part of LeBron's legacy that I feel like it's underrated in certain, like places.
00:33:01
You know what I mean? Like not even just on the court.
00:33:03
He just affected the entire player culture, You know what I mean? Yeah.
00:33:06
I guess he was the first to do it.
00:33:08
Um, you took all that heat to, like, literally.
00:33:11
I mean, workplace e think it was, like, even more so because he was, like, the best right at that time.
00:33:20
So, you know, we all kind of, like thought he would do that MJ thing where just stays with the same team and just wins and wins and wins.
00:33:26
But, like, you know, then he teamed up with Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh was like, All right, it's ridiculous.
00:33:31
Yeah, we've never seen anything like that before.
00:33:33
Like, I know back then I was kind of just mad cause I got love.
00:33:35
The d Wade was LeBron matchups.
00:33:37
You know what I mean? Like so he has a fan.
00:33:39
Those games is crazy, you know, like turned into one on one.
00:33:42
Basically, But I thought what Katie did, like, was even worse.
00:33:46
Like whatever that was.
00:33:47
Uh oh, yeah.
00:33:49
Joining the 73 win team and the winning two titles after I was actually just by bringing Katie.
00:33:53
Because I I think you've mentioned in the past that you're not too high.
00:33:56
And Katie Well, I mean, this is interesting.
00:33:59
I mean, he's, like e mean.
00:34:02
I mean, he's a great player, right? Like we all acknowledge that.
00:34:05
But remember, like, after he won the first time and even the second time, there was that whole narrative like, Oh, is he better than LeBron like bro? You just you have all these players around, You know what I mean? Like, obviously, it helps, you know? I mean, like, it was just so ridiculous to me on.
00:34:19
Then what really was interesting, like, so he got hurt last year.
00:34:24
Um, And then, like, remember everyone just talking like, wouldn't it be interesting if the Warriors just one without him? And then, you know, I mean, like, prove that he's not really that valuable, But then, like Clay Thompson got hurt.
00:34:34
And we never got to find out which is probably like the real trash.
00:34:37
Any tourist Achilles which, like, you know, that obviously sucks for E feel like as an expense.
00:34:43
Like, I feel like once he saw that, like that Achilles that, like all the Katie, the Knicks stuff just went out the window because, hey, had no poll.
00:34:50
Who's gonna, like, wanna be recruited by a guy with on a bum leg? You know, So you kind of road Chirico tells, you know? Yeah.
00:34:57
I mean, I wonder if there, uh, you know, do you think they're gonna be any good? Yeah, definitely.
00:35:03
That's just too much talent.
00:35:04
You know, as much as I don't **** with Brooklyn, you know, like, you gotta just objectively say, like, those air, too dangerous scores.
00:35:10
And they get on the same page because I'm still skeptical that that locker room, like, sticks together.
00:35:15
You know, just kind of dudes that air, like, leading the locker room.
00:35:19
I would even call Kyrie a locker room leader, like in two K either, like yeah, I was actually reading that they were planning on trading.
00:35:28
They're like young players for Paul George to, um which I don't know.
00:35:33
I don't know.
00:35:34
I was like, All right.
00:35:35
I don't know if that's a good idea.
00:35:36
I would probably keep like Caris Levert and those guys e like Jared Allen a lot.
00:35:41
And then they just They benched him for DeAndre Jordan because he's cool with e a kind of a bad culture to me, you know? So I wonder if national coming and just take care of that right away.
00:35:51
I bet you KD and Curry just ship like exactly you said Jared Allen thrown in a pile with the young players.
00:35:56
Go get Bradley Beal or Paul George or something, you know.
00:35:59
Well, e don't know.
00:36:00
I'm looking forward to see I mean, this will be like the first when I say I don't like Katie.
00:36:04
I just mean, like, I don't really value his championships like, very highly.
00:36:07
I don't e I mean, like, yeah, they seemed unearned, you know, like I would even worse than LeBron right going to Miami.
00:36:15
In my opinion, e, I feel like the very fact that there's even a debate about it just proves the point that, like, you know, that those rings are kind of held in a lesser regard.
00:36:22
You know what I mean? For sure, I feel like a d himself on into that hype like he thought if he beat LeBron, he was better.
00:36:28
That's not how it works.
00:36:29
Like, you know, or like a top two point guard of all time just won the title himself.
00:36:37
That's three point shooters of all time.
00:36:39
And, like a stretch big, that's like passes like a point guard in drama, you know? I mean, yeah, like, that was so They were just so good.
00:36:47
Yeah, Best of all time.
00:36:49
Like a time, you know, like so on top of all of that, So, yeah, I just don't, like, view him as but we'll see, like, you know, So now he's got his own team.
00:36:59
I guess he's the best player, maybe the leader.
00:37:01
You know, um, we'll see.
00:37:03
I mean, I think the East has gotten a lot better to like, you know, like Miami.
00:37:07
I was legitimately nervous.
00:37:08
I thought that they could be the Lakers.
00:37:09
They were so good.
00:37:10
You know, so many options offensively.
00:37:12
So so good defensively to, um, well coached.
00:37:15
So, yeah, I think the East has gotten a lot better, so we'll see what happens.
00:37:20
I don't think it's like a guarantee, though, that they'll just marched through the East and get to the finals.
00:37:25
You guys, you guys think it's Ah, it's a lock The Brooklyn after going to the finals next year, Um, I feel like it depends what the Milwaukee does, because I feel like they're kind of on the clock.
00:37:36
They got literally one year before Yanis can leave, so they might just make a desperation play for some form of an All Star or something like that.
00:37:42
You know, it's to be seen, I feel like, but I feel like Brooklyn's the favorites.
00:37:46
Yeah, I think I think it's Eastern Conference finals or bust at this free zone.
00:37:52
Just get there.
00:37:53
They had to at least make it to the Eastern Conference finals to be somewhat respectable.
00:37:56
If it's about, consider.
00:37:57
I mean, assuming they're all healthy throughout the season, that's gotta be the expectation, you know, on ifit's to means the current bucks team that they play against and they still lose.
00:38:08
I think there'll still be a bus because they got both.
00:38:09
Katie Kyrie, honest, is by himself. Yeah.
00:38:12
Oh, yeah. You're right for sure.
00:38:14
You honestly by himself? Yeah, I totally agree.
00:38:16
So, um, since we're on that like topic of Yana.
00:38:19
So we just mentioned you, honest, Like to kind of close this out.
00:38:21
I know we're like getting getting to that time.
00:38:24
I did have a question.
00:38:25
You know, Thistle's kind of LeBron themed episode Is there anybody study in the league right now that you kind of see as that next LeBron like that next faces league? Or is it still to be determined like a young player? You know, like a guy that could kind of take off and be a goat level guy? I don't know.
00:38:43
I mean, I think the player that I would have said like, ah, year ago would have been honest.
00:38:47
But now I think more Luca and just add on Not just best player by thing, just MBA impact.
00:38:54
Because they're like Jordan had that impact.
00:38:58
LeBron had that impact.
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Not just yeah, all encompassing.
00:39:02
Just like an eye contact.
00:39:04
Look, I would I think I might go, Luke.
00:39:08
I mean, you might think Zions a possibility, but that's still, like, kind of skeptical, you know? I mean, like, I'm not a prophet.
00:39:13
Yeah, exactly.
00:39:15
So, um, I would have said you honest, but I mean, he really got exposed pretty bad in both of the last post seasons, and I don't know how he can fix that, right? He doesn't have a mid range jumper.
00:39:25
There's a guy, all this like three in layups, stuff in today's MBA.
00:39:28
There's a guy who I think would really benefit from like a mid range jump shot of some kind honest.
00:39:33
But yeah, I think I'll go.
00:39:35
Luca, what about you guys? I think Luke is a safe bet at this point.
00:39:40
He's a prodigy that, like I feel like we've never seen or haven't seen since. LeBron.
00:39:45
Honestly, you know his numbers.
00:39:47
The M V P.
00:39:48
Caliber this season.
00:39:49
Yeah, arguably, he could have won.
00:39:50
Yeah, I I think I think Lucas a safe bet.
00:39:54
I think Zion might have a little bit of an edge just because I think he has that personality or that ability.
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Thio.
00:40:01
Not that Luca hasn't done it since he was 16 years old, but at the end of this, it might be and I don't know if it's an American effect.
00:40:10
I know if that's the right word really trying to say, but I think I think Zion has had that impact at least locally or at least domestically longer than Luca has.
00:40:18
And it might.
00:40:19
Translator connect.
00:40:20
He might be able to connect better than Luca can.
00:40:22
But I think on on the court standpoint in Lucca is, you know, easily gonna be the best player on the court.
00:40:28
Yeah, I think I would agree.
00:40:30
I can't even think of other options other than you know.
00:40:34
Perhaps you honest, maybe, but him and Zion, maybe John ran right? E stretch, I think.
00:40:42
But yeah, I feel like a lot.
00:40:43
It's hard for a point guard to be that, you know, like that in that conversation.
00:40:47
And we've seen a lot of weight postcards, obviously.
00:40:49
Maybe I take that back.
00:40:50
Actually, that would be a really surprising if you did.
00:40:53
You think about Zion, though? He kind of has that same box office like athleticism that lebron like.
00:41:00
It's freaky what he can do at his size, you know? So e think that that's what kind of maybe puts him in that conversation.
00:41:06
Like maybe if he poems his game, you know, actually becomes like a point forward.
00:41:11
I'll be crazy with his athleticism s.
00:41:13
I mostly just watched highlights.
00:41:14
I didn't actually watch his games too much.
00:41:15
It looked like it was Ah, lot of dunks.
00:41:17
Primarily, right? Like everything.
00:41:18
2 ft from the basket.
00:41:19
Like stuff like that? Yeah.
00:41:21
Extremely efficient.
00:41:22
Like uh huh way.
00:41:27
Looks like we just lost Nafi way Weird.
00:41:29
Uh, yeah.
00:41:32
Oh, here we go.
00:41:33
How much, Adam? Alright, cool.
00:41:35
Guys, I think we just got a technical difficulty.
00:41:37
We are good.
00:41:38
You're back in.
00:41:41
All right. Glad you're back. Yeah.
00:41:43
I mean, um I mean often let's get any other final point.
00:41:46
So I was actually we're just actually about to wrap this up now feel free.
00:41:49
I feel like it just happened with We've got to close out alright.
00:41:53
Yeah.
00:41:54
Heaven.
00:41:55
I really appreciate you coming on the show and just having a talk with Yeah, I love talking basketball any time, man.
00:42:00
I really appreciate it.
00:42:01
E appreciate it. We hope.
00:42:03
Yeah, we hope everything goes well.
00:42:05
Congrats on your future.
00:42:06
Ph d really, really happy for your excited for you And hope that a c l heels up real soon.
00:42:12
Completely Eso Yep.
00:42:15
Thank you.
00:42:16
Take care. Have a good night.
00:42:19
How do I Let's see.
00:42:20
All right.
00:42:23
Is it this mhm? Uh huh.
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Knick-ish @ Nite w/ Evan - LeBron James's Legacy, Mavs Fanhood, Direction of the NBA

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right now, this is a Nick show.
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This is our Nick ish at night segment.
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We got Mo Hanafi here, and this week's guest is an old buddy of mine from high school.
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His name is Evan.
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We played a lot of basketball a long time ago.
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A lot of tournaments that we played in some some dingo.
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So Well, someone Alright, that's that's for the past.
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But, um, I'm very excited bringing Evanses show, so, you know, welcome.
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Evan.
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How you doing, man? Good man. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
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Been following your your show for a little bit.
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A lot of good nick sticks.
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Appreciate that.
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Appreciate you coming on law.
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I mean, my co host mentioned Tournament.
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So how that, like, dynamic work? His teammates Was it like a LeBron Mario Chalmers situation e.
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I'm trying to think we definitely played enough e I guess.
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I guess, Way I'm not sure if we won.
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We definitely got ah championship for sure.
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A couple of times maybe.
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But that was a while ago, but no, we were good, you know, good chemistry.
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E got someone like Kobe and d fish.
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Like the way you know what I'll take.
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I'll take that.
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I'll take the Kobe De Fish comparison definitely wasn't Kobe Shaq, but it was more so like give Evan the ball and get the **** out of the way.
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So e point, so is like like, 07 Kobe kind of thing.
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Oh, I got you.
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No matter how modest he could knock down open shots, you couldn't leave them.
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Let's let's say that you have to respect it.
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Good times.
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Definitely good times.
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I know you've been hoping a lot since, um, I I see you know your posting everyday or not every day, but a lot.
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You bowling.
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So how's that going right now? It's going good.
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So I tore my A sale in January, doing some dumb stuff that Yeah, that sucked.
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Um, but so I lost about six months there.
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But ever since that ended on day, I started hoping again, probably in August on ever since.
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I'm probably, like, a couple of times a week just pick up at the parks now, since all the gyms are closed, but it's a good time.
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Still again. Buckets.
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You live in Philly right now? So how long has that been? That's been for four years, so I'm working on my PhD right now.
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But I'm finishing that up.
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Hopefully, uh, in the spring, but, you know, knock on wood, You know? That's awesome, man.
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Come back to New York, you know, Hopefully Nice. Nice.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What about you guys just showing in New York E? Yeah.
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I mean, I've been in the same.
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I've been in the same place as before, but my partner here actually moved from New York Thio v A.
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So it's been there for a couple of years out.
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What's what's the dynamic like in va right now? I don't even know how to answer that.
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What dynamic we saw ball wiser just because Because Evans always bawling Philly, you know, court are So what's where courts in via probably have be, like, touch the court, like, over a year, you know? I mean, it's like that.
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We're on the same boat.
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Just adult ing gets in the way.
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Simply e.
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I mean, it's kind of sad, but yeah, yeah, life gets in the way.
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So before, before you got on Evan, I was telling Nafi here that you were probably the first Mavericks fan I've ever met in my life.
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You're You're a fan.
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You're a fan of them.
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Before they were, it was cool to be a fan of.
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And what? There's one particular thing that I remember that just for somebody stuck to my memory.
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There was one time we were in the library or I walked into the library.
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You're already there on the computer.
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I was wonder what you're doing because you're a copy pasting an article from ESPN about the Mavericks onto a word.
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Doc, I'm like, Yo, yo, what are you doing? He's like, Yo, if they keep if they catch on ESPN, they kick you off.
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I'm trying to read this **** right now about about dedication.
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E Remember, I was thinking about this earlier today to, uh So I picked the maps, remember? Beat the heat in the 2011 finals.
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And remember, you were giving me mad props about like, for years.
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I, like was rooting for the Mavs anywhere.
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Like, bro, they're never gonna win.
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And then finally, they, like, broke through that a great season on.
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Yeah, People think I'm a LeBron James friend now.
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I, like actively rooted against him for many years until I think I've just matured and, you know, started being attractive, but I'm kind of a similar.
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I mean, I'm not all the way like a fan yet, but you just you can't argue with the legacy.
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Can't argue with the results, you know? I mean, as soon as like, he kind of I always refer to as like when he turned into, like, a cyborg in Miami.
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You know what I mean? Like, it just became, like, totally flawless player, Like a dominant player I've ever seen in my life.
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Like ever since then.
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It's just, like, objectively.
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You can't really throw dirt on his name, you know? Yeah, I totally agree.
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I mean, I kind of hated him in Miami just because at the time, I was still like, yeah, like, ridiculous team.
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But then I, like, grew up in, like, realize, like, all right, he was never gonna get the help in Cleveland the first time.
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So I was like, All right, whatever.
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You know, I guess it made sense, but yeah, in Miami, his game just got so like, just a machine, like you said, you know? I mean, just so good.
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So I e remember what was all the talk? You don't have a postgame.
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He couldn't shoot.
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And then in Miami, he just I feel like in one offseason he just showed up with it.
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I feel like all the JJ Barreda jokes he's got to him.
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And then boom like, evolved.
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Complete player. Yeah, he was, like, so good.
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Even before the Mavs serious.
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And then after that, he just like, I don't even think you get that much better.
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But he did one of the greats, you know? Okay, Yeah, e press the button, but yeah, I agree.
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Totally for LeBron.
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I hated him because he spurned the Cavs.
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I thought he was gonna be a Nick van when I was 15 years old, didn't work out.
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And then I think it's I think it's, I think, when he joined the calves and took him to the NBA Finals and he put up that performance, that was that Jimmy Butler kind of resembled this past season.
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That really the first one, the first one? Yeah.
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And then and then 2016 obviously the students playing at historic levels and that's I think that's solidified him as the top three.
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I think this past postseason definitely solidified him as top two.
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It's really that top one that, you know, that's what Who is? The other third out of curiosity for me, For me, was Kareem saying here, I feel like he gets underrated or under looking kind of this kind of conversation, you know? Zero.
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But yeah, I totally agree.
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I've Kareem in the top three.
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A swell, Yeah.
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If anything, you could probably break it down.
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It's just eras or generations like I feel like clearly, LeBron is the most dominant, just greatest player of this generation, probably since Jordan retired.
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And there's definitely a good case to say he's the best of all time, obviously, you know, But I don't know if you want to get into that.
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I don't feel like you've got a strong takes about that.
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I mean, I mean, I think it's very close, you know? I mean, you guys as well, I'm sure. Yeah.
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I mean, we're not one of those people that are just like, completely denigrating LeBron like he's definitely right there with him, you know? And then I feel like it works the other way to like LeBron.
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They're like extremist LeBron fans that will just completely try to tear down mixed legacy.
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Yeah, you know, that's just what I don't really you know? Yeah, yeah.
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No, I I agree.
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E Think it's more like I don't like like the MJ supporters who just like, mindlessly throw down like the six championships.
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You know, bag, nothing else matters.
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Like bro.
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There's so much more that goes into basketball than just winning championships, especially since it's a team sport.
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You could have a really good team in, you know, or play really like tough teams like the Warriors, for example.
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I mean, you preaching to the choir.
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I mean, we still have fans that, like remember the open three that Danny Green God he missed with fans are like ****ting on LeBron for making that decision.
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That was a great, like move like, Yeah, that's reading the floor.
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You open teammate.
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What, like, is there ever like a time when a coach will tell you shoot through a triple team? You know what I mean? Like that.
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Like there's never a situation unless maybe the shot clock is low or your teammates stock that you would like ever do that, you know, right In this case, it was Danny Green who still, I believe, owns a record for the most threes in N B A Finals.
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Yeah, remember that? Like, what was it, 2013 when he was like, like switching all those threes from me that there's a good shooter like, you know, he was getting death threats and stuff, I guess, because he's a good shooter and he's not supposed to miss it.
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But, you know, it happens.
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They still won.
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E was definitely I was definitely hating on him.
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I would say after I mean, how can you not, right? I mean, your That's your job.
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Why not? You're open.
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Make that job like one job, like literally but e.
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I mean, obviously, LeBron just won his fourth ring.
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So I guess I mean, if we're already at the gold conversation, this pretty much solidifies that, like at least top two ranking, right? I mean, there's no argument there, right? I definitely think that what's Kareem got? Five.
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I think so, Yeah.
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So I guess if you're just going by rings, Kareem is a little ahead.
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But I mean, it's so tough with big men.
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I think it's just easier to compare, like Jordan and LeBron versus like it's been like, Where do you like? Why not pick shock? You know, like, I mean, that was awesome, like you couldn't guard him.
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You know, that's true.
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E feel like the thing was, shock was that was like his peak was crazy.
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But like, I feel like the longevity wasn't there, you know? Yeah, that's LeBron House.
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He does have that over Jordan, for sure.
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Yeah, and a lot of people want to make the argument who was their best at their peaks.
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But then there's also that argument who had a longer peak and LeBron James.
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We're still seeing it could last for another year to knock on wood, maybe longer.
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Who knows? This guy just isn't slowing down.
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Yeah, you just, like, nailed like it right there, you know? I mean, like, yeah, who had the longer it seems like LeBron's had, like, three like peaks, you know? Yeah, it's like all different flavors.
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I feel like like the young calves LeBron toe just the killer ruthless killer in Miami and then what he's been since, You know, I feel like he's like he just have so so much wisdom now like, didn't he say recently that like a 35 year old, LeBron played 27 year old LeBron like he would kill him? You know? Yeah, I heard that.
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It's interesting because I'm always like you still look like athletic.
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I'm always a little surprised.
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It's like crazy athletic.
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He still is at that age.
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Too insane, bro.
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Testing them e mean, so does this make you does make you a Lakers fan now, or are you still not supporting a team? You're just trying to see LeBron win more Titles aside, I've gotten older.
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I like more.
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So just like root for, like, good basketball.
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Maybe it's because, like the Knicks suck And like, you know, like, if the Knicks were good, I would put them, of course.
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And I still, like, watch them pretty frequently.
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I went to 26 years games, both against the Knicks.
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Uh, here.
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Um, but yeah, I guess I'll refer them.
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I like watching Boston play, which I know is like crazy in New York.
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But they're a good team.
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Um, Boston.
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They're the Mavericks.
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Air Good.
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I was just gonna go right there.
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I mean, they're they're old favorite team.
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What do you make of Lucca? And just I feel like folks are already throwing him in that LeBron conversation as far as like projecting his future.
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So, like, what do you see in Lucca now? And I guess what do you kind of think he'll become, You know? Yeah, it's so hard, like when he's so young.
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But, I mean, he's so skilled, remember? Like listening to these people talk like, um, like, eh? So what is he, 20? Probably 20.
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Yeah, right.
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Like 20.
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He's probably better than, like LeBron or magic or at 20 s.
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So it's like, Wow, that's like, you know, I mean, if he could keep getting better, I was surprised.
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Did you guys think like watching him, like when he was young? I like watching him play.
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And I was like, This dude is, like, way too slow, you know? Yeah, And there's a There's an interesting article I forgot who wrote a couple of years back.
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But they really broke out that he has a super slow first step, but he makes it up because he has an excellent last step.
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Hey is able to maneuver his way so it doesn't really matter how slow he is because he's so skilled that when it comes down to a hill, maneuver his way around to get it to get to the basket, doesn't he? Makes he makes up for the lack of athleticism.
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Yeah, sort of like that.
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Paul Pierce e was going exactly that.
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Young clips just like you would see.
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Like because an international ball there's like no hand checking role or whatever.
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So get right up on you.
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And he's just like defender.
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Like, cradled all over him.
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He'll stop on a dime and then open shot like as a young prodigy it was.
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I feel like he was destined for greatness but somehow fell to three.
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So e don't know.
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Yeah, they were good.
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I mean, it's still kind of crazy.
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What were your thoughts? So they have.
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They have cursed stops now, which, like I guess that's still pains you guys or yeah.
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Yeah.
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After seeing after seeing the news from a couple of days ago that he has no timetable for his return.
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Obviously, we hope for every player to have a long sustaining Yeah, play like placed.
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I mean, a long career.
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But when you see a player who just signed a Max contract, not have a timetable to come back.
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And we have a couple of pics that we got out of him, especially for 2021.
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That's unprotected.
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There's a chance that the Mavericks will be a lottery team.
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20 one unprotected.
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Okay, Yeah, I guess that's true.
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Yeah, And then you got when you when you consider all together what? The fact that they were able to create cap space, get Marcus Morris training for another first round pick for the Clippers.
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That's also unprotected there.
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We're gonna have to.
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Well, we won't know for another, you know, two or three years who really one was the Clippers is the Clippers one.
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It's not next year.
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It's, what, 2022 or 23? I believe it's 21 21.
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I think that's the 27th pick that that's okay.
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So this year, Okay, Gotcha.
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And I don't know enough about the 2021 draft, but I think everyone agrees that everyone understands that's gonna be a very, very deep and good draft.
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That didn't work out for the Knicks.
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A lot of so called experts, just referring to the 2021 draft is like one of the legendary ones.
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So I mean, there's a kid by the name of Kate Cunningham.
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He's getting a lot of like, I want to say, LeBron hype, but maybe, like, Zion level hype.
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So, yeah, he's supposed to be, like a 67 point guard that can do everything like similar to LeBron.
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So mellow to see in this draft he's in.
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Yeah, well, is this year okay? Interesting.
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No, I mean, the Knicks will find a way to pick the one, you know? Yeah.
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I mean, when it comes to this year's draft, the Knicks Knicks have the eighth pick.
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So they're probably not going to get Lemelle unless there's some crazy Leon Rose does.
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But like, that's not gonna happen.
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But being funny, you mention that there's a whole bunch of rumors today that we're like we're eyeing, like a trade up now and then.
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Yesterday there's rumors that were trading down toe.
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I don't know what to believe.
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Yeah, well, you have to imagine that the warriors, they're probably gonna trade that pick.
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I would think e think so.
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For them, I mean, they're windows probably not closed in my opinion.
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Um, definitely not.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I don't think they have any much use for a 19 year old traded like the way the Cavs did and get the where they trade Wiggins for Kevin Love.
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That's I think that's the kind of move that the Warriors should look into.
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Yeah, I totally agree.
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I wonder who that, like Kevin Love type player would be for them.
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I was hearing like they're obsessed with the honest.
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I don't know if that would happen, but I hope that doesn't happen.
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You, honest, is being connected to the Mavericks as well.
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And that would be scary, bro.
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And the and the U.
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K P is the third banana.
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What? That's not fair.
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That's not fair.
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That can't happen.
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Then again, it's not fair if you go to Golden State. Either stuff.
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I mean, yeah, I know.
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Just giving him that much space would just be, but she code for sure.
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It really is.
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He'd beat.
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Basically, he'd be, like a two step approach in a dream on for them.
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You know what I mean? Like exactly.
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Grandma knows, you know? Yeah.
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So I don't know if you answer the question So if you're are you, do you really, really root for LeBron? Are you going for any particular team apart from the Knicks? Or is are the Knicks your team that you're rooting for day in and day? I guess.
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Well, honestly, now that LeBron one, I thought he needed one more championship.
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Really like, because I don't know if I felt like there was a big difference between three and four, but maybe not quite.
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And you guys could disagree, but not maybe not quite as big a deal between four and five.
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So now that he's got his fourth chip, I actually want to see James Harden win it to, um, I just He's so good.
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He is so skilled.
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He's like, you know, I don't know.
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He's got some flaws that I feel like there's a little bit of quit in him, like not to sound like, you know, easy, but yeah, like, But I think he's, like, so underrated, the best player to never win a chip, in my opinion, So I want to see him win it.
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That's like who I think I'll root for next year.
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I'd agree.
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I mean, I loved hard and especially like that M v p.
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Race for like Westbrook wanted.
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I felt like pardon had better numbers, and he did the same thing Westbrook did just with less rebounds but better efficiency.
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And his team is better, you know, It was robbed that year.
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Yeah, he's like I'd agree he's probably the best player of this generation that doesn't have a ring, you know? Yeah, I completely agree.
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Um, so I kinda want to see him win one.
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I mean, it would just be such a waste for a guy that, like good toe, you know, never win one.
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But I mean, one could say it was self inflicted, right? I mean, we're all these things coming out.
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I mean, he he wanted White than him and Dwight kind of break off.
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They don't really have a good relationship.
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Same thing with CP three.
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It was all, like, sold to us is like a great partnership.
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Then they both ended up hating each other, Supposedly, you know.
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So that was weird.
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I thought like to trade for Chris Paul.
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Chris Paul for Westbrook was basically the deal e.
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I guess there must have been really bad, like in the locker room or whatever, because it Yeah, yeah, it wasn't even Chris Paul for Westbrook.
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They got a couple of they did get a couple of picks out of it for what's out of the thunder.
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Did they know? E think the Rockets gave a couple of pics? At least one for for Westbrook? Wow, that must because Chris Paul's contract is actually kind of crazy.
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It's like 50 million or 40 million or something, right? 44 million.
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44 e you got.
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I heard.
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He's like, linked to the Knicks.
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I'd want him, you know, just because, like, we're just sick of like, I'm sick of just losing bro and I like, especially when, you know, you heard how they kind of lower the lottery odds.
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So it's a lot more volatile now to kind of tank.
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So it's like, Why not just go for it? And by the end of the season, if we look like a bad team, then Tank, you know.
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But yeah, I don't want to go into the season with another mentality of all this is a rebuild.
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Let's just play the young kids and suck again, you know? Yeah, Chris Paul's a Keith.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I agree.
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And hopefully they want to give up that much form.
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Um, but, I mean, you could do, have toe, you have to make the money work right in the MBA.
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So, like, yeah.
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Yeah.
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And our biggest contract right now is Julius Randle, which were not too big fans off.
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We're getting rid of him.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I actually like that.
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Actually, if they traded it for Chris Paul, I mean, you're not gonna win a championship, but, you know, Yeah, I would do it if you don't have to give up.
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I mean, I was reading that they would want knocks.
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Um, his name was Yeah.
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I mean, I feel like he has had a rough nick career, but for some reason, I believe that if he's on a different team, he would actually be really good.
00:18:45
Yeah.
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Hey, it's like, uh, intangibles on paper.
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He just isn't that good with the Knicks, you know, Typical name, not developing.
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He just looked like the second coming of, like, a bona fide score and summer league.
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And I don't know what happened to that guy.
00:19:00
You know, s you touched on Knox.
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I didn't want to, like, ask you like me and more right here.
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We're just Knicks fans that were in the thick of it were we love our young players were kind of like protective of them.
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But as an outsider, quote unquote, what's your kind of opinion on some of the young players we have? You know, like mentioned knocks? What about R. J.
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Barrett? Frank E.
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R J. Barrett? Obviously.
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I mean, alright, no shade.
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Don't take a fence. I would have rather they got.
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Why am I dirtying the guy in Memphis? Um, Dan Moran.
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Hey, was back in Esso, you guys.
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So it's unfortunate because you guys had the third pick.
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Um, but he's great.
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No, he I mean, he didn't make all NBA first team or second team, right? But like, he bawled out, you know, his team wasn't any good.
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I mean, he had low efficiency numbers, but here, you know, he's gonna get better.
00:19:48
I think you know a lot of James Harden in his game.
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I think like that leftie thing, but definitely we just need to get him some shooters, that thing because there was, like, no spacing.
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And like we all play a ball here.
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It's like you can't play with a bunch of guys that don't have jumpers and it's just like the paint is just packed, you know? Yeah, nobody's Jumper you respect out there.
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So how you gonna go Drive into three guys, you know? So, yeah, that's what e.
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I mean.
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You have Mitchell Robinson to, like, clogging up the pain.
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I mean, he's a good player.
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I was reading your I was like, one of your instagram things.
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You guys are, like, high on him, right? For sure.
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E think it's pretty.
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I think it's pretty.
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Definitely the best player at the Knicks have right now, even including R.
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J. Barrett.
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Um, I would agree.
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He's only promising. Doesn't space the court.
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Everything's a dunk.
00:20:29
Yeah, well, yeah, The good thing we're seeing right now, when it comes to any Mitchell Robinson video.
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Now it's him shooting three pointers.
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I don't know how likely he is gonna do it on the court, but he's definitely showing a possibility of being a shooter.
00:20:41
Alright, at least a corner three shooter and Thibodeau definitely mentioned he wants more corner threes this season, so I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing him, you know, popping from threes s.
00:20:51
So what do you takes on Franken knocks? Because those guys are more.
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Ah, enigmas.
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So, so, frank.
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I'm not high on.
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I would say, Knox, I not such a good rookie year.
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A solid rookie year.
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In my opinion, he kind of fell off this past year, right? Um, but I just like on I could see him being a good player, just on a different team.
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E, I don't know, like, maybe this is just, you know, like seeing the Knicks every year, like it seems, you know, we give away Tim Hardaway Jr.
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Then he starts bawling out for, like, the Mavs and stuff, you know? So I don't know.
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He should be good, right? He's got, like, good intangibles, like, kind of quick, long, You know, you would get from a good player from Kentucky, you know, and like with the Kentucky process, you always see like they always like they don't show a lot in college, but they get the coaching behind the scenes and then they blow up in the NBA like Devin Booker Tyler hero on You got Kevin knocks stuff.
00:21:45
I mean, that's just the Knicks.
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Look right there.
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Yeah, I like him.
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I'm not as high on, uh, Latino, though.
00:21:52
What about you guys? You guys, You guys are fans.
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It's hard.
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It's hard not to be a fan of Frank because he if you're a Knicks fan, you you kind of have the underdog mentality.
00:22:02
And I think Frank for a lot of fans, A lot of fans sign them off.
00:22:05
So a lot of those who love Frank seem kind of by that underdog mentality.
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He is a lock down defender at the end of the day, so between one or the other, he definitely has.
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That lacks confidence.
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But we've seen when he does have confidence, he's a lot better.
00:22:19
This season was a lot better for Frank.
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I think I would be surprised if they trade him away.
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They got a good return.
00:22:26
Uh, yeah, contractor.
00:22:29
So he's got to show up, but yeah, I mean, he's, you know, he's a top 10 pick, but feel like two years into his tenure on the next, we both kind of realized it's probably best if he turns into like a hyper role player, you know, kind of like how Iggy was on Golden State.
00:22:43
You know, you keep up that lock down D and get like a respectable jumper, I'll take that, you know, and yeah, e like, he hasn't really gotten a fair shake.
00:22:52
You know, we get a new coach every year, and then they all end up, like limiting, limiting his minutes while we see other young players on other teams.
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You know, get the chance to at least get a lot of minutes.
00:23:01
Get playing time, you know? So yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:06
Switching it over just a little bit.
00:23:07
What were your thoughts and Jimmy Butler's play this past? Oh, that was crazy.
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I mean, I thought Jimmy Butler was a good player.
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You guys did to probably like e what? You know.
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I mean, I've never, like, sat down and rank them, but, I mean, he was bawling out.
00:23:21
He looked like he was a top five player in the in the finals, right? Like, where did that? You know, actually, eso I live in Philly now, so I mean, I'm definitely not a sixers fan, but I do follow the sixers on, and they were saying like, where? Did you know what I mean? Like, where the heck did this come from? Like he didn't do this for us.
00:23:37
But I guess, like, with all that spacing on the court, you know, like you said earlier about the Knicks, where they don't have any spacing, like with all that spacing, you know, he can you know, he runs that pick and roll is basically unguardable What it was It was it, Jimmy the closer in the playoff success that Philly did have, you know, like he was the unofficial quote.
00:23:53
I mean, way liked him, but he definitely wasn't this.
00:23:56
You know, this looks like, you know, he was what, like one of the best players he played the honest to write like Yeah, yeah.
00:24:04
Yeah, right.
00:24:06
You honest? I think like in my head, like took.
00:24:08
I used to think of him is, like, right there with, like, LeBron and co.
00:24:11
I he took, like, a few steps back like this playoffs, I think state actually sticking with with the sixth Astros, Phillies with the Sixers first that, um, where the fans like in Philadelphia because you grew up in New York.
00:24:23
You've seen how Knicks fans, how crazy that could be despite all the losses, and Philadelphia has dealt with their fair share of losses.
00:24:29
So, I mean, the last four years, you probably the most success they've had in the better part of two decades.
00:24:35
Ah, you know, what are they, like? Similar, except probably mawr.
00:24:42
I don't know.
00:24:43
How do you say I feel like? And this No disrespect.
00:24:45
I feel like New Yorkers are a little bit Mawr entitled.
00:24:47
You know, um, they feel like they deserve the Knicks to be better.
00:24:52
You know what I mean? It's like this bitterness that we deserve better and all that.
00:24:55
You know what I mean? Like the Sixers air.
00:24:57
Just like if we're not winning, you know, like they're angry, You know what I mean? Like just perpetually angry.
00:25:02
They're mad at the coach they're mad at, Like, um, you know, I think they've really bought into the tank the process.
00:25:07
Actually, I think everyone got on board with that, but like, well, I mean, this past season, they were like, just killing the Sixers and the Phillies, like they're also like, were underachieving like, you know, I mean, just like all of them.
00:25:18
The eagles with parts and wins just like destroying him and you know, so I don't know.
00:25:24
It's like similar, but like less entitlement.
00:25:27
It feels like the Sixers fans in Philly they just idolized and beat.
00:25:31
So, like, what's that dynamic like? Do they like, not **** with Ben Simmons like that? Or like, are they willing to give up Simmons to keep them beat and build on him? I disagree.
00:25:40
I think they I think there is bitterness towards and be because, like there's always this narrative that he doesn't eat well, Have you guys heard this outside? He's a fact.
00:25:49
You know, you just eat all this **** and that's why he can't, um, you know, play full 48 minutes and that's why it's missing all these games.
00:25:54
So there I think there is bitterness towards it.
00:25:56
And now I think there is, like, the legitimate discussion, like, Alright, what we dio because, like, you know, are we are you know, can we win with both of them, or do we have to trade one and then, like all right, well, if we could trade one who do we keep? And I think based on the way this past postseason went, where they really got destroyed by Boston.
00:26:14
I think it's swaying towards, um, they want to keep Ben on, get rid of him. Be.
00:26:20
You know, you do.
00:26:21
If you were in Philly issues like I think I I think I agree.
00:26:24
I think I would I think I would do Simmons.
00:26:26
Not that I'm the biggest Simmons fan, but, you know, like, obviously the parallel with, like, you should be like a Yanis, right? Except like if you put a shooter around him, you know, I mean, like, a bunch of shooters instead of him be then, you know, that's basically honest right there.
00:26:39
So he should, you know that.
00:26:41
But like being there kind of clogs the paint and, like, for sure facing, um And then also indeed, you have to imagine he's gonna get hurt.
00:26:50
He probably has.
00:26:51
Like what? Like a three year? You know what I mean? Like four years of like that level.
00:26:54
He's always like, every time he falls, you hold your breath and stuff, so yeah, well, you said they really bought into the process movement, and Brett Brown was a big part of that.
00:27:04
So with his firing, what was the general feeling in Philly.
00:27:08
And now that Doc Rivers was signed in just a couple of days later and being there being there, what's the overall feeling over there? So, I mean, what's their overall feeling or my feelings? That kind of disagree with them here.
00:27:22
They thought that firing breath Brown would solve all their problems.
00:27:26
I think it's like a roster issue saying, Yeah, you find the wrong guy.
00:27:31
Yeah.
00:27:32
You know, you you have Horford like, why would you get Horford? You know, I mean, I know you want to take him away from Boston, but now you can't match up with Toronto.
00:27:40
You know, like the defending champions at the time.
00:27:42
I still don't think you could be Boston like they just made a lot of questionable decisions.
00:27:47
They got rid of Red****.
00:27:48
You know, all of their shooters.
00:27:50
They had Belinelli a few years ago.
00:27:51
He was good, you know? I mean, like, yeah, and they're kind of trapped, too, because who wants Horford's contract? So or Tobias Harris like, what's the feeling around him? Because he got such a huge contract like I had to double check my phone when I saw that notification last summer.
00:28:05
Like the same time that I add an extra one in there.
00:28:09
Yeah, it's crazy that you get 180 million likes to report.
00:28:13
App is tripping, bro.
00:28:15
There's definitely a lot of bitterness towards him as well.
00:28:17
I mean, especially like watching Jimmy because it was effectively right.
00:28:20
Like either we paid Tobias repay Jimmy Butler.
00:28:22
Now watching Jimmy Butler ball out in Miami, it makes it that much worse.
00:28:26
So, yeah, I mean, I'm not sure what you do, though.
00:28:29
I mean, I do.
00:28:30
You think Doc Rivers is gonna, you know, like, what can he do much? You know, that's better.
00:28:35
I don't imagine maybe unless it short of Gregg Popovich coming.
00:28:38
You know, I don't see them like getting any better.
00:28:42
I mean, I mean, I guess Silver Lining is Maybe Tobias Harris had his best season under doc.
00:28:48
But I'm skeptical.
00:28:49
I feel like the same as you is like, What you gonna do with Tobias? You can't trade him.
00:28:52
Because who would want him? You know, like I don't know.
00:28:55
Yeah, that's a ridiculous contracts.
00:28:56
Same with Al Horford.
00:28:57
I mean, and you're still stuck. Exactly.
00:29:01
Now, like also like the other thing I brought up like So now the process.
00:29:05
Right? So you how do you justify to your fans blowing it up immediately? Right? And trading one of those two players like you made them wait all this time, trust the process and now you're gonna blow it up Like, what? Were we trusting? You know, So that's like the counter.
00:29:17
Every time I say you have to trade one of them that they bring up like you can't trade them your your stock Exactly.
00:29:23
But that would have just kept him kept Brown.
00:29:25
Get a new GM because I really think Elton Brand is in over his head.
00:29:29
Like Was he like the first time GM He's never even worked in the front office before before he got the job.
00:29:33
That's crazy.
00:29:34
Yeah, I have no idea.
00:29:37
It's kind of funny that they have that philosophy, like always draft the best player on now like Look what's happened.
00:29:43
Your players aren't compatible at all, you know, on like obviously yeah, yeah, that's a fact way.
00:29:52
Probably lost track of the number of lottery picks that they have and they've given away, uh, Nerlens.
00:29:57
Noel was a pic pic uh, desire.
00:30:00
That's still on the team.
00:30:01
Or is he just? Yeah.
00:30:04
This is not a bend she could have been.
00:30:05
You go there. Okay.
00:30:07
For, like, yeah.
00:30:08
Just so many of them that had just gave away or yeah.
00:30:11
Then we just seem to the conference finals.
00:30:13
That would have he would have been perfect fit.
00:30:14
I feel like Yeah, for sure. Right? Right.
00:30:17
He could hit and knocked out like a spot up.
00:30:19
Three places.
00:30:20
Gonna get He's gonna get the bag.
00:30:21
Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
00:30:26
Interesting.
00:30:27
Hopefully Denver could retain them, for sure.
00:30:32
Yeah.
00:30:33
I mean, I feel like he'd be a nice fit on the Knicks, but, you know, that's neither here nor there, you know? Oh, I think Well, OK, yeah, e.
00:30:38
I want to see Denver take that next leap to their They're a good team for sure.
00:30:42
What do you think Yokich like? He's basically like we talked about all the, like, LeBron doing stuff we've never seen before. I feel like Yokich.
00:30:49
I've never seen a point center like that before, you know? Like, who's the best big man pastor before he came on the scene like Marc Gasol, right? You know, uh, e.
00:30:58
Yeah.
00:30:59
Good point.
00:31:00
Yeah, man, that was That was crazy That Did you guys watch? Did you guys like, follow that? Syriza clippers e was insane.
00:31:06
I mean, they looked like I mean, that 15 screen and roll out.
00:31:10
I mean, it was unguardable untouchable.
00:31:12
Exactly.
00:31:13
And clippers supposedly had, like, the lock down perimeter, and then Denver couldn't stop scoring, so yeah, so I was wrong there.
00:31:20
Did you guys buy into that team I like? Did you guys, like, really think they were as good as everyone was saying they were? Or this is the Nuggets.
00:31:28
So no clippers.
00:31:29
I definitely thought so, I thought.
00:31:31
But I personally have always been kind of not as high on Dhaka's.
00:31:35
Like, I guess the general consensus is I feel like, to be honest with you, I feel like he owes his like reputation to K G and Tom Thibodeau.
00:31:41
Because Tom Thibodeau orchestrated that defense and K g was the anchor.
00:31:45
And that defense is one of the best of all time.
00:31:47
They wrecked the league one ring and then docks has been sitting Koshi ever since because yeah, yeah, no, I agree with you.
00:31:54
Um but I just I didn't buy into Paul.
00:31:56
George is like the second best player on a legitimate team.
00:31:59
Um, not to be a hater, but no, I mean, that's facts.
00:32:03
I mean, even quite in buying because supposedly had a wish list, it was like a D. Nope, He's going to Brooklyn.
00:32:08
I want Jimmy.
00:32:09
Wait.
00:32:10
No, Jimmy's going to Miami.
00:32:11
He even wanted Bradley Bill, apparently over Paul George.
00:32:13
And they just settled on Paul George.
00:32:14
So But they might have even been better if they had kept, like, Shakil Standard and like, you know, like in my opinion.
00:32:26
But, you know, I don't know.
00:32:29
But it was a good Siri's.
00:32:31
Regardless, you know, I thought by the end of it, the Nuggets really kind of like proof that they were better, though, in my opinion.
00:32:37
But yeah, the future is bright.
00:32:40
But the thing about what could I do with the Clippers? I feel like this.
00:32:43
What collided last summer.
00:32:44
I feel like it only asked LeBron's legacy because LeBron kicked off all that player empowerment.
00:32:48
Like I get to pick my teammate, I get to dictate our franchise built a Romney and Co.
00:32:53
I took that playbook and ran with it last summer with the Clippers.
00:32:56
So I feel like that's That's a major part of LeBron's legacy that I feel like it's underrated in certain, like places.
00:33:01
You know what I mean? Like not even just on the court.
00:33:03
He just affected the entire player culture, You know what I mean? Yeah.
00:33:06
I guess he was the first to do it.
00:33:08
Um, you took all that heat to, like, literally.
00:33:11
I mean, workplace e think it was, like, even more so because he was, like, the best right at that time.
00:33:20
So, you know, we all kind of, like thought he would do that MJ thing where just stays with the same team and just wins and wins and wins.
00:33:26
But, like, you know, then he teamed up with Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh was like, All right, it's ridiculous.
00:33:31
Yeah, we've never seen anything like that before.
00:33:33
Like, I know back then I was kind of just mad cause I got love.
00:33:35
The d Wade was LeBron matchups.
00:33:37
You know what I mean? Like so he has a fan.
00:33:39
Those games is crazy, you know, like turned into one on one.
00:33:42
Basically, But I thought what Katie did, like, was even worse.
00:33:46
Like whatever that was.
00:33:47
Uh oh, yeah.
00:33:49
Joining the 73 win team and the winning two titles after I was actually just by bringing Katie.
00:33:53
Because I I think you've mentioned in the past that you're not too high.
00:33:56
And Katie Well, I mean, this is interesting.
00:33:59
I mean, he's, like e mean.
00:34:02
I mean, he's a great player, right? Like we all acknowledge that.
00:34:05
But remember, like, after he won the first time and even the second time, there was that whole narrative like, Oh, is he better than LeBron like bro? You just you have all these players around, You know what I mean? Like, obviously, it helps, you know? I mean, like, it was just so ridiculous to me on.
00:34:19
Then what really was interesting, like, so he got hurt last year.
00:34:24
Um, And then, like, remember everyone just talking like, wouldn't it be interesting if the Warriors just one without him? And then, you know, I mean, like, prove that he's not really that valuable, But then, like Clay Thompson got hurt.
00:34:34
And we never got to find out which is probably like the real trash.
00:34:37
Any tourist Achilles which, like, you know, that obviously sucks for E feel like as an expense.
00:34:43
Like, I feel like once he saw that, like that Achilles that, like all the Katie, the Knicks stuff just went out the window because, hey, had no poll.
00:34:50
Who's gonna, like, wanna be recruited by a guy with on a bum leg? You know, So you kind of road Chirico tells, you know? Yeah.
00:34:57
I mean, I wonder if there, uh, you know, do you think they're gonna be any good? Yeah, definitely.
00:35:03
That's just too much talent.
00:35:04
You know, as much as I don't **** with Brooklyn, you know, like, you gotta just objectively say, like, those air, too dangerous scores.
00:35:10
And they get on the same page because I'm still skeptical that that locker room, like, sticks together.
00:35:15
You know, just kind of dudes that air, like, leading the locker room.
00:35:19
I would even call Kyrie a locker room leader, like in two K either, like yeah, I was actually reading that they were planning on trading.
00:35:28
They're like young players for Paul George to, um which I don't know.
00:35:33
I don't know.
00:35:34
I was like, All right.
00:35:35
I don't know if that's a good idea.
00:35:36
I would probably keep like Caris Levert and those guys e like Jared Allen a lot.
00:35:41
And then they just They benched him for DeAndre Jordan because he's cool with e a kind of a bad culture to me, you know? So I wonder if national coming and just take care of that right away.
00:35:51
I bet you KD and Curry just ship like exactly you said Jared Allen thrown in a pile with the young players.
00:35:56
Go get Bradley Beal or Paul George or something, you know.
00:35:59
Well, e don't know.
00:36:00
I'm looking forward to see I mean, this will be like the first when I say I don't like Katie.
00:36:04
I just mean, like, I don't really value his championships like, very highly.
00:36:07
I don't e I mean, like, yeah, they seemed unearned, you know, like I would even worse than LeBron right going to Miami.
00:36:15
In my opinion, e, I feel like the very fact that there's even a debate about it just proves the point that, like, you know, that those rings are kind of held in a lesser regard.
00:36:22
You know what I mean? For sure, I feel like a d himself on into that hype like he thought if he beat LeBron, he was better.
00:36:28
That's not how it works.
00:36:29
Like, you know, or like a top two point guard of all time just won the title himself.
00:36:37
That's three point shooters of all time.
00:36:39
And, like a stretch big, that's like passes like a point guard in drama, you know? I mean, yeah, like, that was so They were just so good.
00:36:47
Yeah, Best of all time.
00:36:49
Like a time, you know, like so on top of all of that, So, yeah, I just don't, like, view him as but we'll see, like, you know, So now he's got his own team.
00:36:59
I guess he's the best player, maybe the leader.
00:37:01
You know, um, we'll see.
00:37:03
I mean, I think the East has gotten a lot better to like, you know, like Miami.
00:37:07
I was legitimately nervous.
00:37:08
I thought that they could be the Lakers.
00:37:09
They were so good.
00:37:10
You know, so many options offensively.
00:37:12
So so good defensively to, um, well coached.
00:37:15
So, yeah, I think the East has gotten a lot better, so we'll see what happens.
00:37:20
I don't think it's like a guarantee, though, that they'll just marched through the East and get to the finals.
00:37:25
You guys, you guys think it's Ah, it's a lock The Brooklyn after going to the finals next year, Um, I feel like it depends what the Milwaukee does, because I feel like they're kind of on the clock.
00:37:36
They got literally one year before Yanis can leave, so they might just make a desperation play for some form of an All Star or something like that.
00:37:42
You know, it's to be seen, I feel like, but I feel like Brooklyn's the favorites.
00:37:46
Yeah, I think I think it's Eastern Conference finals or bust at this free zone.
00:37:52
Just get there.
00:37:53
They had to at least make it to the Eastern Conference finals to be somewhat respectable.
00:37:56
If it's about, consider.
00:37:57
I mean, assuming they're all healthy throughout the season, that's gotta be the expectation, you know, on ifit's to means the current bucks team that they play against and they still lose.
00:38:08
I think there'll still be a bus because they got both.
00:38:09
Katie Kyrie, honest, is by himself. Yeah.
00:38:12
Oh, yeah. You're right for sure.
00:38:14
You honestly by himself? Yeah, I totally agree.
00:38:16
So, um, since we're on that like topic of Yana.
00:38:19
So we just mentioned you, honest, Like to kind of close this out.
00:38:21
I know we're like getting getting to that time.
00:38:24
I did have a question.
00:38:25
You know, Thistle's kind of LeBron themed episode Is there anybody study in the league right now that you kind of see as that next LeBron like that next faces league? Or is it still to be determined like a young player? You know, like a guy that could kind of take off and be a goat level guy? I don't know.
00:38:43
I mean, I think the player that I would have said like, ah, year ago would have been honest.
00:38:47
But now I think more Luca and just add on Not just best player by thing, just MBA impact.
00:38:54
Because they're like Jordan had that impact.
00:38:58
LeBron had that impact.
00:39:00
Not just yeah, all encompassing.
00:39:02
Just like an eye contact.
00:39:04
Look, I would I think I might go, Luke.
00:39:08
I mean, you might think Zions a possibility, but that's still, like, kind of skeptical, you know? I mean, like, I'm not a prophet.
00:39:13
Yeah, exactly.
00:39:15
So, um, I would have said you honest, but I mean, he really got exposed pretty bad in both of the last post seasons, and I don't know how he can fix that, right? He doesn't have a mid range jumper.
00:39:25
There's a guy, all this like three in layups, stuff in today's MBA.
00:39:28
There's a guy who I think would really benefit from like a mid range jump shot of some kind honest.
00:39:33
But yeah, I think I'll go.
00:39:35
Luca, what about you guys? I think Luke is a safe bet at this point.
00:39:40
He's a prodigy that, like I feel like we've never seen or haven't seen since. LeBron.
00:39:45
Honestly, you know his numbers.
00:39:47
The M V P.
00:39:48
Caliber this season.
00:39:49
Yeah, arguably, he could have won.
00:39:50
Yeah, I I think I think Lucas a safe bet.
00:39:54
I think Zion might have a little bit of an edge just because I think he has that personality or that ability.
00:40:00
Thio.
00:40:01
Not that Luca hasn't done it since he was 16 years old, but at the end of this, it might be and I don't know if it's an American effect.
00:40:10
I know if that's the right word really trying to say, but I think I think Zion has had that impact at least locally or at least domestically longer than Luca has.
00:40:18
And it might.
00:40:19
Translator connect.
00:40:20
He might be able to connect better than Luca can.
00:40:22
But I think on on the court standpoint in Lucca is, you know, easily gonna be the best player on the court.
00:40:28
Yeah, I think I would agree.
00:40:30
I can't even think of other options other than you know.
00:40:34
Perhaps you honest, maybe, but him and Zion, maybe John ran right? E stretch, I think.
00:40:42
But yeah, I feel like a lot.
00:40:43
It's hard for a point guard to be that, you know, like that in that conversation.
00:40:47
And we've seen a lot of weight postcards, obviously.
00:40:49
Maybe I take that back.
00:40:50
Actually, that would be a really surprising if you did.
00:40:53
You think about Zion, though? He kind of has that same box office like athleticism that lebron like.
00:41:00
It's freaky what he can do at his size, you know? So e think that that's what kind of maybe puts him in that conversation.
00:41:06
Like maybe if he poems his game, you know, actually becomes like a point forward.
00:41:11
I'll be crazy with his athleticism s.
00:41:13
I mostly just watched highlights.
00:41:14
I didn't actually watch his games too much.
00:41:15
It looked like it was Ah, lot of dunks.
00:41:17
Primarily, right? Like everything.
00:41:18
2 ft from the basket.
00:41:19
Like stuff like that? Yeah.
00:41:21
Extremely efficient.
00:41:22
Like uh huh way.
00:41:27
Looks like we just lost Nafi way Weird.
00:41:29
Uh, yeah.
00:41:32
Oh, here we go.
00:41:33
How much, Adam? Alright, cool.
00:41:35
Guys, I think we just got a technical difficulty.
00:41:37
We are good.
00:41:38
You're back in.
00:41:41
All right. Glad you're back. Yeah.
00:41:43
I mean, um I mean often let's get any other final point.
00:41:46
So I was actually we're just actually about to wrap this up now feel free.
00:41:49
I feel like it just happened with We've got to close out alright.
00:41:53
Yeah.
00:41:54
Heaven.
00:41:55
I really appreciate you coming on the show and just having a talk with Yeah, I love talking basketball any time, man.
00:42:00
I really appreciate it.
00:42:01
E appreciate it. We hope.
00:42:03
Yeah, we hope everything goes well.
00:42:05
Congrats on your future.
00:42:06
Ph d really, really happy for your excited for you And hope that a c l heels up real soon.
00:42:12
Completely Eso Yep.
00:42:15
Thank you.
00:42:16
Take care. Have a good night.
00:42:19
How do I Let's see.
00:42:20
All right.
00:42:23
Is it this mhm? Uh huh.

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