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00:00:22
Oh, gp with myself, Adam.
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Okay, Mac.
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Oh, it's you know, Adam, you say healthy.
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And the only reason why I'm healthy is because I went to the dentist yesterday.
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Good for you, buddy.
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Getting the checkups done even.
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You know, even in times when maybe you let some things fall by the wayside.
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Also, what does the case stand for in your name? E mean, there is no Okay, But I like you throwing, Throwing out there coincidentally, Adam, I don't have a middle initial.
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I don't have a middle name.
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My parents said you already stuck with two names. You can't decide.
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Why give you a third, Are you? Are you the youngest of the of the family? I am the youngest of three.
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Yeah, now I still got a middle names.
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That means my parents were holding on to a little bit of love by the time they got down to the third child for you guys.
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You know, it was all over for May they let me let me run free on.
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Look at the results, people.
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And here we are, baby.
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Get quality results like that by being hyper focused on all of your Children that got off the rails a little bit to start, but let's go ahead and dive in on what is the midweek chauffeur? O g p.
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Obviously there's that there actually is some nice news and notes around the Giants and moves they're gonna get made here some chances for optimism on the offensive side of the bowl, but we're coming off of the tradition, right? Tuesday Night Football.
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As we all know, I I did not have the Tennessee Titans absolutely destroying the Bills after their hiatus, last playing on September 27th.
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So they blow out the Bills last night.
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Still great to see some football, but on the tail end of that, you have a coach firing following a Sunday's games there in Atlanta.
00:02:46
You've also got some player releases, and I know Andy that you keeping your pulse on the New York football Giants fan base have heard some things around the NFL and one recently released Levian Bill.
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Well, Adam, it's natural.
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Any time a player gets released, it's only human natural.
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It's yes, exactly.
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That fan base all of a sudden envisions that player in that uniforms and says, We got to go out and get that guy.
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You know, Take Mohammed Sunu a couple weeks ago, gets released by the Patriots, then signs with the 40 Niners gets released by the 40 Niners.
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Every giant fans like we need Mohammed's new like he is the guy and they start building themselves up.
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You know around the league right after the game.
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You know, there were some whispers around the league that the Jets were actively trying to trade their start running back Le'veon Bell because of his inflated and blow to contract.
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The fact that he's unhappy, the fact he has no production on a very, very terrible team, you know, he was going to be lucky to get a conditional seventh round pick out of it.
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Nothing actually materialize because no one wanted to take on a good portion of the Contract with Libyan on the New York Jets released Levian Bell yesterday evening.
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And you know, you and I were texting back and forth, just like oh kind of footnote Levy on Bell gets released.
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And then, you know, I just like, go on Twitter and I go on social media.
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And it's like the five potential landing spots for Leave Ian Bell.
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And shockingly, the Giants appeared in them Mawr often than not, And Adam, I'll turn it over to you.
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Please explain to me why the New York Giants show up on the list of the five teams that should be looking at Libyan Bell.
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Well, as my buddy who is, a Jets fan, said.
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We talked about it last night during the game as well through text.
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And he goes, Yeah, they released Bell.
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He was like, So you release Bell? But Adam Gates is still your head coach.
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Like he was like, I can't figure out what's happening with my team right now.
00:04:42
Um, but on the bell side of things, listen, do I think that that Bell still has value to a team in the league? Ah, 100%.
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You got to remember Levian Bell was signed to the Jets on the last G M's tab, so he's brought in there.
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Now it's a holdover, and Adam gazed at the time when they when they got him, they didn't.
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He didn't want him right.
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He didn't wanna have that much money tied up into a running back, but they went ahead and did it anyway.
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Now you roll over to Douglas, and Douglas is trying to correct some of those past mistakes.
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So that's why this move finally comes.
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And ultimately, when you're in the Jets position, you haven't won a game yet this season.
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It's about trying to build right for the years to come that may sound familiar.
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Why? Because that's what the Giants were doing.
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They also do not have a win this season, and they are building for the years to come.
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We brought in Devante Freeman, which is which is a nice little veteran peace to supplement the rest of the running back room and other teams championship level aspiring teams who may be suffer an injury at the running back position.
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There's a couple of that come to mind.
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They may look at Bell.
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It doesn't make any sense for the Giants.
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I don't know how much the fan base, you know, relative to the media speculating around it.
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But if there's any portion of the fan base out there, the things that live Ian Bell should be brought into the Giants.
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It's not.
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This isn't about even Bell.
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It's just about why would you do that in a year where you have so much young talent you're trying to grow with? So I was thinking about this, too, because I felt the exact same way that you did about where the John should go with this.
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You know, the the counter argument or the reason why the Giants should bring in Bell has, ah, couple of different points that I wanted. Thio.
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Get your perspective on the first one is look any time that you can bring in a veteran at the veteran minimum who's still productive and can can perform and play.
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You should bring him in because it helps the team overall.
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The the second piece of it is you're really looking at Daniel Jones.
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And to find out if he is the quarterback of the future, if you have the ability to go get Mawr talent around him to get a better sample size and evaluation of Daniel Jones for the rest of the year, you go do that.
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And then the third piece of it is and this one's a little bit amorphous.
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But who knows is you're still uncertain about the health in the future of, say, Kwan Barkley.
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You Onley sign Devonta Freeman on a one year deal.
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You you have Dion Lewis on a short term deal when government is still on a rookie contract.
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Is there scenario next year where potentially Levian Bell could be on the roster past this year for rebuilding Giants team and you have some kind of combination of steak wanted Levy on.
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Now, I know that sounds crazy, but at the end of day, those air three counterpoints where I say I'm not gonna be mad if they bring Levy on building.
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But there's just so many other areas that we need help.
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Yeah, maybe it's more of that, too, I guess you would say, if you're if you're the Giants and you're going to bring in a player like left Bell and by the way you said on the veterans minimum, I don't know that That's the scenario he comes in on just because we think nobody had any interest in him.
00:07:38
They didn't have any interest in him at that price point that the Jets were paying him.
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Teams will still offer him some form of a contract.
00:07:44
A reasonable one, right? If Devante Freeman's contract was an incentive, incentive laden $3 million contract from the Giants, a guy who wasn't even in the league, you know, leave Ian Bell, who for all intensive purposes, maybe hasn't been in the league this year.
00:07:57
But you know, he's gonna probably you're probably gonna be talking about closer to four or five with incentives up to maybe 16.
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I mean, there could be some real money getting spent on a running back like that over what will be the last 11 games here this season and that.
00:08:12
So that is much a factor for me from the giant side of it as well.
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And then the little footnote.
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When you talk about the running backs, I will say he's the best like for, like, replacement for a, say, Kwame Barkley in terms of being multifaceted, right, both running and receiving.
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We know the receiving.
00:08:26
The receivers have had their issues here on the Giants as well, but we're gonna touch on this a little bit later on.
00:08:32
Has Freeman been okay and serviceable? Certainly What I really liked is that we've seen after that first week where Freeman came in and Goldman got a big chunk of snaps because Freeman wasn't ready yet.
00:08:44
Now, in the last couple of games, though, Goldman still ticking up 10 carries two weeks ago, 12 in this past one, and he's actually averaging on 15 carries, small sample size on the season.
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He's actually averaging five yards a carry and is showing real power between the tackles.
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So while I don't you know? While I think having one guy that does mawr things is better, having a few guys like the Giants do right now that you could supplement and rotating is fine by me.
00:09:09
And that completely overlooks the peace around.
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Leave Ian Bell and maybe being a bit of a malcontent on a bad roster, right? Yeah. Yeah.
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And the other piece of it is like, Why would leaving on Bell? Wanna come to the Giants? The Giants are owned five.
00:09:21
They're not going to the playoffs.
00:09:22
So, like it takes two to tango in a situation like this.
00:09:24
So the only scenario where the Giants, even in the realm of possibility here is he doesn't want to move his stuff like out of the MetLife Stadium.
00:09:34
He likes the the apartment that he got.
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He just got new duvet covers.
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And, like he really likes to set up from from Ikea and West Elm that he has in his apartment in Hoboken, like ****.
00:09:45
There's no real scenario for him to come here unless he looks at and says this is an opportunity for me to be a 12 with Devonta Freeman and reset my market going into next year where I can then get a multiyear contract.
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But a guy like leaving on, he's getting older.
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I think he's 28 years old.
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He's gonna want to go to a team that's ready to win now, where he can be a contributing factor to that.
00:10:03
And also he can reset his market on a team that also is being competitive right now, right? Like you can sign a little one year remainder of the season, deal somewhere, be competitive this year and then also have no intention of returning to them or put them in a difficult spot, that team to be almost obligated to bring him back, etcetera.
00:10:19
So, uh, fun to talk fun to think about ringing that bell, but I'll go ahead and leave that string just dangling delicately between Never my fingers so shall touch.
00:10:29
Uh, would have been better.
00:10:31
Fight said that cleanly in the other areas.
00:10:34
Now, as we turn our attention, of course, the New York football Giants there are the updates around injuries and roster moves so big, positive.
00:10:42
Sterling Shepard is getting close right? This is the week when he can come back from that three week IR stint.
00:10:50
He's getting healthier.
00:10:52
You saw the way Ah, player like Darius Slate was really able to go off against the Cowboys.
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And you just think, man, even as bad as the Cowboys secondary is introducing Mawr dynamic weapons back into this wide receiver corps is important.
00:11:07
And in that vein the Giants made a move waving rat Lee from the roster and officially elevating Mac to the wide receiver group on the active roster.
00:11:17
He will be dressed.
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You can't, uh, if you could only do it once or twice.
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If it doesn't start in the game.
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Doesn't see reps is not active on game day.
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You can shuffle in between the practice squad on the active roster.
00:11:26
He is now officially entrenched, though you will see him get some reps.
00:11:29
What are your thoughts around the new look for this receiver? Yeah.
00:11:34
I mean, listen raptly didn't really make an impact, you know, with with with Golden Tate missing a game with Sterling Shepard out, you thought this is an opportunity for Damian Rally coming over from Cleveland to really show some of that athleticism and speed that that you know, may teams, you know, Google at him coming out of college, and we just didn't see that on the field, you know, four catches for 63 yards.
00:11:57
I think he had eight total targets, so he only was able to haul in about 50% of the balls that were thrown in his direction.
00:12:02
And to be honest with you, the most noteworthy play he played was a pass interference penalty against the Cowboys that took back a Darius Slaten touchdown.
00:12:10
So, like when you think about his impact, it really has been nothing in terms of catching the ball.
00:12:15
And actually, it's been a detriment cause it took seven off the board.
00:12:17
So I'm excited.
00:12:19
We have talked, and fans have talked about some of the wide receivers that we have on the practice squad.
00:12:25
Benjamin Victor, Alex Bachmann.
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And now Austin Dillon gets the, you know, the first call up here to be able to show some things 6 to 23 years old.
00:12:34
Um, yeah, I know he's in a little bit more of ah, possession guy.
00:12:37
Um, you know, what are your thoughts about how he fits in in the in the wide receiver group? Yeah, again.
00:12:44
We talked about this even going back to bringing in Golden Tate initially on that contract, right? A little bit of redundancy with what you think.
00:12:50
Sterling Shepard does well, but right now and I know it zits tricky because you look at and you say, Well, the separation stats hurt you because that's what you lose when you don't have speed guys.
00:13:01
But I think that right now with the as we're going to get into the offensive line and that development from Daniel Jones perspective, it's Hey, we want guys that you can get the ball out of your hands quickly to and trust, to make those catches, maybe get some yards after the catch and try to move.
00:13:15
These chains were not a big, deep down the field team because the time just isn't there for Jones in the pockets unnecessarily.
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Assess.
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So while I may have my preferences of how I would traditionally construct a wide receiver room, I'm excited about the idea of bringing in a younger player.
00:13:30
It's week you're going into a Week six now, so that means you're gonna get a nice, good look at him.
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There's a chance you could get a look at something other young guys as the season progresses along.
00:13:40
And hopefully, if you talk about even just using some of those reps sample sizes that you had in Radley, he's gonna get looks.
00:13:46
He's going to be on the field here, So maybe he gives a new dynamic that complements Shepherd.
00:13:51
Well, when he comes back from injury and then Slaten and you start to get this, you know, young core and and really, I know I'm leaving Tate out of this mix, and that's not because I have my issues with him.
00:14:00
You end up with Shepherd as kind of the veteran presence over some of these young guys, which I, which I like well.
00:14:07
And to be honest with you, with no Sterling Shepard potentially upcoming this week against the Washington football team, you know this is actually a move that's going to impact play on the field.
00:14:18
Sometimes you kind of feel the back into the roster.
00:14:20
You're using it for depth.
00:14:21
It's the in case of emergency break glass, but the guy on the field type of thing you know Mac is you know he's going to get some reps when he's out there.
00:14:30
You think about how many wide receivers the Giants have at this point, with no raptly you're talking about Take, You're talking about CJ board.
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You're talking about Darius sleeping.
00:14:37
That's that's all that the Giants really have.
00:14:39
So making a move like this, he is going to get looks in the four wide receiver set, sometimes three wide receiver sets, depending on the set up for the Giants.
00:14:47
So it's gonna be interesting to see if we could start developing some of these young talent that we've been talking about since we drafted them or since we signed them to the practice squad back over the summer.
00:14:57
Yeah, 34 snaps last week for Radley.
00:14:59
So, you know, they waved a player that was playing significant minutes from minutes significant snaps for them in the course of the game.
00:15:05
So, yeah, you've got to spread them out somewhere.
00:15:07
Doesn't mean Mac you're going to get what would be 50% of the snaps this week, but it's gonna have to balance somewhere.
00:15:13
So you would expect he's the least going to get, you know, 15 to 20 reps on the field, if not more potentially.
00:15:19
And that's what I like.
00:15:20
If you're going to make a move like this and bring up a young player that you got after the draft, Let's get a look at him.
00:15:25
You want to do it immediately? Week one Though I have been known to call for for choices like that, I do now at this point of the season.
00:15:31
Oh, and five.
00:15:32
Let's take a look at some of the young guys and see how they can impact the roster.
00:15:35
We when we talk about the young guys and this roster, we talk, of course, about the offensive line play.
00:15:41
We talk about Daniel Jones and just the state of the offenses rate now.
00:15:46
Colombo offensive line coach.
00:15:47
He came out and said, Listen, you know, I know we're looking at Thomas and just really getting frustrated at the same time.
00:15:55
His problem is really the consistency that he's seeing from Thomas because he's saying we get some really good, aggressive hard nose plays from him, and then we get some really bad looks where he's getting blown passed by, you know, by the Dallas Cowboys this past week, nine pressures surrendered.
00:16:09
That's a little bit difficult to swallow from A as a fan but at the same time, like this is what you expect from rookies across the board in a lot of ways, let alone a guy that is more known as a run blocking left tackle.
00:16:22
Then he is a past blocking left tackle where in this last game, I think alone he was up in the seventies and pass protection and then down in the thirties and sorry.
00:16:31
Reverse that up in the seventies and run blocking down in the thirties and pass protection.
00:16:35
And that's that's the difficulty that we're seeing here with him, because it's such a wide margin of good and bad.
00:16:41
Um, you know, and throughout that line, just briefly throughout that line, we've seen spikes from Hernandez, right? We've seen some actually fairly decent play from Camp Fleming.
00:16:52
And as the footnote back on, that where everyone wants to beat him up for what could have been the great trick play on the field goal.
00:16:59
It's actually the Q B on that play.
00:17:02
Riley Dixon is supposed to make sure that everyone is 100% set.
00:17:05
He gets super excited to see Evan Ingram uncovered on the outside, wants that ball wants to throw it.
00:17:10
So you may want to get on Camp Fleming there.
00:17:12
But it's actually on the punter snapper holder there to make sure everyone's in a set position.
00:17:16
So it's just it's It's a mixed bag right now, and you probably want to hear something better from Colombo.
00:17:22
But this is where we are.
00:17:23
Where do you Where do you go? Here? Well, it z Columbus in a tough spot, right? Hey, has to defend his player.
00:17:30
He's a young rookie that's been thrown into the into the fire, you know, to the wolves against some of the most formidable pass rushers in the entire league.
00:17:39
So you know, let's not let's not forget that you're going against, you know, T.
00:17:44
J. Watt. You're going against Khalil.
00:17:46
Mack, You're going against Aaron.
00:17:47
Donald, you're talking about literally three of the top maybe five pass rushers you're talking about going up against the Marcus Lawrence who at one point was it was a was a great you know, Russia of the quarterback who knows.
00:17:59
Jury still out on where he goes from here.
00:18:01
But, uh, Andrew Thomas has given up 28 Q B pressures so far this year.
00:18:07
That's the most of any tackle in the entire league.
00:18:10
He is giving up a lot of pressures.
00:18:11
You mentioned how many there were in the last game.
00:18:13
It felt like they were focusing in, and they were really teeing off on Andrew Thomas.
00:18:18
And what Colombo said is he's seen some baby steps.
00:18:20
He'd like to see some leaps and and some real progressions from him.
00:18:23
What Colombo you know, the offensive line coach said, was he sees Andrew Thomas lunging at defenders because he's really trying to get his hands on them as quickly as possible.
00:18:34
When he lunges, it puts him out of position.
00:18:36
And, you know, defensive ends have realized this.
00:18:39
And Mawr and Mawr.
00:18:41
They're doing spin moves and taking advantage of Andrew Thomas coming inside because Andrew Thomas is lunging to the outside, trying to protect Daniel Jones is blind side and now all of a sudden, there spinning inside and they're getting pressure on Daniel Jones.
00:18:52
So they've identified the problem, which is a good thing.
00:18:55
Now the question is, can they really work with Andrew Thomas over the next couple of weeks to be able to fix this up? Shore this up, get him into better position to help protect Daniel Jones.
00:19:04
So he's not having to roll all pressure away from Andrew Thomas.
00:19:09
Yeah, and we talked about how on drop backs, right? The pressure that Daniel Jones is under coming into Week five, it was around 46% of drop backs.
00:19:17
Now, though, coming out of this one where you want to say now, progress if we want to go on the negative side of it, he was pressured on 19 of 35/50 percent.
00:19:25
So you know it's still not getting there.
00:19:27
And that makes it difficult to look at Daniel Jones and assess behind this line right now.
00:19:31
And I know you as the fan bases, everybody starts to gear up for the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes.
00:19:37
You have a bit of ah, a cautionary comparison, I might think.
00:19:43
Well, Adam, So everyone's like, you know, ring the alarm bell For Daniel Jones, it's Trevor Lawrence time and listen.
00:19:50
Trevor Lawrence is a top talent.
00:19:52
He could potentially be a generational talent.
00:19:54
I personally think the Giants have far too many holes along all of their roster that I don't know if he instantly makes you a contender there.
00:20:02
There are gonna be plenty of discussion to be had.
00:20:04
It'll probably sort itself out with the way that Daniel Jones plays over the course of the year.
00:20:08
However, just if you put things in perspective, you know you go back to last year and through the first five games of the season, there was another quarterback in a similar position.
00:20:18
So what? Daniel Jones Waas had 11 more yards passing, had a couple more touchdowns, had a couple more interceptions, had a 75 pass away rating.
00:20:29
Daniel Jones has a 70 so he's five points behind. Impasse rating.
00:20:32
Guy had 2025 28 yards, Mawr rushing and that challenge.
00:20:38
And guess what? Yeah, guess what? That's Josh Allen.
00:20:40
You know, Friends didn't know it.
00:20:43
Use my brain.
00:20:44
And guess what? Everyone is saying that Daniel Jones is having an an abject failure over a year, right? And you look at what Josh Allen did.
00:20:53
Yeah, a couple of more touchdowns.
00:20:55
About the same, A little bit more passer rating.
00:20:58
I think it's 1.
00:20:59
5 points completion percentage there.
00:21:01
It's not like one is number one in the world and no one is number 35.
00:21:05
They're relatively close.
00:21:06
Guess what? The Buffalo Bills, because they were, um, or complete team had a foreign one record after five games, and the Giants are Oh, in five.
00:21:14
And guess what going into the game last night against the Tennessee Titans, Josh Allen lead in passing yards and touchdown passes in all of the A F C.
00:21:21
So, like I feel like everyone wants to compare Daniel Jones to people that are further along in their progression that have been around for more years like they're comparing him to Sam Donaldson.
00:21:32
Donald has had an extra year of playing over Daniel Jones.
00:21:35
They compared to Josh, Josh Allen, the same and and to me, like I listen, I think we need to be able to see this entire year of Daniel Jones to be able to give a referendum on whether or not he should be here.
00:21:48
But the people that are calling for his head and saying Thank for for Trevor Right now.
00:21:51
I really don't think they're giving Daniel Jones an opportunity and by the way, because I've done in the SportsCastr NFL news side of things where I get together with guys that cover the Patriots that cover the Colts that cover the Ravens.
00:22:02
A lot of a F C teams ironically, But when we get into these NFL talk sometimes on Monday and Thursday night football Ah, lot of times it comes back to this idea of remember playing in a major market like New York, right? Everything is that much more ratcheted up.
00:22:17
You don't get the grace period off.
00:22:19
Oh, maybe you're gonna take some lumps.
00:22:21
Maybe we'll see how you look on the back end of year number two.
00:22:24
No, it's when you start week, you know, Week four, Week three last season for Daniel Jones.
00:22:28
The results of your scrambled ran up the gut for a touchdown and got yourself a w.
00:22:33
Amazing.
00:22:34
Now we're going to start setting now.
00:22:35
The bar starts to get set, and every week thereafter is about no May.
00:22:41
We're not okay.
00:22:42
Here we and then coming into this year, it's the exact same thing.
00:22:45
The second that you see a fumble, it's automatic. And then and listen.
00:22:48
There are things that are real and that are issues that Jones has to correct.
00:22:51
But as soon as you see any indicator of it, it's automatically, boy, I just don't think it's gonna be there for you.
00:22:57
I think it's time to move on.
00:22:58
Think we should go ahead and listen? There were people that called possibly talk about media speculation Around left Bell.
00:23:03
There were articles that floated around there following the Week four loss about whether or not they should consider the idea of benching Daniel Jones in favor of Colt McCoy like it's just this is the nature of East Coast coverage in sports.
00:23:17
And it's unfortunate because if you don't have players at key positions, let alone the quarterback, if you don't have a guy that can withstand that like we had in the line Manning for years.
00:23:26
And I think we do have in Daniel Jones from mental makeup that can shatter a guy before they even get a chance to prove what they're worth.
00:23:33
And we heard that from Sam Donald across the stadium in terms of seeing ghosts last year, right and some of the ways that he talks that maybe it's just not a good fit toe have to deal with what is relative nonsense.
00:23:45
As you're trying to grow and develop as a cube, well, and and the problem is you have a couple quarterbacks that come in and right away look amazing.
00:23:54
They're like he's the guy.
00:23:55
And so people think that there's only one way to become a successful NFL quarterback, and that is you get thrown into the fire.
00:24:02
You succeed right away and you never have a problem your entire career, like people are already.
00:24:07
You know, I love what I'm seeing from Justin Herbert, and I think he's proving ah, ton of people wrong, including me, who? I thought he was going to struggle early on his career.
00:24:16
I thought it would take longer for him to progress.
00:24:17
He is slinging the ball all over the yard and he looks wonderful.
00:24:21
But people are already saying Justin Herbert is the guy.
00:24:24
He is the it guy.
00:24:26
He is the flavor of the week and he's been in the league for three games and like to me, if you're going to anoint him as like the future top five quarterback after three games when no one has any game film on him from the NFL.
00:24:40
Like you know, people just want to be able to have a definitive statement on a quarterback as quickly as possible.
00:24:46
So there, early reading Daniel Jones off even though he's a year in five games into his career and their early anointing Justin Herbert.
00:24:53
Now Joe Burrow was the number one pick he's thrown for 300 yards on a bad team.
00:24:57
He looks awesome and, like, Man, do they really have a good one in Cincinnati? But to that point, I think people just want to make a definitive statement either way on a quarterback and as quickly as they can.
00:25:07
They're happy with their decision.
00:25:09
It's a collection of talent.
00:25:10
It's what's around, all these players as well, that that's what dictates how quickly you can see what they are.
00:25:15
I think usually asl Ong as things are about equal in terms off the roster around them.
00:25:20
You tend to have the quality quarterbacks rise to the top.
00:25:22
But if you're in really difficult spots, as both cubes are in New York, it's hard to get a sense of that.
00:25:27
So, yeah, listen, talk to me a week, 13 14 and I'll start.
00:25:31
You know, I'll give you what my real sense of Daniel Jones is.
00:25:34
If you put Daniel Jones on the Indianapolis Colts tomorrow.
00:25:39
Do you think he would look a little bit better against a competent offensive line with, You know, all those weapons on the outside that that the Colts have with a competent like what a great comparable is putting on the Buffalo Bills, right with solid offensive line mobile quarterback with a good, decent running game, some injuries there with a nice compliment of wide receivers, right? You brought in Stefon Diggs.
00:25:59
A deep threat.
00:26:00
Like all of those things, I think.
00:26:01
Listen, do I think that would be like for like maybe, maybe not? But again, like you said 70 versus 75 rating, it's You're not that far off the mark from being where Josh Allen Waas as you move through the paces of a four and one Buffalo Bills team last year and and then this year is? Well, exactly, exactly.
00:26:19
And so to me, let's not jump the gun on anything with Daniel Jones.
00:26:22
Let's actually give him more than a year to be able to see what we have.
00:26:26
He was a rookie last year, and we need to note that there is not as much talent around him as there are in some of these other places.
00:26:33
And so you know, to me, I wanna be able to see Daniel Jones through this year.
00:26:38
And guess what, Adam, If we don't win any games and Daniel Jones doesn't look good, then we'll be in position to draft Trevor Lawrence.
00:26:44
But if we win four or five games coming down the stretch, and he and we do it because Daniel Jones is looking good, like it's tough for me to, then all of a sudden pull the pull, you know, pull the carpet out from under him.
00:26:56
I'm not gonna make decisions on Wednesday that impact me on Friday, right on Friday morning.
00:27:02
I'll understand all the information I have and I'll make those choices.
00:27:05
Listen, let's go ahead.
00:27:08
We always like to at least get a little bit ahead of ourselves.
00:27:10
In terms of perspectives around the Giants.
00:27:11
Let's pull it back into what's going on right now.
00:27:14
We know that Lorenzo Carter goes out with an injury.
00:27:16
We know that ocean examine is who didn't look necessary.
00:27:19
Sharp, as we had hoped early in the season, also goes down with an injury.
00:27:22
So Thea, outside linebacking corps, specifically getting after after the quarterback on the edge.
00:27:28
Some of those speed players that we need on this defense.
00:27:31
We are lacking right now.
00:27:32
There are a couple of options internally, and that's the obvious ones of Carter, Coughlin and Cam Brown. Carter.
00:27:38
Coughlin, My boy neither.
00:27:39
Neither one of these players has sniffed any snaps on the defensive side of the ball.
00:27:43
They potentially could be an option for Big Blue, but two other guys that are being talked about right now the first specifically is going to be Trent Harris.
00:27:52
And the reason why is he was on the Miami Dolphins last season.
00:27:55
6 to £240 played in 11 games started.
00:27:59
Three gave you 22 tackles, a forced fumble, two Q B hits and a sack and a half.
00:28:05
Familiarity also has ties to New England.
00:28:07
There, with Patrick Graham with Joe Judge.
00:28:10
He has gone through and is going through the cove in 19 testing protocol, and then he's going to get a workout, came in for a visit on Friday and then could have an opportunity to work out with the team and see if that's a fit.
00:28:21
You could talk about Harris if you want, you can talk about the guys on the roster.
00:28:26
Where would you like to see the Giants go to replace this depth there at the position? Yeah.
00:28:30
I mean, I mean clearly, uh, you know, Graham likes, likes Harris in terms of, you know, kind of following around, like you said.
00:28:37
Drafted by the New England Patriots, then moved over to Miami Dolphins now coming in for a visit.
00:28:42
He is only 25 years old.
00:28:44
You know, I have no problem bringing in young talent that clearly knows the system that Graham wants to play.
00:28:49
So if we need someone to get, get acclimated quickly, we have that ability rather than, uh, you know, maybe one of the younger guys that isn't really developed yet.
00:28:58
And before you touch on our guys, the young guns that we have, I will say the other name, the other name that gets thrown out there, who also went through the testing protocol, and we'll get a look from the team.
00:29:08
That's Kendall Coleman.
00:29:10
Now. I'm gonna I'm going to test you here.
00:29:12
Do you know where Kendall Coleman went to college? Andy, Do I know where Kendall Comment? I do not.
00:29:19
Why He was an undrafted rookie free agent out of Syracuse.
00:29:22
Good on you.
00:29:25
So, Hey, he was drafted by the Indianapolis Colts, cut over the summer.
00:29:29
So, you know, hasn't had a chance to really be on a roster and see what he's made of.
00:29:33
He also went through the same process.
00:29:34
So those were the two players that are in position to at least get a run here and get a tryout with the team Now, bias.
00:29:41
Aside from your college background, where do you look in terms of Brown? In terms of Coughlin, do you have a preference? The other names, by the way, that weren't brought in it all.
00:29:50
And talk about replacements are all the old are all the old guys like Cameron Wake and you know, like Clay Matthews and players of that name Terrell Suggs, like these are all the guys that get thrown out there around the two players that specifically have been brought in and both represent youth, which I think is the direction you assume the Giants would go here.
00:30:07
Yeah, I think I think we go youth.
00:30:10
It's tough.
00:30:12
I don't mind any of these players coming in and to your point, you know, Cameron, Wake Terrell Suggs.
00:30:18
Like what? What are we What are we trying to accomplish with that? Uh, well, it's It's almost to the point of Libyan Bell.
00:30:26
It's like Levian bells. 28.
00:30:27
He can still contribute a lot of these guys.
00:30:28
Air 33 34 35 years old and, you know, for for a year rental when we're not really competing.
00:30:34
I'd really like to develop and see what this young talent is if they want to bring in Harris and they want to see what he has.
00:30:40
And and I think that in a couple of weeks he maybe be able to be a situational, rotational kind of guy that be great.
00:30:46
You know, I'm willing you've talked up Carter Coffin so much to me that I'm really excited to see if he could get some snaps on the field.
00:30:53
So we can either give you a pat on the back or we can just shame you and shun you for for the love and affinity that you've had for Coughlin.
00:31:00
Yeah, I don't know.
00:31:02
Listen, I'm back in, my boy.
00:31:04
He's been my play all year, but Now we're actually getting to a situation where the proof is going to be in the pudding, and I don't know what I anticipated.
00:31:11
I did say, Remember, coming into the year I said I wanted to see him by the end of the season getting 30 to 35% of the defensive snaps.
00:31:19
So that's really what he could be walking into right now.
00:31:22
Interested to see where they think Cam Brown is right now? They considered him so.
00:31:26
Between the two Carter Coughlin is looked to be a really high motor guy, really high mental a***en guy and is going to be giving you 1000% every step of the every step of the game and that he could come in and could contribute.
00:31:39
Right now, Cam Brown was looked at, at least as a developmental player that needs to learn some of the techniques that you want him to utilize.
00:31:46
So between the two, you would expect Coughlin to be first in line to get reps.
00:31:50
But I wouldn't be surprised if they use them somewhat collectively and say, Hey, your length here.
00:31:56
Cam Brown might be more effective on a particular down in distance whereas Carter Coughlin really is going to represent in my mind that Ocean examines type of guy and that supplemental behind a Markus Golden.
00:32:09
So that's what I would anticipate being the move here.
00:32:12
A tely east.
00:32:13
Especially maybe in the short term we've seen take Crowder gets, um, reps on the defensive side of the ball.
00:32:17
I think you could see Carter Coughlin get a look here.
00:32:19
Maybe this week.
00:32:20
Want to keep an eye on activations around? You know, the 55 53 man roster.
00:32:24
Excuse me coming into Sunday against Washington and might be a good spot to get young guys.
00:32:30
Some taste here against a relatively bad team in Washington, especially on their offensive side of the bull, so we'll keep our eyes on it.
00:32:38
And the way that we can also look at this is in our last segment.
00:32:41
Andy.
00:32:42
We talked earlier, referencing Wayne Gallman getting some reps, and that's where we had Thio snap.
00:32:48
You get it? I see what you did that that was That was clever, Adam. That was clever.
00:32:53
Worry about me on that side of things when we go back into this week, so there's actually a very specific player that I want to touch on here, because I think it's important when you talk about the evolution of this offensive system.
00:33:05
But as I mentioned Goldman earlier, you could just think about that.
00:33:08
He had 15% of the snaps two weeks ago.
00:33:10
18 this past week.
00:33:12
Devante Freeman, Really, the past two games has lived in the 54% range, 37 snaps, Dion Lewis trending slightly down.
00:33:20
So what, you're probably sitting in the running back room is Goldman is going is already clearly become the first back up to come off of the off of the sidelines there when Freeman needs a breather.
00:33:30
And I think you're going to see a trend more in that direction because Freeman is more capable of being a shift your back and catching the ball in the backfield and calming can represent the power for them there, that's a nice tip of the hat.
00:33:41
We also mentioned Radley 50% of those reps that has to go somewhere.
00:33:46
Be interesting to see.
00:33:47
And by the way, if you're in the if you're in the camp of I'm not a huge fan of Golden Tate, it might be interesting to know that he has gone over the last three weeks, 92 75 59% off the reps on the field.
00:34:04
So he is trending in the wrong direction as we anticipate Matt getting on the field and Shepherd coming back from injury.
00:34:10
Well, as you can tell, Jason Garrett loves run first offense.
00:34:14
First down, he loves to pound the rock, and what he's realizing with Dion Lewis is that he is just not a between the tackles runner.
00:34:21
That's not what you That's not why you signed Dion Lewis.
00:34:23
He's a guy that you want to get out in space, is quick and shifty and could make people miss on the outside.
00:34:28
He's great at pass catching, but the problem is, if you're very one dimensional, then you're already telling the defense what you're gonna be doing on that play.
00:34:37
And so even trying to trick the defense and playing chess, you're handing the ball off to Dion Lewis against a Nef ence of line that hasn't been able to run black as effectively as we would like.
00:34:47
So, like, it's kind of a Catch 22.
00:34:49
Dion Lewis has a particular skill set that doesn't necessarily match up.
00:34:53
How are offensive line is playing and the approach that Daniel Jones has.
00:34:56
So he's slowly kind of getting phased out because at least Goldman and Devonta Freeman can give you both dimensions to to really make the defense think a little bit more again.
00:35:06
Losing, say Kwan Barkley right with, say, Kwan Barkley healthy.
00:35:09
Lewis is a beautiful compliment to Barkley, but when you lose him now, you're like, Well, how do we make Barkley out of two other guys? And Freeman and Goldman represent? I think that combination and and to your point, Lewis kind of gets on the outside looking in.
00:35:23
Here is the big one for me, man, though.
00:35:24
Here's the big one.
00:35:26
Such a beautiful math.
00:35:27
Here's the big one.
00:35:29
Evan Ingram.
00:35:32
Over the course of this season, let's do all five weeks for your friends.
00:35:36
94 97 85 84 81% of the snaps on the offensive side of the bowl.
00:35:43
It is not a coincidence that over the last three games, Caden Smith's percentages have gone up as have toil OAS.
00:35:50
Now can that be predicated on a combination of wanting to give extra protection on the offensive line and help there.
00:35:55
It certainly can.
00:35:56
I'm not as concerned about Toy Loa or even or even or Caden Smith.
00:36:01
What I'm well, I'm looking at is for all the value in the target and wanting to get everything.
00:36:06
Women involved there very clearly, trying to shrink, shrink how much you're using him and maximize the plays you use him on.
00:36:13
Had a great end around sweep, right.
00:36:15
Took it for a nice chunk.
00:36:16
Play had an opportunity that ends up getting called back due to penalty toe.
00:36:20
Have a touchdown as well in the game.
00:36:22
But I think that this is Jason Garrett in this offense.
00:36:24
Maybe just looking and saying Okay, we need to pick our spots with this guy.
00:36:28
We need to identify the mismatch, put him in a great position and tell him to go out there and execute.
00:36:32
Do I think he's gonna fall down a 50 50 split? No, but I think they're just realizing that when you have him on the field 100% of the time, the 20% that you want to run the ball or that you wanna have Daniel Jones dropped back and look for some crossing routes through the wide receivers.
00:36:47
He diminishes the value there because he's making errors in the past, blocking the run blocking scheme, and it makes it harder Thio No, right.
00:36:55
What they wanna know offensively is consistency.
00:36:58
That's why we focus on Thomas so much consistency.
00:37:00
Just try to do and be his even keeled in everything we ask of you.
00:37:05
And right now, you're not getting that from Ingram.
00:37:06
So we're just gonna go ahead and shrink the sample size well.
00:37:09
And if you think about it, the Giants run game looked pretty competent against a pretty bad Dallas run defense.
00:37:16
I mean, they have given up over 300 yards on the ground to the Cleveland Browns a week beforehand.
00:37:20
So the Giants are identifying, okay, Their weakness is the run game.
00:37:24
We have not been able to run the ball effectively.
00:37:27
If we start stacking with Kevin Smith or, you know we bring in bigger bodies on the offensive line, we may be able to establish the run a little bit more.
00:37:35
And to your point, even though we're moving it down to 81 snaps, you know, Evan Ingram only had two targets.
00:37:40
You know, on the on the outside passing they were able to get him the ball in space, which is what we think.
00:37:45
He should be a little bit more more off, and I have hated the take on Evan Ingram that we need to move him out to a wide receiver.
00:37:53
But when you start talking about golden tape moving some of those snaps down and we're losing some snaps from Evan Ingram, maybe putting him out wide and putting cadence.
00:38:02
Smith, you know, in that tight end position to be a little bit more of an effective run blocker gives us a little bit of a different dimension than we have with golden tape.
00:38:11
So for me, maybe maybe we're trying to shift things around a little bit.
00:38:15
And maybe we could get a little bit more creative than what we've been.
00:38:17
Interesting to see that that's not a bad thought, because you could say, if you haven't liked to return on investment from Golden Tate.
00:38:23
Now you're bringing up Mac, but you still want to create some different looks for defense.
00:38:27
Is this is where you to your point using Evan Ingram and flexible kind of role can make sense.
00:38:32
And by the way, when you talk about that jet sleep that they ran with him that felt very much like what they try to do on the back end of Odell Beckham's time with the team, right? How do we get the ball into this dynamic playmakers hands? Let's not worry about traditional route right.
00:38:46
Let's just talk about physical ball in hand.
00:38:49
Let's look for a couple of those opportunities throughout the game to do so, so that's that's where you start to utilize him.
00:38:54
And he still does represent a legitimate threat that the defense has to respect.
00:38:58
If you move him out wide in the slot, wherever it may be, even if he's not great at doing it, you still have to know that he's there.
00:39:05
And potentially he's going to turn himself right back into a traditional tight end route.
00:39:10
After the snap, it reminded me of talking to the downtown Rams podcast about how they use their wide receivers and the motion that they create.
00:39:18
They have either Cooper Cooper, Robert Woods or Josh Reynolds constantly moving to create that that, you know, deception pre snap, and they usually like to hand the ball off to Robert Woods or Cooper Cup coming around on those sweeps.
00:39:30
And I think to myself, if we could start incorporating Evan Ingram the same way that they do their wide receivers, then you don't necessarily even care where he lines up.
00:39:37
But just get him in that motion and get him the ball in his hands, because clearly, you know Lining them up is a traditional tight end is not working, and we're reducing the amount of snaps that we're seeing from him in that regard.
00:39:48
So let's start doing some creative ways to either get him the ball or get him on the field in a position to succeed for sure.
00:39:54
Other little footnote around it would be Ryan Lewis maxed out almost on the defensive side of the ball.
00:39:59
Had 97% of the reps there yet, um, down to zero Corey Ballentine hasn't seen the field in three weeks.
00:40:05
Nothing for Madre Harper in this one, either.
00:40:06
So something to keep an eye on as we look towards the back end of the week and looking ahead to Washington, just seeing if anybody else is getting a shot here is it Harper just getting his feet wet and maybe he'll get a look? Or Or or the, uh, defensive coaches excited and comfortable, at least with Ryan Lewis being out there.
00:40:24
So those are the things that will probably monitor.
00:40:26
And it is nice to see is, well, that Darnay Holmes, who really saw a big drop off in snap count from Week one and then through 2 to 4 he's been trending back up again, played in 76% of the snaps this past week.
00:40:38
So, you know, listen, remember young players developing players, they're going to take their lumps.
00:40:43
I mean, I hate Thio.
00:40:45
I hate to be the Whoa, everybody all the time, but that's what that's how you're supposed to approach this season.
00:40:52
I'm excited when we look really go to dynamic or make a big play, and I want us to win, and I'm gonna keep expecting us to be competitive.
00:40:59
And also, this is the nature of having a lot of young players that a lot of key positions Adam, I know we're getting consistency, but with Ryan Lewis, it's consistently poor play like he's grating out.
00:41:11
He's grading out really bad when you look at it.
00:41:14
So it's fine that we're finally finding someone that can stay on the field for, you know, 80 90 or 100% of the snaps in Ryan Lewis.
00:41:24
But if he's not playing well, we're still not solving the problem.
00:41:26
So, to your point, like, how long does it take for Madre Harper to to get acclimated? Is there anyone else that we can put in like I want consistency to? But when it's just consistently poor? What I don't think that solves anything for us? No. And by the way, I'm not.
00:41:41
I'm not singing the praises of of what Lewis is doing out there, but it is just the reality.
00:41:45
I would like to see Harper get a sniff and see what those results are.
00:41:48
And again, Big picture following the bye week.
00:41:51
If we get back McKinney off injury, that's when you're automatically going to see because last thing I know, everyone loves it when I do stats.
00:41:58
But when you talk about those percentage on the defensive side, we are talking about Bradbury playing 100.
00:42:03
We know that I played 97 snaps, but Logan Ryan is playing 100% of the snaps over the last three weeks.
00:42:09
So he's going to be on the field now.
00:42:12
It's about okay, let's start to use you a little more flexibly.
00:42:15
And that could be saying we're gonna put you in the slot for a couple of reps and then Homes is gonna go outside for a handful of reps or as we introduce Madre Harbor.
00:42:24
Maybe he gets a little sample here.
00:42:25
A little look over there.
00:42:27
So it's unfortunate that so much of our quality reps are all happening in the secondary.
00:42:32
We know with Peppers coming back off the injury, he's gonna ramp it back up in this Week six matchup with Washington as well.
00:42:38
So we have our talent pool in the secondary is fairly heavily concentrated at the back end.
00:42:43
So we're gonna have to wait and see how the defense looks to adjust as you get some health care.
00:42:48
But I do want to get a look.
00:42:49
And by the way, let's be clear here.
00:42:52
Madre Harper was coming off the practice squad for Vegas.
00:42:54
Okay, so this isn't a guy that was third on the depth chart and couldn't get a look and they released him.
00:43:00
He's a practice squad guy, a developmental guy.
00:43:02
But I like the size and length and again in a season like this, unfortunately, it's going to be.
00:43:09
Let's give Darnay Holmes a clean shot on the outside.
00:43:11
Let's try Corey Valentine.
00:43:13
Let's bring in Lewis.
00:43:15
Now.
00:43:16
Let's try Madre Harper like that.
00:43:17
Just maybe the nature of that side of the field for us on defense, for the entirety of this season, Or at least until you get McKinney back.
00:43:24
And then we'll see the true flexibility.
00:43:26
And maybe how Patrick Graham thinks he can create balance on the defensive side of the book.
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That's a huge needle mover in terms of being able to stay competitive and match up well.
00:43:35
We know what seedy Lamb did on that side of the field last week, right? So, getting some level of understanding off.
00:43:41
Yeah, Logan Ryan's gonna take his licks because he's not a true outside corner, but he's a veteran.
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He knows the schemes.
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He can stick with these guys at least more consistent than we've seen from some of the younger players, and hopefully we'll find out more about what's going on with Julian Love and whether or not maybe, are they completely done with him, or do they feel the same way that they do about Valentine that they do about love? That's gonna be interesting coming up because Ryan Lewis has has come in.
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He hasn't played much better than Ballantine did.
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Admittedly and Julian loves kind of getting moved out of that state safety position, do we try to flip him back over to to a cornerback position and try to steal some snaps with him there? I think there's a lot of different shifting that the Giants could do because even though there's consistency now, it's consistently poor.
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Yeah, and unfortunately, in other teams, other rosters you may not have even heard about Valentine being on the field entering his second season, right? That's also the difference of talent and depth on rosters.
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Likewise, for Julian Love, maybe he would have been small sample size last year, and we'd be saying, Boy, it would be nice to see him developing year number two.
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Instead, there's some pressure.
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There's some onus, and there's a potential that guy's We maybe thought could have been developing on this roster may not even be here.
00:44:51
next year because it was feet to the fire.
00:44:54
Boy, you can't do it. You're out the door.
00:44:56
We turn the page as we turn the page away from our midweek update and look ahead to that Washington matchup.
00:45:03
Come Friday morning, we're trying to set up another crossover, so fingers, ironically, cross that we get that lined up for the people.
00:45:10
But in the meantime, we turn our attention over there.
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SportsCastr, we say, Hey, Patty, wack.
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00:45:15
Robert and hello to let me be Frank.
00:45:16
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And thank you for tuning in with us.
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Live there every single Monday, Wednesday and Friday As we do the darn thing you can follow us over there, you can use hashtag o g p.
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Let's go. Big blue.
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Good for you, buddy.
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Getting the checkups done even.
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You know, even in times when maybe you let some things fall by the wayside.
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Also, what does the case stand for in your name? E mean, there is no Okay, But I like you throwing, Throwing out there coincidentally, Adam, I don't have a middle initial.
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I don't have a middle name.
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My parents said you already stuck with two names. You can't decide.
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Why give you a third, Are you? Are you the youngest of the of the family? I am the youngest of three.
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Yeah, now I still got a middle names.
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That means my parents were holding on to a little bit of love by the time they got down to the third child for you guys.
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You know, it was all over for May they let me let me run free on.
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Look at the results, people.
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And here we are, baby.
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Get quality results like that by being hyper focused on all of your Children that got off the rails a little bit to start, but let's go ahead and dive in on what is the midweek chauffeur? O g p.
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Obviously there's that there actually is some nice news and notes around the Giants and moves they're gonna get made here some chances for optimism on the offensive side of the bowl, but we're coming off of the tradition, right? Tuesday Night Football.
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As we all know, I I did not have the Tennessee Titans absolutely destroying the Bills after their hiatus, last playing on September 27th.
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So they blow out the Bills last night.
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Still great to see some football, but on the tail end of that, you have a coach firing following a Sunday's games there in Atlanta.
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You've also got some player releases, and I know Andy that you keeping your pulse on the New York football Giants fan base have heard some things around the NFL and one recently released Levian Bill.
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Well, Adam, it's natural.
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Any time a player gets released, it's only human natural.
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It's yes, exactly.
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That fan base all of a sudden envisions that player in that uniforms and says, We got to go out and get that guy.
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You know, Take Mohammed Sunu a couple weeks ago, gets released by the Patriots, then signs with the 40 Niners gets released by the 40 Niners.
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Every giant fans like we need Mohammed's new like he is the guy and they start building themselves up.
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You know around the league right after the game.
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You know, there were some whispers around the league that the Jets were actively trying to trade their start running back Le'veon Bell because of his inflated and blow to contract.
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The fact that he's unhappy, the fact he has no production on a very, very terrible team, you know, he was going to be lucky to get a conditional seventh round pick out of it.
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Nothing actually materialize because no one wanted to take on a good portion of the Contract with Libyan on the New York Jets released Levian Bell yesterday evening.
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And you know, you and I were texting back and forth, just like oh kind of footnote Levy on Bell gets released.
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And then, you know, I just like, go on Twitter and I go on social media.
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And it's like the five potential landing spots for Leave Ian Bell.
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And shockingly, the Giants appeared in them Mawr often than not, And Adam, I'll turn it over to you.
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Please explain to me why the New York Giants show up on the list of the five teams that should be looking at Libyan Bell.
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Well, as my buddy who is, a Jets fan, said.
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We talked about it last night during the game as well through text.
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And he goes, Yeah, they released Bell.
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He was like, So you release Bell? But Adam Gates is still your head coach.
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Like he was like, I can't figure out what's happening with my team right now.
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Um, but on the bell side of things, listen, do I think that that Bell still has value to a team in the league? Ah, 100%.
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You got to remember Levian Bell was signed to the Jets on the last G M's tab, so he's brought in there.
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Now it's a holdover, and Adam gazed at the time when they when they got him, they didn't.
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He didn't want him right.
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He didn't wanna have that much money tied up into a running back, but they went ahead and did it anyway.
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Now you roll over to Douglas, and Douglas is trying to correct some of those past mistakes.
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So that's why this move finally comes.
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And ultimately, when you're in the Jets position, you haven't won a game yet this season.
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It's about trying to build right for the years to come that may sound familiar.
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Why? Because that's what the Giants were doing.
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They also do not have a win this season, and they are building for the years to come.
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We brought in Devante Freeman, which is which is a nice little veteran peace to supplement the rest of the running back room and other teams championship level aspiring teams who may be suffer an injury at the running back position.
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There's a couple of that come to mind.
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They may look at Bell.
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It doesn't make any sense for the Giants.
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I don't know how much the fan base, you know, relative to the media speculating around it.
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But if there's any portion of the fan base out there, the things that live Ian Bell should be brought into the Giants.
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It's not.
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This isn't about even Bell.
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It's just about why would you do that in a year where you have so much young talent you're trying to grow with? So I was thinking about this, too, because I felt the exact same way that you did about where the John should go with this.
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You know, the the counter argument or the reason why the Giants should bring in Bell has, ah, couple of different points that I wanted. Thio.
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Get your perspective on the first one is look any time that you can bring in a veteran at the veteran minimum who's still productive and can can perform and play.
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You should bring him in because it helps the team overall.
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The the second piece of it is you're really looking at Daniel Jones.
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And to find out if he is the quarterback of the future, if you have the ability to go get Mawr talent around him to get a better sample size and evaluation of Daniel Jones for the rest of the year, you go do that.
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And then the third piece of it is and this one's a little bit amorphous.
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But who knows is you're still uncertain about the health in the future of, say, Kwan Barkley.
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You Onley sign Devonta Freeman on a one year deal.
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You you have Dion Lewis on a short term deal when government is still on a rookie contract.
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Is there scenario next year where potentially Levian Bell could be on the roster past this year for rebuilding Giants team and you have some kind of combination of steak wanted Levy on.
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Now, I know that sounds crazy, but at the end of day, those air three counterpoints where I say I'm not gonna be mad if they bring Levy on building.
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But there's just so many other areas that we need help.
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Yeah, maybe it's more of that, too, I guess you would say, if you're if you're the Giants and you're going to bring in a player like left Bell and by the way you said on the veterans minimum, I don't know that That's the scenario he comes in on just because we think nobody had any interest in him.
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They didn't have any interest in him at that price point that the Jets were paying him.
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Teams will still offer him some form of a contract.
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A reasonable one, right? If Devante Freeman's contract was an incentive, incentive laden $3 million contract from the Giants, a guy who wasn't even in the league, you know, leave Ian Bell, who for all intensive purposes, maybe hasn't been in the league this year.
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But you know, he's gonna probably you're probably gonna be talking about closer to four or five with incentives up to maybe 16.
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I mean, there could be some real money getting spent on a running back like that over what will be the last 11 games here this season and that.
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So that is much a factor for me from the giant side of it as well.
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And then the little footnote.
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When you talk about the running backs, I will say he's the best like for, like, replacement for a, say, Kwame Barkley in terms of being multifaceted, right, both running and receiving.
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We know the receiving.
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The receivers have had their issues here on the Giants as well, but we're gonna touch on this a little bit later on.
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Has Freeman been okay and serviceable? Certainly What I really liked is that we've seen after that first week where Freeman came in and Goldman got a big chunk of snaps because Freeman wasn't ready yet.
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Now, in the last couple of games, though, Goldman still ticking up 10 carries two weeks ago, 12 in this past one, and he's actually averaging on 15 carries, small sample size on the season.
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He's actually averaging five yards a carry and is showing real power between the tackles.
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So while I don't you know? While I think having one guy that does mawr things is better, having a few guys like the Giants do right now that you could supplement and rotating is fine by me.
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And that completely overlooks the peace around.
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Leave Ian Bell and maybe being a bit of a malcontent on a bad roster, right? Yeah. Yeah.
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And the other piece of it is like, Why would leaving on Bell? Wanna come to the Giants? The Giants are owned five.
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They're not going to the playoffs.
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So, like it takes two to tango in a situation like this.
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So the only scenario where the Giants, even in the realm of possibility here is he doesn't want to move his stuff like out of the MetLife Stadium.
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He likes the the apartment that he got.
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He just got new duvet covers.
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And, like he really likes to set up from from Ikea and West Elm that he has in his apartment in Hoboken, like ****.
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There's no real scenario for him to come here unless he looks at and says this is an opportunity for me to be a 12 with Devonta Freeman and reset my market going into next year where I can then get a multiyear contract.
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But a guy like leaving on, he's getting older.
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I think he's 28 years old.
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He's gonna want to go to a team that's ready to win now, where he can be a contributing factor to that.
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And also he can reset his market on a team that also is being competitive right now, right? Like you can sign a little one year remainder of the season, deal somewhere, be competitive this year and then also have no intention of returning to them or put them in a difficult spot, that team to be almost obligated to bring him back, etcetera.
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So, uh, fun to talk fun to think about ringing that bell, but I'll go ahead and leave that string just dangling delicately between Never my fingers so shall touch.
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Uh, would have been better.
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Fight said that cleanly in the other areas.
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Now, as we turn our attention, of course, the New York football Giants there are the updates around injuries and roster moves so big, positive.
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Sterling Shepard is getting close right? This is the week when he can come back from that three week IR stint.
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He's getting healthier.
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You saw the way Ah, player like Darius Slate was really able to go off against the Cowboys.
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And you just think, man, even as bad as the Cowboys secondary is introducing Mawr dynamic weapons back into this wide receiver corps is important.
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And in that vein the Giants made a move waving rat Lee from the roster and officially elevating Mac to the wide receiver group on the active roster.
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He will be dressed.
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You can't, uh, if you could only do it once or twice.
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If it doesn't start in the game.
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Doesn't see reps is not active on game day.
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You can shuffle in between the practice squad on the active roster.
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He is now officially entrenched, though you will see him get some reps.
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What are your thoughts around the new look for this receiver? Yeah.
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I mean, listen raptly didn't really make an impact, you know, with with with Golden Tate missing a game with Sterling Shepard out, you thought this is an opportunity for Damian Rally coming over from Cleveland to really show some of that athleticism and speed that that you know, may teams, you know, Google at him coming out of college, and we just didn't see that on the field, you know, four catches for 63 yards.
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I think he had eight total targets, so he only was able to haul in about 50% of the balls that were thrown in his direction.
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And to be honest with you, the most noteworthy play he played was a pass interference penalty against the Cowboys that took back a Darius Slaten touchdown.
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So, like when you think about his impact, it really has been nothing in terms of catching the ball.
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And actually, it's been a detriment cause it took seven off the board.
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So I'm excited.
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We have talked, and fans have talked about some of the wide receivers that we have on the practice squad.
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Benjamin Victor, Alex Bachmann.
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And now Austin Dillon gets the, you know, the first call up here to be able to show some things 6 to 23 years old.
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Um, yeah, I know he's in a little bit more of ah, possession guy.
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Um, you know, what are your thoughts about how he fits in in the in the wide receiver group? Yeah, again.
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We talked about this even going back to bringing in Golden Tate initially on that contract, right? A little bit of redundancy with what you think.
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Sterling Shepard does well, but right now and I know it zits tricky because you look at and you say, Well, the separation stats hurt you because that's what you lose when you don't have speed guys.
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But I think that right now with the as we're going to get into the offensive line and that development from Daniel Jones perspective, it's Hey, we want guys that you can get the ball out of your hands quickly to and trust, to make those catches, maybe get some yards after the catch and try to move.
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These chains were not a big, deep down the field team because the time just isn't there for Jones in the pockets unnecessarily.
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Assess.
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So while I may have my preferences of how I would traditionally construct a wide receiver room, I'm excited about the idea of bringing in a younger player.
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It's week you're going into a Week six now, so that means you're gonna get a nice, good look at him.
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There's a chance you could get a look at something other young guys as the season progresses along.
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And hopefully, if you talk about even just using some of those reps sample sizes that you had in Radley, he's gonna get looks.
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He's going to be on the field here, So maybe he gives a new dynamic that complements Shepherd.
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Well, when he comes back from injury and then Slaten and you start to get this, you know, young core and and really, I know I'm leaving Tate out of this mix, and that's not because I have my issues with him.
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You end up with Shepherd as kind of the veteran presence over some of these young guys, which I, which I like well.
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And to be honest with you, with no Sterling Shepard potentially upcoming this week against the Washington football team, you know this is actually a move that's going to impact play on the field.
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Sometimes you kind of feel the back into the roster.
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You're using it for depth.
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It's the in case of emergency break glass, but the guy on the field type of thing you know Mac is you know he's going to get some reps when he's out there.
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You think about how many wide receivers the Giants have at this point, with no raptly you're talking about Take, You're talking about CJ board.
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You're talking about Darius sleeping.
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That's that's all that the Giants really have.
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So making a move like this, he is going to get looks in the four wide receiver set, sometimes three wide receiver sets, depending on the set up for the Giants.
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So it's gonna be interesting to see if we could start developing some of these young talent that we've been talking about since we drafted them or since we signed them to the practice squad back over the summer.
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Yeah, 34 snaps last week for Radley.
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So, you know, they waved a player that was playing significant minutes from minutes significant snaps for them in the course of the game.
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So, yeah, you've got to spread them out somewhere.
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Doesn't mean Mac you're going to get what would be 50% of the snaps this week, but it's gonna have to balance somewhere.
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So you would expect he's the least going to get, you know, 15 to 20 reps on the field, if not more potentially.
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And that's what I like.
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If you're going to make a move like this and bring up a young player that you got after the draft, Let's get a look at him.
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You want to do it immediately? Week one Though I have been known to call for for choices like that, I do now at this point of the season.
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Oh, and five.
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Let's take a look at some of the young guys and see how they can impact the roster.
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We when we talk about the young guys and this roster, we talk, of course, about the offensive line play.
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We talk about Daniel Jones and just the state of the offenses rate now.
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Colombo offensive line coach.
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He came out and said, Listen, you know, I know we're looking at Thomas and just really getting frustrated at the same time.
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His problem is really the consistency that he's seeing from Thomas because he's saying we get some really good, aggressive hard nose plays from him, and then we get some really bad looks where he's getting blown passed by, you know, by the Dallas Cowboys this past week, nine pressures surrendered.
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That's a little bit difficult to swallow from A as a fan but at the same time, like this is what you expect from rookies across the board in a lot of ways, let alone a guy that is more known as a run blocking left tackle.
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Then he is a past blocking left tackle where in this last game, I think alone he was up in the seventies and pass protection and then down in the thirties and sorry.
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Reverse that up in the seventies and run blocking down in the thirties and pass protection.
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And that's that's the difficulty that we're seeing here with him, because it's such a wide margin of good and bad.
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Um, you know, and throughout that line, just briefly throughout that line, we've seen spikes from Hernandez, right? We've seen some actually fairly decent play from Camp Fleming.
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And as the footnote back on, that where everyone wants to beat him up for what could have been the great trick play on the field goal.
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It's actually the Q B on that play.
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Riley Dixon is supposed to make sure that everyone is 100% set.
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He gets super excited to see Evan Ingram uncovered on the outside, wants that ball wants to throw it.
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So you may want to get on Camp Fleming there.
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But it's actually on the punter snapper holder there to make sure everyone's in a set position.
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So it's just it's It's a mixed bag right now, and you probably want to hear something better from Colombo.
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But this is where we are.
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Where do you Where do you go? Here? Well, it z Columbus in a tough spot, right? Hey, has to defend his player.
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He's a young rookie that's been thrown into the into the fire, you know, to the wolves against some of the most formidable pass rushers in the entire league.
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So you know, let's not let's not forget that you're going against, you know, T.
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J. Watt. You're going against Khalil.
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Mack, You're going against Aaron.
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Donald, you're talking about literally three of the top maybe five pass rushers you're talking about going up against the Marcus Lawrence who at one point was it was a was a great you know, Russia of the quarterback who knows.
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Jury still out on where he goes from here.
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But, uh, Andrew Thomas has given up 28 Q B pressures so far this year.
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That's the most of any tackle in the entire league.
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He is giving up a lot of pressures.
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You mentioned how many there were in the last game.
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It felt like they were focusing in, and they were really teeing off on Andrew Thomas.
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And what Colombo said is he's seen some baby steps.
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He'd like to see some leaps and and some real progressions from him.
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What Colombo you know, the offensive line coach said, was he sees Andrew Thomas lunging at defenders because he's really trying to get his hands on them as quickly as possible.
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When he lunges, it puts him out of position.
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And, you know, defensive ends have realized this.
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And Mawr and Mawr.
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They're doing spin moves and taking advantage of Andrew Thomas coming inside because Andrew Thomas is lunging to the outside, trying to protect Daniel Jones is blind side and now all of a sudden, there spinning inside and they're getting pressure on Daniel Jones.
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So they've identified the problem, which is a good thing.
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Now the question is, can they really work with Andrew Thomas over the next couple of weeks to be able to fix this up? Shore this up, get him into better position to help protect Daniel Jones.
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So he's not having to roll all pressure away from Andrew Thomas.
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Yeah, and we talked about how on drop backs, right? The pressure that Daniel Jones is under coming into Week five, it was around 46% of drop backs.
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Now, though, coming out of this one where you want to say now, progress if we want to go on the negative side of it, he was pressured on 19 of 35/50 percent.
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So you know it's still not getting there.
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And that makes it difficult to look at Daniel Jones and assess behind this line right now.
00:19:31
And I know you as the fan bases, everybody starts to gear up for the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes.
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You have a bit of ah, a cautionary comparison, I might think.
00:19:43
Well, Adam, So everyone's like, you know, ring the alarm bell For Daniel Jones, it's Trevor Lawrence time and listen.
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Trevor Lawrence is a top talent.
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He could potentially be a generational talent.
00:19:54
I personally think the Giants have far too many holes along all of their roster that I don't know if he instantly makes you a contender there.
00:20:02
There are gonna be plenty of discussion to be had.
00:20:04
It'll probably sort itself out with the way that Daniel Jones plays over the course of the year.
00:20:08
However, just if you put things in perspective, you know you go back to last year and through the first five games of the season, there was another quarterback in a similar position.
00:20:18
So what? Daniel Jones Waas had 11 more yards passing, had a couple more touchdowns, had a couple more interceptions, had a 75 pass away rating.
00:20:29
Daniel Jones has a 70 so he's five points behind. Impasse rating.
00:20:32
Guy had 2025 28 yards, Mawr rushing and that challenge.
00:20:38
And guess what? Yeah, guess what? That's Josh Allen.
00:20:40
You know, Friends didn't know it.
00:20:43
Use my brain.
00:20:44
And guess what? Everyone is saying that Daniel Jones is having an an abject failure over a year, right? And you look at what Josh Allen did.
00:20:53
Yeah, a couple of more touchdowns.
00:20:55
About the same, A little bit more passer rating.
00:20:58
I think it's 1.
00:20:59
5 points completion percentage there.
00:21:01
It's not like one is number one in the world and no one is number 35.
00:21:05
They're relatively close.
00:21:06
Guess what? The Buffalo Bills, because they were, um, or complete team had a foreign one record after five games, and the Giants are Oh, in five.
00:21:14
And guess what going into the game last night against the Tennessee Titans, Josh Allen lead in passing yards and touchdown passes in all of the A F C.
00:21:21
So, like I feel like everyone wants to compare Daniel Jones to people that are further along in their progression that have been around for more years like they're comparing him to Sam Donaldson.
00:21:32
Donald has had an extra year of playing over Daniel Jones.
00:21:35
They compared to Josh, Josh Allen, the same and and to me, like I listen, I think we need to be able to see this entire year of Daniel Jones to be able to give a referendum on whether or not he should be here.
00:21:48
But the people that are calling for his head and saying Thank for for Trevor Right now.
00:21:51
I really don't think they're giving Daniel Jones an opportunity and by the way, because I've done in the SportsCastr NFL news side of things where I get together with guys that cover the Patriots that cover the Colts that cover the Ravens.
00:22:02
A lot of a F C teams ironically, But when we get into these NFL talk sometimes on Monday and Thursday night football Ah, lot of times it comes back to this idea of remember playing in a major market like New York, right? Everything is that much more ratcheted up.
00:22:17
You don't get the grace period off.
00:22:19
Oh, maybe you're gonna take some lumps.
00:22:21
Maybe we'll see how you look on the back end of year number two.
00:22:24
No, it's when you start week, you know, Week four, Week three last season for Daniel Jones.
00:22:28
The results of your scrambled ran up the gut for a touchdown and got yourself a w.
00:22:33
Amazing.
00:22:34
Now we're going to start setting now.
00:22:35
The bar starts to get set, and every week thereafter is about no May.
00:22:41
We're not okay.
00:22:42
Here we and then coming into this year, it's the exact same thing.
00:22:45
The second that you see a fumble, it's automatic. And then and listen.
00:22:48
There are things that are real and that are issues that Jones has to correct.
00:22:51
But as soon as you see any indicator of it, it's automatically, boy, I just don't think it's gonna be there for you.
00:22:57
I think it's time to move on.
00:22:58
Think we should go ahead and listen? There were people that called possibly talk about media speculation Around left Bell.
00:23:03
There were articles that floated around there following the Week four loss about whether or not they should consider the idea of benching Daniel Jones in favor of Colt McCoy like it's just this is the nature of East Coast coverage in sports.
00:23:17
And it's unfortunate because if you don't have players at key positions, let alone the quarterback, if you don't have a guy that can withstand that like we had in the line Manning for years.
00:23:26
And I think we do have in Daniel Jones from mental makeup that can shatter a guy before they even get a chance to prove what they're worth.
00:23:33
And we heard that from Sam Donald across the stadium in terms of seeing ghosts last year, right and some of the ways that he talks that maybe it's just not a good fit toe have to deal with what is relative nonsense.
00:23:45
As you're trying to grow and develop as a cube, well, and and the problem is you have a couple quarterbacks that come in and right away look amazing.
00:23:54
They're like he's the guy.
00:23:55
And so people think that there's only one way to become a successful NFL quarterback, and that is you get thrown into the fire.
00:24:02
You succeed right away and you never have a problem your entire career, like people are already.
00:24:07
You know, I love what I'm seeing from Justin Herbert, and I think he's proving ah, ton of people wrong, including me, who? I thought he was going to struggle early on his career.
00:24:16
I thought it would take longer for him to progress.
00:24:17
He is slinging the ball all over the yard and he looks wonderful.
00:24:21
But people are already saying Justin Herbert is the guy.
00:24:24
He is the it guy.
00:24:26
He is the flavor of the week and he's been in the league for three games and like to me, if you're going to anoint him as like the future top five quarterback after three games when no one has any game film on him from the NFL.
00:24:40
Like you know, people just want to be able to have a definitive statement on a quarterback as quickly as possible.
00:24:46
So there, early reading Daniel Jones off even though he's a year in five games into his career and their early anointing Justin Herbert.
00:24:53
Now Joe Burrow was the number one pick he's thrown for 300 yards on a bad team.
00:24:57
He looks awesome and, like, Man, do they really have a good one in Cincinnati? But to that point, I think people just want to make a definitive statement either way on a quarterback and as quickly as they can.
00:25:07
They're happy with their decision.
00:25:09
It's a collection of talent.
00:25:10
It's what's around, all these players as well, that that's what dictates how quickly you can see what they are.
00:25:15
I think usually asl Ong as things are about equal in terms off the roster around them.
00:25:20
You tend to have the quality quarterbacks rise to the top.
00:25:22
But if you're in really difficult spots, as both cubes are in New York, it's hard to get a sense of that.
00:25:27
So, yeah, listen, talk to me a week, 13 14 and I'll start.
00:25:31
You know, I'll give you what my real sense of Daniel Jones is.
00:25:34
If you put Daniel Jones on the Indianapolis Colts tomorrow.
00:25:39
Do you think he would look a little bit better against a competent offensive line with, You know, all those weapons on the outside that that the Colts have with a competent like what a great comparable is putting on the Buffalo Bills, right with solid offensive line mobile quarterback with a good, decent running game, some injuries there with a nice compliment of wide receivers, right? You brought in Stefon Diggs.
00:25:59
A deep threat.
00:26:00
Like all of those things, I think.
00:26:01
Listen, do I think that would be like for like maybe, maybe not? But again, like you said 70 versus 75 rating, it's You're not that far off the mark from being where Josh Allen Waas as you move through the paces of a four and one Buffalo Bills team last year and and then this year is? Well, exactly, exactly.
00:26:19
And so to me, let's not jump the gun on anything with Daniel Jones.
00:26:22
Let's actually give him more than a year to be able to see what we have.
00:26:26
He was a rookie last year, and we need to note that there is not as much talent around him as there are in some of these other places.
00:26:33
And so you know, to me, I wanna be able to see Daniel Jones through this year.
00:26:38
And guess what, Adam, If we don't win any games and Daniel Jones doesn't look good, then we'll be in position to draft Trevor Lawrence.
00:26:44
But if we win four or five games coming down the stretch, and he and we do it because Daniel Jones is looking good, like it's tough for me to, then all of a sudden pull the pull, you know, pull the carpet out from under him.
00:26:56
I'm not gonna make decisions on Wednesday that impact me on Friday, right on Friday morning.
00:27:02
I'll understand all the information I have and I'll make those choices.
00:27:05
Listen, let's go ahead.
00:27:08
We always like to at least get a little bit ahead of ourselves.
00:27:10
In terms of perspectives around the Giants.
00:27:11
Let's pull it back into what's going on right now.
00:27:14
We know that Lorenzo Carter goes out with an injury.
00:27:16
We know that ocean examine is who didn't look necessary.
00:27:19
Sharp, as we had hoped early in the season, also goes down with an injury.
00:27:22
So Thea, outside linebacking corps, specifically getting after after the quarterback on the edge.
00:27:28
Some of those speed players that we need on this defense.
00:27:31
We are lacking right now.
00:27:32
There are a couple of options internally, and that's the obvious ones of Carter, Coughlin and Cam Brown. Carter.
00:27:38
Coughlin, My boy neither.
00:27:39
Neither one of these players has sniffed any snaps on the defensive side of the ball.
00:27:43
They potentially could be an option for Big Blue, but two other guys that are being talked about right now the first specifically is going to be Trent Harris.
00:27:52
And the reason why is he was on the Miami Dolphins last season.
00:27:55
6 to £240 played in 11 games started.
00:27:59
Three gave you 22 tackles, a forced fumble, two Q B hits and a sack and a half.
00:28:05
Familiarity also has ties to New England.
00:28:07
There, with Patrick Graham with Joe Judge.
00:28:10
He has gone through and is going through the cove in 19 testing protocol, and then he's going to get a workout, came in for a visit on Friday and then could have an opportunity to work out with the team and see if that's a fit.
00:28:21
You could talk about Harris if you want, you can talk about the guys on the roster.
00:28:26
Where would you like to see the Giants go to replace this depth there at the position? Yeah.
00:28:30
I mean, I mean clearly, uh, you know, Graham likes, likes Harris in terms of, you know, kind of following around, like you said.
00:28:37
Drafted by the New England Patriots, then moved over to Miami Dolphins now coming in for a visit.
00:28:42
He is only 25 years old.
00:28:44
You know, I have no problem bringing in young talent that clearly knows the system that Graham wants to play.
00:28:49
So if we need someone to get, get acclimated quickly, we have that ability rather than, uh, you know, maybe one of the younger guys that isn't really developed yet.
00:28:58
And before you touch on our guys, the young guns that we have, I will say the other name, the other name that gets thrown out there, who also went through the testing protocol, and we'll get a look from the team.
00:29:08
That's Kendall Coleman.
00:29:10
Now. I'm gonna I'm going to test you here.
00:29:12
Do you know where Kendall Coleman went to college? Andy, Do I know where Kendall Comment? I do not.
00:29:19
Why He was an undrafted rookie free agent out of Syracuse.
00:29:22
Good on you.
00:29:25
So, Hey, he was drafted by the Indianapolis Colts, cut over the summer.
00:29:29
So, you know, hasn't had a chance to really be on a roster and see what he's made of.
00:29:33
He also went through the same process.
00:29:34
So those were the two players that are in position to at least get a run here and get a tryout with the team Now, bias.
00:29:41
Aside from your college background, where do you look in terms of Brown? In terms of Coughlin, do you have a preference? The other names, by the way, that weren't brought in it all.
00:29:50
And talk about replacements are all the old are all the old guys like Cameron Wake and you know, like Clay Matthews and players of that name Terrell Suggs, like these are all the guys that get thrown out there around the two players that specifically have been brought in and both represent youth, which I think is the direction you assume the Giants would go here.
00:30:07
Yeah, I think I think we go youth.
00:30:10
It's tough.
00:30:12
I don't mind any of these players coming in and to your point, you know, Cameron, Wake Terrell Suggs.
00:30:18
Like what? What are we What are we trying to accomplish with that? Uh, well, it's It's almost to the point of Libyan Bell.
00:30:26
It's like Levian bells. 28.
00:30:27
He can still contribute a lot of these guys.
00:30:28
Air 33 34 35 years old and, you know, for for a year rental when we're not really competing.
00:30:34
I'd really like to develop and see what this young talent is if they want to bring in Harris and they want to see what he has.
00:30:40
And and I think that in a couple of weeks he maybe be able to be a situational, rotational kind of guy that be great.
00:30:46
You know, I'm willing you've talked up Carter Coffin so much to me that I'm really excited to see if he could get some snaps on the field.
00:30:53
So we can either give you a pat on the back or we can just shame you and shun you for for the love and affinity that you've had for Coughlin.
00:31:00
Yeah, I don't know.
00:31:02
Listen, I'm back in, my boy.
00:31:04
He's been my play all year, but Now we're actually getting to a situation where the proof is going to be in the pudding, and I don't know what I anticipated.
00:31:11
I did say, Remember, coming into the year I said I wanted to see him by the end of the season getting 30 to 35% of the defensive snaps.
00:31:19
So that's really what he could be walking into right now.
00:31:22
Interested to see where they think Cam Brown is right now? They considered him so.
00:31:26
Between the two Carter Coughlin is looked to be a really high motor guy, really high mental a***en guy and is going to be giving you 1000% every step of the every step of the game and that he could come in and could contribute.
00:31:39
Right now, Cam Brown was looked at, at least as a developmental player that needs to learn some of the techniques that you want him to utilize.
00:31:46
So between the two, you would expect Coughlin to be first in line to get reps.
00:31:50
But I wouldn't be surprised if they use them somewhat collectively and say, Hey, your length here.
00:31:56
Cam Brown might be more effective on a particular down in distance whereas Carter Coughlin really is going to represent in my mind that Ocean examines type of guy and that supplemental behind a Markus Golden.
00:32:09
So that's what I would anticipate being the move here.
00:32:12
A tely east.
00:32:13
Especially maybe in the short term we've seen take Crowder gets, um, reps on the defensive side of the ball.
00:32:17
I think you could see Carter Coughlin get a look here.
00:32:19
Maybe this week.
00:32:20
Want to keep an eye on activations around? You know, the 55 53 man roster.
00:32:24
Excuse me coming into Sunday against Washington and might be a good spot to get young guys.
00:32:30
Some taste here against a relatively bad team in Washington, especially on their offensive side of the bull, so we'll keep our eyes on it.
00:32:38
And the way that we can also look at this is in our last segment.
00:32:41
Andy.
00:32:42
We talked earlier, referencing Wayne Gallman getting some reps, and that's where we had Thio snap.
00:32:48
You get it? I see what you did that that was That was clever, Adam. That was clever.
00:32:53
Worry about me on that side of things when we go back into this week, so there's actually a very specific player that I want to touch on here, because I think it's important when you talk about the evolution of this offensive system.
00:33:05
But as I mentioned Goldman earlier, you could just think about that.
00:33:08
He had 15% of the snaps two weeks ago.
00:33:10
18 this past week.
00:33:12
Devante Freeman, Really, the past two games has lived in the 54% range, 37 snaps, Dion Lewis trending slightly down.
00:33:20
So what, you're probably sitting in the running back room is Goldman is going is already clearly become the first back up to come off of the off of the sidelines there when Freeman needs a breather.
00:33:30
And I think you're going to see a trend more in that direction because Freeman is more capable of being a shift your back and catching the ball in the backfield and calming can represent the power for them there, that's a nice tip of the hat.
00:33:41
We also mentioned Radley 50% of those reps that has to go somewhere.
00:33:46
Be interesting to see.
00:33:47
And by the way, if you're in the if you're in the camp of I'm not a huge fan of Golden Tate, it might be interesting to know that he has gone over the last three weeks, 92 75 59% off the reps on the field.
00:34:04
So he is trending in the wrong direction as we anticipate Matt getting on the field and Shepherd coming back from injury.
00:34:10
Well, as you can tell, Jason Garrett loves run first offense.
00:34:14
First down, he loves to pound the rock, and what he's realizing with Dion Lewis is that he is just not a between the tackles runner.
00:34:21
That's not what you That's not why you signed Dion Lewis.
00:34:23
He's a guy that you want to get out in space, is quick and shifty and could make people miss on the outside.
00:34:28
He's great at pass catching, but the problem is, if you're very one dimensional, then you're already telling the defense what you're gonna be doing on that play.
00:34:37
And so even trying to trick the defense and playing chess, you're handing the ball off to Dion Lewis against a Nef ence of line that hasn't been able to run black as effectively as we would like.
00:34:47
So, like, it's kind of a Catch 22.
00:34:49
Dion Lewis has a particular skill set that doesn't necessarily match up.
00:34:53
How are offensive line is playing and the approach that Daniel Jones has.
00:34:56
So he's slowly kind of getting phased out because at least Goldman and Devonta Freeman can give you both dimensions to to really make the defense think a little bit more again.
00:35:06
Losing, say Kwan Barkley right with, say, Kwan Barkley healthy.
00:35:09
Lewis is a beautiful compliment to Barkley, but when you lose him now, you're like, Well, how do we make Barkley out of two other guys? And Freeman and Goldman represent? I think that combination and and to your point, Lewis kind of gets on the outside looking in.
00:35:23
Here is the big one for me, man, though.
00:35:24
Here's the big one.
00:35:26
Such a beautiful math.
00:35:27
Here's the big one.
00:35:29
Evan Ingram.
00:35:32
Over the course of this season, let's do all five weeks for your friends.
00:35:36
94 97 85 84 81% of the snaps on the offensive side of the bowl.
00:35:43
It is not a coincidence that over the last three games, Caden Smith's percentages have gone up as have toil OAS.
00:35:50
Now can that be predicated on a combination of wanting to give extra protection on the offensive line and help there.
00:35:55
It certainly can.
00:35:56
I'm not as concerned about Toy Loa or even or even or Caden Smith.
00:36:01
What I'm well, I'm looking at is for all the value in the target and wanting to get everything.
00:36:06
Women involved there very clearly, trying to shrink, shrink how much you're using him and maximize the plays you use him on.
00:36:13
Had a great end around sweep, right.
00:36:15
Took it for a nice chunk.
00:36:16
Play had an opportunity that ends up getting called back due to penalty toe.
00:36:20
Have a touchdown as well in the game.
00:36:22
But I think that this is Jason Garrett in this offense.
00:36:24
Maybe just looking and saying Okay, we need to pick our spots with this guy.
00:36:28
We need to identify the mismatch, put him in a great position and tell him to go out there and execute.
00:36:32
Do I think he's gonna fall down a 50 50 split? No, but I think they're just realizing that when you have him on the field 100% of the time, the 20% that you want to run the ball or that you wanna have Daniel Jones dropped back and look for some crossing routes through the wide receivers.
00:36:47
He diminishes the value there because he's making errors in the past, blocking the run blocking scheme, and it makes it harder Thio No, right.
00:36:55
What they wanna know offensively is consistency.
00:36:58
That's why we focus on Thomas so much consistency.
00:37:00
Just try to do and be his even keeled in everything we ask of you.
00:37:05
And right now, you're not getting that from Ingram.
00:37:06
So we're just gonna go ahead and shrink the sample size well.
00:37:09
And if you think about it, the Giants run game looked pretty competent against a pretty bad Dallas run defense.
00:37:16
I mean, they have given up over 300 yards on the ground to the Cleveland Browns a week beforehand.
00:37:20
So the Giants are identifying, okay, Their weakness is the run game.
00:37:24
We have not been able to run the ball effectively.
00:37:27
If we start stacking with Kevin Smith or, you know we bring in bigger bodies on the offensive line, we may be able to establish the run a little bit more.
00:37:35
And to your point, even though we're moving it down to 81 snaps, you know, Evan Ingram only had two targets.
00:37:40
You know, on the on the outside passing they were able to get him the ball in space, which is what we think.
00:37:45
He should be a little bit more more off, and I have hated the take on Evan Ingram that we need to move him out to a wide receiver.
00:37:53
But when you start talking about golden tape moving some of those snaps down and we're losing some snaps from Evan Ingram, maybe putting him out wide and putting cadence.
00:38:02
Smith, you know, in that tight end position to be a little bit more of an effective run blocker gives us a little bit of a different dimension than we have with golden tape.
00:38:11
So for me, maybe maybe we're trying to shift things around a little bit.
00:38:15
And maybe we could get a little bit more creative than what we've been.
00:38:17
Interesting to see that that's not a bad thought, because you could say, if you haven't liked to return on investment from Golden Tate.
00:38:23
Now you're bringing up Mac, but you still want to create some different looks for defense.
00:38:27
Is this is where you to your point using Evan Ingram and flexible kind of role can make sense.
00:38:32
And by the way, when you talk about that jet sleep that they ran with him that felt very much like what they try to do on the back end of Odell Beckham's time with the team, right? How do we get the ball into this dynamic playmakers hands? Let's not worry about traditional route right.
00:38:46
Let's just talk about physical ball in hand.
00:38:49
Let's look for a couple of those opportunities throughout the game to do so, so that's that's where you start to utilize him.
00:38:54
And he still does represent a legitimate threat that the defense has to respect.
00:38:58
If you move him out wide in the slot, wherever it may be, even if he's not great at doing it, you still have to know that he's there.
00:39:05
And potentially he's going to turn himself right back into a traditional tight end route.
00:39:10
After the snap, it reminded me of talking to the downtown Rams podcast about how they use their wide receivers and the motion that they create.
00:39:18
They have either Cooper Cooper, Robert Woods or Josh Reynolds constantly moving to create that that, you know, deception pre snap, and they usually like to hand the ball off to Robert Woods or Cooper Cup coming around on those sweeps.
00:39:30
And I think to myself, if we could start incorporating Evan Ingram the same way that they do their wide receivers, then you don't necessarily even care where he lines up.
00:39:37
But just get him in that motion and get him the ball in his hands, because clearly, you know Lining them up is a traditional tight end is not working, and we're reducing the amount of snaps that we're seeing from him in that regard.
00:39:48
So let's start doing some creative ways to either get him the ball or get him on the field in a position to succeed for sure.
00:39:54
Other little footnote around it would be Ryan Lewis maxed out almost on the defensive side of the ball.
00:39:59
Had 97% of the reps there yet, um, down to zero Corey Ballentine hasn't seen the field in three weeks.
00:40:05
Nothing for Madre Harper in this one, either.
00:40:06
So something to keep an eye on as we look towards the back end of the week and looking ahead to Washington, just seeing if anybody else is getting a shot here is it Harper just getting his feet wet and maybe he'll get a look? Or Or or the, uh, defensive coaches excited and comfortable, at least with Ryan Lewis being out there.
00:40:24
So those are the things that will probably monitor.
00:40:26
And it is nice to see is, well, that Darnay Holmes, who really saw a big drop off in snap count from Week one and then through 2 to 4 he's been trending back up again, played in 76% of the snaps this past week.
00:40:38
So, you know, listen, remember young players developing players, they're going to take their lumps.
00:40:43
I mean, I hate Thio.
00:40:45
I hate to be the Whoa, everybody all the time, but that's what that's how you're supposed to approach this season.
00:40:52
I'm excited when we look really go to dynamic or make a big play, and I want us to win, and I'm gonna keep expecting us to be competitive.
00:40:59
And also, this is the nature of having a lot of young players that a lot of key positions Adam, I know we're getting consistency, but with Ryan Lewis, it's consistently poor play like he's grating out.
00:41:11
He's grading out really bad when you look at it.
00:41:14
So it's fine that we're finally finding someone that can stay on the field for, you know, 80 90 or 100% of the snaps in Ryan Lewis.
00:41:24
But if he's not playing well, we're still not solving the problem.
00:41:26
So, to your point, like, how long does it take for Madre Harper to to get acclimated? Is there anyone else that we can put in like I want consistency to? But when it's just consistently poor? What I don't think that solves anything for us? No. And by the way, I'm not.
00:41:41
I'm not singing the praises of of what Lewis is doing out there, but it is just the reality.
00:41:45
I would like to see Harper get a sniff and see what those results are.
00:41:48
And again, Big picture following the bye week.
00:41:51
If we get back McKinney off injury, that's when you're automatically going to see because last thing I know, everyone loves it when I do stats.
00:41:58
But when you talk about those percentage on the defensive side, we are talking about Bradbury playing 100.
00:42:03
We know that I played 97 snaps, but Logan Ryan is playing 100% of the snaps over the last three weeks.
00:42:09
So he's going to be on the field now.
00:42:12
It's about okay, let's start to use you a little more flexibly.
00:42:15
And that could be saying we're gonna put you in the slot for a couple of reps and then Homes is gonna go outside for a handful of reps or as we introduce Madre Harbor.
00:42:24
Maybe he gets a little sample here.
00:42:25
A little look over there.
00:42:27
So it's unfortunate that so much of our quality reps are all happening in the secondary.
00:42:32
We know with Peppers coming back off the injury, he's gonna ramp it back up in this Week six matchup with Washington as well.
00:42:38
So we have our talent pool in the secondary is fairly heavily concentrated at the back end.
00:42:43
So we're gonna have to wait and see how the defense looks to adjust as you get some health care.
00:42:48
But I do want to get a look.
00:42:49
And by the way, let's be clear here.
00:42:52
Madre Harper was coming off the practice squad for Vegas.
00:42:54
Okay, so this isn't a guy that was third on the depth chart and couldn't get a look and they released him.
00:43:00
He's a practice squad guy, a developmental guy.
00:43:02
But I like the size and length and again in a season like this, unfortunately, it's going to be.
00:43:09
Let's give Darnay Holmes a clean shot on the outside.
00:43:11
Let's try Corey Valentine.
00:43:13
Let's bring in Lewis.
00:43:15
Now.
00:43:16
Let's try Madre Harper like that.
00:43:17
Just maybe the nature of that side of the field for us on defense, for the entirety of this season, Or at least until you get McKinney back.
00:43:24
And then we'll see the true flexibility.
00:43:26
And maybe how Patrick Graham thinks he can create balance on the defensive side of the book.
00:43:31
That's a huge needle mover in terms of being able to stay competitive and match up well.
00:43:35
We know what seedy Lamb did on that side of the field last week, right? So, getting some level of understanding off.
00:43:41
Yeah, Logan Ryan's gonna take his licks because he's not a true outside corner, but he's a veteran.
00:43:46
He knows the schemes.
00:43:47
He can stick with these guys at least more consistent than we've seen from some of the younger players, and hopefully we'll find out more about what's going on with Julian Love and whether or not maybe, are they completely done with him, or do they feel the same way that they do about Valentine that they do about love? That's gonna be interesting coming up because Ryan Lewis has has come in.
00:44:06
He hasn't played much better than Ballantine did.
00:44:08
Admittedly and Julian loves kind of getting moved out of that state safety position, do we try to flip him back over to to a cornerback position and try to steal some snaps with him there? I think there's a lot of different shifting that the Giants could do because even though there's consistency now, it's consistently poor.
00:44:24
Yeah, and unfortunately, in other teams, other rosters you may not have even heard about Valentine being on the field entering his second season, right? That's also the difference of talent and depth on rosters.
00:44:36
Likewise, for Julian Love, maybe he would have been small sample size last year, and we'd be saying, Boy, it would be nice to see him developing year number two.
00:44:43
Instead, there's some pressure.
00:44:45
There's some onus, and there's a potential that guy's We maybe thought could have been developing on this roster may not even be here.
00:44:51
next year because it was feet to the fire.
00:44:54
Boy, you can't do it. You're out the door.
00:44:56
We turn the page as we turn the page away from our midweek update and look ahead to that Washington matchup.
00:45:03
Come Friday morning, we're trying to set up another crossover, so fingers, ironically, cross that we get that lined up for the people.
00:45:10
But in the meantime, we turn our attention over there.
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SportsCastr, we say, Hey, Patty, wack.
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We'll give it our best as always.
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Let's go. Big blue.
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