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00:05:22
Yeah, yeah.
00:05:52
Hey. Good morning, everyone. Welcome.
00:05:54
FBC Radio Live. We're here.
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It's Wednesdays.
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Hump Day talked over the 14th.
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And if you're on, if you're watching on SportsCastr, you can see we got our long lost friend Kyle center on joining us here.
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It's been a while.
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Well, relative to how often he was on over the summer where he was basically chomping at the bit, begging us to come on every day.
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We feel like we haven't seen him in a while, so we're happy to have him here.
00:06:23
And, of course, we got the man without an actual face.
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He's well, he does have a face, it just doesn't move.
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And he stands in that solitary stare the entire time he's awake, even when he's sleeping.
00:06:34
So, Mike, how are you doing, my friend? E O Oh, you know what? I dropped.
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I dropped the ball there.
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E dropped the ball.
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That's okay.
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I still get I still give the people what they want in the LA la laws anyway.
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But no, I'm I'm doing pretty well.
00:06:57
Yes, you're absolutely right.
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I do stand in that stare right now.
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I'm in that stare.
00:07:01
I mean that that that locked frame of mind, Uh, become very good at ventriloquism, which is good.
00:07:07
You can barely see my lips.
00:07:08
Yeah, but also, you know what I think that's, uh I think that's a pretty win win situation for your regular Jeff Dunham, my friend.
00:07:17
You know, I I was I started saying that name without remembering what his last name was, and I just kind of gambled that I was gonna remember by the time I got to it, and I did.
00:07:26
You didn't look done.
00:07:27
Uh huh.
00:07:28
There you go.
00:07:29
Hey, that's why we got Kyle here.
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He adds those nice little quips and witty, witty, just random joking something.
00:07:35
Oh, and we lost.
00:07:36
E would think you're actually funnier than just drift on him.
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I don't know if you're is talented, but the admiral a liberation is certainly, uh, always applicable.
00:07:46
Well, I do Take that, Admiral.
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Uh, you know, designation very seriously, my friend.
00:07:51
Thank you so much for the kind compliment.
00:07:52
I really do appreciate that.
00:07:54
Um, yeah, way.
00:08:00
Get Kyle back over here and it gives people a break from our idiocy in.
00:08:04
So, you know, we get we get tired when some no No, no.
00:08:07
I think we got the wisdom.
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And council meter is a little bit.
00:08:10
Let's all agree that normal.
00:08:12
Normally, let's just all agree that we could talk about the Jets idiocy and be done with it.
00:08:17
Okay, we're all idiots.
00:08:18
But let's talk about the Jets idiocy.
00:08:20
No, there's idiocy.
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And then there's Jets idiocy, folks.
00:08:23
There's there's a really different kind of redundant that.
00:08:25
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:08:27
No, It it takes it to a new level.
00:08:29
Yeah, I like it.
00:08:30
It's fun.
00:08:31
And I was going to say being funnier than Jeff Dunham isn't necessarily a compliment, although I do agree that my co host is pretty funny.
00:08:40
Um, on the mike, of course, but yeah, I'm not a cute Let's not confuse my my Jeff Dunham reference with me.
00:08:48
Wait a minute.
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Wait a minute.
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What do you mean, funny? Funny? Funny, huh? Alright, Funny funny.
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My my money.
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How? What do I unusual I make you laugh.
00:09:00
Well, I see it.
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It doesn't.
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It doesn't.
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It doesn't take long for Mike to to just go back to his roots.
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And, you know, again, this is this.
00:09:10
That movie was my that movie was actually based on a cousin of mix that that was his cousin.
00:09:16
Right? Right. Mike, you're all related.
00:09:18
Correct? Which is a little DeVito.
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I do have a cousin.
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I do have cousins that were that do have the last name.
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DeVito.
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So you know what? Take that for what you will, folks.
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Although that wasn't the guy's real name in real life.
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Tommy DeVito character's name.
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But, uh, you know, who knows? You know, there's there's all different kinds of connections.
00:09:34
But now, when you said funny, I I could not resist.
00:09:37
Funny.
00:09:38
Funny. Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
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Is a big boy. He knows what he said.
00:09:41
Well, that's what I'm saying.
00:09:42
Like, there's this trigger words, you know? You saying he just you could go off the rails, But I actually know DeVito to I don't know if he was a cousin, yours, but he, uh, played hockey.
00:09:51
I got have a lot to talk about.
00:09:57
We weren't Mike and I were on there because I had a feeling hockey was coming.
00:10:01
Well, no.
00:10:02
Well, I I had to mention I had to mention it briefly.
00:10:04
What? I mean, I don't even know if we're gonna get toe hockey right now.
00:10:06
I mean, okay, you know what? Actually, I'm going to try my hardest to squeeze it in there, because I do want to ask you a couple of things about you know, what's happened over the last, you know, week and a half or so, um, in the hockey world, at least, but yeah, Mike and I were not on the air on Monday, so we didn't get a chance to really dive into a lot of the Sunday action and were, you know, we'll touch on it, But there's so much that's happened just in the last couple of days.
00:10:31
I mean, obviously, the big news last night leave Ian Bell, uh, finished all of his 17 game career with the New York Jets by getting released.
00:10:39
The Jets? We talked.
00:10:40
We talked about Jets idiocy Well, there on the plug for for quite a bit of cap or cap dead cat money.
00:10:48
The Bills are no longer amongst the undefeated in the NFL, and we'll talk about how, actually know what? Let's start there because I kind of want to get you guys impression.
00:11:00
I'm not going to on and whoever standing outside by a jet, Uh, one of the two of you.
00:11:10
Please, please help me and close the window or something like that.
00:11:14
I'm getting a lot of feedback.
00:11:15
F y I I don't know if anyone else can hear it on on the other end, but someone's bikes getting a little, uh, a little noisy there.
00:11:22
Just so you guys know Anyways, the bills and and Titans played for for what felt like the first time in two weeks.
00:11:31
Um, I don't know if I'm gonna put too much stock into how bad the bills played.
00:11:40
I'm still, you know, wondering where they're gonna be in the long run when it comes to the hierarchy.
00:11:46
I mean, there's no, I mean, I heard people saying things like, Oh, well, we know who the bills I'm like.
00:11:50
No, I don't I really don't.
00:11:52
I mean, they've had a really good start to the season.
00:11:54
They we know they're a good defensive team.
00:11:56
That I do know Josh Allen is has played really well, but I'm not ready.
00:12:03
Just dismissed his first couple seasons based off four really good games.
00:12:07
And what we saw last night was Mawr, the Josh Allan that we've seen for a large portion of his career.
00:12:15
Now, I'm not saying that, You know, the first four games were fluke.
00:12:19
I think that the truth lies somewhere in between.
00:12:22
And it might mean mawr towards the same old bills versus this new and improved version.
00:12:27
So what do you guys think? What are your thoughts? What are your impressions on the bills and what happened last night? I mean, I've been saying it all off season.
00:12:38
The Titans air one of the maybe five best defenses in the league, so I also wouldn't overreact to that.
00:12:44
I don't see the Bills and Ravens is being that much different.
00:12:47
And I feel like, you know, the Ravens had a big loss.
00:12:51
Teoh, a Super Bowl contender in the Chiefs.
00:12:54
And, you know, I think unequivocally the Titans are Super Bowl contender.
00:12:59
I mean, they were in the A F C championship last year, and that's seeming like that.
00:13:02
That wasn't a fluke.
00:13:03
So, you know, to lose to those teams.
00:13:06
Okay, Yeah, that's it clearly shows they have improvements to make if they want oh, seriously compete.
00:13:12
But again, still early in the season.
00:13:14
So there is time to make these adjustments.
00:13:17
Um, I know Jesse Pearson has put his power rankings out.
00:13:21
He has the Ravens at six Bills at seven, and I think that's kind of more in line, right? I mean, both teams made the playoffs last year.
00:13:27
Neither team won a playoff game.
00:13:29
Both lost a F C South teams, which is actually probably more of indictment on the Bills because Jackson's uh, yeah, I probably should have won.
00:13:38
Right? Where the Ravens.
00:13:40
I mean, on paper before the game, you said that should have one, but they were just dominated.
00:13:43
I don't I don't even know what's worse.
00:13:44
Losing the close one or losing either way.
00:13:46
You know, no playoff win last year.
00:13:48
So you know both teams.
00:13:50
I think I expect both to still win their divisions.
00:13:54
Not to count the Patriots out entirely.
00:13:55
And not to say that the A F C North isn't incredibly difficult and even know even saying that now.
00:14:00
I mean, that isn't so.
00:14:02
I will.
00:14:03
I'll say this before I let, like, jump in here.
00:14:07
Um, I do think the one thing this did shine a light on is the fact that I do think people are very quick.
00:14:15
Thio elevate the bills.
00:14:17
And I think you know, this is an instance where I I do now.
00:14:20
At this point in the season, despite the issues that the Patriots have had, obviously with covert testing and everything like that, I obviously I don't think that's a long term issue, like I fully expect them to come back.
00:14:32
And, you know, we're talking about their two losses being a 35 30 loss to, you know, I think who we all believe is the presumptive oh, our leader in the M V P race and one of the best teams in league in the Seahawk.
00:14:43
Patrick Mahomes? Yeah, we'll get to him in a minute.
00:14:46
Um, yeah, he's having a great season.
00:14:49
The greatest, you know, if your Patriots fan or someone who covers team, you're coming out of that game feeling pretty good about where you're at.
00:15:11
Even that game against the Chiefs, with everything that they were facing, that was a lot closer than 26 to 10.
00:15:19
I know the sore kind of they separated there at the end, but but the Patriots had their way with that team, and if it wasn't for just absolutely inept quarterback play.
00:15:28
Then you know, you're talking about a very likely Patriots upset, you know? I mean, we're talking about a quarterback directly costing three teams several points and then, you know, different place here and there have obviously, um, you know, limited what they were able to do.
00:15:44
So I'm not ready to sit there and say, Oh, well, the Bills, the bills still have to prove it to may.
00:15:49
I think last night was kind of Ah, snap back to reality.
00:15:53
You know, I'm not about to get into Eminem rap right now.
00:15:57
I just I just don't have a Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16:02
OK, Mike, settle down.
00:16:04
Yeah. Hey, what's up? Cool, kids.
00:16:06
Yeah, well, the Prospect e Well, the problem is, if I were, if I or anyone were to mention spaghetti like you did now, all of a sudden I'm going to go off on the Dave Chappelle skit, which you lose yourself.
00:16:19
Yeah, well, e guess that I always think of Dave Chappelle.
00:16:22
Now I think of the song and then I go Spaghetti, spaghetti.
00:16:25
You know his whole thing? I don't know it z funny.
00:16:28
We're not here to talk about TV shows from 15 years ago.
00:16:32
Uh, enough living in the past. All right.
00:16:35
Uh, but anyways, I'm not about about ready to to give buffalo that credibility right now, because right now, after last night, I'm not completely like jumping off shift.
00:16:46
But there was a lot of things I saw last night that made me think, Oh, boy, yeah, yeah, let's let's wait and see what the bills do Because let's think about their schedule over the next five weeks.
00:16:58
They have theme.
00:17:00
The Chiefs.
00:17:02
They have the Patriots.
00:17:03
They have the Seahawks, they have the Jets.
00:17:06
So, Andi, the 15 in there is another game that they could easily lose so they could easily go.
00:17:14
They could go one in four.
00:17:16
Yeah, so let's let's yeah, exactly.
00:17:19
So I'm sitting here thinking I'm sitting here thinking like, Oh, boy, you know, that's that's you go.
00:17:24
You lose for the next five.
00:17:25
All of a sudden, that's five out of six, and you're you're under 500 over midway through the season.
00:17:30
So, um, I think this was a bad loss.
00:17:34
I don't want to complete.
00:17:36
If this was a normal week, I would be far more concerned about the bills.
00:17:39
Um, because there is a chance this could just be a mole again.
00:17:43
But at the same time, the Titans looked phenomenal.
00:17:48
So you know what do we you know? How are we supposed to take it? Like I said, I'm gonna lean towards the Titans being what they were last year, and I'm gonna lean.
00:17:57
Probably more towards the Bills.
00:18:00
Being a good young team, probably not one of the best in a F. C.
00:18:04
And maybe Josh Allen isn't quite, uh m v p Candidate worthy yet.
00:18:11
Well, I think if you look at the tale of two cities when it comes to these two teams, the bills are a team that loves to be able to block.
00:18:18
They love to get off blocks.
00:18:19
I don't think they did either one particularly well last night, As a matter of fact, I'll go and I'll say, I don't think they did one well at all.
00:18:25
Either one of those they couldn't tackle, they couldn't catch.
00:18:28
They did not sack Ryan Tannehill um guaranteed they were missing some players.
00:18:33
I mean, there's no denying that Troy Davis White, Matt Milano, Levi Wallace, But I didn't see the Bills play with that type of killer instinct in that clutch play that they've been playing with for the past few weeks.
00:18:44
You flip over to the script and the Titans were just a short staff, so you can't really use.
00:18:48
The excuse of Buffalo is decimated.
00:18:51
Titans did not have Geoffrey Simmons.
00:18:53
They did not have Adoree Jackson.
00:18:54
Christian Fulton wasn't in the lineup.
00:18:56
Corey Davis, Adam Humphreys.
00:18:58
That's a lot of talent to be sitting on the sidelines, but the Tennessee Titans made it work.
00:19:02
They just absolutely dominated this game from Pillar to post, starting with Josh Allen throwing the ball away right, you know, through the fingertips into the hands of Malcolm Butler.
00:19:12
Gift interception there, Um, just uncharacteristic mistakes.
00:19:15
And I don't think they played with a sense of urgency or a sense of toughness last night that you're going to need to beat a team like the Tennessee Titans.
00:19:23
I'm still on your page in.
00:19:26
I'm not ready to write the Bills off just yet, just because they have looked very good for the first few parts of the season.
00:19:32
You look at the L A Rams game and you brought this up a couple of weeks ago when we, you know, started Thio.
00:19:38
Look at the aftermath of love.
00:19:40
Those weeks games and the Bills did show some.
00:19:43
You know, some cracks in the foundation in that game came back rallied, obviously, and they were able Thio overtake and able.
00:19:57
Did Tennessee follow a little bit? Of what? Los Angeles against them? Maybe a little.
00:20:01
But ultimately, I think you want to give a lot of good to Tennessee last night for playing a phenomenal game, regardless of what you think of them leading into this or what, All the co vid, you know, mess, you know, happened and all of that.
00:20:12
They obviously weathered through that, and they showed up to play last night without any question.
00:20:16
In my opinion, the Bills did not show up to play last night.
00:20:19
They were not just beaten.
00:20:21
They did a fairly good job of beating themselves against an opponent that really didn't need their help to do it.
00:20:27
Look, I I think if it wasn't for the NFC East, I think the A F C South is probably the worst division in football.
00:20:35
Aside from the Titans, I think the Titans are really good.
00:20:39
So So the Titans air in good shape.
00:20:41
I think we're I mean, here's the thing.
00:20:43
The Colts defense.
00:20:44
I think it's showing a lot.
00:20:46
They're really good.
00:20:47
I think we're We're We're seeing exactly what Philip Rivers is.
00:20:51
He's a guy who is about a 50 5500 touchdown to interception guy Right now, I think he's five and six.
00:20:58
So and I think he's the He's the We're starting quarterback in the division.
00:21:03
Yeah, I mean, there's no way it's Tannehill.
00:21:06
There's no way it's Watson and I mean Minshew.
00:21:08
He's struggled, but I think he's playing more consistent.
00:21:10
Better than Rivers is.
00:21:11
I think there's more upside with Menchu, too, and that's more to say just because you know Phillips age and and and this is the thing.
00:21:18
And Mike and I have always been accused of bringing this back to Tom Brady.
00:21:22
But when When you when you compare these older quarterbacks to Tom Brady, I mean way talk about Philip Rivers being old Aaron Rodgers being old there, what, 36 37 years old? Well, Tom, six years older than that, Um so obviously this is what should normally happen or what has normally happened.
00:21:41
I think we saw this last year with Philip Rivers.
00:21:44
I I mean, we all know you know what? You know.
00:21:47
He's had a really nice career.
00:21:49
Obviously, I don't think he's, you know, I've heard some people say, Is that Hall of Fame? No, he's not a Hall of Fame quarterback. I'm sorry.
00:21:56
They were talking one of the cold schemes.
00:21:58
They were talking first ballot Hall of Fame.
00:21:59
God, no, I just I was I actually turned the TV off.
00:22:02
Was I Can't No.
00:22:03
Yeah.
00:22:04
I don't remember what game was.
00:22:05
It was It wasn't the Jets game, but it was whatever it was a closer contest the next week.
00:22:09
And I have to go.
00:22:11
Yeah, that that's absurd.
00:22:14
That's that. I look fine. Career.
00:22:16
Don't get me wrong.
00:22:18
Not not even close to a Hall of Famer.
00:22:20
I don't even care if you went to Super Bowl this year.
00:22:23
It z you know, it might change things a little bit, but that's how far your nominees Yeah, that's what I've been saying for all those guys.
00:22:32
Rivers, Romo, Eli, senior nominee.
00:22:34
Yeah, well, yeah, they strike me.
00:22:36
Is that when you look back in this era, they made their mark, but modern day nominees.
00:22:41
I don't see it, but I'm also not in that room.
00:22:43
The one thing I will say that I think we learned off these last two weekends.
00:22:46
But this weekend, especially the line between the top teams and the we can make the playoffs sort of in the mix teams is not that far.
00:22:55
I mean, the Raiders beat the Chiefs.
00:22:56
Yes, division opponents.
00:22:57
But, um, you know, before the season, everyone has said all we had Chiefs Ravens winning the A, F C and O Saints Uh, states, 40 Niners NFC that, like it was almost solidified it them.
00:23:08
I think there's a lot more Super Bowl contenders right now than was originally anticipated.
00:23:13
You know where you're at least a half dozen teams, I think now, maybe, or maybe closer to a dozen teams, really, that all have legit chances.
00:23:21
Well, let's let's let's Well, let's do this in the A F.
00:23:25
C.
00:23:26
Obviously, I think we, you know, give credit where credit's due.
00:23:29
Defending champs, I think we can all say are defending.
00:23:31
Uh, you know, obviously Super Bowl contenders, although again I will say this that on.
00:23:37
I mentioned that yesterday, and I will never miss an opportunity.
00:23:40
Thio pat myself on the back, but I find that MAWR and more people are starting to maybe not go to the extremes that I have gone to when it comes Thio looking at Patrick Mahomes and what he's capable of.
00:23:56
But there are Mawr and Mawr, people that are starting to kind of ease up off the gas pedal when it comes to looking at how he plays.
00:24:04
Because now we're looking at several games where he's been okay.
00:24:07
I mean, I know the numbers look good, but you know anyone who can tell me he didn't throw an interception in that game that against the Patriots is alive mean that that was an interception.
00:24:18
The refs, you know, inexplicably called him in the grass.
00:24:22
I mean, he's gotten away, and I'm not a person who is going to sit here and be like, Oh, well, no, he has six on his record, even though I didn't know, he's gotten fortunate to have not had a lot of his bad throws get intercepted and look, we can sit there and ignored and say, Oh, he's infallible he's never gonna throw a pick, or we can sit there and be like, OK, there's certain things about his game that are starting to get caught up Thio uh, Jeff Schwartz, and I'll give him credit because he was kind of on fire on Twitter.
00:24:59
It wasn't when when when you have been pocket protection, a quarterback supposed to step up to to utilize that space but instead scrambles that puts the offensive line at a severe disadvantage.
00:25:12
He pointed out several instances where the the pressure and the breakdowns in the offensive line, where Farm or attributed to the quarterback play than the actual offensive line place.
00:25:23
So I say this this to say, Look, Patrick Mahomes is a really good young quarterback.
00:25:29
He may end up being the best of the young crop, but, um, I don't think he's the best in the league.
00:25:35
I don't think he's in the M V P race and and and again, I think there are.
00:25:39
They're not this unstoppable team.
00:25:41
So, like you said, when I look at the A F. C.
00:25:43
Yeah, I look a Kansas City.
00:25:44
I look at New England, all things considered with with a healthy roster.
00:25:49
Um, do you again? I will believe whole heartedly that.
00:25:56
And sorry Chiefs fans.
00:25:58
They weren't purposely Neutering the playbook against the Patriots that that game was far too close, Uh, for them to sit there and purposely not do things for the long term.
00:26:09
They just didn't play well.
00:26:11
And the Patriots place? I mean, I could see them holding back a couple of places.
00:26:14
Yeah, plays that they will not show until the Super.
00:26:17
Until they were talking about Yeah, they were talking about purposely not like slash playbook and happens.
00:26:23
You know, that's that's silly.
00:26:25
No, Um, but but yeah, So it's like I look at that.
00:26:29
I'm like, of course, yeah.
00:26:30
The Patriots could compete with the Chiefs, and if the Chiefs are the class class of the A F.
00:26:34
C, all of a sudden I'm looking at I'm looking at the Steelers.
00:26:36
I'm looking at the Chiefs.
00:26:38
I'm looking at the Ravens.
00:26:39
I'm looking at the Patriots.
00:26:40
I'm not sold on the Colts.
00:26:42
I like their defense, but like I said, I think they're gonna be limited in quarterback.
00:26:46
Play the Titans.
00:26:47
Obviously, uh, no one else would be long enough to name them Well, I mean, number two.
00:26:51
Well, I mean, I mean, they were.
00:26:53
They were Super Bowl last year.
00:26:55
They're undefeated.
00:26:56
Uh, they just took down what looked like another powerhouse.
00:26:59
We'll see.
00:27:00
Uh, you know, the Titans have e.
00:27:02
Do they? Yes.
00:27:04
They don't play the Chiefs this year, do they? Not division winners? No, they know they play the Packers late.
00:27:09
That will be a test for both teams. I think.
00:27:11
Well, that that's that's what I'm saying.
00:27:12
Like that z five teams right there from the A F C.
00:27:16
That I think legitimately have a shot I don't like.
00:27:19
I said, I'll reserve judgment on the bills because again, I there's far too much evidence for for this not being legitimate, then it is actually being legitimate.
00:27:28
But like I said, let's talk in three or four weeks after they go through the Scotland of a schedule coming up on def.
00:27:33
They're still, you know, standing tall.
00:27:35
Then all of a sudden, you like Okay, No, the bills are definitely for real.
00:27:38
So that's five teams in the A F.
00:27:40
C uh, A F C West.
00:27:43
Like you could you could argue they're playing well.
00:27:47
The Browns, like you know, well, contender, but least contender to make the playoffs.
00:27:51
I mean, I think that they fall into the same category.
00:27:53
Yes, right Bills about a bit more success recently.
00:27:56
It's like, Yeah, what point do you finally believe that they're over that? But like the way they're playing now, defense is pretty solid.
00:28:03
Three.
00:28:04
Offensive line has really improved, you know, Um, it's funny because I look at how the Titans like losing Jack Conklin, but the offensive line is actually playing much better this year than it did last year.
00:28:14
They were close to the bottom of league and Sacra, and I think a lot of it has to do with the early going with Mariota.
00:28:19
But now their top five right now in adjusted sack rate and to your credit about the Chiefs offensive line.
00:28:24
Their second, but only the Packers.
00:28:26
Yeah, but the Browns are first in football outsiders Adjusted line yards metric for run, blocking 5.
00:28:33
8 right ahead of the Vikings, right, like, and these air to offensive line and the Cowboys were third.
00:28:39
Packers forth like Browns are in some elite company offensive line wise, and if you if you can win in the trenches.
00:28:44
That gives them a good chance.
00:28:46
I think so.
00:28:48
Hesitant on the Browns e would say Browns and bills in the same category like I think they make the playoffs.
00:28:56
Are they legitimate Super Bowl contenders? I don't know.
00:29:00
Their long history of losing tells me, you know, you know, tells me that they're probably not, but I'm not going to sit there and judge what they're doing now based on history.
00:29:12
I just I got to see a little bit more now before I ignore completely who they've been for the last forever.
00:29:19
I mean, literally.
00:29:20
The Browns have not been foreign one since Bill Belichick was their head coach.
00:29:24
Like that again that we're not talking about 10 years.
00:29:27
We're talking about an entire generation of football.
00:29:30
There's there.
00:29:31
There's kids that weren't alive for 10 years that have been watching, You know what I mean? That don't know of Bill Belichick as the head coach.
00:29:37
So, Mike, did we miss any FC team or am I blanking on one here? I think we hit seven e.
00:29:44
I think you guys dude had seven.
00:29:46
You hit all the major contenders and look, I mean, I think, especially this year.
00:30:02
E think you're going to see the teams that you mentioned, But other than that, I think that there is a little bit of up and down this year because of all of the extenuating cir***stances.
00:30:09
And the fact of the matter is, we've seen some teams have Cove in 19 scares.
00:30:14
Obviously, the Tennessee Titans, the the New England Patriots have had theirs, But we're not completely out of the woods When it comes to that.
00:30:21
These things can still pop up if teams don't follow protocols.
00:30:24
I know the NFL is trying to revise them on the fly, make a little bit better progress.
00:30:28
They actually did make a pretty good one this week by mandating protocol testing on game day, which I think is going to be a big help for this team moving forward or this these teams moving forward.
00:30:40
But yeah, I think there's there's a lot that could possibly happen, but in the A f. C.
00:30:45
I think right now it was starting to get a little bit of a clear picture as to who is going to emerge and who may be on the outside looking in do we think? Do we think the Raiders could cause any trouble for the Chiefs at all? Like down the road? Maybe not winning the division.
00:31:00
But, you know, they seem to be a kind of ah, pesky bunch.
00:31:04
And they Yeah, yeah.
00:31:07
I mean, look, I think we all won first round by they, you know, they couldn't pack that.
00:31:12
They don't get that first seed, maybe.
00:31:14
Well, because I think we all and that at the Raiders as a team that were that was limited by their quarterback.
00:31:22
And look, give credit where credit's due is he's playing some pretty good football right now.
00:31:27
So maybe the best she's looked since his MVPs.
00:31:32
God, I love that.
00:31:33
You know, coincidentally again, that that was a pretty yeah, Well, kids like I love how they're like Oh, yeah, no, he would have won it at, you know, it's like the Carson Wentz 17 2001.
00:31:44
It's like, Oh, yeah, no, He was gonna win it.
00:31:46
Yeah, he he led Todd Brady.
00:31:48
That one was more believable because they were a number one seed.
00:31:51
Like his team was having success with him playing that and as much as the Raiders made the playoffs like like as the best.
00:31:56
Like I think the went from had more credit and person, I think, is a better quarterback.
00:32:00
Yeah, well.
00:32:01
And at the same thing at the at the at the time of the injury to the Patriots had just matched their record because I believe Philly was undefeated, right? And then they finally lost and then the Patriots, because that was that's how silly I thought the argument was at the time, because I'm like, Okay, yeah, So Carson Wentz leads Tom Brady by like 200 yards passing.
00:32:20
But Brady had a better passer rating. More touchdowns.
00:32:23
But, I mean, it was just like one, too.
00:32:25
Yeah, I was just like, Come on, guys, let's stop with this.
00:32:27
Oh, he would have won M v P because he was playing good through 11 weeks.
00:32:31
What? No, Come on, let's Let's relax.
00:32:33
Let's let's calm down, Carson Wentz.
00:32:34
So I mean real quick.
00:32:37
I mean, you look at, like, the bottom three of every single quarterback metric, and he is just boom, boom.
00:32:44
I mean, consistent as I mean, that's the only consistent thing about his game is that he has just been bad.
00:32:50
Andi, we've mentioned this a couple times on this show.
00:32:55
A lot of it has to do it.
00:32:56
I mean, his footwork is terrible.
00:32:58
His just body, just everything about it.
00:33:01
It's just not well, this isn't just a bad luck.
00:33:04
This is like Okay, we're watching him try to throw a football on your E.
00:33:07
I mean, if you're a throwing coach, you're sitting there just like Oh, God, I mean, what what do we do here? Mechanics are just absolutely just bunker.
00:33:14
So I mean, which is sad because you sometimes see him where he does get those good mechanics that makes really good throws.
00:33:20
It's really just the consistency.
00:33:21
So you know he's capable.
00:33:22
It just has toe put it together, snap to snap.
00:33:25
I also think this year he's relied so much on tight end production that passes over the middle, and Ertz is clearly not looking like the same Asi has been.
00:33:35
I don't know if he's been affected by injury and just playing through it.
00:33:38
Obviously, Dallas Goddard's missed time and he looked pretty good at the start of the year s o.
00:33:42
I think you know the lack of receiving records.
00:33:45
It's always been a thing.
00:33:46
It seems like there.
00:33:47
But at least the tight end position was one where he could rely on.
00:33:49
And now even, you know, a zgray tas Miles Sanders is playing.
00:33:53
Just do the Eagles kind of waste that I know they've got a great opportunity here With Jack out, I don't know e.
00:33:59
You talked about the that Prescott yesterday? Just that Yeah, we mentioned it.
00:34:03
Ah, briefly, we actually, if folks out there if you haven't tuned into the eye test for two, it's with Clark Judge and Ira Kaufman.
00:34:11
They had Brian Young on 40 Niners legend.
00:34:14
He's a Pro Football Hall of Fame candidate.
00:34:16
Um suffered a very similar devastating injury where we he had to deal with compound fractures and everything like that.
00:34:23
So if you haven't already, definitely check that out. It's on Apple.
00:34:27
Obviously, the full press coverage app.
00:34:29
Uh, check it out.
00:34:30
Listen, his great conversation, but no.
00:34:32
So we didn't really get to mention too much about dac Um, just that I mean, it's again.
00:34:39
This is just it's unfortunate that at the at the forefront of all this is the franchise tag, because I think We all think that deserved a long term deal.
00:34:49
We don't know that. We don't know why.
00:35:03
I mean, it's, I think, the priority, the priority this offseason were just completely wrong.
00:35:07
They tagged their quarterback.
00:35:09
They signed the wide receiver and they let their franchise quarterback.
00:35:13
Oh, I think I Cooper was.
00:35:15
They gave Cooper the extent he was the one they should have let walk.
00:35:18
They should obviously given back the extension and tag Byron Jones to keep him, because we're seeing how you know how bad this defense has been for them.
00:35:24
So I think it's just totally mishandled.
00:35:27
A little bit of bad luck for the Cowboys.
00:35:29
Not bad luck, necessarily.
00:35:31
Just that's the way the sport is done.
00:35:33
If it was done like the NHL and basketball, you do the draft, then free agency.
00:35:37
They probably don't do that because they don't think they knew they were getting CD Lamb.
00:35:41
Yeah, I think if they knew they were gonna get CD Lamb, they would have been fine letting tomorrow Cooper walk.
00:35:44
So a little bit of just I'll give give the Cowboys credit.
00:35:48
They're just they wouldn't have known right and it was tough to know that in advance.
00:35:51
But I still felt, at the very least, between Cooper and Jones.
00:35:55
I thought it was more prudent to keep Jones.
00:35:57
But certainly you have to feel like you had Thio sign your quarterback long term.
00:36:01
I mean, the Titans did. And look, they're undefeated.
00:36:03
Uh, it even And, you know, I don't think by any stretch anyone would have said, Ryan Tannehill is better than Dak Prescott.
00:36:10
So I agree it was mishandled by Dallas.
00:36:13
And, uh, it's talking about decision making if you let me full press fantasy pod.
00:36:18
Right, But the shirt zing.
00:36:21
Um, so accepted this trade this morning, uh, originally offered Dak and a third to get Josh Allen and, you know, counted back to me with I give up Doc.
00:36:32
And 2021 2nd, this is a dynasty league super flex on.
00:36:37
I get 1/4 back.
00:36:38
I have done it without the fourth.
00:36:40
Honestly, I was I was probably willing I'm willing to give back in a second to move up to get Josh Allen or to get Kyler Murray Watson.
00:36:46
I know that this the team I'm trading with their one and four they look like they're solid team, but it seems like they just can't put string winds together.
00:36:53
So ac***ulate draft picks.
00:36:55
Get a good quarterback for next season and I'm at the top of the standings.
00:36:59
Four and one, I think four points behind the person with the most total points.
00:37:03
Defending champs.
00:37:04
So, like this is a team that is built to win.
00:37:06
Losing Jack would have been really detrimental that in a super flex league where you have, you know, you can start to quarterbacks.
00:37:13
That's such a losing him.
00:37:14
He's up in that upper tier two proud, you know, Obviously not top.
00:37:18
But if I mean and I this is a you know, I got him late in the start of last year relative.
00:37:23
But if you know, if we did the startup this year, he probably would have been a first very least second round pick.
00:37:27
You know, he's in Yeah, way going this year.
00:37:32
So you know, Josh Allen has been producing a little bit of a struggle against the Titans.
00:37:36
But if you know, because my team is contending because I anticipate that second round pick is gonna be, you know 11091 10 at the very worst.
00:37:46
I would hope or 2092 to 10.
00:37:48
So we're talking about the 22nd, 23rd rookie e.
00:37:53
I don't think that's going to be that big of a piece.
00:37:57
So trading that to get Josh Allan E could insert him in my line of get points this year A parent with Ryan Tannehill? Uh, I guess both teams were done there by weeks now, So I e you know, I don't have to work for my weeks anymore either.
00:38:10
E no, I know.
00:38:14
I know.
00:38:15
That's why grain assault of that.
00:38:16
But, you know, a two very least there's that where I just you know, Josh Allan, Ryan Tannehill.
00:38:21
Plug him in every week.
00:38:22
So I did that because this team is again built to win competitive.
00:38:25
If I'm a middling team with Jack, I kind of talked about this on the podcast unless likely to do this trade because I may want to actually have dak toe.
00:38:33
If I'm in the middle, I almost wanna maybe do worse.
00:38:36
I don't wanna trade for points.
00:38:38
I wanna kinda get a better draft slot for next year that No, I have docked in my back pocket.
00:38:42
Well, it's gonna be interesting to see how a lot of these leaks do handle that.
00:38:45
Because again, this is where the reality of football comes into Because like, yeah, I mean, we all obviously hope and think that he's going to recover.
00:38:53
I mean, he's a young young kids, so, like that he's got a lot of career left in him.
00:38:58
Um, but there's no cer*****y with with whether or not he's gonna be ableto come back and play on whether he's gonna be able to come back and play at a higher level and again, way did mention yesterday just the sometimes the symmetry of sports.
00:39:16
And it's not necessarily always positive, positive one.
00:39:22
You know that the Patriots winning a Super Bowl against the Rams and ending with the Super Bowl.
00:39:26
Their symmetry in sports.
00:39:28
Um, you're you're You're saying the Patriots dynasty is done? It's done.
00:39:32
No, no, no, no, no.
00:39:34
That Tom Brady era.
00:39:35
Okay, which which, which, which we can now put a a final final stamp on.
00:39:40
But, uh, you know, obviously bad news with Jack, you know, great story.
00:39:45
And Alex Smith getting back on the field on Sunday for the first time after his devastating injury, which, like I said yesterday, I going to complain first.
00:39:58
No, they're the bulbs for terrible injuries.
00:40:00
Alex Smith's were was clearly worse.
00:40:03
I mean, just given all the situation, you know, all the issues that happen, Does it seem like Dax life was at risk? No, exactly.
00:40:11
So I'm not trying toe when I say that I'm not trying to downplay what happened, Dak.
00:40:15
I'm just, you know, putting in perspective.
00:40:17
You know, you have to deal with injuries like that, and it's just it's unfortunate, I think no.
00:40:21
One, you know, you may hate the Cowboys, and a lot of people hate the Cowboys.
00:40:24
It's easy to hate the Cowboys, but it's hard to hate deck.
00:40:28
I mean, he really has never given you a reason to.
00:40:30
Very humble, obviously all the stuff he's gone through in his personal life, like how he's handled it.
00:40:36
So, you know, obviously we hope that he comes back healthy and you know it continues.
00:40:42
Thio obviously do well and hopefully finally gets a contract.
00:40:46
But we'll see, you know, at least at least at the very least, he's got the franchise tag money, which is guaranteed and you know, But that's I don't want to sit here and say, Oh, well, that's more than any of us will make.
00:40:58
I mean, if it is, But you know, at the same time, you know he is, you know, deserving of a chance to to make more because and I think Green based defense is a little bit better.
00:41:23
So I think he's had Thio really put this game on his arm.
00:41:28
Now again, we'll see how it all shakes out.
00:41:29
Thes thes things tend to.
00:41:39
It felt like they were just forcing one yard touchdown, things like that.
00:41:49
But I do think Russell Wilson is the M V P right now.
00:41:51
And I think Aaron Rodgers is, uh, relatively close second, and I think the gap from them to the number three whoever that is is significant right now.
00:42:00
So, um, I guess, depends if the Bills Russell Wilson is at the very least, guaranteed to finally get an M v p vote for somebody.
00:42:14
It won't go to Bobby Wagner, the Booth VP.
00:42:18
But yeah, I I think they have to give it to us this year.
00:42:21
He's deserving.
00:42:22
So more than anyone, Um Yeah, e don't like to hear it, but I think he's the second best quarterback in the league.
00:42:30
Uh, maybe Rodgers kind of making it seem like that that top three is closing e think transition to the game of Rodgers versus Brady, right? Yeah.
00:42:39
That'll actually really telling to why I Yeah, we will get there for a moment.
00:42:43
But again, I I will once again say that I whole hearted wholeheartedly I disagree with you about.
00:42:49
And I think the last several weeks have been evidence enough Thio because at this point, you know, we've seen Mawr of pretty good Patrick Mahomes in his career, then astonishing Patrick Mahomes.
00:43:06
So and I've said this so many times that I think a lot of people are still.
00:43:10
And there's very, uh, poignant examples of this that people are still living in 2018 where everything came together nicely and he had a magical season. I mean, people talk.
00:43:21
Oh, you know, that's a Patrick Mahomes special.
00:43:23
There's no look passes.
00:43:24
Well, guess what.
00:43:25
Show me a highlight of the no look pass, but okay.
00:43:28
2018.
00:43:29
All right.
00:43:30
That's the only one you can find because that's the last and only time that it really happened.
00:43:33
Um, okay, Great.
00:43:35
Awesome.
00:43:36
He's having Ah, pretty good season.
00:43:38
I'm not going to say he's not.
00:43:39
But like I brought this point up to you, Kyle, one time on the show when we're talking about the hierarchy and it's like, Okay, great.
00:43:46
Last season, where was Patrick Holmes? He was right in the mix with all the other really good quarterbacks in the league.
00:43:51
He didn't separate himself.
00:43:52
He didn't do anything.
00:43:53
That was, you know, Major Jaw dropped despite you know how he's covered on television.
00:43:59
And that's kind of continued into this year.
00:44:02
He's been pretty good, and I think a lot of these teams, they're starting.
00:44:06
Like I said, I mean, we saw it with the Patriots.
00:44:08
We saw it against the Chargers.
00:44:10
We saw it against the Raiders.
00:44:12
I mean, that's three of the last four games where you know exactly what to do to him, like let him if you want.
00:44:18
If he wants to run around and create uh, situations for himself that difficult, don't panic.
00:44:24
Don't get all out of sorts and start running after him and leaving Tyree kill wide open all of a sudden now teams were like, All right, go ahead, limit.
00:44:32
Have to feel for yourself.
00:44:33
You know, make the game harder for your offensive lineman and we'll let it come to you.
00:44:38
Every so often you're gonna get little Scramble.
00:44:40
You're gonna get some yards here and there.
00:44:42
But you're finding Mawr and MAWR.
00:44:44
Teams are focusing more on the players on the outside, not letting them get open.
00:44:49
Because again, I don't I don't see it.
00:44:59
It is great when players wide open.
00:45:02
Let's see if he could do what Aaron Rodgers does.
00:45:04
Let's see if he could do what Tom Brady does.
00:45:06
Let's see if he can Dio.
00:45:07
We'll stick to those two guys because again, we're talking about the best of the best of the best.
00:45:12
Russell Wilson.
00:45:13
I'm sorry, I I gotta throw him in here because again, he's He's been, uh, in credit much better.
00:45:19
I think he's a farm or polished quarterback than Patrick problems, and I'm not saying that he can't get to that point.
00:45:25
But, you know, again, this is why we can't sit here and and, you know, go crazy after you know, just such a short period of time and again, you know, dismiss what other players have done because, you know, I I just I look at him as a guy not, as you know, is a good player, but just a guy amongst the other really good quarterbacks.
00:45:44
And, yeah, so that's my rant and rant.
00:45:48
I mean, yeah, to me, he was He's never been a tier above any of those guys.
00:45:52
Like like even entering this year, even after winning the Super Bowl.
00:45:55
The top four, we're all in the same tear e think you mentioned all for? We know who they are.
00:46:00
Um, and I think it's a pretty far gap from them to everyone else.
00:46:04
Yeah, Lamar Jackson was great last year.
00:46:07
Yeah, Drew Brees has been really good at times e I put I put the one caveat kind of in limbo right now, and this will be a good transition into what we wanna kind of finish the show off with.
00:46:20
And that's Tom Brady, because I've seen really cold.
00:46:24
He's in that top four, like I'm saying, like, Okay, all right.
00:46:27
I mean that Zip top 40 year in attach.
00:46:30
Alright.
00:46:31
Just making sure I thought I thought maybe But anyway, it's like because, like, I'm looking at him as being a wild card, I I said before the season he could potentially be an M V P candidate.
00:46:41
Right now, I think the gap is too far for him to catch up.
00:46:44
You know, assuming of Russell, Wilson and and Rodgers play relatively the same the rest of the way, I think that's pretty safe to say that that could happen.
00:46:53
So I don't know if he could necessarily catch up to him, But you're starting to see that the Bucks and this is what we're gonna we'll get into, because this is a big game coming up this Sunday.
00:47:04
I think the Bucks are might be one of the scariest teams because there's issues that plagued them like discipline.
00:47:10
Uh, it can't be fixed overnight, But if you do fix it, that's gonna be a huge difference on you know, some of these games, particularly the one from last week.
00:47:24
Um, but we're starting to see that Tom still Tom, Um, yeah, he can throw the ball.
00:47:32
He can throw it far.
00:47:33
He could throw it.
00:47:34
Uh, tight spiral.
00:47:35
He could throw it short.
00:47:36
He could throw it wherever he needs to throw it.
00:47:38
Unless it's on the outside Tash, which we don't want to see anymore.
00:47:41
Just let's let's stop that two pick sixes this year.
00:47:44
Let's let's there's no one out there that can do that.
00:47:47
Um, he goes into Green Bay and I think this is gonna be an exciting match up because I think it's a obviously the billing is Brady versus Rodgers, but it's more than that.
00:47:58
The Bucks are coming off a terribly undisciplined game that that really it costs them a lot of points.
00:48:03
A lot of yards.
00:48:04
Um, they've had some moments on defense where they've looked really good and then others where they haven't.
00:48:10
Obviously going up against Aaron Rodgers is gonna be a big test.
00:48:13
And then, of course, I mean, you got to high scoring offenses.
00:48:17
I mean, these, these two teams could really swing it.
00:48:19
And you're gonna tell me that two guys combined at age of 70.
00:48:24
What, 9 79 years old.
00:48:26
They're gonna go out there and put up.
00:48:27
You know, he's Rogers of 36 right Thursday, 37.
00:48:32
Uh, he might be turning 37 during the season.
00:48:36
I thought 36 though, So eso I mean to old guys slinging.
00:48:42
I think we're going to get in for a pretty, pretty fun, pretty fun game.
00:48:47
So, Mike, pulse check.
00:48:50
How you doing, buddy? What are your thoughts on this game? How do you see this shaken up? I am still alive beyond belief.
00:48:57
And know that Z good stuff.
00:48:59
Look, I think you know E said you remember that show beyond belief factor fiction with what's his face from Star Trek? I mean it za meme Now, uh, you're like they play that video where it's, uh he says over and over again, I'm blanking on his name right now.
00:49:17
You gotta help me here. Like I know you know it.
00:49:19
I actually don't let anymore.
00:49:21
No, no, no, Not anymore.
00:49:23
Uh, you said sorry. Yeah.
00:49:26
Whatever.
00:49:27
Whatever.
00:49:28
That's Zulu.
00:49:29
No, no, I'll find it.
00:49:31
I'll find it you, Mike, You say your piece.
00:49:33
I'll look it up.
00:49:34
I'll go to my sources.
00:49:37
No, I mean, look, you know, you're you're looking, especially if you're talking to him.
00:49:41
The band Green Day this week.
00:49:42
You know, the Battle of the bays.
00:49:43
You know, I think in a lot of ways.
00:49:45
This is going to be a very good litmus test for both teams.
00:49:49
Uh, Tampa Bay's defense has looked a lot better than a lot of people have given it credit for this'll last game.
00:50:00
I don't think I think more of an anomaly with the end of, you know, that was being made out of it.
00:50:03
Like you said, Um, then really needs to be.
00:50:06
But this is a good statement game for both teams.
00:50:10
Whichever team does emerge here, I think is, is really looking to take the upper hand in the NFC right now.
00:50:15
Especially Lay.
00:50:16
The conference has shaken out.
00:50:18
Tampa Bay is definitely proven that even though you know their, you know their record might not be, is robust.
00:50:24
Is Green Bay's right now? I think they're still proving that they could do it.
00:50:27
They've got the talent on both sides of the ball.
00:50:30
They can pull out a win here.
00:50:31
It's gonna be a big, big thing for Tampa Bay.
00:50:34
If Green Bay takes it, too.
00:50:36
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers and you know and Rogers is able to be victorious over Tom Brady Now, all of a sudden, you have to start looking at them is one of the best teams in the league.
00:50:44
If you're not already, I already am.
00:50:46
I already think there at that echelon.
00:50:48
But you know this this would be a big, big statement.
00:50:50
Came for them.
00:50:51
So yeah, this This is probably the one that everybody is going to be circling on their calendar this week. Support 25.
00:50:57
Start the only 4.
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25 start this week.
00:51:00
The the Jets and the Dolphins, I think.
00:51:03
Or four or five if I'm not mistaken.
00:51:04
So this is gonna have a lot of eyes on it.
00:51:07
So you can get 20 minutes of that game first, folks.
00:51:09
Exactly Your dinner before you have your you or Fitzpatrick just makes it over right away.
00:51:18
Okay? All you need to watch that 1st 20 minutes, you know? Okay, games over.
00:51:21
They got it, But well, uh, eso just wanted Thio.
00:51:26
Quickly get your way.
00:51:28
Almost.
00:51:29
See, the NFC is maybe less deep than a F C.
00:51:31
Like the Seahawks Packers at the very top.
00:51:34
I think the bucks or the third back in the division like and maybe it's over simplifying the three best quarterbacks.
00:51:39
Those, like those are the three in the elite tier.
00:51:42
Those are gonna be the contenders that no one else, but like the E the Seahawks defense.
00:51:48
But they do anything.
00:51:49
But, like the defense has been really impressive this year.
00:51:52
No, I I agree with you and that it's funny because we went into this season all assuming Wow, the NFC.
00:51:58
I mean, how how deep is the NFC? We're talking contender, contender, contender.
00:52:02
Obviously, the 40 Niners are what we thought they were gonna be.
00:52:06
I think Arizona's a nice team that I think might get into the playoffs.
00:52:10
I don't think they're Super Bowl contender the Seahawks again.
00:52:13
Russell Wilson is playing great, but I'm really concerned about that defense.
00:52:18
I mean, I have no doubt that a really good team could go in and put up some points.
00:52:21
And eventually Brussel Wilson is not gonna be able Thio score Mawr.
00:52:25
So s Oh, yeah, I think I think you're right.
00:52:28
I think it's very clear who the three top teams are not.
00:52:31
And I think it's not too surprising considering that, uh, you know, obviously Green Bay is is a veteran team led by veteran quarterback.
00:52:40
They have a young coach But I think given the cir***stances surrounding this off season, I think they're showing that they are a good team with good leaders because they able to put it, put it all together and have a really strong start to the season.
00:52:54
I think the Bucks are again their team that's obviously affected by not having the off season, But you can see the talent there.
00:53:02
You can see what's out there and again.
00:53:05
A lot of you know you give a lot of credit to Tom Brady because again tha guy comes through.
00:53:09
So it's like you kind of assume that he's going to start playing and look, I mean, he has he's, what, 12 touchdowns for interception? I mean, he's having a phenomenal start to a season despite some of the hurdles that you kind of expected.
00:53:22
So now all of a sudden you're looking at those three and you're like, OK, you know, that's that's I.
00:53:26
I don't see any other NFC team that really comes close and NFC East.
00:53:30
Forget about it, e.
00:53:33
If I had to name one, I might even say the Rams just because the Trust and Sean McVeigh and you can also then at the same time, Sean P. M.
00:53:41
But I still think there's a gap there.
00:53:42
I I think I really think the Saints are dealing with fool's gold here I I and and this is another thing that I'll pat myself on the back about.
00:53:52
I just I think Drew Brees has done.
00:53:53
I just don't I think I mean, how and this.
00:53:57
And we only have a couple minutes here, so we have to.
00:53:59
We'll have to make this quick.
00:54:01
How do you take your quarterback out in the most crucial point now? This may be a complete gaffe on Sean Payton Spark, but I don't care who you are.
00:54:09
You don't I don't care what sort of gim****y play your hair.
00:54:12
It did work the rushing touchdown work, but so but.
00:54:16
But if Drew Brees is the guy that everyone says he is, you don't take him off the field.
00:54:24
You live and you die with Drew Brees. I'm sorry.
00:54:27
That's just how I feel about it.
00:54:28
And and look, I mean, the guy clearly cannot push the ball consistently down the field, and we've had to sit here and listen.
00:54:35
You know, my I'm speaking for Mike and I listen to people say these things about Tom Brady for years and sit there and scratch your heads because it's like, Wait a minute, he's throwing the ball down the field and then I go on.
00:54:44
I watch you Drew Brees game and he's putting all his effort into getting the ball 15 yards down the field and this hasn't been just the season.
00:54:52
This has been something that we've talked about for years.
00:54:58
It's happening because this is This has been breezing credit to Sean Payton because he's he's worked the entire offense around him.
00:55:04
So it operates no problem, like they're playing to breathe strengths and that za make Sean Payton one of the smartest, if not the smartest, offensive line in the game.
00:55:11
Exactly, exactly.
00:55:13
So like, to me, this isn't a surprise to me.
00:55:16
I think what's surprising is, though I have I thought it was gonna be a little bit closer in the division, and I know I know the records are similar.
00:55:23
I think the Bucks, even with their discipline problems, are much better.
00:55:27
Team.
00:55:28
Are the pants actual threat to the box? They might be.
00:55:30
They might be, because again If this is what we see now, what happens when it starts getting cold and it gets later in the season and Drew Brees doesn't miss five games.
00:55:40
The rest? You know that for the Packers.
00:55:46
And I mean, the Packers beat the Saints.
00:55:47
It was a close game.
00:55:48
They had a hard time containing tomorrow.
00:55:50
But I think this is the toughest test they're gonna They've had so far this year.
00:55:55
And I also think these next two weeks is the toughest quarterback matchups for the Packers, and you couldn't be more opposite.
00:56:01
You've got Tom Brady is the like, greatest ever.
00:56:05
Then you got to Shawn Watson next weekend.
00:56:07
And if anyone and then, you know, talking about okay, the top of the main top four, if anyone enters into Number five without Bill O'Brien, and I want to see how this offense runs without it, it might be to Shawn Watson.
00:56:17
So that's gonna be really tricky for the Packers real quick, because I did want to mention hockey.
00:56:22
Is Alex Pietrangelo, the best free agent defenseman ever, like as far back as I remember, Scott Niedermayer was because of how that that turned Anaheim.
00:56:31
But like I know they got Tory crude, but how did ST Louis let him go? I just this this baffles me, You know? Good for Vegas.
00:56:40
Look, Krug is a nice fallback option where, you know, I think one to in terms of free agent defenseman, this offseason assed faras best defenseman, I I think I might have to a group, actually, no.
00:56:51
I am going to agree with you, Scott.
00:56:53
Scott Niedermayer was better than now its potential.
00:56:55
And and I'm not That's not an insult, Alex Potential.
00:56:58
I mean, Scott Niedermayer, which is a first ballot Hall of Famer greatest defenseman ever.
00:57:02
And he went to Anaheim, won them a cup and talented team.
00:57:05
And he got the consummate like they were saying he was the reason he was.
00:57:08
And no, I all that talent with Getzlaf, Perry, T Mussolini, Chris Pronger, Jagger and they give it to Niedermayer, not by accident.
00:57:16
He was a great player, but like legit, like, you know, we were talking about this with various a couple years ago, right? Like all the best free agent ever.
00:57:23
I think the translators right there.
00:57:24
I mean, I think a two best defenseman in the league dowdy and there if you want, but I get Nick Lidstrom vibes from Pietrangelo.
00:57:32
He's so smart with the puck, so smart without the park and contributes offensively.
00:57:35
No, I like what Vegas is doing.
00:57:37
They're identifying a guy that could be a new anchor for their team for the next seven years.
00:57:43
78 years, whatever it ends up being, so we'll have to.
00:57:46
We'll have to pick up this conversation again.
00:57:48
Maybe we'll do it tomorrow.
00:57:49
We'll we'll have a We'll have a little fun with that.
00:57:51
We will be back tomorrow, Mike.
00:57:54
One year on the air by my friend one year.
00:57:57
That's not no way.
00:58:01
Get into that.
00:58:02
I'm not going to mention that I'm entering my mid thirties and no longer early thirties.
00:58:08
We'll get into that a little bit as well.
00:58:10
But no, we we do have to say goodbye for now, and we will be back tomorrow at 9 a.m.
00:58:15
To celebrate our one year on the air.
00:58:17
So have a great day.
00:58:18
Snowman in the morning is coming up here in just a moment, so stay tuned and enjoy.
00:58:23
Have a great
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FPC Radio LIVE - 10/14 - Bills Lose to Titans; Le'Veon Bell Released; More NFL

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Yeah, yeah.
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Hey. Good morning, everyone. Welcome.
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FBC Radio Live. We're here.
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It's Wednesdays.
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Hump Day talked over the 14th.
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And if you're on, if you're watching on SportsCastr, you can see we got our long lost friend Kyle center on joining us here.
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It's been a while.
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Well, relative to how often he was on over the summer where he was basically chomping at the bit, begging us to come on every day.
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We feel like we haven't seen him in a while, so we're happy to have him here.
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And, of course, we got the man without an actual face.
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He's well, he does have a face, it just doesn't move.
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And he stands in that solitary stare the entire time he's awake, even when he's sleeping.
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So, Mike, how are you doing, my friend? E O Oh, you know what? I dropped.
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I dropped the ball there.
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E dropped the ball.
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That's okay.
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I still get I still give the people what they want in the LA la laws anyway.
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But no, I'm I'm doing pretty well.
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Yes, you're absolutely right.
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I do stand in that stare right now.
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I'm in that stare.
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I mean that that that locked frame of mind, Uh, become very good at ventriloquism, which is good.
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You can barely see my lips.
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Yeah, but also, you know what I think that's, uh I think that's a pretty win win situation for your regular Jeff Dunham, my friend.
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You know, I I was I started saying that name without remembering what his last name was, and I just kind of gambled that I was gonna remember by the time I got to it, and I did.
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You didn't look done.
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Uh huh.
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There you go.
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Hey, that's why we got Kyle here.
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He adds those nice little quips and witty, witty, just random joking something.
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Oh, and we lost.
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E would think you're actually funnier than just drift on him.
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I don't know if you're is talented, but the admiral a liberation is certainly, uh, always applicable.
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Well, I do Take that, Admiral.
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Uh, you know, designation very seriously, my friend.
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Thank you so much for the kind compliment.
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I really do appreciate that.
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Um, yeah, way.
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Get Kyle back over here and it gives people a break from our idiocy in.
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So, you know, we get we get tired when some no No, no.
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I think we got the wisdom.
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And council meter is a little bit.
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Let's all agree that normal.
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Normally, let's just all agree that we could talk about the Jets idiocy and be done with it.
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Okay, we're all idiots.
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But let's talk about the Jets idiocy.
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No, there's idiocy.
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And then there's Jets idiocy, folks.
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There's there's a really different kind of redundant that.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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No, It it takes it to a new level.
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Yeah, I like it.
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It's fun.
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And I was going to say being funnier than Jeff Dunham isn't necessarily a compliment, although I do agree that my co host is pretty funny.
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Um, on the mike, of course, but yeah, I'm not a cute Let's not confuse my my Jeff Dunham reference with me.
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Wait a minute.
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Wait a minute.
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What do you mean, funny? Funny? Funny, huh? Alright, Funny funny.
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My my money.
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How? What do I unusual I make you laugh.
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Well, I see it.
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It doesn't.
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It doesn't.
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It doesn't take long for Mike to to just go back to his roots.
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And, you know, again, this is this.
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That movie was my that movie was actually based on a cousin of mix that that was his cousin.
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Right? Right. Mike, you're all related.
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Correct? Which is a little DeVito.
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I do have a cousin.
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I do have cousins that were that do have the last name.
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DeVito.
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So you know what? Take that for what you will, folks.
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Although that wasn't the guy's real name in real life.
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Tommy DeVito character's name.
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But, uh, you know, who knows? You know, there's there's all different kinds of connections.
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But now, when you said funny, I I could not resist.
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Funny.
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Funny. Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
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Is a big boy. He knows what he said.
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Well, that's what I'm saying.
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Like, there's this trigger words, you know? You saying he just you could go off the rails, But I actually know DeVito to I don't know if he was a cousin, yours, but he, uh, played hockey.
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I got have a lot to talk about.
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We weren't Mike and I were on there because I had a feeling hockey was coming.
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Well, no.
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Well, I I had to mention I had to mention it briefly.
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What? I mean, I don't even know if we're gonna get toe hockey right now.
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I mean, okay, you know what? Actually, I'm going to try my hardest to squeeze it in there, because I do want to ask you a couple of things about you know, what's happened over the last, you know, week and a half or so, um, in the hockey world, at least, but yeah, Mike and I were not on the air on Monday, so we didn't get a chance to really dive into a lot of the Sunday action and were, you know, we'll touch on it, But there's so much that's happened just in the last couple of days.
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I mean, obviously, the big news last night leave Ian Bell, uh, finished all of his 17 game career with the New York Jets by getting released.
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The Jets? We talked.
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We talked about Jets idiocy Well, there on the plug for for quite a bit of cap or cap dead cat money.
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The Bills are no longer amongst the undefeated in the NFL, and we'll talk about how, actually know what? Let's start there because I kind of want to get you guys impression.
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I'm not going to on and whoever standing outside by a jet, Uh, one of the two of you.
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Please, please help me and close the window or something like that.
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I'm getting a lot of feedback.
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F y I I don't know if anyone else can hear it on on the other end, but someone's bikes getting a little, uh, a little noisy there.
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Just so you guys know Anyways, the bills and and Titans played for for what felt like the first time in two weeks.
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Um, I don't know if I'm gonna put too much stock into how bad the bills played.
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I'm still, you know, wondering where they're gonna be in the long run when it comes to the hierarchy.
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I mean, there's no, I mean, I heard people saying things like, Oh, well, we know who the bills I'm like.
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No, I don't I really don't.
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I mean, they've had a really good start to the season.
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They we know they're a good defensive team.
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That I do know Josh Allen is has played really well, but I'm not ready.
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Just dismissed his first couple seasons based off four really good games.
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And what we saw last night was Mawr, the Josh Allan that we've seen for a large portion of his career.
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Now, I'm not saying that, You know, the first four games were fluke.
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I think that the truth lies somewhere in between.
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And it might mean mawr towards the same old bills versus this new and improved version.
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So what do you guys think? What are your thoughts? What are your impressions on the bills and what happened last night? I mean, I've been saying it all off season.
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The Titans air one of the maybe five best defenses in the league, so I also wouldn't overreact to that.
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I don't see the Bills and Ravens is being that much different.
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And I feel like, you know, the Ravens had a big loss.
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Teoh, a Super Bowl contender in the Chiefs.
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And, you know, I think unequivocally the Titans are Super Bowl contender.
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I mean, they were in the A F C championship last year, and that's seeming like that.
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That wasn't a fluke.
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So, you know, to lose to those teams.
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Okay, Yeah, that's it clearly shows they have improvements to make if they want oh, seriously compete.
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But again, still early in the season.
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So there is time to make these adjustments.
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Um, I know Jesse Pearson has put his power rankings out.
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He has the Ravens at six Bills at seven, and I think that's kind of more in line, right? I mean, both teams made the playoffs last year.
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Neither team won a playoff game.
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Both lost a F C South teams, which is actually probably more of indictment on the Bills because Jackson's uh, yeah, I probably should have won.
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Right? Where the Ravens.
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I mean, on paper before the game, you said that should have one, but they were just dominated.
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I don't I don't even know what's worse.
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Losing the close one or losing either way.
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You know, no playoff win last year.
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So you know both teams.
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I think I expect both to still win their divisions.
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Not to count the Patriots out entirely.
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And not to say that the A F C North isn't incredibly difficult and even know even saying that now.
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I mean, that isn't so.
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I will.
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I'll say this before I let, like, jump in here.
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Um, I do think the one thing this did shine a light on is the fact that I do think people are very quick.
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Thio elevate the bills.
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And I think you know, this is an instance where I I do now.
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At this point in the season, despite the issues that the Patriots have had, obviously with covert testing and everything like that, I obviously I don't think that's a long term issue, like I fully expect them to come back.
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And, you know, we're talking about their two losses being a 35 30 loss to, you know, I think who we all believe is the presumptive oh, our leader in the M V P race and one of the best teams in league in the Seahawk.
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Patrick Mahomes? Yeah, we'll get to him in a minute.
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Um, yeah, he's having a great season.
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The greatest, you know, if your Patriots fan or someone who covers team, you're coming out of that game feeling pretty good about where you're at.
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Even that game against the Chiefs, with everything that they were facing, that was a lot closer than 26 to 10.
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I know the sore kind of they separated there at the end, but but the Patriots had their way with that team, and if it wasn't for just absolutely inept quarterback play.
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Then you know, you're talking about a very likely Patriots upset, you know? I mean, we're talking about a quarterback directly costing three teams several points and then, you know, different place here and there have obviously, um, you know, limited what they were able to do.
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So I'm not ready to sit there and say, Oh, well, the Bills, the bills still have to prove it to may.
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I think last night was kind of Ah, snap back to reality.
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You know, I'm not about to get into Eminem rap right now.
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I just I just don't have a Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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OK, Mike, settle down.
00:16:04
Yeah. Hey, what's up? Cool, kids.
00:16:06
Yeah, well, the Prospect e Well, the problem is, if I were, if I or anyone were to mention spaghetti like you did now, all of a sudden I'm going to go off on the Dave Chappelle skit, which you lose yourself.
00:16:19
Yeah, well, e guess that I always think of Dave Chappelle.
00:16:22
Now I think of the song and then I go Spaghetti, spaghetti.
00:16:25
You know his whole thing? I don't know it z funny.
00:16:28
We're not here to talk about TV shows from 15 years ago.
00:16:32
Uh, enough living in the past. All right.
00:16:35
Uh, but anyways, I'm not about about ready to to give buffalo that credibility right now, because right now, after last night, I'm not completely like jumping off shift.
00:16:46
But there was a lot of things I saw last night that made me think, Oh, boy, yeah, yeah, let's let's wait and see what the bills do Because let's think about their schedule over the next five weeks.
00:16:58
They have theme.
00:17:00
The Chiefs.
00:17:02
They have the Patriots.
00:17:03
They have the Seahawks, they have the Jets.
00:17:06
So, Andi, the 15 in there is another game that they could easily lose so they could easily go.
00:17:14
They could go one in four.
00:17:16
Yeah, so let's let's yeah, exactly.
00:17:19
So I'm sitting here thinking I'm sitting here thinking like, Oh, boy, you know, that's that's you go.
00:17:24
You lose for the next five.
00:17:25
All of a sudden, that's five out of six, and you're you're under 500 over midway through the season.
00:17:30
So, um, I think this was a bad loss.
00:17:34
I don't want to complete.
00:17:36
If this was a normal week, I would be far more concerned about the bills.
00:17:39
Um, because there is a chance this could just be a mole again.
00:17:43
But at the same time, the Titans looked phenomenal.
00:17:48
So you know what do we you know? How are we supposed to take it? Like I said, I'm gonna lean towards the Titans being what they were last year, and I'm gonna lean.
00:17:57
Probably more towards the Bills.
00:18:00
Being a good young team, probably not one of the best in a F. C.
00:18:04
And maybe Josh Allen isn't quite, uh m v p Candidate worthy yet.
00:18:11
Well, I think if you look at the tale of two cities when it comes to these two teams, the bills are a team that loves to be able to block.
00:18:18
They love to get off blocks.
00:18:19
I don't think they did either one particularly well last night, As a matter of fact, I'll go and I'll say, I don't think they did one well at all.
00:18:25
Either one of those they couldn't tackle, they couldn't catch.
00:18:28
They did not sack Ryan Tannehill um guaranteed they were missing some players.
00:18:33
I mean, there's no denying that Troy Davis White, Matt Milano, Levi Wallace, But I didn't see the Bills play with that type of killer instinct in that clutch play that they've been playing with for the past few weeks.
00:18:44
You flip over to the script and the Titans were just a short staff, so you can't really use.
00:18:48
The excuse of Buffalo is decimated.
00:18:51
Titans did not have Geoffrey Simmons.
00:18:53
They did not have Adoree Jackson.
00:18:54
Christian Fulton wasn't in the lineup.
00:18:56
Corey Davis, Adam Humphreys.
00:18:58
That's a lot of talent to be sitting on the sidelines, but the Tennessee Titans made it work.
00:19:02
They just absolutely dominated this game from Pillar to post, starting with Josh Allen throwing the ball away right, you know, through the fingertips into the hands of Malcolm Butler.
00:19:12
Gift interception there, Um, just uncharacteristic mistakes.
00:19:15
And I don't think they played with a sense of urgency or a sense of toughness last night that you're going to need to beat a team like the Tennessee Titans.
00:19:23
I'm still on your page in.
00:19:26
I'm not ready to write the Bills off just yet, just because they have looked very good for the first few parts of the season.
00:19:32
You look at the L A Rams game and you brought this up a couple of weeks ago when we, you know, started Thio.
00:19:38
Look at the aftermath of love.
00:19:40
Those weeks games and the Bills did show some.
00:19:43
You know, some cracks in the foundation in that game came back rallied, obviously, and they were able Thio overtake and able.
00:19:57
Did Tennessee follow a little bit? Of what? Los Angeles against them? Maybe a little.
00:20:01
But ultimately, I think you want to give a lot of good to Tennessee last night for playing a phenomenal game, regardless of what you think of them leading into this or what, All the co vid, you know, mess, you know, happened and all of that.
00:20:12
They obviously weathered through that, and they showed up to play last night without any question.
00:20:16
In my opinion, the Bills did not show up to play last night.
00:20:19
They were not just beaten.
00:20:21
They did a fairly good job of beating themselves against an opponent that really didn't need their help to do it.
00:20:27
Look, I I think if it wasn't for the NFC East, I think the A F C South is probably the worst division in football.
00:20:35
Aside from the Titans, I think the Titans are really good.
00:20:39
So So the Titans air in good shape.
00:20:41
I think we're I mean, here's the thing.
00:20:43
The Colts defense.
00:20:44
I think it's showing a lot.
00:20:46
They're really good.
00:20:47
I think we're We're We're seeing exactly what Philip Rivers is.
00:20:51
He's a guy who is about a 50 5500 touchdown to interception guy Right now, I think he's five and six.
00:20:58
So and I think he's the He's the We're starting quarterback in the division.
00:21:03
Yeah, I mean, there's no way it's Tannehill.
00:21:06
There's no way it's Watson and I mean Minshew.
00:21:08
He's struggled, but I think he's playing more consistent.
00:21:10
Better than Rivers is.
00:21:11
I think there's more upside with Menchu, too, and that's more to say just because you know Phillips age and and and this is the thing.
00:21:18
And Mike and I have always been accused of bringing this back to Tom Brady.
00:21:22
But when When you when you compare these older quarterbacks to Tom Brady, I mean way talk about Philip Rivers being old Aaron Rodgers being old there, what, 36 37 years old? Well, Tom, six years older than that, Um so obviously this is what should normally happen or what has normally happened.
00:21:41
I think we saw this last year with Philip Rivers.
00:21:44
I I mean, we all know you know what? You know.
00:21:47
He's had a really nice career.
00:21:49
Obviously, I don't think he's, you know, I've heard some people say, Is that Hall of Fame? No, he's not a Hall of Fame quarterback. I'm sorry.
00:21:56
They were talking one of the cold schemes.
00:21:58
They were talking first ballot Hall of Fame.
00:21:59
God, no, I just I was I actually turned the TV off.
00:22:02
Was I Can't No.
00:22:03
Yeah.
00:22:04
I don't remember what game was.
00:22:05
It was It wasn't the Jets game, but it was whatever it was a closer contest the next week.
00:22:09
And I have to go.
00:22:11
Yeah, that that's absurd.
00:22:14
That's that. I look fine. Career.
00:22:16
Don't get me wrong.
00:22:18
Not not even close to a Hall of Famer.
00:22:20
I don't even care if you went to Super Bowl this year.
00:22:23
It z you know, it might change things a little bit, but that's how far your nominees Yeah, that's what I've been saying for all those guys.
00:22:32
Rivers, Romo, Eli, senior nominee.
00:22:34
Yeah, well, yeah, they strike me.
00:22:36
Is that when you look back in this era, they made their mark, but modern day nominees.
00:22:41
I don't see it, but I'm also not in that room.
00:22:43
The one thing I will say that I think we learned off these last two weekends.
00:22:46
But this weekend, especially the line between the top teams and the we can make the playoffs sort of in the mix teams is not that far.
00:22:55
I mean, the Raiders beat the Chiefs.
00:22:56
Yes, division opponents.
00:22:57
But, um, you know, before the season, everyone has said all we had Chiefs Ravens winning the A, F C and O Saints Uh, states, 40 Niners NFC that, like it was almost solidified it them.
00:23:08
I think there's a lot more Super Bowl contenders right now than was originally anticipated.
00:23:13
You know where you're at least a half dozen teams, I think now, maybe, or maybe closer to a dozen teams, really, that all have legit chances.
00:23:21
Well, let's let's let's Well, let's do this in the A F.
00:23:25
C.
00:23:26
Obviously, I think we, you know, give credit where credit's due.
00:23:29
Defending champs, I think we can all say are defending.
00:23:31
Uh, you know, obviously Super Bowl contenders, although again I will say this that on.
00:23:37
I mentioned that yesterday, and I will never miss an opportunity.
00:23:40
Thio pat myself on the back, but I find that MAWR and more people are starting to maybe not go to the extremes that I have gone to when it comes Thio looking at Patrick Mahomes and what he's capable of.
00:23:56
But there are Mawr and Mawr, people that are starting to kind of ease up off the gas pedal when it comes to looking at how he plays.
00:24:04
Because now we're looking at several games where he's been okay.
00:24:07
I mean, I know the numbers look good, but you know anyone who can tell me he didn't throw an interception in that game that against the Patriots is alive mean that that was an interception.
00:24:18
The refs, you know, inexplicably called him in the grass.
00:24:22
I mean, he's gotten away, and I'm not a person who is going to sit here and be like, Oh, well, no, he has six on his record, even though I didn't know, he's gotten fortunate to have not had a lot of his bad throws get intercepted and look, we can sit there and ignored and say, Oh, he's infallible he's never gonna throw a pick, or we can sit there and be like, OK, there's certain things about his game that are starting to get caught up Thio uh, Jeff Schwartz, and I'll give him credit because he was kind of on fire on Twitter.
00:24:59
It wasn't when when when you have been pocket protection, a quarterback supposed to step up to to utilize that space but instead scrambles that puts the offensive line at a severe disadvantage.
00:25:12
He pointed out several instances where the the pressure and the breakdowns in the offensive line, where Farm or attributed to the quarterback play than the actual offensive line place.
00:25:23
So I say this this to say, Look, Patrick Mahomes is a really good young quarterback.
00:25:29
He may end up being the best of the young crop, but, um, I don't think he's the best in the league.
00:25:35
I don't think he's in the M V P race and and and again, I think there are.
00:25:39
They're not this unstoppable team.
00:25:41
So, like you said, when I look at the A F. C.
00:25:43
Yeah, I look a Kansas City.
00:25:44
I look at New England, all things considered with with a healthy roster.
00:25:49
Um, do you again? I will believe whole heartedly that.
00:25:56
And sorry Chiefs fans.
00:25:58
They weren't purposely Neutering the playbook against the Patriots that that game was far too close, Uh, for them to sit there and purposely not do things for the long term.
00:26:09
They just didn't play well.
00:26:11
And the Patriots place? I mean, I could see them holding back a couple of places.
00:26:14
Yeah, plays that they will not show until the Super.
00:26:17
Until they were talking about Yeah, they were talking about purposely not like slash playbook and happens.
00:26:23
You know, that's that's silly.
00:26:25
No, Um, but but yeah, So it's like I look at that.
00:26:29
I'm like, of course, yeah.
00:26:30
The Patriots could compete with the Chiefs, and if the Chiefs are the class class of the A F.
00:26:34
C, all of a sudden I'm looking at I'm looking at the Steelers.
00:26:36
I'm looking at the Chiefs.
00:26:38
I'm looking at the Ravens.
00:26:39
I'm looking at the Patriots.
00:26:40
I'm not sold on the Colts.
00:26:42
I like their defense, but like I said, I think they're gonna be limited in quarterback.
00:26:46
Play the Titans.
00:26:47
Obviously, uh, no one else would be long enough to name them Well, I mean, number two.
00:26:51
Well, I mean, I mean, they were.
00:26:53
They were Super Bowl last year.
00:26:55
They're undefeated.
00:26:56
Uh, they just took down what looked like another powerhouse.
00:26:59
We'll see.
00:27:00
Uh, you know, the Titans have e.
00:27:02
Do they? Yes.
00:27:04
They don't play the Chiefs this year, do they? Not division winners? No, they know they play the Packers late.
00:27:09
That will be a test for both teams. I think.
00:27:11
Well, that that's that's what I'm saying.
00:27:12
Like that z five teams right there from the A F C.
00:27:16
That I think legitimately have a shot I don't like.
00:27:19
I said, I'll reserve judgment on the bills because again, I there's far too much evidence for for this not being legitimate, then it is actually being legitimate.
00:27:28
But like I said, let's talk in three or four weeks after they go through the Scotland of a schedule coming up on def.
00:27:33
They're still, you know, standing tall.
00:27:35
Then all of a sudden, you like Okay, No, the bills are definitely for real.
00:27:38
So that's five teams in the A F.
00:27:40
C uh, A F C West.
00:27:43
Like you could you could argue they're playing well.
00:27:47
The Browns, like you know, well, contender, but least contender to make the playoffs.
00:27:51
I mean, I think that they fall into the same category.
00:27:53
Yes, right Bills about a bit more success recently.
00:27:56
It's like, Yeah, what point do you finally believe that they're over that? But like the way they're playing now, defense is pretty solid.
00:28:03
Three.
00:28:04
Offensive line has really improved, you know, Um, it's funny because I look at how the Titans like losing Jack Conklin, but the offensive line is actually playing much better this year than it did last year.
00:28:14
They were close to the bottom of league and Sacra, and I think a lot of it has to do with the early going with Mariota.
00:28:19
But now their top five right now in adjusted sack rate and to your credit about the Chiefs offensive line.
00:28:24
Their second, but only the Packers.
00:28:26
Yeah, but the Browns are first in football outsiders Adjusted line yards metric for run, blocking 5.
00:28:33
8 right ahead of the Vikings, right, like, and these air to offensive line and the Cowboys were third.
00:28:39
Packers forth like Browns are in some elite company offensive line wise, and if you if you can win in the trenches.
00:28:44
That gives them a good chance.
00:28:46
I think so.
00:28:48
Hesitant on the Browns e would say Browns and bills in the same category like I think they make the playoffs.
00:28:56
Are they legitimate Super Bowl contenders? I don't know.
00:29:00
Their long history of losing tells me, you know, you know, tells me that they're probably not, but I'm not going to sit there and judge what they're doing now based on history.
00:29:12
I just I got to see a little bit more now before I ignore completely who they've been for the last forever.
00:29:19
I mean, literally.
00:29:20
The Browns have not been foreign one since Bill Belichick was their head coach.
00:29:24
Like that again that we're not talking about 10 years.
00:29:27
We're talking about an entire generation of football.
00:29:30
There's there.
00:29:31
There's kids that weren't alive for 10 years that have been watching, You know what I mean? That don't know of Bill Belichick as the head coach.
00:29:37
So, Mike, did we miss any FC team or am I blanking on one here? I think we hit seven e.
00:29:44
I think you guys dude had seven.
00:29:46
You hit all the major contenders and look, I mean, I think, especially this year.
00:30:02
E think you're going to see the teams that you mentioned, But other than that, I think that there is a little bit of up and down this year because of all of the extenuating cir***stances.
00:30:09
And the fact of the matter is, we've seen some teams have Cove in 19 scares.
00:30:14
Obviously, the Tennessee Titans, the the New England Patriots have had theirs, But we're not completely out of the woods When it comes to that.
00:30:21
These things can still pop up if teams don't follow protocols.
00:30:24
I know the NFL is trying to revise them on the fly, make a little bit better progress.
00:30:28
They actually did make a pretty good one this week by mandating protocol testing on game day, which I think is going to be a big help for this team moving forward or this these teams moving forward.
00:30:40
But yeah, I think there's there's a lot that could possibly happen, but in the A f. C.
00:30:45
I think right now it was starting to get a little bit of a clear picture as to who is going to emerge and who may be on the outside looking in do we think? Do we think the Raiders could cause any trouble for the Chiefs at all? Like down the road? Maybe not winning the division.
00:31:00
But, you know, they seem to be a kind of ah, pesky bunch.
00:31:04
And they Yeah, yeah.
00:31:07
I mean, look, I think we all won first round by they, you know, they couldn't pack that.
00:31:12
They don't get that first seed, maybe.
00:31:14
Well, because I think we all and that at the Raiders as a team that were that was limited by their quarterback.
00:31:22
And look, give credit where credit's due is he's playing some pretty good football right now.
00:31:27
So maybe the best she's looked since his MVPs.
00:31:32
God, I love that.
00:31:33
You know, coincidentally again, that that was a pretty yeah, Well, kids like I love how they're like Oh, yeah, no, he would have won it at, you know, it's like the Carson Wentz 17 2001.
00:31:44
It's like, Oh, yeah, no, He was gonna win it.
00:31:46
Yeah, he he led Todd Brady.
00:31:48
That one was more believable because they were a number one seed.
00:31:51
Like his team was having success with him playing that and as much as the Raiders made the playoffs like like as the best.
00:31:56
Like I think the went from had more credit and person, I think, is a better quarterback.
00:32:00
Yeah, well.
00:32:01
And at the same thing at the at the at the time of the injury to the Patriots had just matched their record because I believe Philly was undefeated, right? And then they finally lost and then the Patriots, because that was that's how silly I thought the argument was at the time, because I'm like, Okay, yeah, So Carson Wentz leads Tom Brady by like 200 yards passing.
00:32:20
But Brady had a better passer rating. More touchdowns.
00:32:23
But, I mean, it was just like one, too.
00:32:25
Yeah, I was just like, Come on, guys, let's stop with this.
00:32:27
Oh, he would have won M v P because he was playing good through 11 weeks.
00:32:31
What? No, Come on, let's Let's relax.
00:32:33
Let's let's calm down, Carson Wentz.
00:32:34
So I mean real quick.
00:32:37
I mean, you look at, like, the bottom three of every single quarterback metric, and he is just boom, boom.
00:32:44
I mean, consistent as I mean, that's the only consistent thing about his game is that he has just been bad.
00:32:50
Andi, we've mentioned this a couple times on this show.
00:32:55
A lot of it has to do it.
00:32:56
I mean, his footwork is terrible.
00:32:58
His just body, just everything about it.
00:33:01
It's just not well, this isn't just a bad luck.
00:33:04
This is like Okay, we're watching him try to throw a football on your E.
00:33:07
I mean, if you're a throwing coach, you're sitting there just like Oh, God, I mean, what what do we do here? Mechanics are just absolutely just bunker.
00:33:14
So I mean, which is sad because you sometimes see him where he does get those good mechanics that makes really good throws.
00:33:20
It's really just the consistency.
00:33:21
So you know he's capable.
00:33:22
It just has toe put it together, snap to snap.
00:33:25
I also think this year he's relied so much on tight end production that passes over the middle, and Ertz is clearly not looking like the same Asi has been.
00:33:35
I don't know if he's been affected by injury and just playing through it.
00:33:38
Obviously, Dallas Goddard's missed time and he looked pretty good at the start of the year s o.
00:33:42
I think you know the lack of receiving records.
00:33:45
It's always been a thing.
00:33:46
It seems like there.
00:33:47
But at least the tight end position was one where he could rely on.
00:33:49
And now even, you know, a zgray tas Miles Sanders is playing.
00:33:53
Just do the Eagles kind of waste that I know they've got a great opportunity here With Jack out, I don't know e.
00:33:59
You talked about the that Prescott yesterday? Just that Yeah, we mentioned it.
00:34:03
Ah, briefly, we actually, if folks out there if you haven't tuned into the eye test for two, it's with Clark Judge and Ira Kaufman.
00:34:11
They had Brian Young on 40 Niners legend.
00:34:14
He's a Pro Football Hall of Fame candidate.
00:34:16
Um suffered a very similar devastating injury where we he had to deal with compound fractures and everything like that.
00:34:23
So if you haven't already, definitely check that out. It's on Apple.
00:34:27
Obviously, the full press coverage app.
00:34:29
Uh, check it out.
00:34:30
Listen, his great conversation, but no.
00:34:32
So we didn't really get to mention too much about dac Um, just that I mean, it's again.
00:34:39
This is just it's unfortunate that at the at the forefront of all this is the franchise tag, because I think We all think that deserved a long term deal.
00:34:49
We don't know that. We don't know why.
00:35:03
I mean, it's, I think, the priority, the priority this offseason were just completely wrong.
00:35:07
They tagged their quarterback.
00:35:09
They signed the wide receiver and they let their franchise quarterback.
00:35:13
Oh, I think I Cooper was.
00:35:15
They gave Cooper the extent he was the one they should have let walk.
00:35:18
They should obviously given back the extension and tag Byron Jones to keep him, because we're seeing how you know how bad this defense has been for them.
00:35:24
So I think it's just totally mishandled.
00:35:27
A little bit of bad luck for the Cowboys.
00:35:29
Not bad luck, necessarily.
00:35:31
Just that's the way the sport is done.
00:35:33
If it was done like the NHL and basketball, you do the draft, then free agency.
00:35:37
They probably don't do that because they don't think they knew they were getting CD Lamb.
00:35:41
Yeah, I think if they knew they were gonna get CD Lamb, they would have been fine letting tomorrow Cooper walk.
00:35:44
So a little bit of just I'll give give the Cowboys credit.
00:35:48
They're just they wouldn't have known right and it was tough to know that in advance.
00:35:51
But I still felt, at the very least, between Cooper and Jones.
00:35:55
I thought it was more prudent to keep Jones.
00:35:57
But certainly you have to feel like you had Thio sign your quarterback long term.
00:36:01
I mean, the Titans did. And look, they're undefeated.
00:36:03
Uh, it even And, you know, I don't think by any stretch anyone would have said, Ryan Tannehill is better than Dak Prescott.
00:36:10
So I agree it was mishandled by Dallas.
00:36:13
And, uh, it's talking about decision making if you let me full press fantasy pod.
00:36:18
Right, But the shirt zing.
00:36:21
Um, so accepted this trade this morning, uh, originally offered Dak and a third to get Josh Allen and, you know, counted back to me with I give up Doc.
00:36:32
And 2021 2nd, this is a dynasty league super flex on.
00:36:37
I get 1/4 back.
00:36:38
I have done it without the fourth.
00:36:40
Honestly, I was I was probably willing I'm willing to give back in a second to move up to get Josh Allen or to get Kyler Murray Watson.
00:36:46
I know that this the team I'm trading with their one and four they look like they're solid team, but it seems like they just can't put string winds together.
00:36:53
So ac***ulate draft picks.
00:36:55
Get a good quarterback for next season and I'm at the top of the standings.
00:36:59
Four and one, I think four points behind the person with the most total points.
00:37:03
Defending champs.
00:37:04
So, like this is a team that is built to win.
00:37:06
Losing Jack would have been really detrimental that in a super flex league where you have, you know, you can start to quarterbacks.
00:37:13
That's such a losing him.
00:37:14
He's up in that upper tier two proud, you know, Obviously not top.
00:37:18
But if I mean and I this is a you know, I got him late in the start of last year relative.
00:37:23
But if you know, if we did the startup this year, he probably would have been a first very least second round pick.
00:37:27
You know, he's in Yeah, way going this year.
00:37:32
So you know, Josh Allen has been producing a little bit of a struggle against the Titans.
00:37:36
But if you know, because my team is contending because I anticipate that second round pick is gonna be, you know 11091 10 at the very worst.
00:37:46
I would hope or 2092 to 10.
00:37:48
So we're talking about the 22nd, 23rd rookie e.
00:37:53
I don't think that's going to be that big of a piece.
00:37:57
So trading that to get Josh Allan E could insert him in my line of get points this year A parent with Ryan Tannehill? Uh, I guess both teams were done there by weeks now, So I e you know, I don't have to work for my weeks anymore either.
00:38:10
E no, I know.
00:38:14
I know.
00:38:15
That's why grain assault of that.
00:38:16
But, you know, a two very least there's that where I just you know, Josh Allan, Ryan Tannehill.
00:38:21
Plug him in every week.
00:38:22
So I did that because this team is again built to win competitive.
00:38:25
If I'm a middling team with Jack, I kind of talked about this on the podcast unless likely to do this trade because I may want to actually have dak toe.
00:38:33
If I'm in the middle, I almost wanna maybe do worse.
00:38:36
I don't wanna trade for points.
00:38:38
I wanna kinda get a better draft slot for next year that No, I have docked in my back pocket.
00:38:42
Well, it's gonna be interesting to see how a lot of these leaks do handle that.
00:38:45
Because again, this is where the reality of football comes into Because like, yeah, I mean, we all obviously hope and think that he's going to recover.
00:38:53
I mean, he's a young young kids, so, like that he's got a lot of career left in him.
00:38:58
Um, but there's no cer*****y with with whether or not he's gonna be ableto come back and play on whether he's gonna be able to come back and play at a higher level and again, way did mention yesterday just the sometimes the symmetry of sports.
00:39:16
And it's not necessarily always positive, positive one.
00:39:22
You know that the Patriots winning a Super Bowl against the Rams and ending with the Super Bowl.
00:39:26
Their symmetry in sports.
00:39:28
Um, you're you're You're saying the Patriots dynasty is done? It's done.
00:39:32
No, no, no, no, no.
00:39:34
That Tom Brady era.
00:39:35
Okay, which which, which, which we can now put a a final final stamp on.
00:39:40
But, uh, you know, obviously bad news with Jack, you know, great story.
00:39:45
And Alex Smith getting back on the field on Sunday for the first time after his devastating injury, which, like I said yesterday, I going to complain first.
00:39:58
No, they're the bulbs for terrible injuries.
00:40:00
Alex Smith's were was clearly worse.
00:40:03
I mean, just given all the situation, you know, all the issues that happen, Does it seem like Dax life was at risk? No, exactly.
00:40:11
So I'm not trying toe when I say that I'm not trying to downplay what happened, Dak.
00:40:15
I'm just, you know, putting in perspective.
00:40:17
You know, you have to deal with injuries like that, and it's just it's unfortunate, I think no.
00:40:21
One, you know, you may hate the Cowboys, and a lot of people hate the Cowboys.
00:40:24
It's easy to hate the Cowboys, but it's hard to hate deck.
00:40:28
I mean, he really has never given you a reason to.
00:40:30
Very humble, obviously all the stuff he's gone through in his personal life, like how he's handled it.
00:40:36
So, you know, obviously we hope that he comes back healthy and you know it continues.
00:40:42
Thio obviously do well and hopefully finally gets a contract.
00:40:46
But we'll see, you know, at least at least at the very least, he's got the franchise tag money, which is guaranteed and you know, But that's I don't want to sit here and say, Oh, well, that's more than any of us will make.
00:40:58
I mean, if it is, But you know, at the same time, you know he is, you know, deserving of a chance to to make more because and I think Green based defense is a little bit better.
00:41:23
So I think he's had Thio really put this game on his arm.
00:41:28
Now again, we'll see how it all shakes out.
00:41:29
Thes thes things tend to.
00:41:39
It felt like they were just forcing one yard touchdown, things like that.
00:41:49
But I do think Russell Wilson is the M V P right now.
00:41:51
And I think Aaron Rodgers is, uh, relatively close second, and I think the gap from them to the number three whoever that is is significant right now.
00:42:00
So, um, I guess, depends if the Bills Russell Wilson is at the very least, guaranteed to finally get an M v p vote for somebody.
00:42:14
It won't go to Bobby Wagner, the Booth VP.
00:42:18
But yeah, I I think they have to give it to us this year.
00:42:21
He's deserving.
00:42:22
So more than anyone, Um Yeah, e don't like to hear it, but I think he's the second best quarterback in the league.
00:42:30
Uh, maybe Rodgers kind of making it seem like that that top three is closing e think transition to the game of Rodgers versus Brady, right? Yeah.
00:42:39
That'll actually really telling to why I Yeah, we will get there for a moment.
00:42:43
But again, I I will once again say that I whole hearted wholeheartedly I disagree with you about.
00:42:49
And I think the last several weeks have been evidence enough Thio because at this point, you know, we've seen Mawr of pretty good Patrick Mahomes in his career, then astonishing Patrick Mahomes.
00:43:06
So and I've said this so many times that I think a lot of people are still.
00:43:10
And there's very, uh, poignant examples of this that people are still living in 2018 where everything came together nicely and he had a magical season. I mean, people talk.
00:43:21
Oh, you know, that's a Patrick Mahomes special.
00:43:23
There's no look passes.
00:43:24
Well, guess what.
00:43:25
Show me a highlight of the no look pass, but okay.
00:43:28
2018.
00:43:29
All right.
00:43:30
That's the only one you can find because that's the last and only time that it really happened.
00:43:33
Um, okay, Great.
00:43:35
Awesome.
00:43:36
He's having Ah, pretty good season.
00:43:38
I'm not going to say he's not.
00:43:39
But like I brought this point up to you, Kyle, one time on the show when we're talking about the hierarchy and it's like, Okay, great.
00:43:46
Last season, where was Patrick Holmes? He was right in the mix with all the other really good quarterbacks in the league.
00:43:51
He didn't separate himself.
00:43:52
He didn't do anything.
00:43:53
That was, you know, Major Jaw dropped despite you know how he's covered on television.
00:43:59
And that's kind of continued into this year.
00:44:02
He's been pretty good, and I think a lot of these teams, they're starting.
00:44:06
Like I said, I mean, we saw it with the Patriots.
00:44:08
We saw it against the Chargers.
00:44:10
We saw it against the Raiders.
00:44:12
I mean, that's three of the last four games where you know exactly what to do to him, like let him if you want.
00:44:18
If he wants to run around and create uh, situations for himself that difficult, don't panic.
00:44:24
Don't get all out of sorts and start running after him and leaving Tyree kill wide open all of a sudden now teams were like, All right, go ahead, limit.
00:44:32
Have to feel for yourself.
00:44:33
You know, make the game harder for your offensive lineman and we'll let it come to you.
00:44:38
Every so often you're gonna get little Scramble.
00:44:40
You're gonna get some yards here and there.
00:44:42
But you're finding Mawr and MAWR.
00:44:44
Teams are focusing more on the players on the outside, not letting them get open.
00:44:49
Because again, I don't I don't see it.
00:44:59
It is great when players wide open.
00:45:02
Let's see if he could do what Aaron Rodgers does.
00:45:04
Let's see if he could do what Tom Brady does.
00:45:06
Let's see if he can Dio.
00:45:07
We'll stick to those two guys because again, we're talking about the best of the best of the best.
00:45:12
Russell Wilson.
00:45:13
I'm sorry, I I gotta throw him in here because again, he's He's been, uh, in credit much better.
00:45:19
I think he's a farm or polished quarterback than Patrick problems, and I'm not saying that he can't get to that point.
00:45:25
But, you know, again, this is why we can't sit here and and, you know, go crazy after you know, just such a short period of time and again, you know, dismiss what other players have done because, you know, I I just I look at him as a guy not, as you know, is a good player, but just a guy amongst the other really good quarterbacks.
00:45:44
And, yeah, so that's my rant and rant.
00:45:48
I mean, yeah, to me, he was He's never been a tier above any of those guys.
00:45:52
Like like even entering this year, even after winning the Super Bowl.
00:45:55
The top four, we're all in the same tear e think you mentioned all for? We know who they are.
00:46:00
Um, and I think it's a pretty far gap from them to everyone else.
00:46:04
Yeah, Lamar Jackson was great last year.
00:46:07
Yeah, Drew Brees has been really good at times e I put I put the one caveat kind of in limbo right now, and this will be a good transition into what we wanna kind of finish the show off with.
00:46:20
And that's Tom Brady, because I've seen really cold.
00:46:24
He's in that top four, like I'm saying, like, Okay, all right.
00:46:27
I mean that Zip top 40 year in attach.
00:46:30
Alright.
00:46:31
Just making sure I thought I thought maybe But anyway, it's like because, like, I'm looking at him as being a wild card, I I said before the season he could potentially be an M V P candidate.
00:46:41
Right now, I think the gap is too far for him to catch up.
00:46:44
You know, assuming of Russell, Wilson and and Rodgers play relatively the same the rest of the way, I think that's pretty safe to say that that could happen.
00:46:53
So I don't know if he could necessarily catch up to him, But you're starting to see that the Bucks and this is what we're gonna we'll get into, because this is a big game coming up this Sunday.
00:47:04
I think the Bucks are might be one of the scariest teams because there's issues that plagued them like discipline.
00:47:10
Uh, it can't be fixed overnight, But if you do fix it, that's gonna be a huge difference on you know, some of these games, particularly the one from last week.
00:47:24
Um, but we're starting to see that Tom still Tom, Um, yeah, he can throw the ball.
00:47:32
He can throw it far.
00:47:33
He could throw it.
00:47:34
Uh, tight spiral.
00:47:35
He could throw it short.
00:47:36
He could throw it wherever he needs to throw it.
00:47:38
Unless it's on the outside Tash, which we don't want to see anymore.
00:47:41
Just let's let's stop that two pick sixes this year.
00:47:44
Let's let's there's no one out there that can do that.
00:47:47
Um, he goes into Green Bay and I think this is gonna be an exciting match up because I think it's a obviously the billing is Brady versus Rodgers, but it's more than that.
00:47:58
The Bucks are coming off a terribly undisciplined game that that really it costs them a lot of points.
00:48:03
A lot of yards.
00:48:04
Um, they've had some moments on defense where they've looked really good and then others where they haven't.
00:48:10
Obviously going up against Aaron Rodgers is gonna be a big test.
00:48:13
And then, of course, I mean, you got to high scoring offenses.
00:48:17
I mean, these, these two teams could really swing it.
00:48:19
And you're gonna tell me that two guys combined at age of 70.
00:48:24
What, 9 79 years old.
00:48:26
They're gonna go out there and put up.
00:48:27
You know, he's Rogers of 36 right Thursday, 37.
00:48:32
Uh, he might be turning 37 during the season.
00:48:36
I thought 36 though, So eso I mean to old guys slinging.
00:48:42
I think we're going to get in for a pretty, pretty fun, pretty fun game.
00:48:47
So, Mike, pulse check.
00:48:50
How you doing, buddy? What are your thoughts on this game? How do you see this shaken up? I am still alive beyond belief.
00:48:57
And know that Z good stuff.
00:48:59
Look, I think you know E said you remember that show beyond belief factor fiction with what's his face from Star Trek? I mean it za meme Now, uh, you're like they play that video where it's, uh he says over and over again, I'm blanking on his name right now.
00:49:17
You gotta help me here. Like I know you know it.
00:49:19
I actually don't let anymore.
00:49:21
No, no, no, Not anymore.
00:49:23
Uh, you said sorry. Yeah.
00:49:26
Whatever.
00:49:27
Whatever.
00:49:28
That's Zulu.
00:49:29
No, no, I'll find it.
00:49:31
I'll find it you, Mike, You say your piece.
00:49:33
I'll look it up.
00:49:34
I'll go to my sources.
00:49:37
No, I mean, look, you know, you're you're looking, especially if you're talking to him.
00:49:41
The band Green Day this week.
00:49:42
You know, the Battle of the bays.
00:49:43
You know, I think in a lot of ways.
00:49:45
This is going to be a very good litmus test for both teams.
00:49:49
Uh, Tampa Bay's defense has looked a lot better than a lot of people have given it credit for this'll last game.
00:50:00
I don't think I think more of an anomaly with the end of, you know, that was being made out of it.
00:50:03
Like you said, Um, then really needs to be.
00:50:06
But this is a good statement game for both teams.
00:50:10
Whichever team does emerge here, I think is, is really looking to take the upper hand in the NFC right now.
00:50:15
Especially Lay.
00:50:16
The conference has shaken out.
00:50:18
Tampa Bay is definitely proven that even though you know their, you know their record might not be, is robust.
00:50:24
Is Green Bay's right now? I think they're still proving that they could do it.
00:50:27
They've got the talent on both sides of the ball.
00:50:30
They can pull out a win here.
00:50:31
It's gonna be a big, big thing for Tampa Bay.
00:50:34
If Green Bay takes it, too.
00:50:36
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers and you know and Rogers is able to be victorious over Tom Brady Now, all of a sudden, you have to start looking at them is one of the best teams in the league.
00:50:44
If you're not already, I already am.
00:50:46
I already think there at that echelon.
00:50:48
But you know this this would be a big, big statement.
00:50:50
Came for them.
00:50:51
So yeah, this This is probably the one that everybody is going to be circling on their calendar this week. Support 25.
00:50:57
Start the only 4.
00:50:58
25 start this week.
00:51:00
The the Jets and the Dolphins, I think.
00:51:03
Or four or five if I'm not mistaken.
00:51:04
So this is gonna have a lot of eyes on it.
00:51:07
So you can get 20 minutes of that game first, folks.
00:51:09
Exactly Your dinner before you have your you or Fitzpatrick just makes it over right away.
00:51:18
Okay? All you need to watch that 1st 20 minutes, you know? Okay, games over.
00:51:21
They got it, But well, uh, eso just wanted Thio.
00:51:26
Quickly get your way.
00:51:28
Almost.
00:51:29
See, the NFC is maybe less deep than a F C.
00:51:31
Like the Seahawks Packers at the very top.
00:51:34
I think the bucks or the third back in the division like and maybe it's over simplifying the three best quarterbacks.
00:51:39
Those, like those are the three in the elite tier.
00:51:42
Those are gonna be the contenders that no one else, but like the E the Seahawks defense.
00:51:48
But they do anything.
00:51:49
But, like the defense has been really impressive this year.
00:51:52
No, I I agree with you and that it's funny because we went into this season all assuming Wow, the NFC.
00:51:58
I mean, how how deep is the NFC? We're talking contender, contender, contender.
00:52:02
Obviously, the 40 Niners are what we thought they were gonna be.
00:52:06
I think Arizona's a nice team that I think might get into the playoffs.
00:52:10
I don't think they're Super Bowl contender the Seahawks again.
00:52:13
Russell Wilson is playing great, but I'm really concerned about that defense.
00:52:18
I mean, I have no doubt that a really good team could go in and put up some points.
00:52:21
And eventually Brussel Wilson is not gonna be able Thio score Mawr.
00:52:25
So s Oh, yeah, I think I think you're right.
00:52:28
I think it's very clear who the three top teams are not.
00:52:31
And I think it's not too surprising considering that, uh, you know, obviously Green Bay is is a veteran team led by veteran quarterback.
00:52:40
They have a young coach But I think given the cir***stances surrounding this off season, I think they're showing that they are a good team with good leaders because they able to put it, put it all together and have a really strong start to the season.
00:52:54
I think the Bucks are again their team that's obviously affected by not having the off season, But you can see the talent there.
00:53:02
You can see what's out there and again.
00:53:05
A lot of you know you give a lot of credit to Tom Brady because again tha guy comes through.
00:53:09
So it's like you kind of assume that he's going to start playing and look, I mean, he has he's, what, 12 touchdowns for interception? I mean, he's having a phenomenal start to a season despite some of the hurdles that you kind of expected.
00:53:22
So now all of a sudden you're looking at those three and you're like, OK, you know, that's that's I.
00:53:26
I don't see any other NFC team that really comes close and NFC East.
00:53:30
Forget about it, e.
00:53:33
If I had to name one, I might even say the Rams just because the Trust and Sean McVeigh and you can also then at the same time, Sean P. M.
00:53:41
But I still think there's a gap there.
00:53:42
I I think I really think the Saints are dealing with fool's gold here I I and and this is another thing that I'll pat myself on the back about.
00:53:52
I just I think Drew Brees has done.
00:53:53
I just don't I think I mean, how and this.
00:53:57
And we only have a couple minutes here, so we have to.
00:53:59
We'll have to make this quick.
00:54:01
How do you take your quarterback out in the most crucial point now? This may be a complete gaffe on Sean Payton Spark, but I don't care who you are.
00:54:09
You don't I don't care what sort of gim****y play your hair.
00:54:12
It did work the rushing touchdown work, but so but.
00:54:16
But if Drew Brees is the guy that everyone says he is, you don't take him off the field.
00:54:24
You live and you die with Drew Brees. I'm sorry.
00:54:27
That's just how I feel about it.
00:54:28
And and look, I mean, the guy clearly cannot push the ball consistently down the field, and we've had to sit here and listen.
00:54:35
You know, my I'm speaking for Mike and I listen to people say these things about Tom Brady for years and sit there and scratch your heads because it's like, Wait a minute, he's throwing the ball down the field and then I go on.
00:54:44
I watch you Drew Brees game and he's putting all his effort into getting the ball 15 yards down the field and this hasn't been just the season.
00:54:52
This has been something that we've talked about for years.
00:54:58
It's happening because this is This has been breezing credit to Sean Payton because he's he's worked the entire offense around him.
00:55:04
So it operates no problem, like they're playing to breathe strengths and that za make Sean Payton one of the smartest, if not the smartest, offensive line in the game.
00:55:11
Exactly, exactly.
00:55:13
So like, to me, this isn't a surprise to me.
00:55:16
I think what's surprising is, though I have I thought it was gonna be a little bit closer in the division, and I know I know the records are similar.
00:55:23
I think the Bucks, even with their discipline problems, are much better.
00:55:27
Team.
00:55:28
Are the pants actual threat to the box? They might be.
00:55:30
They might be, because again If this is what we see now, what happens when it starts getting cold and it gets later in the season and Drew Brees doesn't miss five games.
00:55:40
The rest? You know that for the Packers.
00:55:46
And I mean, the Packers beat the Saints.
00:55:47
It was a close game.
00:55:48
They had a hard time containing tomorrow.
00:55:50
But I think this is the toughest test they're gonna They've had so far this year.
00:55:55
And I also think these next two weeks is the toughest quarterback matchups for the Packers, and you couldn't be more opposite.
00:56:01
You've got Tom Brady is the like, greatest ever.
00:56:05
Then you got to Shawn Watson next weekend.
00:56:07
And if anyone and then, you know, talking about okay, the top of the main top four, if anyone enters into Number five without Bill O'Brien, and I want to see how this offense runs without it, it might be to Shawn Watson.
00:56:17
So that's gonna be really tricky for the Packers real quick, because I did want to mention hockey.
00:56:22
Is Alex Pietrangelo, the best free agent defenseman ever, like as far back as I remember, Scott Niedermayer was because of how that that turned Anaheim.
00:56:31
But like I know they got Tory crude, but how did ST Louis let him go? I just this this baffles me, You know? Good for Vegas.
00:56:40
Look, Krug is a nice fallback option where, you know, I think one to in terms of free agent defenseman, this offseason assed faras best defenseman, I I think I might have to a group, actually, no.
00:56:51
I am going to agree with you, Scott.
00:56:53
Scott Niedermayer was better than now its potential.
00:56:55
And and I'm not That's not an insult, Alex Potential.
00:56:58
I mean, Scott Niedermayer, which is a first ballot Hall of Famer greatest defenseman ever.
00:57:02
And he went to Anaheim, won them a cup and talented team.
00:57:05
And he got the consummate like they were saying he was the reason he was.
00:57:08
And no, I all that talent with Getzlaf, Perry, T Mussolini, Chris Pronger, Jagger and they give it to Niedermayer, not by accident.
00:57:16
He was a great player, but like legit, like, you know, we were talking about this with various a couple years ago, right? Like all the best free agent ever.
00:57:23
I think the translators right there.
00:57:24
I mean, I think a two best defenseman in the league dowdy and there if you want, but I get Nick Lidstrom vibes from Pietrangelo.
00:57:32
He's so smart with the puck, so smart without the park and contributes offensively.
00:57:35
No, I like what Vegas is doing.
00:57:37
They're identifying a guy that could be a new anchor for their team for the next seven years.
00:57:43
78 years, whatever it ends up being, so we'll have to.
00:57:46
We'll have to pick up this conversation again.
00:57:48
Maybe we'll do it tomorrow.
00:57:49
We'll we'll have a We'll have a little fun with that.
00:57:51
We will be back tomorrow, Mike.
00:57:54
One year on the air by my friend one year.
00:57:57
That's not no way.
00:58:01
Get into that.
00:58:02
I'm not going to mention that I'm entering my mid thirties and no longer early thirties.
00:58:08
We'll get into that a little bit as well.
00:58:10
But no, we we do have to say goodbye for now, and we will be back tomorrow at 9 a.m.
00:58:15
To celebrate our one year on the air.
00:58:17
So have a great day.
00:58:18
Snowman in the morning is coming up here in just a moment, so stay tuned and enjoy.
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