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00:00:09
all right.
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Good morning, everybody.
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Welcome back to SportsCastr News.
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This is, of course, Matt Brooks.
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I am here.
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Joined by Adam are Brick.
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Adam, How are you doing this? Lovely Tuesday morning? Um, excited to talk.
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A little bit of power rankings were already getting ready for next year.
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We've had 12 hours recover N B A championships over friends.
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We move on immediately.
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It's like it never happened.
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And the It's a beautiful morning, man.
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It's been raining for 36 hours straight on the East Coast.
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So it's just a lovely the sadness of of one sport coming to the conclusion it's being reflected in the weather.
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Yeah. No, it z crazy.
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Like I I would love to, like, get outside.
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But, I mean, I guess I guess I'm staying inside doing more.
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Uh, more e.
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I don't even know what? Looking at ESPN articles and stuff like that.
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Power rankings, more power rankings, mawr power.
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It's more power to the power rankings.
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Um, so I've got the article pulled up the the power rankings themselves.
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Um, I don't know how deep you want to go into this.
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I'll be honest after 12.
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It isn't particularly interesting unless you are a big Indiana Pacers fan and you feel like they should be higher than 16 which I mean power, Thio Like like I looked at.
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Gotta go Pacers 16.
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I wonder what I think about that.
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E feel weird about that.
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Should I even be thinking about the Pacers? I didn't have that thought, so I just kind of I went to top 10.
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I saw a certain team that you and I are pretty familiar with, and I felt like that was a little bit of a slight, but there's a couple of of rankings that I felt a little odd about.
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But let me just read the top 10 to sort of set the mood a little bit.
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Um, I have a second screen here, so I'll be looking back and forth, but so we'll start out with that.
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Number one.
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We have the Lakers.
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A total shocker right there that nobody saw coming at all whatsoever.
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Number two.
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We have the L. A Clippers three.
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We have the Milwaukee Bucks. Four.
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We have the Denver Nuggets five.
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We have the Dallas Mavericks.
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Six.
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We have the Golden State Warriors, seven.
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The Celtics eight.
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The Philadelphia 70 Sixers nine.
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The Miami Heat 10.
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The Brooklyn Nets Immediate reactions to any of anything in that top 10 right there.
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Uh, yeah, well, we do a lot of places as Brooklyn guys.
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10 maybe feels like a bit of a slight for the Nets, given the fact that you have a top three, eh? NBA player in the league and Kevin Durant in the top 15 player in Kyrie Irving alongside in there.
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So I mean, that's the initial thing.
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Maybe they're saying we're hedging our bets on what they're officially going to look like if they make any roster moves, etcetera.
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But even when you first jump out, man, like I'll say given the borderline epic nature off the l A Clippers failure combined with firing Doc Rivers like I could make the case that the Clippers on paper should be pretty high in these power rankings.
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And based on what happened in the playoffs and the and the moves that they immediately made, you have to put them in a much murkier place than the second best team overall.
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And that's likewise probably for for the Milwaukee Bucks there.
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Yeah, I I felt the exact same way about Milwaukee where I just like it's not even that they lost in a disappointing way.
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It's that they just felt like they hit the same wall that they did last year.
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And I felt like and like, literally, a proverbial wall that they built against the honest.
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But it's like they lost the exact same way against a team that really wasn't as good as that Raptors team last year and a lot of ways, I just kind of have to look at that and be like, So far, this is like an abject failure, like it's just like it's not.
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It's been a failure and I haven't seen anything that indicates that they're going to do things differently.
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And and I get it like they might win a lot of games in the regular season.
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We like look like we just shouldn't care about that as much anymore.
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Like like a freaking five scene made it to the finals and completely changed starting lineup the second I got into the bubble in the Miami heat.
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Um, you know, so I Yeah, I look at that.
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I think that's a little weird.
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I've got to say like we? I mean, look, it's in the title.
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I think the Warriors are a little bit slighted.
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Like if there's anybody that, like, really, really looks and I get it like they have no one, No one outside of Curry, Durant, Curry, Clay and Draymond.
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I get it.
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They have a couple of young piece is fine if you like marquees Chris Great.
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But they're just It doesn't matter.
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Like these guys, it's just There's a core there.
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There's a championship core, and for that reason alone, I know that there's a proof of concept there, and I actually think I would put them higher because of it.
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Well, so you said that.
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So when I looked Golden State Warriors, I don't have any real questions around Steph or around clay.
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I do have a least some question around Draymond Green.
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What version off of him is he coming back into this? And that could maybe shake up what their team looks like a faras expectations for the season.
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I still want to come back and be really strong.
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They have a pretty nice set up there in the draft as well, so they have abilities to do some things impact their team.
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But you see now here's the thing, though, if you're saying they got slightly slighted.
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Perfect, uh, or mildly slighted.
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But where would U S So you have above them? It's the Dallas Mavericks, the Nuggets and when Milwaukee's Clipper and the Lakers season.
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You mentioned, though, like when we were about to get started, you said that the Dallas Mavericks, you think, is weird.
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But I go.
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I look at what? The playoffs and go, Yeah, but if Luca and Porzingis we're both healthy, that clippers Siri's, they beat them and around early disagree with that.
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I don't disagree with that at all.
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Now you mentioned, but But he just had.
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Porzingis just went into like he just had surgery.
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Like it's a weird, timeto like ride the Dallas train because I think right now, like you're suddenly looking like wow, maybe that that trade that the Knicks sent out isn't that bad, even though, like objectively, it's already a bad trade.
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Like there's nothing having Luca there is going to ruin the value of those picks, no matter what.
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I just think it iss so, but I I the one I actually think I would put a little higher is Denver.
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I like Denver a lot.
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I think they're like, genuinely It felt like they took a little bit of a leap.
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And I think there's certain ways for them to improve what they do and also see if, hey, maybe there's something in Michael Porter Jr.
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Or you flip him for somebody else.
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I did a whole hour on Drew Holiday.
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I actually think that's an interesting trade for them.
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If they get if they send out Porter Jr and Gary Harris for, Like, Drew holiday like they're suddenly in that mix.
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So I don't know.
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I like that team a lot, but it's just like I'm looking at.
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And it's not even like I feel like Golden State should be number two or anything like that.
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But the teams that were in there, they all have questions Like the Clippers.
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I don't even know if Paul, George and Quiet play together well and then the Mavs.
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It's just like a health thing.
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So sorry I cut you off, but no, no, but that's a It's a fair question to say, like, Are you gonna be 100% healthy? I don't think you necessarily look at them and say This is a team that we expect to make some type of off season move to bolster whatever the current roster is, Tim Hardaway Jr is a guy that that's gonna be a free agent.
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But you expect me to go back there so you know they're nucleus should be the same.
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Health is gonna be there, number one on concern, but then when you move down a little bit was a couple things.
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It's the idea of the bucks being because they also include the title odds in here, and the Bucks are listed there plus 600.
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Now, just that this is more just an interesting.
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So I thought, when you look at the Western Conference versus the Eastern Conference, so the first Eastern Conference team listed is the box of the third spot there, plus 600 to win the title.
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Clippers.
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They're above them at 403 25 for the Lakers.
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When you get to the fourth spot there where the Denver Nuggets are listed, they're plus 2000 to win the title, plus 2500 for Dallas.
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And then, oddly enough, maybe to your point about the Golden State being slated.
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They're actually plus 800 to win the title. So there's some.
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There's some kind of disconnect here around how they feel about the team's versus what their actual opportunities are now that could be matchup dependent.
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So I guess you say, If you get Golden State back at their maximum health and they're doing their thing, the splash grows right back on track.
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That can still present the same problems, even for an L A Clippers, even for a Los Angeles Lakers.
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But it's interesting t to see that's the fourth best team in the West, according to this list, has nearly the same odds as Milwaukee toe win the title.
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The best team, as they show it in the Eastern Conference. It's odd.
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It's an odd power structure.
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Still Western Conference heavy? Yeah, it seems like, um, these rankings were a lot harder on the teams that either we're missing guys.
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Well, really.
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Just had their guys not play this year like it's both these this Nets team, which I think the Nets I'll be on.
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I think that that should be top five like and I don't I don't have a lot of problems with that roster like I don't even know about a lot.
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I have issues with the health of that roster, but I also understand, like the ceiling of what they could be on.
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I think you absolutely have to look at that like they're the team that has to talk five players in their conference and that matters like it's the same way that I feel great about the Warriors.
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I'm looking at their, you know, top end talent where it's like, Okay, Stefan Clay like to top 15 guys? I feel like they can cruise pretty easily and maybe make it to the conference.
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Finals are about Cruz, but we'll just like that.
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But the same thing goes for the Nets.
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It's like if Katie's healthy like and that's a big if, and if they can keep Kyrie healthy, then like I don't know why they wouldn't be in there and I always try to look at.
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And maybe this this is done differently.
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This exercise the ESPN did.
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But I've got to say like I always try to do these things, looking at the players, being healthy, because what fun is that? Like if you're just imagining somebody getting injured like that's a really dark 80% of these rosters are not doing so good from a physical health.
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Yeah, and by the way, you can't.
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You can't put you know, Dallas at five with Porzingis, who can't play more than 20 games.
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And then you have the Nets all the way at 10 for help like it's just like it's all in the same pot of health.
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Then you can't have Dallas be there like that.
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You guys dropping down.
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Uh, the interesting thing.
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So you talk about the top 10 to.
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If I go, let's go in the seven through 10 range, which, by the way, is comprised of all of Eastern Conference teams.
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Seventh is Boston and again, just the the betting odds for titles or interesting here because in descending order from Boston, Philly, Miami and then Brooklyn, where it's 1,404,400 plus 1000 the Nets actually hold the best title odds there.
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So, like I'm having a hard time assessing, you know exactly what they're.
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They're discriminating now for May.
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Boston's an interesting team because I think that arguably on paper, they have the best collection of individual pieces that make up their total roster.
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Right, you got a lot even down to Marcus Smart and being like Boy, this guy.
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I wouldn't have labeled him as being a crucial piece to any roster, but he clearly is for them.
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And if Gordon Hayward comes back and gets his player option, he returns.
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It's a great collection of talent.
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Philadelphia right behind them.
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This, I have to assume, is predicated on the on the Glen Rivers effect.
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Can't use Doc anymore.
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Clearly.
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See, uh, this.
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This has to be predicated on the coaching change, though, because otherwise not unlike Milwaukee, I don't see how you can look at a roster that's going to be the same as it's been barring some really dramatic change around Simmons being traded, or indeed, if they were out of their minds.
00:12:05
But unless they're making some big move this off season, everything about them still being a top 10 a top 18 has to be predicated on the impact of of Rivers and what he can do with that roster.
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Good luck.
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I mean, it's still a bad roster, like it's a bad, poorly fitting bad roster where it's like you have money going to Horford when he just doesn't fit.
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And he's kind of cooked honestly, Andan, that Tobias Harris thing is your go to guy I don't have, like all of my questions last year didn't even have to do with Brett Brown.
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And it was always just the question of like, where is the shooting coming from? Who's closing games and, yeah, like and And they haven't I mean, look like they have time and I think they'll be pretty aggressive.
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I would assume.
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I mean, it feels like it feels like half the league might make a trade.
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The second moratorium is lifted in a couple of weeks, like it really might, because this is a team that like, Yeah, they have the contracts to try to deal and and do something like I mean, it could be anything like maybe they trade for Gordon Hayward and they and they give back Al Horford like something weird's gonna happen.
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And we're gonna be like, okay, because it's been we've had what, like really since February for teams toe like have conversations about Hey, what do you think about trading this like there's been entire four month period.
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And there's no way that teams didn't talk about making trades or doing stuff like that.
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They were all the people.
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They better video, like tampering what the second that it's possible if you just see, like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang like 10 trees going like, Oh, you guys have swept away the details out.
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Dude, it's just a bunch of nerds at Disney World.
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Like they're just sitting around like, you know, figure it out.
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How they could do how they configure out this trade and that trade like I love it.
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I'm very here for it.
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So So there they, I guess, have upside.
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But if I'm looking at that roster, that's another one where I'm like, I don't even know if I feel more comfortable like they have this.
00:14:04
This list has Toronto ahead of them.
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Mhm.
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I'm not sure I'm even willing to say that like Okay, Toronto is probably gonna like Gasol is gonna go either abroad or he's gonna stay here and go toe.
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I don't know some team that needs like, ah, backup center and maybe they keep Ibaka.
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I don't know what's gonna happen with vanvleet, but look like you kind of roll over that roster.
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You saw enough from O G, N O B and Siaca.
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My bet has a little bit of a bounce back and I don't know.
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I just feel like they I even them.
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I know there's a proof of concept.
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I know that's a winning formula, and there aren't all these, like weird questions.
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It's really just a top end talent thing.
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And I guess that's the opposite from Philly.
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But I almost feel better about them because I know that there's something there.
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There's a cultural aspect.
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There's a sense of consistency year to year that you don't have with Philly.
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Philly's flipped it frost or every six months, and they've now changed their coach.
00:15:02
Yeah, like so it's like, That's the thing where I'm looking at like Philly is another one where I just like I get it.
00:15:08
You have to put them in there because of the top end talent.
00:15:10
But everything about how they've acted and everything about really since they had Colangelo takeover has just been kind of unmitigated disaster.
00:15:20
So I don't know if it if it's me because you mentioned Toronto, like if it's me and again.
00:15:25
Same thing, because, by the way, like so, based on what this on the way they structure this was it is predicated on the betting odds provided by Vegas for championship titles.
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It's also predicated on expect did possible trades or moves in the off season.
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So the idea, like ifit's uh, Miami should be above.
00:15:46
At the very least, Miami should be in the seventh spot.
00:15:49
It should be.
00:15:50
It should be Miami, and you put Brooklyn somewhere in there.
00:15:54
And if you wanna have Miami above Brooklyn, just because I just want to the Finals like I could even like I could even stand by that it should be some order of Miami, Brooklyn, Boston, Toronto and then Philadelphia in that 10th or 11th spot.
00:16:06
If you think that there's somewhere in the upper end, like said, based on pure talent, yes, okay, fine.
00:16:10
But also, your consistency is on Lee showing that you're consistent at coming up short, so drop them down a little bit, and then everybody also takes that shuffle step higher, because I think Milwaukee should be down closer to four or five again because you haven't shown consistency.
00:16:23
Miami right now can go into this offseason.
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And if they make ah, huge move and they get get Johannes.
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Okay, fine.
00:16:31
That's not not gonna happen.
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But they go do that that catapults even if they make a small move like a Victor Oladipo type of thing where you just bolster some of the defense, maybe add a little bit of shooting and these aren't even gonna be.
00:16:41
These were, like, probably two of the worst examples that have in terms of moving might make.
00:16:44
But if they just go But if they're gonna go out and acquire something and add to Jimmy Butler and add Thio Young Tyler, hero and young bam out of bio like I don't know how you can look at that with the burden of proof like you want the burden of proof.
00:16:59
They just went to the N B A Finals.
00:17:00
And when six games on Jimmy Butler and a broken bam, I mean, these guys were crumbling by the end of it physically, and they still had six games against the team that on paper and everyone agreed, is the best team in the league coming into the season like I don't know how you can look at them and say, Yeah, maybe your top 10.
00:17:18
You're barely top 10 and it's also like, I don't know.
00:17:22
I feel like I value coaching a lot more than I did in previous years.
00:17:25
Like now that the league is a little more even.
00:17:28
You kind of see, like the value in having like a Spoelstra or a nurse like nurse took that.
00:17:32
That's I mean, look, that Raptors roster was they had sockem having a historically awful playoffs as it like.
00:17:41
It's a number like he was.
00:17:44
He was.
00:17:45
They should have if he hadn't been an All Star, something that they would have just benched him after a couple of kids have been like, We're gonna throw out, I don't whatever.
00:17:52
Throw out whoever throw out.
00:17:54
I can't even think of some of their back in players, right? Like Matt, Matt Thomas for somebody like that, like they would have just thrown out somebody else because he was, like, unplayable, like he couldn't he couldn't do anything.
00:18:06
He was turning the ball over like it couldn't make a shot.
00:18:09
So you have like these I don't know, like seems like that where I'm just like I just feel like it's weird that we're doing this thing where we see these teams like really succeed and it's just we know that there's something there.
00:18:21
Miami I don't know if they're going to make a move, but even if they run it back a little bit like you have, bam just improve sort of linear early hell, they'll be, you know, right in the mix next year.
00:18:34
Like we already know there's something here and they said, like, Look in the Eastern Conference If you were just saying like, How do I How do I look at the Eastern Conference going into next year? I can't put Philly anywhere mawr than the middle of the pack, at least to start the season.
00:18:46
You know, like even that alone, right? You put Boston haven't put Miami ahead of me.
00:18:49
You put Brooklyn on paper ahead of them.
00:18:51
You probably put and you put Milwaukee ahead of them because they at least have the honest and at least even though they come up short, you have been having deep playoff runs.
00:18:58
So, like all these teams that feel comfortably ahead of them, I guess now I will say, because you think about with Toronto, Lowry, Van Fleet.
00:19:06
There are some moving pieces you mentioned Gasol like And even though Gasol obviously was on the back end of things and then you think about Serge Ibaka as well.
00:19:13
So if I want If I want to read this from a projecting off season move standpoint, I would say that Toronto being the 11th spot is saying they're going to lose some of what they've had.
00:19:27
They're gonna have and it will be They're gonna have Siaca.
00:19:29
They're gonna have one off Lowry or Van Fleet and then they're gonna have a lot of questions and they're maybe gonna have to pivot here a little bit to your point, like I like having coaching.
00:19:38
I think Nick Nurse should move the needle in the right direction.
00:19:40
But maybe that's the reality of saying When you look in the Eastern Conference alone, you think at a baseline Miami's gonna be right back there and competitive Boston.
00:19:49
If they just have Gordon Hayward often, they're gonna be right back there.
00:19:52
A lot of these teams and then and then if you on paper, you'd say, Well, Philly's a better team from a talent standpoint, than Toronto.
00:19:59
It's just about whether or not they can move the needle.
00:20:01
And then you go back to coach and say, Well, we brought in Rivers.
00:20:03
So I I am curious now, though, based on that.
00:20:07
Okay, So our some of these teams are insiders in the MBA saying, Yeah, expect those here e expect a lack of action for this particular team.
00:20:18
And that's where they start to fall down a little because Toronto in Miami is planning for 2021 like there's like a desperation factor.
00:20:26
I think right now and like if you could put this on a scale, I would put Toronto in Miami pretty low.
00:20:31
Like Miami, Honestly, Miami was playing with House money this year.
00:20:34
Like I get that they were a game away from, you know, went away from really stretching into seven and maybe having crazy things happen like they exceeded every bit of expectations.
00:20:44
I'm sure they had championship expectations like every team when they start in the season.
00:20:49
But I think if you put like a truth serum and asked their their executives toe like talk about what they actually think was gonna happen, like I don't think that they would be like, Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna make the finals because our center, who was ah, backup last year, is going to be the best player in the conference finals.
00:21:05
And we're gonna get led by a rookie shooting guard in one of the close out games.
00:21:11
He's gonna put up 37 like there's a lot of things that went right.
00:21:15
So I do see what you kind of mean.
00:21:17
I just think like those teams are playing it cool.
00:21:20
They know what they have.
00:21:22
You know, CIA comm is a like, I guess a cost control factor at this point and an OBE is interesting.
00:21:29
So I see what you mean.
00:21:31
Like some of these teams above them are Are you feel like you're gonna be like the Nets are one of them? Um, the heat are not the heat.
00:21:39
Uh, the sixers, Um and maybe I guess the Clippers The Clippers feel extremely desperate, like they I It's been really weird how they've acted in the off season.
00:21:49
You all these desperate, but I think a better words like like the desperate slash, volatile like Yeah, like it's crazy.
00:21:57
They're like, Yeah, it's like It's way all get calms everything work out Or is it a total freak out? Yeah, which is I don't know.
00:22:07
It s so there's just a lot of weird team.
00:22:10
So I I guess in a way, like you feel like when when somebody like Oladipo I wouldn't touch Victor Oladipo with, like, a 10 ft pole.
00:22:19
But one of these teams is gonna be like, That's our guy.
00:22:22
Like he's an all NBA player when healthy and whatever blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:22:26
And that's gonna turn into something.
00:22:27
So I guess like if you're looking at it from that perspective, yeah, sure, you might over pay.
00:22:33
And it might not be a winning formula, but it will make you better like it will bring up your baseline if you bring in more talent.
00:22:39
E don't know.
00:22:41
Would you think about like, I don't know.
00:22:43
I don't want to get out of power rankings into trade conversations or into that type of type of stuff, but no, that's what we're That's what this is gonna be.
00:22:50
But if you if you follow that night, typically this is where things start toe.
00:22:55
Really Go go in a different direction.
00:22:57
No, but a guy like Victor Oladipo, one of these top end like one of these higher end teams.
00:23:02
So when you think about the Lakers rebooting, or maybe even the Milwaukee Bucks looking to add maybe a different type of peace like the Lakers you talk about.
00:23:11
Rondo has an often opportunity for next season, but now he's may be more inclined not to take it, because I think it's only for a few million dollars.
00:23:18
So there's a chance that he actually gets on the market and earned himself a payday somewhere else.
00:23:22
Larger than coming to the season, you would have anticipated You have Avery Bradley there, you know? Listen, you have Caruso.
00:23:29
There's a little nice pieces around there.
00:23:31
But are the Lakers like the kind of team that could afford to say, like, you know, I don't know what you want.
00:23:36
Caruso E.
00:23:37
You want Koosman? I mean, you know you want you want Koosman something a package and they bring in a guy.
00:23:42
That ad that bolsters what they do well play defense and and you also go listen if you run into form offensively, awesome.
00:23:50
But that's not necessarily the biggest concern like to your point.
00:23:53
A team that goes out and makes a move for Oladipo and says we need you to be our second best scorer and a top end defender.
00:24:00
I think you're you're playing with fire and you're asking for riel concerns there If he doesn't get that shooting stroke back that you have from a couple of years ago Whereas L A could say to you could be our fourth best scorer.
00:24:10
It may be and, you know, and then played really solid defense for us and be the off ball guard alongside of Super Guard LeBron James.
00:24:20
Yeah, um, they're tricky.
00:24:23
I think they want to.
00:24:26
I think it would only be for the right player.
00:24:28
Like, I mean, I guess I don't even I would have said Lowry a year ago.
00:24:32
And I don't even know if, Like, does Lowry make that much sense for them? Like I don't know, you might be a little bit worried about the growth curve like or not the growth of the, uh, age growing or not growing anymore.
00:24:41
You know, he's not growing, and I'm worried about what he looks like in a couple of years, and I think they just want to like I assume they want to get a little bit younger and be just as athletic.
00:24:50
Like they want to rip maintain that athleticism that really brings about the Anthony Davis LeBron factor.
00:24:57
So, like, for a guy like Caruso, I think is gonna be there like he makes a, uh, even Kuzma.
00:25:05
I think they I think they can talk themselves into the Kuzma thing.
00:25:09
I just don't know what his like market value is right now.
00:25:11
Like maybe you hope that he just he had moments defensively, so I think what they're gonna do I learned this yesterday reading an article.
00:25:19
I was like, You know, so every team has.
00:25:21
It seems like there's what, like, 56 teams that have cap space, the Miami Heat or one of them, which is interesting.
00:25:27
Um ah, lot of teams we're gonna be working with that Emily, the M l A.
00:25:32
Could be used in a variety of ways, which the mid level exception.
00:25:35
Ah, lot of teams were paying the tax, so it's gonna be called What's the Mini Emily? And that's usually around like 6 to $7 million.
00:25:42
The Lakers at the full Emily which means they're working with, like, $10 million of salary, which in this market with how Maney you know, players there are and and and you know, potentially guys that I think would get paid out anywhere between, what, 15 million? In other years, they're now going to be looking at a market of like 7 to $10 million.
00:26:03
Well, one of the teams that has, like a a little bit more like a extra $3 million to kick at you.
00:26:09
Um, it happens to be the team that just won the title, so I think that they're going to be.
00:26:16
They will be the team that has pretty much everybody lining up for them.
00:26:18
It free agency.
00:26:19
That's not a hot take, but it's It just is another thing I was like.
00:26:22
That's almost not fair that they're one of the few teams that it's not being the tax but has the M l like I don't know.
00:26:28
I just was like, I can't believe this.
00:26:30
Well, they can choose to be like ultra selective, I guess, to your point right, like if we have to be a particular player, that helps us get a little bit younger athleticism, etcetera and really fits into what we're doing here.
00:26:40
We could just we can target one guy, because arguably now the curious thing I have around them is, and I don't I don't know if you have on the top of your head of where, Where? Dwight Howard, where JaVale McGee are in terms of contract.
00:26:51
I think I think Javale McGee is out.
00:26:54
I don't know if Dwight Howard has another year or not, but like there's a weird mechanism there of.
00:26:59
I think JaVale McGee is done after this year, and I don't think they'll bring him back.
00:27:02
It just seems like devolved away from it as you work to the playoffs.
00:27:05
Dwight Howard, I guess theoretically, you could bring back.
00:27:08
But I don't think that he's not replaceable.
00:27:10
So it's interesting to think about like one of these little mini tweaks that you make to the roster where all of a sudden obviously it's LeBron and it's a D and it is Caruso and it's probably Kuzma and then Avery Bradley.
00:27:20
You know, when he comes back to the team, everything else is going to be up for grabs and it's good.
00:27:26
It's still gonna be a bunch of veteran guys.
00:27:28
But like if you're the Lakers, you just won the championship.
00:27:31
And now you get to step back and say, And what would have been the better version? Because they were working with nothing.
00:27:40
Like they were working with nothing.
00:27:42
Last year, they got screwed by Kawhi Leonard screwed.
00:27:46
They got absolutely screwed.
00:27:48
So now you approach.
00:27:49
This year, you have, like every other team.
00:27:52
You're gonna be tampering your best players.
00:27:54
We're gonna be talking to their friends and their friends are gonna be talking to their friends.
00:27:58
I mean, Jared Dudley had his mind made up about going to the Lakers.
00:28:00
It seems like like way earlier.
00:28:03
And that's Jared Dudley.
00:28:04
Think about what you've got this year.
00:28:06
You have all this time you have.
00:28:08
These guys were trapped in a bubble.
00:28:10
The pedigree of the Lakers.
00:28:12
You see how great LeBron is? There's no stopping him.
00:28:15
Anthony Davis looks like the next breakout star, and you have all this and the Lakers are going to be starting at the exact same time.
00:28:22
Is everybody else? Nothing's hanging over their heads.
00:28:24
They don't have to worry about appeasing Kawhi Leonard, who may or may not be toying with them just to take away their leverage with free agent.
00:28:32
While the Clippers, by the way, are signing John Michael Green and all these guys that I think would have been, you know, guys that the Lakers probably would have looked at if they had known that quiet wasn't coming their way.
00:28:43
Now it's a different issue.
00:28:44
They are work.
00:28:45
They can improve, its not their e thought about you talk about like like then that's when we getting younger.
00:28:51
But they were saying about drag it and he'll go back to, you know, go back to Miami and just finish his career out there like he's a guy that you know is only valuable on quality teams of championship teams.
00:29:02
But it's like if he ends up on the market and the Lakers are like, Hey, you want to come with a chip with us? You know what I mean? Like, and that's a nice little veteran piece that you add in it so beautifully complementary from the perimeter shooting and then just a nice veteran presence and ah, veteran presence in a different way from having like a Dwight Howard on your roster like that's just a nice little yeah, what do you What do you say? 34 million? Come on, come on over.
00:29:23
Whatever that looks like.
00:29:24
By the way, Gallinari said yesterday that that he's like he's, he'd rather just he wants to win.
00:29:32
He wants to win, and then he's actually my Brooklyn.
00:29:34
He's a Brooklyn Nets guy.
00:29:36
I think, like he's a guy that Brooklyn that should be considering trying to figure out.
00:29:39
I didn't think he would be in the market.
00:29:41
I thought that he would get, you know, a pretty sizeable contract.
00:29:44
I mean, it would have to be with, like, the Hawks, so maybe he's not.
00:29:48
He just looks at that market.
00:29:49
He's like, I'm good, Andi, I don't know if the Heat would want to throw him anything long term and the heat are gonna do.
00:29:54
They're gonna like they have cap space.
00:29:57
But I'd expect them to be like we're giving two year deals with a player or a team option on the second year.
00:30:03
Like I I don't think they're gonna be like throwing big money because they're just waiting till 2021.
00:30:07
Um, but for a guy like Gallo Gallo has that rumor come out through.
00:30:12
I think it was like Euro hoops or something like that, which is, like, great in itself, that it's like coming out through a European, I guess. Media source.
00:30:21
And then right after he's tweeting at the Lakers, congratulating LeBron and I'm just like, man like if they get Gallinari Oh my God, like, can you imagine their their spacing? That's exactly what they need. Like exactly.
00:30:39
That's just like That's just the better Kuzma like you.
00:30:41
Just like, Oh, here's Kyle Kuzma.
00:30:43
See you later.
00:30:44
We're gonna play Gallinari at the four.
00:30:46
Sort of hide him, I guess.
00:30:48
I mean, he's not, like, awful on defense, like you could survive with him.
00:30:51
And by the way, he's playing next to Anthony Davis.
00:30:53
Who's gonna every mistake.
00:30:56
You're not, you're not playing.
00:30:57
It could be like, Oh, my God, can you do it if you're playing against Mazda or something like you know you're playing with arguably one of the top three defensive players in the league was also versatile and can switch and cover up like you say, You're bigger, you're not a quick on on.
00:31:10
Switches may be fine and on all.
00:31:12
And offensively, you can hit perimeter shots.
00:31:14
You're you're tall hit perimeter shots.
00:31:16
Yeah, pretty much make the perfect complement.
00:31:18
Their makes perfect compliment.
00:31:20
By the way, him and Anthony Davis will run, pick and roll together, and it will be like, I don't even know how.
00:31:24
I don't know how to stop this.
00:31:25
Like, this is ridiculous.
00:31:27
Like you have something.
00:31:29
Eso I mean, it's like it's not gonna be I I feel like weird.
00:31:34
Like the Lakers.
00:31:35
There's certain teams like you.
00:31:36
Look at this.
00:31:37
This, uh, this power rankings list, and you could kind of figure out what every single team is going to do, like in a way.
00:31:43
And it's I don't member feeling like that.
00:31:46
Maybe maybe I have before, but I just, like, feel like certain teams.
00:31:50
I know what their next couple years gonna look like.
00:31:52
I know the Lakers.
00:31:53
They're gonna be really they're gonna be active in free agency, and they're gonna be looking to add guys, um, I know which teams.
00:31:58
They're probably gonna be desperate and looking to make trades.
00:32:01
And I know who's just looking at this is like, yeah, we're good next year. Great.
00:32:04
But we're not really rushing the process.
00:32:06
And just so on the Lakers, it's Ah, Morris, Dudley, Dwight, Howard and waiters, all free agents.
00:32:12
Caldwell, Pope, Bradley, ****ey and Rondo all have player options.
00:32:16
So McGee actually has a player option.
00:32:18
You assume that he would exercise, You know, you assume he's gonna stick around there.
00:32:22
Like I said, the Rondo piece.
00:32:24
That was another one.
00:32:25
I don't know.
00:32:26
I mentioned this to you prior because I was talking to somebody.
00:32:27
Maybe myself, uh, that Rondo.
00:32:30
After watching him through the bubbling through the playoffs.
00:32:32
He's another guy that I think from a Brooklyn Nets perspective, could actually make a ton of sense if the number was right.
00:32:38
You're talking about bringing in a veteran guy.
00:32:40
He's obviously a very gritty.
00:32:42
He plays with some type of screw loose within in a good way.
00:32:45
And he does the things that would compliment alongside Kyrie Irving.
00:32:49
You know he does all the stuff that you would want a guy next to Kyrie to do and specifically what you don't have in a Spencer Dim.
00:32:56
What you're in a caress lover like that doesn't exist.
00:32:58
Currently on this roster at the guard position for Brooklyn, either.
00:33:00
And then that could be said about a handful of teams that could be in the market for a guard but specifically for Brooklyn and being a team again in a little bit of, let's say, maybe borderline desk.
00:33:09
What kind of motive Needing to come into this season as high powered and clicking on all cylinders when it comes to playoff time? You know, you could basically have him take a mini vacation for most of the season and then ramp it up when you start to get into playoff level.
00:33:24
I think he stays with the Lakers.
00:33:25
E Yeah, world. Yeah.
00:33:30
No, I they need somebody like like they need his skill set, but somebody, because even Rondo kind of needs the ball in his hands, like just like to a degree like, Yeah, he's improved like he's actually become a pretty decent off ballplayer.
00:33:43
But I don't know what they need.
00:33:45
They need something at the guard position, and I don't know if it's like a guy that kind of like like, do they? I mean, they could use a Caruso.
00:33:55
That's who they could really use.
00:33:56
Like if they could get somebody along those lines.
00:33:59
That's just like, you know, a low cost.
00:34:02
Um, you know, kind of just a guy that that makes the smart play and really just digs in defensively and can, like, hit a shot off the catch.
00:34:10
He doesn't have great.
00:34:11
Like they could use somebody like that right now.
00:34:14
Could Rondo be that for them? That be interesting.
00:34:17
I'd like to see Rondo take on that challenge.
00:34:19
And I think he'd be great in terms of like they need.
00:34:22
They still need a personality.
00:34:24
Like they need a dog.
00:34:26
They need somebody in there that's just gonna give you a little bit of like, f you like you need a little like.
00:34:31
And that's Rondo to a T.
00:34:33
And I don't feel like they have that like, yeah, they have these superstar, you know, figures.
00:34:37
But they don't have that guy.
00:34:39
I don't I don't know who even like the clippers have Patrick Beverley who? You know? Yeah, I tell you what, man.
00:34:46
He's been knowing this year.
00:34:48
I I understand what he is, and I respected it for basically most of his career.
00:34:56
And then this year, I was about his heart out on a guy like that as you could possibly be, because its impact couldn't have been any less in terms of basketball and that.
00:35:05
And he was still the, You know, a dude taunting someone from the bench as they're shooting free throws.
00:35:12
Like, you know, I just that's about his little barrel.
00:35:16
He was also bad, just like, yeah, it was weird.
00:35:22
So like, but no, I actually like the Rondo idea.
00:35:25
I like that better than, like, bringing like a Chris Paul or somebody like that in there. Yeah.
00:35:29
Which I No, no, no.
00:35:32
No way, please.
00:35:33
Now, now Ah, a rondo like Rondo to a Philadelphia is also like you talk about.
00:35:40
What's the missing mechanism there? About somebody with that personality, that dog mentality? Anything.
00:35:44
Listen, Rondo, can you can I can use the name Rondo as a representation off any guard who could be facilitator for scorer seconds and has a mentality and a grip to them as being crucial and valuable to probably three or four Eastern Conference teams.
00:36:03
The Milwaukee Bucks could use it.
00:36:05
The Sixers could use it.
00:36:07
The Celtics could use it.
00:36:08
The Nets could use it like so that that's really what you're talking about right where, like, legitimately, there's a lot of teams that just need that piece at guard.
00:36:17
And ironically, guards are sometimes like from a statistical standpoint, impact on the game and the way things have shifted.
00:36:24
You go.
00:36:25
You have a guards, you know you can find one, right? I mean, even, look, that's like you Have you ever been Spencer Dinwiddie? Spencer Dinwiddie? Two years ago, it was off the scrapheap.
00:36:32
Caris Levert was at this developmental guy who kind of flourished here a little bit.
00:36:35
So many teams.
00:36:36
You just kind of find a guard to plug in.
00:36:39
And yet, if it's not the right kind of guard, right, and then and then there's, like this little tiny, selective group that are really high impact Teoh a specific team with a specific need at that position.
00:36:51
You know what? If it's great, the other L A team could Oh, that's a nice one.
00:36:57
He fits great there because they needed a guy who sort of connects everybody.
00:37:04
Um, he helped with the rebounding and they just played without personality and really like they just didn't play.
00:37:14
I don't even know how that they didn't play with any integrity at a lot of times, and there's just no better way to describe Rajon Rondo.
00:37:22
Like Rajon Rondo is like sometimes too much integrity out there where it's like Rana, every single play like this is a pre season game number.
00:37:32
Three way.
00:37:33
Get it? You have integrity.
00:37:34
Yeah, like so.
00:37:36
So I I don't know.
00:37:37
I I That's the spot where he makes a little bit of sense now.
00:37:39
I don't think he would do that.
00:37:40
Why would you? Why would you go to the Clippers when you could just stay with the Lakers, by the way? Like it seems like they've figured out the playmaking thing like they have him and LeBron.
00:37:50
It's like, Okay, that's their point.
00:37:52
Guards.
00:37:53
LeBron's a point guard now, like we don't even the more he ages, the more he becomes a point guard.
00:37:57
He's just gonna be tall, Jason Kidd or, like career Magic Johnson like, it's gonna be great.
00:38:01
It was so funny.
00:38:02
I just had this conversation I had Doug over.
00:38:06
It was over visiting yesterday and off podcast off everything.
00:38:10
I was like, you know, what's in just thinking about I was like a zoo.
00:38:13
LeBron gets like, really like in two or three years? Do you just kind of see him move like, totally away from a 43? Any of those rules? And he really just settles into pure guard mentality and but still goes.
00:38:26
He was like, I mean, he led the league and assist this year, he He's kind of already doing it, and it was like and I was like, Oh, oh, he's like he's like it's just great thought.
00:38:36
You're just like a It's already.
00:38:38
It's happening already listening, which is fantastic.
00:38:42
And it's amazing and also terrifying, Like just on with Keith yesterday, talking about the Lakers and the Finals and everything else and you go like we all and you and I talked about it right? Like when? When you start to see a little bit of a downturn for LEBRON like, I think, if anything, the affirmation that I got was like, Oh, no, no, no.
00:38:57
We're 23 years away from talking, having that conversation, and that's what you terrify everybody because you're talking about a D coming into his peak and LeBron James probably still being able to give you close to Kik LeBron for two or three more years, which is and then So that's your point, Rondo.
00:39:15
Why are you leaving that? Yeah, it's Ah, yeah.
00:39:20
It's funny doing this.
00:39:21
So, like, let me ask you this.
00:39:22
Who do you think's number two? If you were to redo this these power rankings because I struggle with that, I have no idea.
00:39:28
Like my default would be the I don't even know if I want to say the Clippers.
00:39:31
Why am I putting the Clippers in there? What did I see this year that suggested that they were? Yeah, I almost they have a little, well, well, and it's like you, right? So So for the Nets, for the next standpoint, it's obviously just the injuries.
00:39:46
Health, right? That's all that you're asking is on again.
00:39:49
So your point if we said everybody on this list is healthy, assume that that's the premise than Brooklyn's.
00:39:54
A lot higher on this list.
00:39:56
The Clippers for what? Their expectations, where I think now deserve a little bit more of the Philadelphia 70 Sixers treatment.
00:40:02
Hey, great collection of talent.
00:40:04
But I don't like, you know, coming up quote unquote short, but losing and not making the Western conference finals.
00:40:10
If you had made the question conference finals and lost to the Lakers and seven games, then we feel we feel like Oh, yeah, okay, that that's what we thought this was going to be.
00:40:18
And we'll see you next year in the same spots.
00:40:20
So if you're gonna bump them true second, it's interesting.
00:40:25
I hesitate to, and you probably would like this to say that the Golden State Warriors, maybe arguably to preserve to be the third or maybe even like, you know, let's based on what we knew before they suffered their injuries there, there and then ISAT.
00:40:42
Is it crazy for me to say that maybe it should even be the Denver Nuggets? If you want to talk about them like, that's probably the team that I look at because Jamal Murray obviously took this enormous jump and he's young and you got the Joker and you have Porter like, you know, they're They're they're They have nice size, nice length, nice scoring from multiple positions.
00:41:00
You have the big that can shoot from the outside.
00:41:02
And even though he may look like the Pillsbury Doughboy, at times he slimmed down and also like he does a nice job defensively, even when he is outsized, like he is effect.
00:41:15
He was effective against Rudy Gobert at times, even though Rudy Gobert has a foot on him, he's just a smart player, and his passing it was passing out of that position is phenomenal, too.
00:41:25
So maybe if I was hard pressed, I would look at Denver saying they're the least deserving.
00:41:30
I at least put them over Milwaukee as it stands right now with ease.
00:41:32
And then what you're saying, One more jump to be above the Clippers? Yeah, that's not a big stretch for May.
00:41:37
And if you talk to me, ah, month into this upcoming season, I could say that Yes, Brooklyn deserves, you know, deserves to be right up there because no one else, including the Clippers, including the Milwaukee Bucks, are going to show me anything early in the season that I hadn't seen the year before or the past two years.
00:41:52
In Milwaukee's case, right, I can see something over the 1st 15 20 games from Brooklyn where I go, that's it.
00:41:59
You know, more Eastern Conference finals, whoever you wanna be.
00:42:02
Miami, Boston, Milwaukee, whatever, Eastern Conference Finals and then we'll go from name.
00:42:06
They also have, like, the mystery box appeal like a They have a guy, I think Durant's I'm gonna put him at two.
00:42:13
Um, in right now, I look, I get it.
00:42:16
The injury.
00:42:17
I just I'm trying to view it as like he comes back near 100% like that.
00:42:21
Just it's more fun that way.
00:42:22
So if you want a more, that's the case.
00:42:27
More and more of these injuries, you do come back closer to 100%.
00:42:30
I mean, look 70% you know, Look at the look.
00:42:33
The sweat shirt I'm wearing a W N b a Finals.
00:42:35
Briana Stewart.
00:42:36
We came back, like, you know, basically came back and was awesome.
00:42:40
So I don't know, like medicine is improved and I don't know what I think.
00:42:43
He'll be a really interesting case studied for what the Achilles injury means in the modern MBA.
00:42:51
Like how detrimental of an injury is that, um, so they have a guy who I think is top to They have a secondary star that fits with him pretty well on paper, like it's pretty tough for me to look at those two and be like, Yeah, those two don't really make sense together.
00:43:06
They just do.
00:43:07
And I've seen the Clippers thing and it's a little weird between Quiet and Paul George.
00:43:12
I just felt like they succeeded independently of one another.
00:43:15
They never really just It never felt like you saw those two.
00:43:20
You saw it in certain games, but I just I don't know.
00:43:23
There's something weird about them.
00:43:24
They overlap a little too much for me and I don't I just never felt like they were.
00:43:28
It was Paul George that I didn't really feel like they used that well, So the co I like, I'm going to say that Kawai isn't necessary like a team guy.
00:43:38
I don't mean that in, you know, totally agree.
00:43:41
He's so talented and he does so many things so well.
00:43:45
But he's not a guy that impacts everybody else effectively on the floor, the way LeBron James does, or in a D or a Kevin Durant, right? So that's, I think, the issue there, especially when you have Paul George because he's not a needle mover onto himself.
00:44:00
He only needs the big superstar that allows him to operate more freely and That's maybe where you end up with this kind of, oh, these air to really talented guys.
00:44:09
Maybe the top three guy, Top four guy and Kawhi Leonard and then a top whatever and Paul George.
00:44:14
But they're never going to be this meshed pairing that feed off each other.
00:44:19
Like, what's a co I Leonard team looked like.
00:44:21
I mean, I think we saw that that this year, like ah, Kawhi Leonard team is like kind of like without personality or it's a weird combination of personality, Like it just it was that clip Erstein was I like and the, you know, we got out of those those playoffs, and I saw a lot of like pundits and people making that argument.
00:44:40
And I'm like, That's a strong argument.
00:44:42
I can't refute that because I don't know.
00:44:44
I don't understand what happened with the Clippers, and that's the only sensible thing that I could really think of.
00:44:49
Like I think Lakers, you know, exact.
00:44:51
That's a that's a LeBron team to a T.
00:44:53
Everybody knows exactly what their role is.
00:44:55
Um, they come in, they feel like nobody is bigger than the team itself.
00:45:01
And I think the Nets like, even Say what you want.
00:45:03
The Nets are just gonna be a team of like bucket carriers.
00:45:06
Like, I think that's like the ideal Katie team is a bunch of guys that can score, and it'll feel kind of like maybe a little bit like a streetball team.
00:45:14
At least there's an identity like S O.
00:45:17
I don't know, like I just like, I feel like we're kind of getting a A feel for what the Nets could be and the other team I would actually put up there is the Celtics.
00:45:27
I think the Celtics e think could be in that mix, but at the same time that I use that argument, you know, I could say, Well, Jayson Tatum is going to take the league.
00:45:35
Denver really is the team that you pointed out.
00:45:37
They are the team that I think Jamal Murray is probably a top 20 ish guy.
00:45:43
Say he takes another leap and that his growth continues.
00:45:46
He makes it to top 15.
00:45:49
Well, then you have a guy that's top six, top seven and Yokich and a top 15 guy.
00:45:54
So that team, I think next year has the obvious next step for them, and that's actually a bigger bounty.
00:46:00
Then say that the warriors out the Warriors? Sure.
00:46:03
I mean, I don't know what Clay is gonna look like.
00:46:04
Step is obviously a top player, but that Denver team is really going to be fighting with the big dog because of those two players.
00:46:11
I don't know. I I really have been buying them.
00:46:13
I thought that there their postseason was legit.
00:46:16
It did not feel like flukey or anything like that.
00:46:18
Like that team has got some some gusto.
00:46:22
Consistency.
00:46:23
Jamal Murray, right.
00:46:24
Like it looks like you showed it in the bubble.
00:46:26
Now, just about Hey, if you come out in this next season and you look like the same kind of I'm not talking or not talking about 45 point performances on a nightly basis, just consistency from from the scoring standpoint, night in, night, out throughout the season.
00:46:38
Then I think that then you start to really put them on that track.
00:46:41
The only other thing I I'm just curious about some of these lower muddling middle of the road ranked teams and your thoughts on them.
00:46:48
But what I will say is we talk about quiet Leonard, you say It's like, you know, no personality.
00:46:52
What is that team? Whatever.
00:46:54
I'm not gonna knock the guy for wanting to go back to from where he's from, but it's actually the case why his time in Toronto was successful, Right? You have a Kyle Lowry who has so much personality and and a van fleet, and then you compliment co I with lengthy guys in SIAC.
00:47:09
Um, and what could have been a developing? And it will be like, You know all those pieces around there like it's always easy again.
00:47:16
You want to go home, great, go home.
00:47:17
But in terms of what's the best collection of talent around me? Sometimes you almost, you know, you look into it, you look into finding the right spot for you, and then you go great. I'm good.
00:47:28
It's not unlike Jimmy Butler in Miami now, right? Like he bounces around these teams and I think successfully falls into what is a great scenario for him with that coach, that organization, etcetera.
00:47:39
So it's interesting.
00:47:40
It's interesting to think about some of those decisions you make.
00:47:42
If it's about personal, then I get it.
00:47:44
If it was about winning and legacy building and all that stuff because, remember, LeBron just won a title with his third team.
00:47:51
That's what Collide was potentially going for this year is, well, like he could have just maybe lived, lived with Toronto for another two years.
00:47:58
And it could have been right back there this year, playing the Lakers with the Toronto Raptors in the final so that that's just an interesting one.
00:48:04
Beyond that.
00:48:06
Are there any ones I know like it's getting into the weeds on some of these other ones, like, I think it makes sense with Rockets or tumbling there? 12.
00:48:12
I could make a case that there's a couple of teams that may be deserved to be even hired.
00:48:15
That could overtake them there, certainly.
00:48:17
But are there any of these, like back and teams? Are you? Uh, it's just about to get there like I was like, Phoenix.
00:48:25
Did they show you enough in that eight game? Almost play into the playoffs, where you go there really young and really talented and saying that they're the 19th team behind the pelicans, Grizzlies, the Pacers that Okay, see, like who you expect to lose, You know, Chris Paul like that.
00:48:42
I mean, what do you like about them? And like, how? How high do you think If you read these power rankings at the All Star break this upcoming season, where do you think Phoenix could be? I mean, I just look at, like the the Devin Booker Thing and and you look at some of the pieces around him.
00:48:58
Like I think McCall Bridges could really become like Take another leap next year and DeAndre Eating is just like suddenly has become one of them.
00:49:07
Or I had no interest in him in the first Couple, like, really his rookie season.
00:49:12
And now what kind of looked at him like he's? I don't know what he is, but he's a very unique player and a lot more unique than I thought he would end up being like.
00:49:21
He's just he's got a little more than meets that.
00:49:25
You see him and you're like, Oh, it's probably like a big bruising center and then you see him play a little bit, always gonna be kind of a LaMarcus Aldridge, but he's got some play making.
00:49:33
His defense has improved, too.
00:49:35
So he's an interesting player and I feel like what he does next year and what he becomes next year is what I think takes them up a little bit.
00:49:45
And they just have a nice collection of guys that make a ton of sense around Phoenix.
00:49:49
We talked about ways that they can improve.
00:49:52
One of the things is improved.
00:49:54
That Ricky Rubio spot, who I think probably makes more sense, is a backup.
00:49:58
I think he'd be Justus good like Look what Rondo's doing.
00:50:00
Why can't he become phoenixes? Rondo? Yeah, he's a little overpaid, but, I mean, whatever eso you bring in, like VanVleet who actually like a lot for them, put him next to a Devin Booker.
00:50:11
Devin Booker brings the ball up is primarily their point guard.
00:50:14
You have a VanVleet who's gonna play defense and he's gonna spot up and he's gonna get great looks off of Devin Booker.
00:50:22
I mean, that really feels like the spot for him, and that team has a lot of upside.
00:50:28
They feel like a team again.
00:50:29
We talk about teams that are going to do trades, teams there, waiting it out.
00:50:33
They feel like a team that's gonna be active in free agency because I think they can honestly talk themselves into being a lower seeded team, like if things really go well for them next year, what really is the difference between them and the Rockets like way accepted the Rockets as this, like perennial playoff Team West, Westbrook will be a year older.
00:50:52
Um, they are changing their coaching situation.
00:50:57
Harden is going to be a year older and has, I think, shown a slight dip in certain areas.
00:51:03
I just don't know if you're going to get the like.
00:51:05
He's averaging 40 for two months card in anymore.
00:51:08
It's just that's kinda hard for me to believe.
00:51:10
So you look at this.
00:51:12
The Suns team that is moving up.
00:51:15
The Rockets are trending down and they have a ton like huge workload on hard and like what really separates those teams other than oh, we think of the Rockets is just they're in the playoffs automatically.
00:51:26
They're gonna be there, I don't know.
00:51:28
And why.
00:51:29
A lot of young talent, right? Like Phoenix like, Yeah, it was like this grizzly ones, like I'm like, I know there's talent.
00:51:37
I'm like we see this every year here.
00:51:41
There's like a young team that does amazing in year one and then kind of comes back down to Earth, and it's usually one.
00:51:47
The Celtics have their draft picks like it's like, ironically, it just funneling in more talented the organization.
00:51:55
Well, the good part is that if the Celtics are these pics turned into, like, you know, picks 20 instead of fixed, whatever.
00:52:01
Eight and stuff like that.
00:52:02
But no, it's like all these teams that are ahead of the sons, like the Pacers find the thunder, like with the thunder at 15 when it really feels like Chris Paul is gonna be moved.
00:52:11
Okay, so here's Here's my Here's my Eastern Conference and you bring them to the sons my Eastern Conference team.
00:52:18
Health considered you just mentioned.
00:52:21
Okay, see, you've got marketing Carter Jr.
00:52:25
Why do you like them? Levin.
00:52:27
And now you've added in.
00:52:28
Billy Donovan is the head coach listed at 26 of the power rankings.
00:52:31
That's the kind of team that I think by All star break ish time.
00:52:35
You could be talking about where Phoenix is listed right now, 19 like top 20 kind of team in the Eastern Conference.
00:52:41
When you scroll down through this thing once you get back.
00:52:44
Listen, we're still gonna keep Philadelphia on talent alone after the Five seed.
00:52:49
Now you're into the Indiana Pacers.
00:52:50
The Orlando Magics of the world like Hawks.
00:52:53
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:56
Where the Hawks would love to be in that spot.
00:52:58
Like, I just think that the talent level is there.
00:53:01
And if all those guys stay healthy and again, you when I talk about like, coaching really does move the needle for me, I think it was a great move for Billy Donovan to for whatever okay sees thinking is we're going to rebuild this thing.
00:53:12
I would have kept Billy Donovan and rebuild it with Billy Donovan as opposed to jettison, you know, moving on.
00:53:17
And that's totally cool.
00:53:18
He goes to a great spot in what's supposed to be a major market in the n.
00:53:21
B A.
00:53:22
And I think that you're going to see this year be kind of that uptrend for them.
00:53:26
Now there's still there's still pieces away from, you know, being competitive in the biggest, biggest sense of the word.
00:53:33
But I think that you could see them getting themselves back into playoff conversation consistently over the next three or four years.
00:53:40
Yeah, no there.
00:53:41
I mean, do you look at the bottom of the east e of the booth in the east? It's just kind of a table that falls off.
00:53:50
Yeah, like the magic are missing.
00:53:52
Isaac next year, Um, you have the Pacers who are probably gonna lose all the depo.
00:53:58
So then your team becomes Sabonis and his Myles Turner.
00:54:01
I feel like miles teller and gets built.
00:54:02
I think he's probably gonna get traded.
00:54:04
Um, so you have their team becomes Sabonis and Brogden, which is, like, weirdly kind of a fun team.
00:54:11
Like I actually think that always are always, you know, But it's like you look at all these teams and you have, like, what you could you make the case that I don't like? Who is the team that's gonna jump? I would have to be the Hawks and the Bulls.
00:54:27
I actually think the Bulls like I don't even think Donovan is necessarily like this great, great coach.
00:54:34
I didn't think he was awesome in these playoffs, and I actually felt like more of their success this year could be attributed to what Chris Paul kind of brought like.
00:54:43
He just came in and again Culture Center came in said, Hey, we're gonna play my way and we're gonna be this slow mid range team and it works because Chris Paul is awesome.
00:54:55
And that's just how it's gonna work.
00:54:57
Billy Donovan, I think, is a good coach.
00:55:00
But the upgrade from Jim Boylan to Billy Donovan? Yeah, like there you go.
00:55:07
Like that's the lead.
00:55:08
Like, yeah, like this is gonna be one of those things where it's like It's like when Milwaukee had what was his name, the interim coach who coached that first year.
00:55:20
Oh, man.
00:55:21
What was, uh uh man, I should I almost wanna look this up, but I'm going to do it.
00:55:26
Clucks. Interim coach.
00:55:29
And it was against Let me look your crunchy Joe Prunty.
00:55:36
So you have Joe Prunty to Mike Budenholzer? Who? What? Yeah, well, I think basically know about the organization Jason Kidd to print e to Mike Budenholzer like I feel like the growth from that.
00:55:51
Just like going from a chi or Mark Jackson to Steve Kerr, like sometimes just putting somebody competent, who knows what they're doing a little bit and it's just gonna be like, Hey, we're all on the same page.
00:56:05
I'm actually not gonna, like, you know, bad mouth, my best player to the media or whatever.
00:56:11
What's going on with Levine eso like, if you just have somebody that's gonna come thing is better than being in a bad having a bad season.
00:56:19
You're the head coach.
00:56:20
You're having an awful season and you're like, You know what it is, though, if I could be clear guys, it's the guy that the organization really loves and wants to build around.
00:56:30
Yeah, he's most of the problem, and it's not necessarily May I'm gonna head out for a couple of days.
00:56:34
You let me know once you shipped in out of town like it's just that I think that's more my point.
00:56:38
Like to your point, I don't know where I put what I put Billy Donovan on the spectrum of coaches in the league.
00:56:42
It's not.
00:56:43
I could probably get 89 10 guys up ahead of them before I get to him and at the same time, just be stable, stabilize this team, give consistency, have that team be healthy and they'll be exciting.
00:56:53
And, like you said, when you look at those envy.
00:56:55
When you look at the n b A and you look at the East, I just look at it and I say, Okay, we, like, said Brooklyn's gonna take a jump like the Magic, the Hornets, the Wizard And then it's the Bulls.
00:57:03
And by the way, like the Magic had 33 wins like that, that is 11 wins more than the Bulls had.
00:57:09
But Hornets and Wizards.
00:57:10
They won 23 25 games apiece.
00:57:12
Like the Wizards, are you talking about team with injuries that are hoping like they're hoping that they have Bradley Beal there and that John Wall comes back? A guy that feels like he hasn't played in a decade like I don't see that they're just automatically going to jump up there.
00:57:26
So from a talent perspective, Chicago could you could sneak in there and being eighth or seventh seed, you know, in the Eastern Conference and hang your hat on the fact that you got there for the first time in a handful of years.
00:57:36
Yeah, like, have guys used correctly, so, like they have a front court that makes a lot of sense.
00:57:40
If you look at it on paper you have window Carter, who is a little bit of a playmaking big.
00:57:43
You can kind of use them like a bam and you run those like dribble handoffs.
00:57:47
Good passer.
00:57:48
Use them on the short role.
00:57:49
Then you have marketing who fits really well.
00:57:51
It's actually kind of a miracle that they work better like that.
00:57:53
Marketing had such a bad year.
00:57:55
He's not like a great shooter, But he is, I think, in the right system, and part of it is that they need to get a guy who, like, moves the ball a little bit better.
00:58:03
Like they just have to guards that the ball just gets stuck like Kobe White.
00:58:08
His playmaking improved, I think is the year went, but Billy Donovan and Chris Paul reunite.
00:58:15
Yeah, I wouldn't that be funny if he went toe.
00:58:17
If you went Thio Chicago, they had the ways to do it like they have ways to improve their young team.
00:58:23
I still really like that front court.
00:58:25
I kind of refused to give up on that front court and there's enough talent at the guard position.
00:58:30
But they, you know, again like little little fringe moves, they could do, and they have a smart guy who's, you know, that worked in Denver's front office and has, by all accounts, earned really rave reviews across the league.
00:58:41
Um, he, I think, will be able to assess the situation pretty quickly on then.
00:58:48
Just a little footnote here.
00:58:49
Six out of the bottom seven teams in the power rankings in the Eastern Conference, just in case you're wondering where where things still stand in terms of the power.
00:58:58
Yeah, so just that's that.
00:58:59
That's that final footnote.
00:59:00
It's a bunch of guys in the bottom of scrapheap trying to claw their way out.
00:59:03
It'll be great.
00:59:04
It's gonna be a fun year in the East.
00:59:06
It's gonna be really another classic.
00:59:08
Uh, all right, I would think we've hit a nice, nice chunk of Think we're good.
00:59:13
I think we wanted got double time.
00:59:15
No big deal here.
00:59:16
Um, Adam, this was fun.
00:59:18
I'll be catching you later this week.
00:59:21
Anything coming up on your channel? Oh, gosh.
00:59:25
Well, if you're into another sport, you wanna watch NFL? I'll be over on the Tuesday night pre game.
00:59:32
This evening.
00:59:33
You can check in with me and Ray Ralph covering the Titans taking on the other teams that they're playing again.
00:59:41
So obviously, I'm already prepared.
00:59:43
Ready for that? But you got that stuff on Friday.
00:59:46
It will be good as well.
00:59:47
You can check that out.
00:59:48
You were wrong with me last week.
00:59:49
So we're just trying to do some things around the off season and start to dive into more specific nets content there and what they're gonna look to dio other than that will be back on Thursday.
00:59:57
I just don't search my name.
00:59:58
Just find me on here.
00:59:59
I'm doing a lot of stuff.
01:00:00
And if I had the ability, I tell you that they're playing a team of God, Matt.
01:00:06
That's all right. I didn't know Joe Protease name.
01:00:08
So you know, you are forgivable.
01:00:09
Fills Titan's woo.
01:00:12
Yeah, they're good, right? Yeah.
01:00:15
Undefeated man, they're They're right.
01:00:16
A ride on the gravy train. Josh.
01:00:18
Matt Brooks, NFL.
01:00:19
Look at that expanding brand.
01:00:22
Know nothing about football.
01:00:24
Yeah, check.
01:00:25
Check me out as well.
01:00:26
I have a Lakers stream tomorrow, which will be fun.
01:00:31
Um, yeah, I I just last I get my last little grip of the season.
01:00:36
It'll it'll be a little bit of season talk.
01:00:38
Probably talking a lot about future moves.
01:00:40
Ways that they can improve.
01:00:42
Um, which I think will be fun.
01:00:44
I'm really excited for that because I'm I'm of the of the mind that they can improve.
01:00:49
And, uh, I think a lot of people don't wanna talk about that.
01:00:52
But I'm sure this Lakers guess will be very eager to talk about how great the Lakers could be next year.
01:00:57
So it'll be fun.
01:00:58
So little adjustments.
01:01:00
That will be happening tomorrow night. E.
01:01:03
Thank you, everybody for watching.
01:01:04
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01:01:05
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01:01:07
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ESPN ranks Stephen Curry, GSW outside Top 5 in ‘way too early’ 2021 power rankings

After one of the more forgetful seasons in their recent history, things are looking up for Stephen Curry and the rest of the Golden State Warriors. Clearly, this past season wasn’t an ideal one for the Bay Area squad as they tallied the worst record in the league (15-50) and were miles away from being […]

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all right.
00:00:10
Good morning, everybody.
00:00:11
Welcome back to SportsCastr News.
00:00:13
This is, of course, Matt Brooks.
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I am here.
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Joined by Adam are Brick.
00:00:18
Adam, How are you doing this? Lovely Tuesday morning? Um, excited to talk.
00:00:22
A little bit of power rankings were already getting ready for next year.
00:00:27
We've had 12 hours recover N B A championships over friends.
00:00:31
We move on immediately.
00:00:33
It's like it never happened.
00:00:34
And the It's a beautiful morning, man.
00:00:36
It's been raining for 36 hours straight on the East Coast.
00:00:38
So it's just a lovely the sadness of of one sport coming to the conclusion it's being reflected in the weather.
00:00:44
Yeah. No, it z crazy.
00:00:46
Like I I would love to, like, get outside.
00:00:48
But, I mean, I guess I guess I'm staying inside doing more.
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Uh, more e.
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I don't even know what? Looking at ESPN articles and stuff like that.
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Power rankings, more power rankings, mawr power.
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It's more power to the power rankings.
00:01:01
Um, so I've got the article pulled up the the power rankings themselves.
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Um, I don't know how deep you want to go into this.
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I'll be honest after 12.
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It isn't particularly interesting unless you are a big Indiana Pacers fan and you feel like they should be higher than 16 which I mean power, Thio Like like I looked at.
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Gotta go Pacers 16.
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I wonder what I think about that.
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E feel weird about that.
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Should I even be thinking about the Pacers? I didn't have that thought, so I just kind of I went to top 10.
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I saw a certain team that you and I are pretty familiar with, and I felt like that was a little bit of a slight, but there's a couple of of rankings that I felt a little odd about.
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But let me just read the top 10 to sort of set the mood a little bit.
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Um, I have a second screen here, so I'll be looking back and forth, but so we'll start out with that.
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Number one.
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We have the Lakers.
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A total shocker right there that nobody saw coming at all whatsoever.
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Number two.
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We have the L. A Clippers three.
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We have the Milwaukee Bucks. Four.
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We have the Denver Nuggets five.
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We have the Dallas Mavericks.
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Six.
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We have the Golden State Warriors, seven.
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The Celtics eight.
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The Philadelphia 70 Sixers nine.
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The Miami Heat 10.
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The Brooklyn Nets Immediate reactions to any of anything in that top 10 right there.
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Uh, yeah, well, we do a lot of places as Brooklyn guys.
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10 maybe feels like a bit of a slight for the Nets, given the fact that you have a top three, eh? NBA player in the league and Kevin Durant in the top 15 player in Kyrie Irving alongside in there.
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So I mean, that's the initial thing.
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Maybe they're saying we're hedging our bets on what they're officially going to look like if they make any roster moves, etcetera.
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But even when you first jump out, man, like I'll say given the borderline epic nature off the l A Clippers failure combined with firing Doc Rivers like I could make the case that the Clippers on paper should be pretty high in these power rankings.
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And based on what happened in the playoffs and the and the moves that they immediately made, you have to put them in a much murkier place than the second best team overall.
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And that's likewise probably for for the Milwaukee Bucks there.
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Yeah, I I felt the exact same way about Milwaukee where I just like it's not even that they lost in a disappointing way.
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It's that they just felt like they hit the same wall that they did last year.
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And I felt like and like, literally, a proverbial wall that they built against the honest.
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But it's like they lost the exact same way against a team that really wasn't as good as that Raptors team last year and a lot of ways, I just kind of have to look at that and be like, So far, this is like an abject failure, like it's just like it's not.
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It's been a failure and I haven't seen anything that indicates that they're going to do things differently.
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And and I get it like they might win a lot of games in the regular season.
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We like look like we just shouldn't care about that as much anymore.
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Like like a freaking five scene made it to the finals and completely changed starting lineup the second I got into the bubble in the Miami heat.
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Um, you know, so I Yeah, I look at that.
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I think that's a little weird.
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I've got to say like we? I mean, look, it's in the title.
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I think the Warriors are a little bit slighted.
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Like if there's anybody that, like, really, really looks and I get it like they have no one, No one outside of Curry, Durant, Curry, Clay and Draymond.
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I get it.
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They have a couple of young piece is fine if you like marquees Chris Great.
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But they're just It doesn't matter.
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Like these guys, it's just There's a core there.
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There's a championship core, and for that reason alone, I know that there's a proof of concept there, and I actually think I would put them higher because of it.
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Well, so you said that.
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So when I looked Golden State Warriors, I don't have any real questions around Steph or around clay.
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I do have a least some question around Draymond Green.
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What version off of him is he coming back into this? And that could maybe shake up what their team looks like a faras expectations for the season.
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I still want to come back and be really strong.
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They have a pretty nice set up there in the draft as well, so they have abilities to do some things impact their team.
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But you see now here's the thing, though, if you're saying they got slightly slighted.
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Perfect, uh, or mildly slighted.
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But where would U S So you have above them? It's the Dallas Mavericks, the Nuggets and when Milwaukee's Clipper and the Lakers season.
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You mentioned, though, like when we were about to get started, you said that the Dallas Mavericks, you think, is weird.
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But I go.
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I look at what? The playoffs and go, Yeah, but if Luca and Porzingis we're both healthy, that clippers Siri's, they beat them and around early disagree with that.
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I don't disagree with that at all.
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Now you mentioned, but But he just had.
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Porzingis just went into like he just had surgery.
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Like it's a weird, timeto like ride the Dallas train because I think right now, like you're suddenly looking like wow, maybe that that trade that the Knicks sent out isn't that bad, even though, like objectively, it's already a bad trade.
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Like there's nothing having Luca there is going to ruin the value of those picks, no matter what.
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I just think it iss so, but I I the one I actually think I would put a little higher is Denver.
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I like Denver a lot.
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I think they're like, genuinely It felt like they took a little bit of a leap.
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And I think there's certain ways for them to improve what they do and also see if, hey, maybe there's something in Michael Porter Jr.
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Or you flip him for somebody else.
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I did a whole hour on Drew Holiday.
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I actually think that's an interesting trade for them.
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If they get if they send out Porter Jr and Gary Harris for, Like, Drew holiday like they're suddenly in that mix.
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So I don't know.
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I like that team a lot, but it's just like I'm looking at.
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And it's not even like I feel like Golden State should be number two or anything like that.
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But the teams that were in there, they all have questions Like the Clippers.
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I don't even know if Paul, George and Quiet play together well and then the Mavs.
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It's just like a health thing.
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So sorry I cut you off, but no, no, but that's a It's a fair question to say, like, Are you gonna be 100% healthy? I don't think you necessarily look at them and say This is a team that we expect to make some type of off season move to bolster whatever the current roster is, Tim Hardaway Jr is a guy that that's gonna be a free agent.
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But you expect me to go back there so you know they're nucleus should be the same.
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Health is gonna be there, number one on concern, but then when you move down a little bit was a couple things.
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It's the idea of the bucks being because they also include the title odds in here, and the Bucks are listed there plus 600.
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Now, just that this is more just an interesting.
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So I thought, when you look at the Western Conference versus the Eastern Conference, so the first Eastern Conference team listed is the box of the third spot there, plus 600 to win the title.
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Clippers.
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They're above them at 403 25 for the Lakers.
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When you get to the fourth spot there where the Denver Nuggets are listed, they're plus 2000 to win the title, plus 2500 for Dallas.
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And then, oddly enough, maybe to your point about the Golden State being slated.
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They're actually plus 800 to win the title. So there's some.
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There's some kind of disconnect here around how they feel about the team's versus what their actual opportunities are now that could be matchup dependent.
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So I guess you say, If you get Golden State back at their maximum health and they're doing their thing, the splash grows right back on track.
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That can still present the same problems, even for an L A Clippers, even for a Los Angeles Lakers.
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But it's interesting t to see that's the fourth best team in the West, according to this list, has nearly the same odds as Milwaukee toe win the title.
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The best team, as they show it in the Eastern Conference. It's odd.
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It's an odd power structure.
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Still Western Conference heavy? Yeah, it seems like, um, these rankings were a lot harder on the teams that either we're missing guys.
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Well, really.
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Just had their guys not play this year like it's both these this Nets team, which I think the Nets I'll be on.
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I think that that should be top five like and I don't I don't have a lot of problems with that roster like I don't even know about a lot.
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I have issues with the health of that roster, but I also understand, like the ceiling of what they could be on.
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I think you absolutely have to look at that like they're the team that has to talk five players in their conference and that matters like it's the same way that I feel great about the Warriors.
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I'm looking at their, you know, top end talent where it's like, Okay, Stefan Clay like to top 15 guys? I feel like they can cruise pretty easily and maybe make it to the conference.
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Finals are about Cruz, but we'll just like that.
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But the same thing goes for the Nets.
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It's like if Katie's healthy like and that's a big if, and if they can keep Kyrie healthy, then like I don't know why they wouldn't be in there and I always try to look at.
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And maybe this this is done differently.
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This exercise the ESPN did.
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But I've got to say like I always try to do these things, looking at the players, being healthy, because what fun is that? Like if you're just imagining somebody getting injured like that's a really dark 80% of these rosters are not doing so good from a physical health.
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Yeah, and by the way, you can't.
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You can't put you know, Dallas at five with Porzingis, who can't play more than 20 games.
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And then you have the Nets all the way at 10 for help like it's just like it's all in the same pot of health.
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Then you can't have Dallas be there like that.
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You guys dropping down.
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Uh, the interesting thing.
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So you talk about the top 10 to.
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If I go, let's go in the seven through 10 range, which, by the way, is comprised of all of Eastern Conference teams.
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Seventh is Boston and again, just the the betting odds for titles or interesting here because in descending order from Boston, Philly, Miami and then Brooklyn, where it's 1,404,400 plus 1000 the Nets actually hold the best title odds there.
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So, like I'm having a hard time assessing, you know exactly what they're.
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They're discriminating now for May.
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Boston's an interesting team because I think that arguably on paper, they have the best collection of individual pieces that make up their total roster.
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Right, you got a lot even down to Marcus Smart and being like Boy, this guy.
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I wouldn't have labeled him as being a crucial piece to any roster, but he clearly is for them.
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And if Gordon Hayward comes back and gets his player option, he returns.
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It's a great collection of talent.
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Philadelphia right behind them.
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This, I have to assume, is predicated on the on the Glen Rivers effect.
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Can't use Doc anymore.
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Clearly.
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See, uh, this.
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This has to be predicated on the coaching change, though, because otherwise not unlike Milwaukee, I don't see how you can look at a roster that's going to be the same as it's been barring some really dramatic change around Simmons being traded, or indeed, if they were out of their minds.
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But unless they're making some big move this off season, everything about them still being a top 10 a top 18 has to be predicated on the impact of of Rivers and what he can do with that roster.
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Good luck.
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I mean, it's still a bad roster, like it's a bad, poorly fitting bad roster where it's like you have money going to Horford when he just doesn't fit.
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And he's kind of cooked honestly, Andan, that Tobias Harris thing is your go to guy I don't have, like all of my questions last year didn't even have to do with Brett Brown.
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And it was always just the question of like, where is the shooting coming from? Who's closing games and, yeah, like and And they haven't I mean, look like they have time and I think they'll be pretty aggressive.
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I would assume.
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I mean, it feels like it feels like half the league might make a trade.
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The second moratorium is lifted in a couple of weeks, like it really might, because this is a team that like, Yeah, they have the contracts to try to deal and and do something like I mean, it could be anything like maybe they trade for Gordon Hayward and they and they give back Al Horford like something weird's gonna happen.
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And we're gonna be like, okay, because it's been we've had what, like really since February for teams toe like have conversations about Hey, what do you think about trading this like there's been entire four month period.
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And there's no way that teams didn't talk about making trades or doing stuff like that.
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They were all the people.
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They better video, like tampering what the second that it's possible if you just see, like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang like 10 trees going like, Oh, you guys have swept away the details out.
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Dude, it's just a bunch of nerds at Disney World.
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Like they're just sitting around like, you know, figure it out.
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How they could do how they configure out this trade and that trade like I love it.
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I'm very here for it.
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So So there they, I guess, have upside.
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But if I'm looking at that roster, that's another one where I'm like, I don't even know if I feel more comfortable like they have this.
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This list has Toronto ahead of them.
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Mhm.
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I'm not sure I'm even willing to say that like Okay, Toronto is probably gonna like Gasol is gonna go either abroad or he's gonna stay here and go toe.
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I don't know some team that needs like, ah, backup center and maybe they keep Ibaka.
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I don't know what's gonna happen with vanvleet, but look like you kind of roll over that roster.
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You saw enough from O G, N O B and Siaca.
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My bet has a little bit of a bounce back and I don't know.
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I just feel like they I even them.
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I know there's a proof of concept.
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I know that's a winning formula, and there aren't all these, like weird questions.
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It's really just a top end talent thing.
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And I guess that's the opposite from Philly.
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But I almost feel better about them because I know that there's something there.
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There's a cultural aspect.
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There's a sense of consistency year to year that you don't have with Philly.
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Philly's flipped it frost or every six months, and they've now changed their coach.
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Yeah, like so it's like, That's the thing where I'm looking at like Philly is another one where I just like I get it.
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You have to put them in there because of the top end talent.
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But everything about how they've acted and everything about really since they had Colangelo takeover has just been kind of unmitigated disaster.
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So I don't know if it if it's me because you mentioned Toronto, like if it's me and again.
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Same thing, because, by the way, like so, based on what this on the way they structure this was it is predicated on the betting odds provided by Vegas for championship titles.
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It's also predicated on expect did possible trades or moves in the off season.
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So the idea, like ifit's uh, Miami should be above.
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At the very least, Miami should be in the seventh spot.
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It should be.
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It should be Miami, and you put Brooklyn somewhere in there.
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And if you wanna have Miami above Brooklyn, just because I just want to the Finals like I could even like I could even stand by that it should be some order of Miami, Brooklyn, Boston, Toronto and then Philadelphia in that 10th or 11th spot.
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If you think that there's somewhere in the upper end, like said, based on pure talent, yes, okay, fine.
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But also, your consistency is on Lee showing that you're consistent at coming up short, so drop them down a little bit, and then everybody also takes that shuffle step higher, because I think Milwaukee should be down closer to four or five again because you haven't shown consistency.
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Miami right now can go into this offseason.
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And if they make ah, huge move and they get get Johannes.
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Okay, fine.
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That's not not gonna happen.
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But they go do that that catapults even if they make a small move like a Victor Oladipo type of thing where you just bolster some of the defense, maybe add a little bit of shooting and these aren't even gonna be.
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These were, like, probably two of the worst examples that have in terms of moving might make.
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But if they just go But if they're gonna go out and acquire something and add to Jimmy Butler and add Thio Young Tyler, hero and young bam out of bio like I don't know how you can look at that with the burden of proof like you want the burden of proof.
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They just went to the N B A Finals.
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And when six games on Jimmy Butler and a broken bam, I mean, these guys were crumbling by the end of it physically, and they still had six games against the team that on paper and everyone agreed, is the best team in the league coming into the season like I don't know how you can look at them and say, Yeah, maybe your top 10.
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You're barely top 10 and it's also like, I don't know.
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I feel like I value coaching a lot more than I did in previous years.
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Like now that the league is a little more even.
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You kind of see, like the value in having like a Spoelstra or a nurse like nurse took that.
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That's I mean, look, that Raptors roster was they had sockem having a historically awful playoffs as it like.
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It's a number like he was.
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He was.
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They should have if he hadn't been an All Star, something that they would have just benched him after a couple of kids have been like, We're gonna throw out, I don't whatever.
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Throw out whoever throw out.
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I can't even think of some of their back in players, right? Like Matt, Matt Thomas for somebody like that, like they would have just thrown out somebody else because he was, like, unplayable, like he couldn't he couldn't do anything.
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He was turning the ball over like it couldn't make a shot.
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So you have like these I don't know, like seems like that where I'm just like I just feel like it's weird that we're doing this thing where we see these teams like really succeed and it's just we know that there's something there.
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Miami I don't know if they're going to make a move, but even if they run it back a little bit like you have, bam just improve sort of linear early hell, they'll be, you know, right in the mix next year.
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Like we already know there's something here and they said, like, Look in the Eastern Conference If you were just saying like, How do I How do I look at the Eastern Conference going into next year? I can't put Philly anywhere mawr than the middle of the pack, at least to start the season.
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You know, like even that alone, right? You put Boston haven't put Miami ahead of me.
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You put Brooklyn on paper ahead of them.
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You probably put and you put Milwaukee ahead of them because they at least have the honest and at least even though they come up short, you have been having deep playoff runs.
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So, like all these teams that feel comfortably ahead of them, I guess now I will say, because you think about with Toronto, Lowry, Van Fleet.
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There are some moving pieces you mentioned Gasol like And even though Gasol obviously was on the back end of things and then you think about Serge Ibaka as well.
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So if I want If I want to read this from a projecting off season move standpoint, I would say that Toronto being the 11th spot is saying they're going to lose some of what they've had.
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They're gonna have and it will be They're gonna have Siaca.
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They're gonna have one off Lowry or Van Fleet and then they're gonna have a lot of questions and they're maybe gonna have to pivot here a little bit to your point, like I like having coaching.
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I think Nick Nurse should move the needle in the right direction.
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But maybe that's the reality of saying When you look in the Eastern Conference alone, you think at a baseline Miami's gonna be right back there and competitive Boston.
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If they just have Gordon Hayward often, they're gonna be right back there.
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A lot of these teams and then and then if you on paper, you'd say, Well, Philly's a better team from a talent standpoint, than Toronto.
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It's just about whether or not they can move the needle.
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And then you go back to coach and say, Well, we brought in Rivers.
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So I I am curious now, though, based on that.
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Okay, So our some of these teams are insiders in the MBA saying, Yeah, expect those here e expect a lack of action for this particular team.
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And that's where they start to fall down a little because Toronto in Miami is planning for 2021 like there's like a desperation factor.
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I think right now and like if you could put this on a scale, I would put Toronto in Miami pretty low.
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Like Miami, Honestly, Miami was playing with House money this year.
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Like I get that they were a game away from, you know, went away from really stretching into seven and maybe having crazy things happen like they exceeded every bit of expectations.
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I'm sure they had championship expectations like every team when they start in the season.
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But I think if you put like a truth serum and asked their their executives toe like talk about what they actually think was gonna happen, like I don't think that they would be like, Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna make the finals because our center, who was ah, backup last year, is going to be the best player in the conference finals.
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And we're gonna get led by a rookie shooting guard in one of the close out games.
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He's gonna put up 37 like there's a lot of things that went right.
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So I do see what you kind of mean.
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I just think like those teams are playing it cool.
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They know what they have.
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You know, CIA comm is a like, I guess a cost control factor at this point and an OBE is interesting.
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So I see what you mean.
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Like some of these teams above them are Are you feel like you're gonna be like the Nets are one of them? Um, the heat are not the heat.
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Uh, the sixers, Um and maybe I guess the Clippers The Clippers feel extremely desperate, like they I It's been really weird how they've acted in the off season.
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You all these desperate, but I think a better words like like the desperate slash, volatile like Yeah, like it's crazy.
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They're like, Yeah, it's like It's way all get calms everything work out Or is it a total freak out? Yeah, which is I don't know.
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It s so there's just a lot of weird team.
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So I I guess in a way, like you feel like when when somebody like Oladipo I wouldn't touch Victor Oladipo with, like, a 10 ft pole.
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But one of these teams is gonna be like, That's our guy.
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Like he's an all NBA player when healthy and whatever blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And that's gonna turn into something.
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So I guess like if you're looking at it from that perspective, yeah, sure, you might over pay.
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And it might not be a winning formula, but it will make you better like it will bring up your baseline if you bring in more talent.
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E don't know.
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Would you think about like, I don't know.
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I don't want to get out of power rankings into trade conversations or into that type of type of stuff, but no, that's what we're That's what this is gonna be.
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But if you if you follow that night, typically this is where things start toe.
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Really Go go in a different direction.
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No, but a guy like Victor Oladipo, one of these top end like one of these higher end teams.
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So when you think about the Lakers rebooting, or maybe even the Milwaukee Bucks looking to add maybe a different type of peace like the Lakers you talk about.
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Rondo has an often opportunity for next season, but now he's may be more inclined not to take it, because I think it's only for a few million dollars.
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So there's a chance that he actually gets on the market and earned himself a payday somewhere else.
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Larger than coming to the season, you would have anticipated You have Avery Bradley there, you know? Listen, you have Caruso.
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There's a little nice pieces around there.
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But are the Lakers like the kind of team that could afford to say, like, you know, I don't know what you want.
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Caruso E.
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You want Koosman? I mean, you know you want you want Koosman something a package and they bring in a guy.
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That ad that bolsters what they do well play defense and and you also go listen if you run into form offensively, awesome.
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But that's not necessarily the biggest concern like to your point.
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A team that goes out and makes a move for Oladipo and says we need you to be our second best scorer and a top end defender.
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I think you're you're playing with fire and you're asking for riel concerns there If he doesn't get that shooting stroke back that you have from a couple of years ago Whereas L A could say to you could be our fourth best scorer.
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It may be and, you know, and then played really solid defense for us and be the off ball guard alongside of Super Guard LeBron James.
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Yeah, um, they're tricky.
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I think they want to.
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I think it would only be for the right player.
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Like, I mean, I guess I don't even I would have said Lowry a year ago.
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And I don't even know if, Like, does Lowry make that much sense for them? Like I don't know, you might be a little bit worried about the growth curve like or not the growth of the, uh, age growing or not growing anymore.
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You know, he's not growing, and I'm worried about what he looks like in a couple of years, and I think they just want to like I assume they want to get a little bit younger and be just as athletic.
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Like they want to rip maintain that athleticism that really brings about the Anthony Davis LeBron factor.
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So, like, for a guy like Caruso, I think is gonna be there like he makes a, uh, even Kuzma.
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I think they I think they can talk themselves into the Kuzma thing.
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I just don't know what his like market value is right now.
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Like maybe you hope that he just he had moments defensively, so I think what they're gonna do I learned this yesterday reading an article.
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I was like, You know, so every team has.
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It seems like there's what, like, 56 teams that have cap space, the Miami Heat or one of them, which is interesting.
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Um ah, lot of teams we're gonna be working with that Emily, the M l A.
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Could be used in a variety of ways, which the mid level exception.
00:25:35
Ah, lot of teams were paying the tax, so it's gonna be called What's the Mini Emily? And that's usually around like 6 to $7 million.
00:25:42
The Lakers at the full Emily which means they're working with, like, $10 million of salary, which in this market with how Maney you know, players there are and and and you know, potentially guys that I think would get paid out anywhere between, what, 15 million? In other years, they're now going to be looking at a market of like 7 to $10 million.
00:26:03
Well, one of the teams that has, like a a little bit more like a extra $3 million to kick at you.
00:26:09
Um, it happens to be the team that just won the title, so I think that they're going to be.
00:26:16
They will be the team that has pretty much everybody lining up for them.
00:26:18
It free agency.
00:26:19
That's not a hot take, but it's It just is another thing I was like.
00:26:22
That's almost not fair that they're one of the few teams that it's not being the tax but has the M l like I don't know.
00:26:28
I just was like, I can't believe this.
00:26:30
Well, they can choose to be like ultra selective, I guess, to your point right, like if we have to be a particular player, that helps us get a little bit younger athleticism, etcetera and really fits into what we're doing here.
00:26:40
We could just we can target one guy, because arguably now the curious thing I have around them is, and I don't I don't know if you have on the top of your head of where, Where? Dwight Howard, where JaVale McGee are in terms of contract.
00:26:51
I think I think Javale McGee is out.
00:26:54
I don't know if Dwight Howard has another year or not, but like there's a weird mechanism there of.
00:26:59
I think JaVale McGee is done after this year, and I don't think they'll bring him back.
00:27:02
It just seems like devolved away from it as you work to the playoffs.
00:27:05
Dwight Howard, I guess theoretically, you could bring back.
00:27:08
But I don't think that he's not replaceable.
00:27:10
So it's interesting to think about like one of these little mini tweaks that you make to the roster where all of a sudden obviously it's LeBron and it's a D and it is Caruso and it's probably Kuzma and then Avery Bradley.
00:27:20
You know, when he comes back to the team, everything else is going to be up for grabs and it's good.
00:27:26
It's still gonna be a bunch of veteran guys.
00:27:28
But like if you're the Lakers, you just won the championship.
00:27:31
And now you get to step back and say, And what would have been the better version? Because they were working with nothing.
00:27:40
Like they were working with nothing.
00:27:42
Last year, they got screwed by Kawhi Leonard screwed.
00:27:46
They got absolutely screwed.
00:27:48
So now you approach.
00:27:49
This year, you have, like every other team.
00:27:52
You're gonna be tampering your best players.
00:27:54
We're gonna be talking to their friends and their friends are gonna be talking to their friends.
00:27:58
I mean, Jared Dudley had his mind made up about going to the Lakers.
00:28:00
It seems like like way earlier.
00:28:03
And that's Jared Dudley.
00:28:04
Think about what you've got this year.
00:28:06
You have all this time you have.
00:28:08
These guys were trapped in a bubble.
00:28:10
The pedigree of the Lakers.
00:28:12
You see how great LeBron is? There's no stopping him.
00:28:15
Anthony Davis looks like the next breakout star, and you have all this and the Lakers are going to be starting at the exact same time.
00:28:22
Is everybody else? Nothing's hanging over their heads.
00:28:24
They don't have to worry about appeasing Kawhi Leonard, who may or may not be toying with them just to take away their leverage with free agent.
00:28:32
While the Clippers, by the way, are signing John Michael Green and all these guys that I think would have been, you know, guys that the Lakers probably would have looked at if they had known that quiet wasn't coming their way.
00:28:43
Now it's a different issue.
00:28:44
They are work.
00:28:45
They can improve, its not their e thought about you talk about like like then that's when we getting younger.
00:28:51
But they were saying about drag it and he'll go back to, you know, go back to Miami and just finish his career out there like he's a guy that you know is only valuable on quality teams of championship teams.
00:29:02
But it's like if he ends up on the market and the Lakers are like, Hey, you want to come with a chip with us? You know what I mean? Like, and that's a nice little veteran piece that you add in it so beautifully complementary from the perimeter shooting and then just a nice veteran presence and ah, veteran presence in a different way from having like a Dwight Howard on your roster like that's just a nice little yeah, what do you What do you say? 34 million? Come on, come on over.
00:29:23
Whatever that looks like.
00:29:24
By the way, Gallinari said yesterday that that he's like he's, he'd rather just he wants to win.
00:29:32
He wants to win, and then he's actually my Brooklyn.
00:29:34
He's a Brooklyn Nets guy.
00:29:36
I think, like he's a guy that Brooklyn that should be considering trying to figure out.
00:29:39
I didn't think he would be in the market.
00:29:41
I thought that he would get, you know, a pretty sizeable contract.
00:29:44
I mean, it would have to be with, like, the Hawks, so maybe he's not.
00:29:48
He just looks at that market.
00:29:49
He's like, I'm good, Andi, I don't know if the Heat would want to throw him anything long term and the heat are gonna do.
00:29:54
They're gonna like they have cap space.
00:29:57
But I'd expect them to be like we're giving two year deals with a player or a team option on the second year.
00:30:03
Like I I don't think they're gonna be like throwing big money because they're just waiting till 2021.
00:30:07
Um, but for a guy like Gallo Gallo has that rumor come out through.
00:30:12
I think it was like Euro hoops or something like that, which is, like, great in itself, that it's like coming out through a European, I guess. Media source.
00:30:21
And then right after he's tweeting at the Lakers, congratulating LeBron and I'm just like, man like if they get Gallinari Oh my God, like, can you imagine their their spacing? That's exactly what they need. Like exactly.
00:30:39
That's just like That's just the better Kuzma like you.
00:30:41
Just like, Oh, here's Kyle Kuzma.
00:30:43
See you later.
00:30:44
We're gonna play Gallinari at the four.
00:30:46
Sort of hide him, I guess.
00:30:48
I mean, he's not, like, awful on defense, like you could survive with him.
00:30:51
And by the way, he's playing next to Anthony Davis.
00:30:53
Who's gonna every mistake.
00:30:56
You're not, you're not playing.
00:30:57
It could be like, Oh, my God, can you do it if you're playing against Mazda or something like you know you're playing with arguably one of the top three defensive players in the league was also versatile and can switch and cover up like you say, You're bigger, you're not a quick on on.
00:31:10
Switches may be fine and on all.
00:31:12
And offensively, you can hit perimeter shots.
00:31:14
You're you're tall hit perimeter shots.
00:31:16
Yeah, pretty much make the perfect complement.
00:31:18
Their makes perfect compliment.
00:31:20
By the way, him and Anthony Davis will run, pick and roll together, and it will be like, I don't even know how.
00:31:24
I don't know how to stop this.
00:31:25
Like, this is ridiculous.
00:31:27
Like you have something.
00:31:29
Eso I mean, it's like it's not gonna be I I feel like weird.
00:31:34
Like the Lakers.
00:31:35
There's certain teams like you.
00:31:36
Look at this.
00:31:37
This, uh, this power rankings list, and you could kind of figure out what every single team is going to do, like in a way.
00:31:43
And it's I don't member feeling like that.
00:31:46
Maybe maybe I have before, but I just, like, feel like certain teams.
00:31:50
I know what their next couple years gonna look like.
00:31:52
I know the Lakers.
00:31:53
They're gonna be really they're gonna be active in free agency, and they're gonna be looking to add guys, um, I know which teams.
00:31:58
They're probably gonna be desperate and looking to make trades.
00:32:01
And I know who's just looking at this is like, yeah, we're good next year. Great.
00:32:04
But we're not really rushing the process.
00:32:06
And just so on the Lakers, it's Ah, Morris, Dudley, Dwight, Howard and waiters, all free agents.
00:32:12
Caldwell, Pope, Bradley, ****ey and Rondo all have player options.
00:32:16
So McGee actually has a player option.
00:32:18
You assume that he would exercise, You know, you assume he's gonna stick around there.
00:32:22
Like I said, the Rondo piece.
00:32:24
That was another one.
00:32:25
I don't know.
00:32:26
I mentioned this to you prior because I was talking to somebody.
00:32:27
Maybe myself, uh, that Rondo.
00:32:30
After watching him through the bubbling through the playoffs.
00:32:32
He's another guy that I think from a Brooklyn Nets perspective, could actually make a ton of sense if the number was right.
00:32:38
You're talking about bringing in a veteran guy.
00:32:40
He's obviously a very gritty.
00:32:42
He plays with some type of screw loose within in a good way.
00:32:45
And he does the things that would compliment alongside Kyrie Irving.
00:32:49
You know he does all the stuff that you would want a guy next to Kyrie to do and specifically what you don't have in a Spencer Dim.
00:32:56
What you're in a caress lover like that doesn't exist.
00:32:58
Currently on this roster at the guard position for Brooklyn, either.
00:33:00
And then that could be said about a handful of teams that could be in the market for a guard but specifically for Brooklyn and being a team again in a little bit of, let's say, maybe borderline desk.
00:33:09
What kind of motive Needing to come into this season as high powered and clicking on all cylinders when it comes to playoff time? You know, you could basically have him take a mini vacation for most of the season and then ramp it up when you start to get into playoff level.
00:33:24
I think he stays with the Lakers.
00:33:25
E Yeah, world. Yeah.
00:33:30
No, I they need somebody like like they need his skill set, but somebody, because even Rondo kind of needs the ball in his hands, like just like to a degree like, Yeah, he's improved like he's actually become a pretty decent off ballplayer.
00:33:43
But I don't know what they need.
00:33:45
They need something at the guard position, and I don't know if it's like a guy that kind of like like, do they? I mean, they could use a Caruso.
00:33:55
That's who they could really use.
00:33:56
Like if they could get somebody along those lines.
00:33:59
That's just like, you know, a low cost.
00:34:02
Um, you know, kind of just a guy that that makes the smart play and really just digs in defensively and can, like, hit a shot off the catch.
00:34:10
He doesn't have great.
00:34:11
Like they could use somebody like that right now.
00:34:14
Could Rondo be that for them? That be interesting.
00:34:17
I'd like to see Rondo take on that challenge.
00:34:19
And I think he'd be great in terms of like they need.
00:34:22
They still need a personality.
00:34:24
Like they need a dog.
00:34:26
They need somebody in there that's just gonna give you a little bit of like, f you like you need a little like.
00:34:31
And that's Rondo to a T.
00:34:33
And I don't feel like they have that like, yeah, they have these superstar, you know, figures.
00:34:37
But they don't have that guy.
00:34:39
I don't I don't know who even like the clippers have Patrick Beverley who? You know? Yeah, I tell you what, man.
00:34:46
He's been knowing this year.
00:34:48
I I understand what he is, and I respected it for basically most of his career.
00:34:56
And then this year, I was about his heart out on a guy like that as you could possibly be, because its impact couldn't have been any less in terms of basketball and that.
00:35:05
And he was still the, You know, a dude taunting someone from the bench as they're shooting free throws.
00:35:12
Like, you know, I just that's about his little barrel.
00:35:16
He was also bad, just like, yeah, it was weird.
00:35:22
So like, but no, I actually like the Rondo idea.
00:35:25
I like that better than, like, bringing like a Chris Paul or somebody like that in there. Yeah.
00:35:29
Which I No, no, no.
00:35:32
No way, please.
00:35:33
Now, now Ah, a rondo like Rondo to a Philadelphia is also like you talk about.
00:35:40
What's the missing mechanism there? About somebody with that personality, that dog mentality? Anything.
00:35:44
Listen, Rondo, can you can I can use the name Rondo as a representation off any guard who could be facilitator for scorer seconds and has a mentality and a grip to them as being crucial and valuable to probably three or four Eastern Conference teams.
00:36:03
The Milwaukee Bucks could use it.
00:36:05
The Sixers could use it.
00:36:07
The Celtics could use it.
00:36:08
The Nets could use it like so that that's really what you're talking about right where, like, legitimately, there's a lot of teams that just need that piece at guard.
00:36:17
And ironically, guards are sometimes like from a statistical standpoint, impact on the game and the way things have shifted.
00:36:24
You go.
00:36:25
You have a guards, you know you can find one, right? I mean, even, look, that's like you Have you ever been Spencer Dinwiddie? Spencer Dinwiddie? Two years ago, it was off the scrapheap.
00:36:32
Caris Levert was at this developmental guy who kind of flourished here a little bit.
00:36:35
So many teams.
00:36:36
You just kind of find a guard to plug in.
00:36:39
And yet, if it's not the right kind of guard, right, and then and then there's, like this little tiny, selective group that are really high impact Teoh a specific team with a specific need at that position.
00:36:51
You know what? If it's great, the other L A team could Oh, that's a nice one.
00:36:57
He fits great there because they needed a guy who sort of connects everybody.
00:37:04
Um, he helped with the rebounding and they just played without personality and really like they just didn't play.
00:37:14
I don't even know how that they didn't play with any integrity at a lot of times, and there's just no better way to describe Rajon Rondo.
00:37:22
Like Rajon Rondo is like sometimes too much integrity out there where it's like Rana, every single play like this is a pre season game number.
00:37:32
Three way.
00:37:33
Get it? You have integrity.
00:37:34
Yeah, like so.
00:37:36
So I I don't know.
00:37:37
I I That's the spot where he makes a little bit of sense now.
00:37:39
I don't think he would do that.
00:37:40
Why would you? Why would you go to the Clippers when you could just stay with the Lakers, by the way? Like it seems like they've figured out the playmaking thing like they have him and LeBron.
00:37:50
It's like, Okay, that's their point.
00:37:52
Guards.
00:37:53
LeBron's a point guard now, like we don't even the more he ages, the more he becomes a point guard.
00:37:57
He's just gonna be tall, Jason Kidd or, like career Magic Johnson like, it's gonna be great.
00:38:01
It was so funny.
00:38:02
I just had this conversation I had Doug over.
00:38:06
It was over visiting yesterday and off podcast off everything.
00:38:10
I was like, you know, what's in just thinking about I was like a zoo.
00:38:13
LeBron gets like, really like in two or three years? Do you just kind of see him move like, totally away from a 43? Any of those rules? And he really just settles into pure guard mentality and but still goes.
00:38:26
He was like, I mean, he led the league and assist this year, he He's kind of already doing it, and it was like and I was like, Oh, oh, he's like he's like it's just great thought.
00:38:36
You're just like a It's already.
00:38:38
It's happening already listening, which is fantastic.
00:38:42
And it's amazing and also terrifying, Like just on with Keith yesterday, talking about the Lakers and the Finals and everything else and you go like we all and you and I talked about it right? Like when? When you start to see a little bit of a downturn for LEBRON like, I think, if anything, the affirmation that I got was like, Oh, no, no, no.
00:38:57
We're 23 years away from talking, having that conversation, and that's what you terrify everybody because you're talking about a D coming into his peak and LeBron James probably still being able to give you close to Kik LeBron for two or three more years, which is and then So that's your point, Rondo.
00:39:15
Why are you leaving that? Yeah, it's Ah, yeah.
00:39:20
It's funny doing this.
00:39:21
So, like, let me ask you this.
00:39:22
Who do you think's number two? If you were to redo this these power rankings because I struggle with that, I have no idea.
00:39:28
Like my default would be the I don't even know if I want to say the Clippers.
00:39:31
Why am I putting the Clippers in there? What did I see this year that suggested that they were? Yeah, I almost they have a little, well, well, and it's like you, right? So So for the Nets, for the next standpoint, it's obviously just the injuries.
00:39:46
Health, right? That's all that you're asking is on again.
00:39:49
So your point if we said everybody on this list is healthy, assume that that's the premise than Brooklyn's.
00:39:54
A lot higher on this list.
00:39:56
The Clippers for what? Their expectations, where I think now deserve a little bit more of the Philadelphia 70 Sixers treatment.
00:40:02
Hey, great collection of talent.
00:40:04
But I don't like, you know, coming up quote unquote short, but losing and not making the Western conference finals.
00:40:10
If you had made the question conference finals and lost to the Lakers and seven games, then we feel we feel like Oh, yeah, okay, that that's what we thought this was going to be.
00:40:18
And we'll see you next year in the same spots.
00:40:20
So if you're gonna bump them true second, it's interesting.
00:40:25
I hesitate to, and you probably would like this to say that the Golden State Warriors, maybe arguably to preserve to be the third or maybe even like, you know, let's based on what we knew before they suffered their injuries there, there and then ISAT.
00:40:42
Is it crazy for me to say that maybe it should even be the Denver Nuggets? If you want to talk about them like, that's probably the team that I look at because Jamal Murray obviously took this enormous jump and he's young and you got the Joker and you have Porter like, you know, they're They're they're They have nice size, nice length, nice scoring from multiple positions.
00:41:00
You have the big that can shoot from the outside.
00:41:02
And even though he may look like the Pillsbury Doughboy, at times he slimmed down and also like he does a nice job defensively, even when he is outsized, like he is effect.
00:41:15
He was effective against Rudy Gobert at times, even though Rudy Gobert has a foot on him, he's just a smart player, and his passing it was passing out of that position is phenomenal, too.
00:41:25
So maybe if I was hard pressed, I would look at Denver saying they're the least deserving.
00:41:30
I at least put them over Milwaukee as it stands right now with ease.
00:41:32
And then what you're saying, One more jump to be above the Clippers? Yeah, that's not a big stretch for May.
00:41:37
And if you talk to me, ah, month into this upcoming season, I could say that Yes, Brooklyn deserves, you know, deserves to be right up there because no one else, including the Clippers, including the Milwaukee Bucks, are going to show me anything early in the season that I hadn't seen the year before or the past two years.
00:41:52
In Milwaukee's case, right, I can see something over the 1st 15 20 games from Brooklyn where I go, that's it.
00:41:59
You know, more Eastern Conference finals, whoever you wanna be.
00:42:02
Miami, Boston, Milwaukee, whatever, Eastern Conference Finals and then we'll go from name.
00:42:06
They also have, like, the mystery box appeal like a They have a guy, I think Durant's I'm gonna put him at two.
00:42:13
Um, in right now, I look, I get it.
00:42:16
The injury.
00:42:17
I just I'm trying to view it as like he comes back near 100% like that.
00:42:21
Just it's more fun that way.
00:42:22
So if you want a more, that's the case.
00:42:27
More and more of these injuries, you do come back closer to 100%.
00:42:30
I mean, look 70% you know, Look at the look.
00:42:33
The sweat shirt I'm wearing a W N b a Finals.
00:42:35
Briana Stewart.
00:42:36
We came back, like, you know, basically came back and was awesome.
00:42:40
So I don't know, like medicine is improved and I don't know what I think.
00:42:43
He'll be a really interesting case studied for what the Achilles injury means in the modern MBA.
00:42:51
Like how detrimental of an injury is that, um, so they have a guy who I think is top to They have a secondary star that fits with him pretty well on paper, like it's pretty tough for me to look at those two and be like, Yeah, those two don't really make sense together.
00:43:06
They just do.
00:43:07
And I've seen the Clippers thing and it's a little weird between Quiet and Paul George.
00:43:12
I just felt like they succeeded independently of one another.
00:43:15
They never really just It never felt like you saw those two.
00:43:20
You saw it in certain games, but I just I don't know.
00:43:23
There's something weird about them.
00:43:24
They overlap a little too much for me and I don't I just never felt like they were.
00:43:28
It was Paul George that I didn't really feel like they used that well, So the co I like, I'm going to say that Kawai isn't necessary like a team guy.
00:43:38
I don't mean that in, you know, totally agree.
00:43:41
He's so talented and he does so many things so well.
00:43:45
But he's not a guy that impacts everybody else effectively on the floor, the way LeBron James does, or in a D or a Kevin Durant, right? So that's, I think, the issue there, especially when you have Paul George because he's not a needle mover onto himself.
00:44:00
He only needs the big superstar that allows him to operate more freely and That's maybe where you end up with this kind of, oh, these air to really talented guys.
00:44:09
Maybe the top three guy, Top four guy and Kawhi Leonard and then a top whatever and Paul George.
00:44:14
But they're never going to be this meshed pairing that feed off each other.
00:44:19
Like, what's a co I Leonard team looked like.
00:44:21
I mean, I think we saw that that this year, like ah, Kawhi Leonard team is like kind of like without personality or it's a weird combination of personality, Like it just it was that clip Erstein was I like and the, you know, we got out of those those playoffs, and I saw a lot of like pundits and people making that argument.
00:44:40
And I'm like, That's a strong argument.
00:44:42
I can't refute that because I don't know.
00:44:44
I don't understand what happened with the Clippers, and that's the only sensible thing that I could really think of.
00:44:49
Like I think Lakers, you know, exact.
00:44:51
That's a that's a LeBron team to a T.
00:44:53
Everybody knows exactly what their role is.
00:44:55
Um, they come in, they feel like nobody is bigger than the team itself.
00:45:01
And I think the Nets like, even Say what you want.
00:45:03
The Nets are just gonna be a team of like bucket carriers.
00:45:06
Like, I think that's like the ideal Katie team is a bunch of guys that can score, and it'll feel kind of like maybe a little bit like a streetball team.
00:45:14
At least there's an identity like S O.
00:45:17
I don't know, like I just like, I feel like we're kind of getting a A feel for what the Nets could be and the other team I would actually put up there is the Celtics.
00:45:27
I think the Celtics e think could be in that mix, but at the same time that I use that argument, you know, I could say, Well, Jayson Tatum is going to take the league.
00:45:35
Denver really is the team that you pointed out.
00:45:37
They are the team that I think Jamal Murray is probably a top 20 ish guy.
00:45:43
Say he takes another leap and that his growth continues.
00:45:46
He makes it to top 15.
00:45:49
Well, then you have a guy that's top six, top seven and Yokich and a top 15 guy.
00:45:54
So that team, I think next year has the obvious next step for them, and that's actually a bigger bounty.
00:46:00
Then say that the warriors out the Warriors? Sure.
00:46:03
I mean, I don't know what Clay is gonna look like.
00:46:04
Step is obviously a top player, but that Denver team is really going to be fighting with the big dog because of those two players.
00:46:11
I don't know. I I really have been buying them.
00:46:13
I thought that there their postseason was legit.
00:46:16
It did not feel like flukey or anything like that.
00:46:18
Like that team has got some some gusto.
00:46:22
Consistency.
00:46:23
Jamal Murray, right.
00:46:24
Like it looks like you showed it in the bubble.
00:46:26
Now, just about Hey, if you come out in this next season and you look like the same kind of I'm not talking or not talking about 45 point performances on a nightly basis, just consistency from from the scoring standpoint, night in, night, out throughout the season.
00:46:38
Then I think that then you start to really put them on that track.
00:46:41
The only other thing I I'm just curious about some of these lower muddling middle of the road ranked teams and your thoughts on them.
00:46:48
But what I will say is we talk about quiet Leonard, you say It's like, you know, no personality.
00:46:52
What is that team? Whatever.
00:46:54
I'm not gonna knock the guy for wanting to go back to from where he's from, but it's actually the case why his time in Toronto was successful, Right? You have a Kyle Lowry who has so much personality and and a van fleet, and then you compliment co I with lengthy guys in SIAC.
00:47:09
Um, and what could have been a developing? And it will be like, You know all those pieces around there like it's always easy again.
00:47:16
You want to go home, great, go home.
00:47:17
But in terms of what's the best collection of talent around me? Sometimes you almost, you know, you look into it, you look into finding the right spot for you, and then you go great. I'm good.
00:47:28
It's not unlike Jimmy Butler in Miami now, right? Like he bounces around these teams and I think successfully falls into what is a great scenario for him with that coach, that organization, etcetera.
00:47:39
So it's interesting.
00:47:40
It's interesting to think about some of those decisions you make.
00:47:42
If it's about personal, then I get it.
00:47:44
If it was about winning and legacy building and all that stuff because, remember, LeBron just won a title with his third team.
00:47:51
That's what Collide was potentially going for this year is, well, like he could have just maybe lived, lived with Toronto for another two years.
00:47:58
And it could have been right back there this year, playing the Lakers with the Toronto Raptors in the final so that that's just an interesting one.
00:48:04
Beyond that.
00:48:06
Are there any ones I know like it's getting into the weeds on some of these other ones, like, I think it makes sense with Rockets or tumbling there? 12.
00:48:12
I could make a case that there's a couple of teams that may be deserved to be even hired.
00:48:15
That could overtake them there, certainly.
00:48:17
But are there any of these, like back and teams? Are you? Uh, it's just about to get there like I was like, Phoenix.
00:48:25
Did they show you enough in that eight game? Almost play into the playoffs, where you go there really young and really talented and saying that they're the 19th team behind the pelicans, Grizzlies, the Pacers that Okay, see, like who you expect to lose, You know, Chris Paul like that.
00:48:42
I mean, what do you like about them? And like, how? How high do you think If you read these power rankings at the All Star break this upcoming season, where do you think Phoenix could be? I mean, I just look at, like the the Devin Booker Thing and and you look at some of the pieces around him.
00:48:58
Like I think McCall Bridges could really become like Take another leap next year and DeAndre Eating is just like suddenly has become one of them.
00:49:07
Or I had no interest in him in the first Couple, like, really his rookie season.
00:49:12
And now what kind of looked at him like he's? I don't know what he is, but he's a very unique player and a lot more unique than I thought he would end up being like.
00:49:21
He's just he's got a little more than meets that.
00:49:25
You see him and you're like, Oh, it's probably like a big bruising center and then you see him play a little bit, always gonna be kind of a LaMarcus Aldridge, but he's got some play making.
00:49:33
His defense has improved, too.
00:49:35
So he's an interesting player and I feel like what he does next year and what he becomes next year is what I think takes them up a little bit.
00:49:45
And they just have a nice collection of guys that make a ton of sense around Phoenix.
00:49:49
We talked about ways that they can improve.
00:49:52
One of the things is improved.
00:49:54
That Ricky Rubio spot, who I think probably makes more sense, is a backup.
00:49:58
I think he'd be Justus good like Look what Rondo's doing.
00:50:00
Why can't he become phoenixes? Rondo? Yeah, he's a little overpaid, but, I mean, whatever eso you bring in, like VanVleet who actually like a lot for them, put him next to a Devin Booker.
00:50:11
Devin Booker brings the ball up is primarily their point guard.
00:50:14
You have a VanVleet who's gonna play defense and he's gonna spot up and he's gonna get great looks off of Devin Booker.
00:50:22
I mean, that really feels like the spot for him, and that team has a lot of upside.
00:50:28
They feel like a team again.
00:50:29
We talk about teams that are going to do trades, teams there, waiting it out.
00:50:33
They feel like a team that's gonna be active in free agency because I think they can honestly talk themselves into being a lower seeded team, like if things really go well for them next year, what really is the difference between them and the Rockets like way accepted the Rockets as this, like perennial playoff Team West, Westbrook will be a year older.
00:50:52
Um, they are changing their coaching situation.
00:50:57
Harden is going to be a year older and has, I think, shown a slight dip in certain areas.
00:51:03
I just don't know if you're going to get the like.
00:51:05
He's averaging 40 for two months card in anymore.
00:51:08
It's just that's kinda hard for me to believe.
00:51:10
So you look at this.
00:51:12
The Suns team that is moving up.
00:51:15
The Rockets are trending down and they have a ton like huge workload on hard and like what really separates those teams other than oh, we think of the Rockets is just they're in the playoffs automatically.
00:51:26
They're gonna be there, I don't know.
00:51:28
And why.
00:51:29
A lot of young talent, right? Like Phoenix like, Yeah, it was like this grizzly ones, like I'm like, I know there's talent.
00:51:37
I'm like we see this every year here.
00:51:41
There's like a young team that does amazing in year one and then kind of comes back down to Earth, and it's usually one.
00:51:47
The Celtics have their draft picks like it's like, ironically, it just funneling in more talented the organization.
00:51:55
Well, the good part is that if the Celtics are these pics turned into, like, you know, picks 20 instead of fixed, whatever.
00:52:01
Eight and stuff like that.
00:52:02
But no, it's like all these teams that are ahead of the sons, like the Pacers find the thunder, like with the thunder at 15 when it really feels like Chris Paul is gonna be moved.
00:52:11
Okay, so here's Here's my Here's my Eastern Conference and you bring them to the sons my Eastern Conference team.
00:52:18
Health considered you just mentioned.
00:52:21
Okay, see, you've got marketing Carter Jr.
00:52:25
Why do you like them? Levin.
00:52:27
And now you've added in.
00:52:28
Billy Donovan is the head coach listed at 26 of the power rankings.
00:52:31
That's the kind of team that I think by All star break ish time.
00:52:35
You could be talking about where Phoenix is listed right now, 19 like top 20 kind of team in the Eastern Conference.
00:52:41
When you scroll down through this thing once you get back.
00:52:44
Listen, we're still gonna keep Philadelphia on talent alone after the Five seed.
00:52:49
Now you're into the Indiana Pacers.
00:52:50
The Orlando Magics of the world like Hawks.
00:52:53
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:56
Where the Hawks would love to be in that spot.
00:52:58
Like, I just think that the talent level is there.
00:53:01
And if all those guys stay healthy and again, you when I talk about like, coaching really does move the needle for me, I think it was a great move for Billy Donovan to for whatever okay sees thinking is we're going to rebuild this thing.
00:53:12
I would have kept Billy Donovan and rebuild it with Billy Donovan as opposed to jettison, you know, moving on.
00:53:17
And that's totally cool.
00:53:18
He goes to a great spot in what's supposed to be a major market in the n.
00:53:21
B A.
00:53:22
And I think that you're going to see this year be kind of that uptrend for them.
00:53:26
Now there's still there's still pieces away from, you know, being competitive in the biggest, biggest sense of the word.
00:53:33
But I think that you could see them getting themselves back into playoff conversation consistently over the next three or four years.
00:53:40
Yeah, no there.
00:53:41
I mean, do you look at the bottom of the east e of the booth in the east? It's just kind of a table that falls off.
00:53:50
Yeah, like the magic are missing.
00:53:52
Isaac next year, Um, you have the Pacers who are probably gonna lose all the depo.
00:53:58
So then your team becomes Sabonis and his Myles Turner.
00:54:01
I feel like miles teller and gets built.
00:54:02
I think he's probably gonna get traded.
00:54:04
Um, so you have their team becomes Sabonis and Brogden, which is, like, weirdly kind of a fun team.
00:54:11
Like I actually think that always are always, you know, But it's like you look at all these teams and you have, like, what you could you make the case that I don't like? Who is the team that's gonna jump? I would have to be the Hawks and the Bulls.
00:54:27
I actually think the Bulls like I don't even think Donovan is necessarily like this great, great coach.
00:54:34
I didn't think he was awesome in these playoffs, and I actually felt like more of their success this year could be attributed to what Chris Paul kind of brought like.
00:54:43
He just came in and again Culture Center came in said, Hey, we're gonna play my way and we're gonna be this slow mid range team and it works because Chris Paul is awesome.
00:54:55
And that's just how it's gonna work.
00:54:57
Billy Donovan, I think, is a good coach.
00:55:00
But the upgrade from Jim Boylan to Billy Donovan? Yeah, like there you go.
00:55:07
Like that's the lead.
00:55:08
Like, yeah, like this is gonna be one of those things where it's like It's like when Milwaukee had what was his name, the interim coach who coached that first year.
00:55:20
Oh, man.
00:55:21
What was, uh uh man, I should I almost wanna look this up, but I'm going to do it.
00:55:26
Clucks. Interim coach.
00:55:29
And it was against Let me look your crunchy Joe Prunty.
00:55:36
So you have Joe Prunty to Mike Budenholzer? Who? What? Yeah, well, I think basically know about the organization Jason Kidd to print e to Mike Budenholzer like I feel like the growth from that.
00:55:51
Just like going from a chi or Mark Jackson to Steve Kerr, like sometimes just putting somebody competent, who knows what they're doing a little bit and it's just gonna be like, Hey, we're all on the same page.
00:56:05
I'm actually not gonna, like, you know, bad mouth, my best player to the media or whatever.
00:56:11
What's going on with Levine eso like, if you just have somebody that's gonna come thing is better than being in a bad having a bad season.
00:56:19
You're the head coach.
00:56:20
You're having an awful season and you're like, You know what it is, though, if I could be clear guys, it's the guy that the organization really loves and wants to build around.
00:56:30
Yeah, he's most of the problem, and it's not necessarily May I'm gonna head out for a couple of days.
00:56:34
You let me know once you shipped in out of town like it's just that I think that's more my point.
00:56:38
Like to your point, I don't know where I put what I put Billy Donovan on the spectrum of coaches in the league.
00:56:42
It's not.
00:56:43
I could probably get 89 10 guys up ahead of them before I get to him and at the same time, just be stable, stabilize this team, give consistency, have that team be healthy and they'll be exciting.
00:56:53
And, like you said, when you look at those envy.
00:56:55
When you look at the n b A and you look at the East, I just look at it and I say, Okay, we, like, said Brooklyn's gonna take a jump like the Magic, the Hornets, the Wizard And then it's the Bulls.
00:57:03
And by the way, like the Magic had 33 wins like that, that is 11 wins more than the Bulls had.
00:57:09
But Hornets and Wizards.
00:57:10
They won 23 25 games apiece.
00:57:12
Like the Wizards, are you talking about team with injuries that are hoping like they're hoping that they have Bradley Beal there and that John Wall comes back? A guy that feels like he hasn't played in a decade like I don't see that they're just automatically going to jump up there.
00:57:26
So from a talent perspective, Chicago could you could sneak in there and being eighth or seventh seed, you know, in the Eastern Conference and hang your hat on the fact that you got there for the first time in a handful of years.
00:57:36
Yeah, like, have guys used correctly, so, like they have a front court that makes a lot of sense.
00:57:40
If you look at it on paper you have window Carter, who is a little bit of a playmaking big.
00:57:43
You can kind of use them like a bam and you run those like dribble handoffs.
00:57:47
Good passer.
00:57:48
Use them on the short role.
00:57:49
Then you have marketing who fits really well.
00:57:51
It's actually kind of a miracle that they work better like that.
00:57:53
Marketing had such a bad year.
00:57:55
He's not like a great shooter, But he is, I think, in the right system, and part of it is that they need to get a guy who, like, moves the ball a little bit better.
00:58:03
Like they just have to guards that the ball just gets stuck like Kobe White.
00:58:08
His playmaking improved, I think is the year went, but Billy Donovan and Chris Paul reunite.
00:58:15
Yeah, I wouldn't that be funny if he went toe.
00:58:17
If you went Thio Chicago, they had the ways to do it like they have ways to improve their young team.
00:58:23
I still really like that front court.
00:58:25
I kind of refused to give up on that front court and there's enough talent at the guard position.
00:58:30
But they, you know, again like little little fringe moves, they could do, and they have a smart guy who's, you know, that worked in Denver's front office and has, by all accounts, earned really rave reviews across the league.
00:58:41
Um, he, I think, will be able to assess the situation pretty quickly on then.
00:58:48
Just a little footnote here.
00:58:49
Six out of the bottom seven teams in the power rankings in the Eastern Conference, just in case you're wondering where where things still stand in terms of the power.
00:58:58
Yeah, so just that's that.
00:58:59
That's that final footnote.
00:59:00
It's a bunch of guys in the bottom of scrapheap trying to claw their way out.
00:59:03
It'll be great.
00:59:04
It's gonna be a fun year in the East.
00:59:06
It's gonna be really another classic.
00:59:08
Uh, all right, I would think we've hit a nice, nice chunk of Think we're good.
00:59:13
I think we wanted got double time.
00:59:15
No big deal here.
00:59:16
Um, Adam, this was fun.
00:59:18
I'll be catching you later this week.
00:59:21
Anything coming up on your channel? Oh, gosh.
00:59:25
Well, if you're into another sport, you wanna watch NFL? I'll be over on the Tuesday night pre game.
00:59:32
This evening.
00:59:33
You can check in with me and Ray Ralph covering the Titans taking on the other teams that they're playing again.
00:59:41
So obviously, I'm already prepared.
00:59:43
Ready for that? But you got that stuff on Friday.
00:59:46
It will be good as well.
00:59:47
You can check that out.
00:59:48
You were wrong with me last week.
00:59:49
So we're just trying to do some things around the off season and start to dive into more specific nets content there and what they're gonna look to dio other than that will be back on Thursday.
00:59:57
I just don't search my name.
00:59:58
Just find me on here.
00:59:59
I'm doing a lot of stuff.
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And if I had the ability, I tell you that they're playing a team of God, Matt.
01:00:06
That's all right. I didn't know Joe Protease name.
01:00:08
So you know, you are forgivable.
01:00:09
Fills Titan's woo.
01:00:12
Yeah, they're good, right? Yeah.
01:00:15
Undefeated man, they're They're right.
01:00:16
A ride on the gravy train. Josh.
01:00:18
Matt Brooks, NFL.
01:00:19
Look at that expanding brand.
01:00:22
Know nothing about football.
01:00:24
Yeah, check.
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Check me out as well.
01:00:26
I have a Lakers stream tomorrow, which will be fun.
01:00:31
Um, yeah, I I just last I get my last little grip of the season.
01:00:36
It'll it'll be a little bit of season talk.
01:00:38
Probably talking a lot about future moves.
01:00:40
Ways that they can improve.
01:00:42
Um, which I think will be fun.
01:00:44
I'm really excited for that because I'm I'm of the of the mind that they can improve.
01:00:49
And, uh, I think a lot of people don't wanna talk about that.
01:00:52
But I'm sure this Lakers guess will be very eager to talk about how great the Lakers could be next year.
01:00:57
So it'll be fun.
01:00:58
So little adjustments.
01:01:00
That will be happening tomorrow night. E.
01:01:03
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01:01:04
We will see you.
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I'll be on tomorrow doing SportsCastr news.
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