I'm ambivalent to it.
I once the Clippers got eliminated and I settled myself on the Lakers victory because there aren't teams with two players better than Anthony Davis and LeBron James.
I mean, those are gonna be your best players in any Siri's.
So I kind of resigned myself to the Lakers.
Winning it all? Yeah.
I mean, yeah, it kind of like shook out like once.
I saw the Yeah, like that, the Nuggets thing.
I was just like, Okay, I kind of feel like I know where this is going, and then I I personally that the Celtics were gonna come out.
So I was like, I was sort of ready for that finals and the heat thing just threw me off.
This was just like the playoffs of me.
Just like having no idea what was going on basically completely wild, which I guess is it's either the bubble or I don't know anything, which it's probably the latter of the two might be a bit of both.
Yeah, I'll give myself a little cutie.
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We are in day one of the off season, and already we're kind of full steam ahead.
So, um, obviously, since this is a pelicans writer blogger, what do you prefer to go by? Yeah.
You know, I think both terms air fairly accurate.
I e guess ****ysts is a term I prefer, but writer is probably more accurate.
I like it. Yeah, let's do ****ysts.
Well, that sounds really professional for the both of us.
So two ****ysts, a pelicans ****yst, Annette's ****ysts.
They meet in a bar or an online zoom call.
And of course, the conversation is naturally going to be drew holiday.
So, um, look, I there's a bunch of teams that I think have intriguing pieces and options for the pelicans.
But before we even go into that, what do you think is the biggest thing that they need going forward? Because I think that's a good way to decipher exactly where the pelicans may go with this.
I think the biggest thing the pelicans need going forward is flat out more talent.
I think when you have a young core of Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram, you're pretty malleable in the direction you wanna take your team and construct your roster.
So kind of acquiring the most talent, whether it's in the form of young players or, you know, productive older players or even draft picks that can lead to players by a trade or through the draft.
Um, just putting yourself in a position to really maximize that title window when Zion turns into the player he's built to be, you know, 34 years from now.
So is there a specific position you're looking for? You just like all in on just anything that really that's just gonna bring up the ceiling and floor, I guess, a bit, Yeah, I think at this point, the pelicans can't afford to be choosy in terms of positional needs.
Obviously, Zion and Ingram both play the forward spots, but I think Ingram is versatile.
Enoughto slide over to the to.
If you want to downsize a little bit and you know if you have a really good ball handler or lead guard, their thio kind of take this playmaking duties and you want to insert, Let's say, Ah, versatile wing in between Zion and Ingram, I think that's very doable lineup.
I think those I think the size and versatility of the players allows you to be creative.
So, yeah, I don't think the pelicans should be picky when it comes to taking talent, even if it is redundant.
Is there any reason eso One of the things I kind of like I struggle with a little bit before we actually get into like packages is a lot of the times I feel like what I'm looking for.
The perfect through holiday package, um, the best guy and the perfect guy for the pelicans is drew holiday.
That's the Onley pause I have with them trading him because I feel like he is the perfect peace for them.
Can he be like that? Kyle Lowry, veteran Peace? I don't know, but that's the pause that I have a lot.
And that's actually the weird thing that I have with the Nets, for example, like I just for them, I would rather have I drew holiday the pelicans.
I mean, I would rather keep Drew holiday than bring in somebody like it did with your current Sylbert.
Yeah, that's the pause the team itself has, right? So the Nets and the heat kind of sniffed around.
The Nuggets sniffed around Drew Holiday, both at the trade deadline.
You know, they had some teams circling, and the projection the team put out was, Look, we like, true.
We kind of We want to keep him here, blow us away, and we'll listen, but we're not going to move him for the sake of moving him.
We every team needs a versatile defender who can create his own offense, create offense for others, uh, and just is a solid player all around.
Every team needs a true holiday.
He fits on whatever team you want him to, including the pelicans.
And so I think the pelicans are more than happy trying to keep him.
I think, in fact, I suspect they're going to try to work out an extension with him this summer, and and obviously I think, here's here's how I think it's going to happen.
I'm gonna go to him.
And then we're gonna ask him, What does he want out of this future? And I think they're gonna put both options on the table.
Look, if you want to go to team, that's more ready to contend, will try to find a place for you or if you, If you want to lock in here, here's an extension.
Um, let's see what we got when it doesn't have to be a long term extension extension, it could be 23 years, right? He's a player option coming up.
You had two years on top of that.
That's essentially three more years.
You know he'll be like 33 ish at the end of the 34.
Um, and it may be his last opportunity.
Secure that really big payday and Drew holidays, the type of player that has never really asked for the bright lights or, ah, huge market.
And he's fine being who he is.
He's comfortable in his own skin, so I think whatever happens withdrew ultimately is going to involve a lot of input from him.
It's funny, I brought up Lowry, so it'll be kind of that situation where you think it will be a shorter term thing.
And then from there, he kind of discerning and it's even a movable contract.
And I think what the extension allows you to do is if you need to trade him, it gives you more leeway rather than you have this.
Oh, Drew is gonna be a free agent in one year, hanging over your head and it takes away your leverage.
So there will be a date in time when we have a definite a definite answer as to what is going on.
It all be based on.
I guess an extension that will be offered and an agent will either say this is something we're interested in or not, and that information will leak out.
Um, let's talk about some of the teams that are in the mix.
You mentioned the heat, the Nuggets, the Nets.
I have the bucks, which would be, I guess, something like a some salary.
And and Dante DiVincenzo I guess, uh, Philly, which I think is a total X factor.
It would either be one of Harris or Horford.
Or maybe, I mean, I don't think they're gonna move either one of Simmons there and being, in fact, I would be shocked if that happened.
But maybe something crazy like that happens.
And then I guess the Clippers who expect to be aggressive.
The other one I had circled is the is the Warriors.
Um, anybody in there you think is you would almost count out immediately.
Or do you think that they all have intriguing packages that if depending upon what the pelicans would want to do and where they want to go? Yeah, I think in terms off the strength of packages or potential packages, the Clippers and the Sixers probably have the worst.
And that's that's under the assumption the stars air off the table, right? You know, they're not moving, collide.
They're not moving Paul George and then Ben Simmons and be there, move with those two guys.
So assuming those guys were off the table, which is a very fair assumption, I don't think those teams necessarily have the juice in terms of young players and draft picks.
Get the get the trade done.
But, you know, Steve Bomber is a crazy man.
Anything is on the table when you're discussing Bomber, you know? Is he going to send out Lou Williams and Pat Bev and all these players for for a picks or, you know, some other assets and then use that to intern.
Pursue true holidays.
Are are they actually tired of Paul George? You know, like, what's gonna happen is are they going to try to sign and trade Montrezl Harrell and get something back? You know, there there's an infinite number of possibilities for them to get creative.
I don't just because of the difficulty of it.
I don't I don't see it likely.
You know, um, so I'm kind of keeping them, uh, at the bottom of the list.
And then, you know, the sixers again, they're in a similar situation where they kind of blew all their draft capital trying to acquire Tobias Harris.
And they don't really have premium young talent. They have.
Like what? Shake Milton in Matisse title, who are fine.
You know, they're they're fine, right? Yeah, court wise.
And, um, you know, those guys air are probably gonna end up productive players on teams, but, you know, are they really big needle movers? I'm not quite sure.
They What? You wanna build a package around? Not feeling to me personally.
Who's your top three? Is it the Is it the three that were sniffing around? I think so.
Well, I think I have to consider the Nets the front runner, not because I'm doing a podcast.
You specifically I'm not trying to cater, not trying to play to the audience.
But I think in terms off, you know, when you look at aggression, which teams are going to be aggressively pursuing stars? Um, which teams have a smaller title window than than others? You know which teams have the most versatile trade packages.
You check off these boxes in the net.
That's kind of check off all of them, right? And with Kevin Durant coming off an Achilles injury and Chire ease injury history being what it is, um, there's no guarantee that, you know those guys signed four year Max is that you guys are going to have a window much longer than four years, you know, one year, ones already off the books.
You got three more years.
Um, thes things happen very quickly.
And so if if the goal is to win titles well, drew holiday makes an incredibly good fit with those two players, uh, the ability to play off the ball on the ball when one of them is resting.
You know the ability to kind of Hey, you wanna go to put up points against, Ah, bad team in February? Go do that.
The ability to defend the best perimeter player period on the opposing team.
You know, Drew will do that.
Not only is he okay with doing that, he asked for that responsibility.
You know, when the pelicans play the Lakers, he asked to guard Anthony Davis.
He shared a past that he's like, I'm gonna guard aid and it's like, what? You know, you're 6 ft four and what's going on.
And it was fine.
Um, and so, you know, obviously going to hurt him defensively like the LeBron's of the world.
But those players hurt everyone defensively, so that's more of a team game plan.
But, you know, barring those handful of players that are just matchup nightmares from anyone, you can put drew on any given player and be comfortable one on one.
Just be comfortable the whole game and not worry about him giving up defensively.
Anyth which of the Nets players or um or interest.
Like if there's a mix of guys that could be involved, it could be prints.
It could be Jared Allen.
It could be careful.
Avert. It could be Spencer Dinwiddie.
Who's the guy you're kind of circling as is it? The obvious Caris Levert thing? Are you looking at somebody else? Yeah, I think you know not to overthink things.
I think Revert has to be, Ah, centerpiece of the package.
And you know, this is I don't want to upset to too many Nets fans, but I think it's going to take a long just Levert e think Levert made tremendous strides at the back half of the season and he had really promising playing the bubble as kind of that lead guard, creating for others.
But what The concerns that come with the avert are the same reasons.
And Nets would kind of be wanting to move him.
Is that okay? What is his role off the ball? How effective can he be when he doesn't have the ball, you know, for half the game or the whole game and is in orchestrating everything? Um, you know, where where is his defensive ceiling? What does he how does he feel fit in with two high usage players with the Nets, Kyrie and K D.
And you know, with the pelicans, it's it's income and design.
We're just better offensive players.
Um, so those concerns are still gonna be there.
And, you know, do you get the overt that was averaging? You know, 17 18 points a game on barely 50% shooting? Or do you get the live earth that was putting up 25 a game over the last 20 or so games of the season on much better efficiency? You know, it's it's It's difficult to project that out without knowing how comfortable he is off the ball.
Well, and I'll tell you right now, it's It's not, I mean, so there has been a couple of different instances.
He was actually better than people give him credit for, I think early on in the season, um next to Kyrie and added some pretty nice games.
There were a couple of really potent performances from the both of them.
The issue is the defense of thing, like when you're playing him next to another like a really a small guard who has issues, getting around screens at certain points, the points where he's like, really, that he's not the point of attack defender.
He's guarding guys that are coming around screens.
That's where it's such a weakness for him.
So that's where I kind of have pauses like I don't know what that does for pelicans team that really struggled defensively.
Now you also to take into account.
They are gonna bring in a different head coach, and I think that could make a big, big deal.
But that's where I have a little bit of pause, and I also don't think you can reduce his role to match because, I mean, he came off the bench this year when coming back from injury and then the year before, when he came back from injury.
It's just not as good in that role.
Um, so that's that's where I have a little bit of pause, right? And so it's like you said it's that issue where okay, one of the pelicans need Republicans need someone that can create for himself and others in the half court right and and then they need someone who is not a liability on defense.
Well, who does that better than Drew holiday.
That's out there, and it's so it's like, Why would you move through holiday? But you know, it's it's this.
It's a situation where offer presents itself.
You're not going to get higher value and Drew than probably now you know me.
Maybe if you lock in that extension, you have this conversation at the deadline or next free agency and the values a little bit higher.
But, um, you know, it's it's really over the next 12 months or so where you're probably gonna extract peak value from true if you're if you're going to move and so avert.
I like him a lot as a player.
I'm actually intrigued, I think, as faras him playing with another small guard.
The pelicans don't have any small guards for him to play with, so that's a plus, you know, if they keep that the pelicans keep Alonso on investing.
Lonzo, um, in a vacuum, a liver, it lonzo backcourts.
Pretty intriguing, Um, in the sense that Lonzo he's not really a half court player, but he's a really good transition, um, connector of sorts where you get him the ball and he moves it really quickly doesn't stick with him, you know, whereas Levert, you need his ability to create something out of nothing.
When when things get tough, because the pelicans, they were the worst team in the clutch.
Uh, this whole year they had, like, a negative 40 net rate.
It was something absurd.
It was like, historically bad in the clutch.
And part of that was like they didn't really people that were generating their offense, one because there wasn't a clear our hierarchy of Okay, who's going to get the ball? That kind of like Lonzo is supposed to be the the fact that point guard.
And, you know, I could go on the whole spiel about Lonzo.
He's not a point guard.
He's not a guy that's gonna create offense when and the highest leverage moments.
And Levert clearly can be that person, Um, but so in that regard, the fit with those who is really good.
But it's just one of those like egos where if you have those two on the court, is Lonza going to be willing to accept that he's not like a natural point guard? He's more of like a playmaking wing of sorts.
You know he's three.
He honestly, that's what it strikes me as s.
So that's the you wrote a really good article on this two where you sort of it was kind of discerned a little bit between the connector and creator role, and I think I mean a It's a really that was a sound piece, but it is an interesting way to look at him like he's a weird.
I think we're a year away from, like, really understanding what he is and like where he fits in an offense and a defense.
So it might just be a time and well, it's unfortunate because it's a contra friend and and he's up for re restricted free agency here.
And so is this going to be the year? Alonso, you know, settles into the role? I don't think so.
I think he's going to do whatever you can to get 2025 year.
Um, because that's kind of the going rate for starting point guards, right? And he that's he signed with clutch.
Why do you slime a clutch to get the most money possible? Um, so that's that's kind of issue with Lonzo If if the pelicans keep Alonso, um you know, being interesting fable avert if they don't keep Lonzo.
I really like the Josh Hart fit next to him.
Um, I think you know, Josh Hart is a player that every team meets.
He's just I do it all gritty.
You know, um, he does all the dirty work.
He rebounds like crazy.
He's a low usage player.
Indeed, Toe like the bill, like right, you know, like so how Danny Green basically operated for the Lakers.
Um, and Danny Green wasn't that great of a shooter this year.
So Josh are was around 36% from three.
You know, he makes open threes, he can hit the open threes, and he can push the ball in transition, defend multiple positions and just the salt.
Just the glue guy that every team needs.
And I think when you have ah, a guy that's gonna eat possessions like liver guys that are gonna get a lot of possessions, like in German and Zion.
Heart is a good, low usage guy to throw into that mix.
Eso I'm intrigued by by that construction.
Well, I'm sure we're gonna do more Nets pelican stuff.
He's It's just inevitably gonna happen, especially with one of the former Nets coaches being in the mix for this pelicans gig.
Um, the one that's intriguing to me a little bit.
And I think it's the one that I would look at really is the most threatening to what the Nets are potentially putting out there.
And it's not gonna be a Tyler hero deal.
I don't even know if he'd be on the table.
Um, the Nuggets are interesting.
So that was that was the hold up.
That was the hold up at the trade deadline.
Yeah, I don't know if that would happen now, especially exactly.
So it's like, Okay, they just came off of finals run herald.
Performed really well, um, through a lot of stretches.
Obviously, he you know, he had his weaknesses, but he's, like, 1920 years old, right? You expect that Teoh improve, But that was, uh you know, if they put her on the table at the deadline, the deal would have been done in February.
Yeah, Drew would have been in Miami, and who knows? Maybe I'm not me.
Miami is still playing right now.
I'm not sure Harold played really well.
I don't know how the other Siri's turned out without hair.
You know, I'm not saying there is a better player, but, uh, it's it's interesting to see what would have happened if Miami just put hair on the table.
No, that is interesting.
I mean, they had a couple.
They had the Gallinari that he was like, It was gonna be like they had a bunch of guys that really, I think I mean, I'm sure internally, like they weren't even expecting to go to a Sfar as they really did.
The one that's intriguing to me is the Nuggets.
Like if they put Michael Porter Jr in and maybe like a Gary Harris to match salaries, you're kind of getting like a very, extremely discounted version.
It's feels disrespectful.
You have a guy that plays the same position as True Holiday and could defend like him, not getting anywhere close to anything else.
But you at least have a guy that once upon a time get into three and could defend pretty well.
And in Porter Jr is just like the ultimate X factor like I don't know, I don't know.
I'm sure the Nuggets are high on him.
But are they looking at this guy as a a guy that I mean, if they really feel like their windows in one of the next two or three years? Is that a guy that makes a ton of sense for them right away? That's the one that I think is really, really intriguing.
Which one would you look at? And do you have a preference between Caris Levert or Michael Porter Jr.
Michael Porter Jr scares the crap out of me in terms of his medicals.
I think there's a reason he fell that far.
There's a reason the doctors and the Clippers had this guy might not ever play again.
And I frankly, I think he scares the crap out of the Nuggets as well.
In terms of his his medical, you can't and so the pelicans have always, you know, historically been one of the most injured teams ever.
And so I don't know if, as ah, someone that's attached to the team I could take more of like, Oh, you have this really promising prospect who's just hurt all the time.
Um, but I think the talents on deniable I do think that Porter Jr is a better asset than Laverne.
You got more cost control for a longer period of time.
There is the higher upside Libertes 26.
Now, I think, um and so I think you You make that if reporters use in in the trade, you make it just for the asset play, and you kind of figure out Okay, well, we build is to me.
What I would do is I would bill this value as much as I possibly can and look to flip up in for that true third piece.
Uh, that that fits the team.
You know, whether it's, you know, sorry, sons, fans, if you're listening or are wolves fans.
But you know, like three years from now, let's say Devin Booker is on the table or Karl Anthony towns is on the table.
Well, I have an opportunity to flip the litany of picks I got from the Lakers.
Some of the young players already having, you know, let's say Porter Jr is the focal point of that trade.
That's something I would want to do going forward and I think it's easier to do with a guy like Porter Jr than it is with liberty at that point in time.
No, I mean, that's That's a very valid point.
I mean, do you Do you have a sense for, like what? They're what? What do they look at internally, like where their window is like, Are they shooting right away? Do they feel like this? Is it or do you feel like they're really trying to push it out and try to be a little more? I guess have a long term view down that lens a little bit.
They being the pelicans and Republicans.
I think the pelicans want to be in meaningful games now, But I think they recognize that the true title window, the true contention, Windows, a little bit of ways.
I think they would prefer they don't want. They want to be the Hawks.
They don't They don't want to be in a situation where okay, like yeah, like so what? We got trade young.
We got our corpse peace.
But we're still gonna lose a bunch of games, try to get more court pieces.
I don't think they wanna be that I think, if anything, they prefer to be where Memphis was this year.
In the sense where you know you have Jaya.
You have Jared Jackson Jr.
Some other young pieces.
But you got some solid vets, um, in balance units.
And you know, you were eighth seed for most of the year.
Um, up until the very end.
Eso just in that situation where you're kind of turn the keys over to young players.
Yet you have a sprinkling of solid vets that are gonna make you a good team.
And you're really competing.
You're you're out there competing for the bottom.
You know, two or three seeds of the Western Conference there even were.
Okay, See, Was this German okay? He ended up being much better than anyone expected.
But you know when when? Okay is he was, you know, seventh seed or so eight seed.
Um, I think the pelicans wannabe their fifth seed if they could get there like Okay, so he got Okay, So you got there this year. Fantastic.
Um, but I don't think I don't think they're going to artificially try to reach.
I think they will rely on their on their core pieces to get them there.
I don't think they're gonna like all of a sudden start shelling out picks to go get players for a short term and just to chase the mates.
You don't think they do that.
So it sounds like you're in the camp of like they are not.
They're just operating in a mode where they're not necessarily rush. They're not panicked.
And if anything, you're looking at what the market is providing for them.
It's it seems like you're leaning towards Drew is going to be there throughout this next year.
Basketball calendar year.
Oh, that's a tough question.
I was much as I want Drew to be there.
I think I lean the opposite direction.
I I do think he's moved.
I think there I do think they're going to try to work out an extension with him.
But I think just the way the market is going to be, I think someone is going to blow them away.
I think that trade offer is going to be there.
I think when you look at the Lakers, yeah, they kind of like ran through everyone, but they looked when you stack them up against title contenders every single year.
Like they're not this overwhelmed.
They're not the Warriors, you know.
They're not this, like, we're terrified of Lakers.
At least I'm not terrified after the Lakers in that regard.
And so I think teams and contenders they're gonna talk themselves into.
Yeah, If we have Drew, let's make a push for it.
The Lakers had ridiculously good health this year.
You know, all it takes is certain opportunity for us to push to the finals and win a championship.
That's all it takes, you know.
And so I think that that offer is going to be there.
So? So right now we got a bunch of people on right now, What you're telling me is they are They are going to trade him.
And right now, your favorite package is gonna include some amalgamation of nets assets.
I'm just I'm just linking.
Yeah, Yeah, that's accurate.
Yeah, I say, you know, like like when you look at the individual likelihoods, Okay, so if the likelihood of the event of Drew holiday being traded more likely or less likely, I lean more like that.
It's gonna be traded and then in that event, of all the possible destinations he has, I think the Nets are the most likely now.
So obviously, you know, with probabilities, you gotta multiply them.
So if there was, like, you know, um, you know, like, a 50% 60% chance he's being traded and then there's, like, a 20% chance the Nets are, like a favorite or something, you know, over over the field.
Then you gotta multiplies the all those outcomes and the actual probability of the Nets is really low.
I'm being really nerdy here.
E trying to temper the e.
I'm trying trying, trying to temper the expectation, e think.
I think ultimately, you know, of all the destinations, I think the nets make the most sense.
Phone it in league office.
We got it done right here.
Right on a call.
Um, through the coaching candidates.
Speaking of the nets, uh, you you did a nice little outline of some of the candidates.
Lou was the one that seemed, like was really picking up steam.
You've described it a little bit.
It's almost like a fallback option.
Is that fair for the pelicans right now is he's looking at other things.
So it's not a fall back from the pelicans perspective, I think the pelicans.
So, you know, there's been this kind of dance around Tyler Lulu, where there was actually, like, buzz around the pelicans media sphere, like Tyler might be the coach in February, back in February.
You know, uh, and I think Joe Vardon of the athletic reported that if Liu was available, like, if you was a free agent and not an assistant coach with the Clippers, um, the pelicans probably would have fired Alvin around December when they went on their 13 game losing streak and hired him.
Then, um so said the report, right.
None of this is considered what Tyler you actually wants and what Tyler, who actually wants and something I've heard consistently from many people is Tyler wants I'm already roster than the pelicans.
You know, that's why he really, really wanted to go to Brooklyn.
And money, Brooke, Right? Money, obviously.
He wants me paid like a championship coach.
Um, and he's not afraid to walk away from less money s.
Oh, yeah. He really wanted to go to Brooklyn.
That was his first choice, and Brooklyn picked up Steve Nash.
He really wanted to go to Philly, and his boss ended up replacing him as a candidate there and Walla.
His options started dwindling.
Well, okay, now there's the Clippers, and like we mentioned earlier with Steve Bomber, anything is on the table like, Is this guy gonna spend $20 million on Coach K like, Is this guy going to do anything is on the table.
I think like that's the kind of scope you have to work with.
And so you know he is Thailand actual favorite there, and he's been the favorite in six different spots and hasn't gotten the job, so I don't know.
He's become like the new Van Gundy's like every time there's a new exact new rumor, it's gonna be Van Gundy and whoever.
Exactly, and then with Houston, I'm sure he would like to go to Houston.
But man, with with everything that's out there about the Rockets owner, Tilman Fertitta, uh, I just cannot imagine them paying Tyler what Tyler wants, It just seems unlikely.
And so you know, that really kind of leaves the Pelicans and the Clippers And if the Clippers going a different direction, Is Tyler kind of like tuck his tail and end up on the pelicans? I don't know, you know? And then at that point, does David Griffin try to squeeze a better deal.
You know, like, we'll give you less money, but more years. I don't know.
I don't know how that's going to play out.
Um, but yeah, I think for the longest time, Liu has been trying to go anywhere.
But e do you think he'd, like, wait out? Just, like, not grab a gig this year and just kind of wait it first go to the pelicans, Or do you think he's just, like, going to just take something? I think he I think he'd be.
It's kind of like when you apply to college like you're fine.
Going to your safe. Yeah.
You're fine. Going to your safety school.
You don't really, you know, like I'm apply to Harvard and Yale.
I guess I'll go tell issue.
You know, I'm cutting that clip out.
I'm gonna be like all the safety called the pelicans.
The safety school.
Um, um who else do you like his other options.
Other guys that have been ruined.
Brett Brown, Jason Kidd, your Jason Kidd guy, bro.
But no, thank you, no, I will write if Jason Kidd is a coach.
All right for you, right? No.
Strong strongly against Jason Kidd, strongly against Mark Jackson.
Yeah, I would prefer I would prefer someone who's a little bit on the younger side.
That's not really a qualification, but it's more of like to say like, Okay, Mike D'Antoni, 70 years old, while you know offensively, he'd be, Ah, pretty good coach for the Pelicans.
I'm not sure how big of an upgrade he is over Alvin Gentry, who that's a very similar system.
And you know, he Dantonio only wants to coach two or three more years, I think, he said in an interview.
And I want someone that's going to ideally be a long term culture center for Zion for for the next half decade or more.
Eso, that's that's kind of what I'm looking for is a long term marriage, and and if you look at kind of like the has bins a re treads or whatnot, you know? Yeah, if you're Brett Brown, you have Kenny Atkinson, former Net coach.
Um, I'm a pretty big fan of standing Van Gundy.
I think he obviously he's a brilliant ****yst.
He's been really good on the air and on podcast.
But you kind of talk to people around the league.
They rave about his ability toe.
Have players prepared? Um, players rave about that.
Tua's well, he's got a lot of fans.
People loved working for him in Detroit.
Um, apparently, And so he is also, um, is a bit of a perfectionist on DSO.
It's a very type A personality, and I don't know if that works all the time, But I do think the pelicans need mawr of that than what they have with Alvin Gentry, which is more of a lazy, fair approach, and and so I think they're gonna go more of that direction.
So I'm a big fan of Stan.
I like Darvin Ham of the Bucks a lot.
Uh, he's, Ah, very intriguing candidate, and I don't think there are many others I feel particularly strongly about.
I suspect you know they're gonna enter interview or have interviewed the top tier assistance that have always been in coaching interviews.
So, like David Vanderpool West us led, Um, you know, those guys the Republicans are probably going to consider At some point I'd be and I'd be fine with those guys.
You know, I think coaching is how the front office and ownership really empowers coaching and in the totality of their staff is, well, I don't think it's a one guy, one job type of thing.
And, you know, you could probably send if Steve Kerr, who? When he before he was hired by the Warriors, he was.
Basically, you're done deal with the Knicks, right? If he ended up with the Knicks, is even coaching at this point is you have another coaching job.
You know not many good things and so right.
And so to me, it's It's that organizational commitment on backing.
That's super important.
And I think it's there with Republicans.
I think the ownership is all in.
I think David Griffin is all in and so kind of finding the right guy toe they're going to support um just longest is not Jason Kidd.
I'm I'm cool with it.
Um, what do you think of Kenny? This is our not This is our second intersection.
I feel like I feel like Kenny.
You Onley hear good things about Kenny.
I feel like, you know, Spencer, Dignity, the Ends or Russell.
You know, those guys, uh, really liked how can he them and really respected to him, And they bought into what he had to say.
So I think from that standpoint and the fact that he has a good player development history and and he he fits what the front office is looking for, our front office is pretty ****ytically inclined.
They want someone, spouses, those values as well.
Uh, he takes a lot of boxes.
Um, I do feel like this is gonna sound weird.
I do feel like he's the safety school pick for the pelicans.
Safe, safe deception.
The safety exception.
So, like, you know, if the pelicans were toe have, ah, safety school in the Kenny Kenny Hackett's And in my opinion, which is pretty sad school, you know, a pretty solid coach.
I you know, I don't know how much you wanna hold against Kennedy Atkinson what Kyrie Irving had to say and and how the stars reacted to him.
But you know, I will say this.
The pelicans with Zion.
You know, Zion himself is a very coachable young player, but everything that comes with him, the media, the attention, the constant news cycles, all of that.
It's It's a massive weight, Um, and so I think whatever coach comes in is going to need to be a strong personality.
He was able to handle all of that.
Um, I haven't heard anything about Kenny to say he's not that guy.
He there's a lot of structure with Kenny, which is why I brought this up specifically because a lot of the things that you said about stand I'm not gonna say he's a good A stamping Gundy.
But if you want a little bit more of a structured, tell it like it is personality like that's Kenny Atkinson.
That's like one of his really, really big and by and large, uh, impressive characteristics.
It translated a lot to like.
You look at the way they performed on defense for the last two years like that was.
None of these teams were good defensively.
I think a lot of that is just buying like you could do what you want.
You can throw zone, you could throw man to man, but really, it's just buying and having expectations set for your players, I think, is a lot of the times, really what you need.
That's really where I thought he showed up.
I'm a big Kenny Atkinson fan. Personally.
I mean, that's Twitter tells me that he's Atkinson Love's own eso eso.
It seems like zone is the new You know what it's like the new It's the new ice, you know, it's like zone zone zone.
Yeah, you know, it's, uh and so, yeah, I think I consent, especially if he brings that structure would be a really good fit, especially because a guy like Brandon Ingram who he needs that structure for him, especially on that defensive end.
For him to be good, he's a very good offensive player.
But, you know, putting him in more structure and just getting giving him specific instructions, giving him or defined role on what to do on defense would make a world of difference because, you know, part of the reason why the pelicans were really bad on defense is because I in and income are just dreadful on that end, and they're young, they're gonna they're gonna get better and Zions going to get in shape.
Hopefully and, um, you know, crossing all my fingers and toes there.
But, you know, it's it's those are your two star players.
And if your two star players don't fight in on defense, if a coach can't get them to buy on the defense, you know what hope do you have for the rest of the roster? It starts with your best guys and want to Coach could hold those two accountable, and it just kind of, you know, I don't like trickle down economics, but it kind of applies here, you know, it kind of you hold.
You start from the top when you work down.
It's not a trickle down economics, but it's not.
It's more socialist where you like where you hold your start, your wealthy and your you know, your vet.
Men's on the same stand.
You know, everyone's on the same place.
Yeah, no, I totally agree.
I mean, look like there's guys that, like D'Angelo, Russell was passable in his last year defensively, that zone accomplishment that should be on the resume.
I mean, they're so there's a lot of things I think he brings to the table.
Um, do you think I mean for them? Are you looking for more of like a first? Like, Are you leaning sort of away from the first time head coach? Do you want somebody that has a little bit of an established track record of like? You know, I guess setting a culture to a degree.
I don't have any preference on that regard.
I I don't pretend to know anything about coaches beyond what's just out there and eso to me.
You know, there's been, you know, there's been an influx the first time coaches who have been really good.
Yes, Nick, Nurse, obviously, you know, leaving the way.
So I don't think that z e I don't think it's a bad approach.
I wouldn't mind one of these top tier assistance that's in every single coaching search.
I wouldn't mind those guys provided, you know, they're given a really good coaching staff.
That helps him, and I think what you see with the first time guys like that, um, is you have an associate head coach who has head coaching experience in that in that second chair, and so you know, it's it's kind of those guys at the tail end of their career a little bit that step into that associate head coach coaching role, or, um, or guys that need a short stint before they go for the next opportunity.
And so it would be interesting to see if the Pelicans did take a first time approach who they reach out, as as the associate head coach Steve Kerr, that, you know, they had all the gentry as the associate head coach.
Um, and and so you guys have shocked one who has a lot of experience who's going to help guide Steve Nash with that process? Yeah, so next year I have a feeling there's gonna be another merry go around of some coaches and I expect him to be in the mix. Exactly.
And so I That's if we do go with someone first time.
I do prefer they bring in someone that does have experienced, uh, Thio, amplify them.
Let's do a little bit of free agency stuff. I know we have.
I guess it's there floating a date December 1st, so we kind of have this sort of, ah, timeline a bit of one.
It's a little fluid, but um I mean, it seems like Ingram's coming back at all costs.
We could just shut that down, right? I saw that on Twitter.
You quote tweeted.
Yeah, you know, that's the second free agency opens.
It's a done deal.
I mean, it's a done deal now.
You know, officially, it's been a done deal since, what, 2020 19 all those years ago? Christmas? Um, other free agents that they have.
They have Kendrick Williams.
Derrick favors each one more.
Do you expect any or all of them to be back? That's a good question.
Um, if it were up to me, none of them would be back.
I would just go in a completely different direction just to get utilizes roster spots for for different players.
I do expect that they'll bring back some of the younger, cheaper players.
I think Frank Jackson is probably gonna be back.
I don't think it's qualifying offers that high.
I think that's probably wanna You're gonna come back around two million, maybe three million year maximum and then I think, with favors its delicate because the pelicans were dramatically better when favors played, not because favors is an amazing player.
But because their alternatives were Jalil Okafor and a rookie, Jackson Hayes, and those guys were just not good.
You know, Jackson's promising these where he was a rookie.
Long way to go, um, Julio's Giulio.
And so with Derrick favors, I think my on court fits, but they could do a lot better, but it's very possible with the way the big market plays out.
Market isn't to robust, and the pelicans carry bird rights on them, so they're able to nag him or or nab him for, you know, slightly above what a competitors could pay.
But it's still a really cheap deal.
Um, ideally, they work out a sign and trade somewhere with him.
And, you know, if I if I had any say, I would just go bargain, been hunting for for the for the centers and really invest in Jackson and try to get them, Um, you know, more game time reps and I just need someone to give me 20 solid minutes a game because you're gonna have Zion.
I'm playing center spot on bursts.
Whether it's the game, you know, 34 minute stretches per quarter.
You're probably going to see that.
So the obvious next question is, who are you looking at? Bargain bin Center.
Any other positions? Specific players? They're looking at anybody you have circled right now, and it is early.
So you can, Yeah.
So the pelicans are going to be in above the cap team, which means they're going to be limited.
Well, as of now, list, they makes a massive trades.
So as another project to being above the cap team, which means they're limited to the the mid level exception in the biannual exception.
Like every other 13 you know, there's like four teams with cap, and it's like Atlanta, Detroit, New York, I think Charlotte think Miami might have capped depending.
And and so you know, when everyone basically has the same amount to offer? Well, what is the currency at that point? The currency is market.
Currency is playtime, the currency's role.
Um, and, you know, I think coaching staff and fit and all that.
So the pelicans aren't gonna win in any market tiebreakers.
They're just not, um, but the way they need to advertise it is you could be a starter, because really, especially if you're going after a big and the targets I really like from a big I think the more realistic one is Tristan Thompson.
But I like Serge Ibaka, just like every other you know, is your quintessential shot blocking three point shooting big, and he's probably going to get more than the mid level exception anyway.
But I do think Tristan Thompson could be had and and with Thompson, you could be like, Look, this is gonna be a good team and you will be the starting center and, um, just we'll give you all the mid level exception Money's come on over.
Maybe they could work outside and trade or something.
I think there's this is gonna be the summer or the winter of signing trades.
I think there's gonna be a lot of teams leveraging their bird rights to flip them over to two other teams who can't afford to pay and level exception.
I think you're gonna see a lot of that going on, and so be interesting to see how the pelicans approach it from that regard.
Um, but it just it just makes sense when you're all you can pay.
Is that you know, nine million year from the mid level exception.
You've got to get creative.
I have Tristan Thompson at the top of my Little Nets wish list.
I think he's a great fit.
He makes sense, for there's like 10 good players in this year's free agency class.
Every team wants him.
It seems like that's a good player.
Eso I mean, that makes sense.
Any other players that stand out to you, man, I don't really know because I think they're gonna be unrealistic.
So I think the pelicans who should aim for the trade market, I think, for example, like if they want Ah, passable, big like, you know, trade Darius Miller.
$7 million expiring and a second for Cody Zeller like what's What's Charlotte doing? Cody Zeller? Nothing.
You know, um and so I think that's really the approach that they're gonna have to take is go dig into the draft.
They have a lot of picks and then get creative with trades, whether it's a sign and trade or just existing trades, and go after players that are already kind of under contract because free agencies, I don't see them the pelicans winning in free agency.
Yeah, it's just It's too many teams, like working with the same money, I think.
I mean, the Lakers are.
I think they are not even a tax paying team.
I believe I saw that today, which seems unfair.
So because they gave all of those guys like, you know, what it's like on the minimum Rondo's.
You know all those guys that got for cheap? Yep, So? So that'll be. That'll be fun.
Everybody working with the same money, going for the same 10 guys.
There's so much talk on my side of the world, I'm sure.
I'm sure it's the same for you about, you know, free agency and all this stuff we've had, like 40 months Thio go over this and especially with with how long everything has been.
Every single player has been talked to death like and it's And it's not that interesting of a class nor market like it's just not.
And I'm like, I don't know how I've done this.
Like, how have I not gone crazy? You know, man, I've been there.
I've been I've, like, watch like, you know, like three hours of Caris Levert film.
And I'm like, Man, I've seen enough at this point.
Like I'm not gonna, like, sell myself one way or another with another YouTube clip or something like that.
It's just not gonna Yeah, yeah, no.
Yeah. Save your sanity a little.
I've seen every single assist he made this season s so, like, you know, just on MBA stats.
Just looking at your eyes are glazing over, right? Um, last thing.
Do you think they keep Lonzo demanding the clutch man? Yes.
So I think logically speaking, they do.
But I don't think they will be afraid to move him.
So I think I think they keep him because they're not going to get anything useful in return.
I don't think there's gonna be a team that that gives them like, Oh, wow, look, yeah, let's let's move on to for this guy, um, type of trade.
And so I think they ride this year out and go into restricted free agency.
You get pretty comfortable because if he if he balls out great, and if he doesn't whatever will just cut our losses and and so I don't think it hurts them to at least give it until the day, uh, to see how he works for that inning Gurman, Whoever else might be on the roster.
Yeah, it's weird.
So him and him and I mean Zion really finished strong at least what we call the pre pre pre bubble pre public duration of the season.
But Ingram and Zion started really hot.
Um, who do you feel like? Plays the best? Like of those? It could be two of them.
It could be three of them playing together, I guess.
All three of them Do you feel like there's a set hierarchy of who plays well and who doesn't play well of those three guys? Yeah, So I think we're at the stage where we just don't know through the sample with Zion itself is just ridiculously small.
And the sample, you know, like you start looking to the net ratings of those guys.
It's a useless exercise because, like, the samples were so small, like to made threes will swing the net rating like ridiculously in one way or another.
So it's not worth really looking at those net ratings.
Um, I think you know, I think they've worked fine.
I think offense is just not going problem for the pelicans going forward.
I just It's going to be defense, and it's going to be a commitment by Zion and anger among the defensive end.
And and frankly, Lonzo has to get better on defense as well as build as a I don't know, man.
I mean, you know, it's the Lakers.
Things like inherently, you're gonna overrate kind of everybody.
But, well, he's weird because I think part of what holds him back offensively holds him back defensively is like weird hip issues in in my opinion, where I don't think he turns very well and so, like when it's getting over screens on defense, you know, he's just kind of dying at them.
Uh, he's more of Ah, you wanna play him at the nail? You wanna play him? Um, in the passing lanes.
He's more of like a softball disruptor type player like you don't wanna put him at the point of attack and be like, Okay, you're chasing, you know, you're you're locking this guy down the whole game.
I don't think that's what lawns always.
I think Alonso could be absolutely devastating.
Um, you know, off ball type player and who played, you know, like, kind of like what Iguodala was for, for the warriors.
Um, that, you know, that kind of role Defensively, I think you know, just the switchblade.
Where he's 6 ft 66 or seven.
Got decent length, can switch upon multiple different positions.
Um, kind of he has a really good nose for the ball, you know, he comes up with steel, he's a good rebounder.
So just that and when he does generate those turnovers or as a rebound is really good at pushing.
And so, like, really doubled down that strength.
And that's what what Lonzo is.
But he's not a stopper, e.
I don't think it's a worthwhile investment in tow trying to make him a stopper. Yeah.
Would it make more sense for him to bulk up than in a sense, if you don't feel like he's gonna be the guy that skating around threes or anything? Yeah, I would love that.
Yeah, Yeah, I think he has size to be e think he decides to be a three in this, you know, basically, in this MBA, And if he bulks up, um, and can hold his own a little bit in the post and whatnot and just do.
Yeah, just do Lonzo things.
Yes, I don't know how else uploaded Just do Alonso things on on defense.
I would like that because I think would help him offensively.
Just when he does get into the paint, which is a rare occasion, you know, he'd get bumped off this line less.
Maybe you'll make more confident going to the rim. Sure, sure.
And also kind of like a g a connector, because he's exactly way 90% time. Exactly.
Um, what? The last thing in groom? What? What, what What is it needs to happen for him defensively.
He's got to try.
That's it. Just just an effort thing.
It's not an effort thing.
I think there is a component of I think there's slow recognition.
I don't think he I don't think he necessarily has, Like people compare him to Kevin Durant, but Kevin Durant is a freak.
Athletically, um, you know Kevin Durant? A only has better measurables than than Ingram, but like, you know, I don't think he's averaged less than a block for a game in his whole career.
Like, you know, he's been a really good shot blocker his whole career.
He's got a decent amount of steals where it's like a guy with Ingram size and length.
You gotta You should be getting more steals and blocks and you do.
And I know that's not a good measure of defense, but eight kind of is a measure of activity.
In a sense, it's like, Dude, you gotta do something.
So I think it's more of like, uh, I think he's slow to see plays developing and slow to react a little bit slow on that end.
And then I think physically, obviously is very skinny as a player.
S o bulking up would help him, but also, I don't think he's the quickest laterally.
So there there are some physical limitations, but there are.
There have been players for those same physical limitations that have been perfectly adequate on defense, if not good.
And so when you're 69 or whatever you know Albert Hall Ingram is.
It doesn't take much for you to be perfectly adequate on defense, and that's the trying component.
And this may be because it was a contractor and he's like, I just gotta go get the bag.
Maybe it was the offensive load earlier this season.
I don't know what it was, but, you know, just the effort was not there.
Maybe it was the coaching, you know, all the above.
And and so I think people are optimistic a new coach will bring that come on him and make him really try on the defensive.
Yeah, no, I I think he's like that's the big thing for them.
Next year is if they can coax that out like, yes, the Zion thing.
If they could just get him on the floor and him look like he's ready to play games, I think is obviously a big part.
But like if that that's where I start to really look at this time because right now they like the tricky thing for the Pelicans is like every team in the West.
I just don't know like there's six teams that I think are concrete playoff teams and the pelicans air in that mix.
So I just I feel like Yes, it seems like they want to keep it on a timeline where they know where they're at.
But what's it look like if they miss the playoffs next year, and I think he's the big thing that changes that.
And a lot of ways.
And so, while me personally, I don't see it as a failure.
If they miss the playoffs, as long as you know, there is a clear upward trajectory and they accomplished other goals in the process because the West is a blood bath.
And, you know, you have the warriors getting healthy, and they're gonna make more moves with the number two pick.
Yeah, the wolves who just traded for Russell and have the number one pick.
And who knows, maybe they trade for an impact player.
Um, the bubble sons who went eight? No.
You know, you look down the line and you're like, OK, which team is falling off and maybe Okay, see? Falls off if they trade. Chris. Paul.
Maybe, um, and and And Gallinari walks.
But again, no guarantee there.
And so I don't think it's a failure if they miss the playoffs.
But I do want to see a clear upward trajectory, um, from the individuals and and men Just Okay, well, here's what we're gonna build upon.
And you missed the playoffs.
You get you know another lottery pick.
I think this is the year where the Lakers pick stuff starts starting starts and you know that goes on and on for the next few years or whatnot.
And so, yeah, forever on DSO.
Well, this is the year would be, like, reverse protected.
And so the pelicans were only get it if it's top eight, which is unlikely in Laker land.
But you never know on Ben, you know, the first unprotected in 2022 which is a double draft, supposedly, you know, in high school players.
Or but, you know, what does the world even look like in 2022? I can't speculate who knows me like S O, but yeah, so I think as long as there is clear improvement, it's not the end of the world. They missed the playoffs.
Yeah, discerning improvement is tough, though, without looking at win loss.
And if you make a case that every single team has improved, I think that's tricky.
But I guess it would be their process a little bit improving upon things that they were looking to really that were weaknesses this last year.
But that's tricky, though that's easier said than done looking at the process versus the actual product.
Cause again, as you made the point, every team you can either look at and say they've improved.
Or they can tell themselves that they have improved in have made moves that would indicate some form of improvement.
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I appreciate you for being so generous with it.
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