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I'm joined with Chris again tonight.
Unfortunately, to be honest, because I have to deal with, you know, all of all of this, um, which, you know, bandwagon LeBron fan.
So we'll just keep it at that.
Um, But, Chris, uh, you know, while I tweet out the link go um e can't stop you.
So you might as well say what you want to right now.
I mean, I just had to, like, celebrate.
I mean, I said in first of two.
So LeBron is my guy, The fair players.
Ever since I was a second, grades have been falling for years.
Like he's my dude.
Like I mean, just this performance is just unbelievable.
Averaging 30 11 8 and years 17 35 years of age, fourth finals M v p just is go things, man, like 10 MBA final stupid part in this level, being the best player in the world.
Just I appreciate the greatest.
We still have it, man.
Like you can't take it for granted because you might not see another player like LeBron up again.
So I just I gotta have to do this for today.
I know you don't like you, but a like we got another one.
That's 44 that tells, you know that that tells me all I need to know.
You saying that's four.
Because, you know, obviously you're about LeBron and other team.
Uh, you know, whatever.
I'm not gonna lie.
But, hey, Lakers, Right now I'm a Lakers fan that Hey, he put on a valiant effort.
We weren't able to pull it out.
I mean, really, they were just gas.
Um, you know, I mean, I don't think anybody expected them doing the Siri's once their guys were hurt.
Um, even me, I thought that he would win in six once they got hurt.
I mean, come on.
Yeah, it was tough.
I mean, e I just think one big thing we just kind of keep him a note to is like Jimmy Butler.
He looked totally gas last night.
It was just a complete annihilation.
They got butt off the floor.
But one thing that LeBron always give to the table, like year in year out is that he always gives us this whole effort.
He never like, really shows signs of the T against.
He takes really good care of his body.
There's one thing that really got appreciate, uh, e hired, but Brexit Probably because he takes plays off, right, Chris e.
You put a million dollars? Yeah.
Chris and I were talking about that earlier.
That's why I bring it up.
But, you know, over on the subject of the heat, like you said, Jimmy Butler look gas after I mean, that picture of him in game five, you had 48 seconds arrest.
He was just slumped over.
One of the best finalist performances I've ever seen.
What that means that I mean, you saw that picture.
It was it's game over from there.
Um, LeBron and 80 don't need a little help.
And when Jimmy Butler is not nothing, the tank.
I mean, let's be riel eso with the heat.
Yeah, with I mean 30 I think 39 points they had with, like, seven minutes left in the third.
It was like, Yeah, good luck. Yeah.
So with that being said, I mean, if you're the heat look, you had one heck of a run.
You swept Indianapolis or Indiana.
You beat the Bucks in five.
All that's Mike Budenholzer, but you know, they still deserve that.
Siri's beat Celtics and six, right? I believe it was six.
Yes, and then lost Thio the Lakers in in six games.
Uh, just fell short of their ultimate goal.
If you're the heat, Chris, what do you do this next year? Jae Crowder, I believe in Goran Dragic.
Both have expiring contracts along with a couple other players.
But you know, what do you do here after after this year? Successful, but short of the ultimate prize.
Yeah, so I mean, this office is kind of a weird Austin is not really big creation class, so I felt that he probably always staying pat personally because I think that's in your experience.
You have talent.
Here is he has experience of being in the final stage now.
I mean, he did not look good at certain periods of time.
This finals, you have **** like you have a final experience and even to people, they all final experience now, so they're more experienced group.
That kind of experience kind of means a lot because look at the Raptors team like they really came together last year.
But they had all that playoff experience and whatnot.
So have you had a big plus? But I just think Miami's biggest move would probably be the next for Asian class.
I mean, if they could get ya honest, it's a It's a wrap.
Like I think, personally, I like I know you a bucks man. You want him to stay.
But I think like he's a Miami Heat player like he's like, I think like he has the mentality, he wants to work hard.
I mean, like, he came in the league like scrawny.
He built his way up and just he's always counted out, so I think it would be a good fit for that team.
Exactly what? That team with me? That Kim and Jimmy Butler, I think, would be a good parents.
So I think they should wait.
This you're kind of stamp act on their experience for and then we'll make that really big.
Yeah, Yanis isn't going there.
It's not that I don't I want him to stay.
That's not why he's going to stay.
He's going to stay because I listened to what this dude says on literally at every turn except for one.
Um, in which case he was asked about his contract, in which case he didn't really say a lot.
Um, I would like to believe he was either thrown off kind of other questions since it was two years early.
Really? Um, or he was just, like, ****ing.
I'm focusing on basketball.
Every interviewing questions since then has said he's going to stay with the books.
Um, he's not a ***** like Katie.
Uh, it would be a little different if you want to join the heat.
But still, um, man, honestly, from the heat, right, You obviously don't blow it up.
That's not at all what I'm saying, but I think you gotta make the move.
Ah, you know, I think you can sell high on some of these guys.
Um, because what we saw, which Jimmy Butler needs help.
Um, and even if Goran and bam we're fully healthy, I don't think it would have made much difference.
And he needs help.
I mean, we like we said we saw in game five, Uh, if this team were to run it back, I don't see them beating the Lakers.
Um, I don't see them beating the Nets.
If everything goes well with Brooklyn, Um, if Budenholzer makes changes, which is who the hell knows? Because he never likes doing that.
I can see the bucks at least taking them seven, if not winning the Siri's.
And you know, Boston, Who knows what they're going to do.
So I think you gotta think you've got to change it up somehow.
Not not big, but somehow you gotta tweets and things.
I mean, like, I get You're saying just that like, I think it is like a hardy, because that would be a lot of big friends out there.
They don't have a lot of cap space of summers.
It is kind of It's hard like the next thing.
I mean, like, you bring good point, but, like, that is a big if like s.
So we talked about Are they really gonna be a real deal with chemistry issues there? So, like, you have good chemistry as we saw throughout the playoffs.
So that's gonna be a given by me the next summer.
I mean, you got, like, I would say, even like the market rose, that they could help mall or something.
Like they just they think another piece, like another player to kind of compliment Jimmy Butler.
So I think, like, Yes, I I just I just stand pat this year.
I'm probably a bigger move.
Next time, I'm gonna have more cast space, too.
So, you know an interesting thing I'm thinking about, you know, because I kind of got two different questions here, but one I'd ask you, you know, without the bubble, um, you know, let's take away coronavirus, right? Let let's take away everything that's happened.
Um, if the season progressed on as it would have been, would this Miami team being the finals on? And if not, who would? Oh, that's a really good question.
Um Well, personally, I think it would have been the Lakers, regardless, got things before to shut down.
They were really clicking on all cylinders.
I think that like they probably a really good chance of winning it all from the East.
I mean, back last November, I picked Miami Thio when the East, because I thought, like it really could match up against the bucks.
Didn't really tough early on that there is a really poor matchup because, like, the kind of funnel to them and funnel Yonas ends and whatnot.
So I thought we were gonna cut my trip for the bucks, regardless.
But I think based on the season shut down, I mean, I think the rappers a really good chance because, like, the, they had a really good bounce back year, like they really bounced back.
Something need a really good chance at the end of the day.
Like I pick my back in November.
So I'll still say probably Miami.
I would have probably gone with, um maybe Boston.
Just because of the timing with Hayward didn't help.
I think Miami is better in Boston, but, you know, Hayward being reintroduced late, You know, even if he wasn't.
The piece is not good.
Obviously, on Ben.
Maybe the bucks look not just because they're my team, but I mean, we saw Game one verse.
How much home court is needed by this team? Um, I've been telling people from the rooftops, Milwaukee is one of the best home courts.
You know, we do, and I disagree a little bit on where they rank.
But, boy, I mean, seeing how they play in the bubble, I don't think you can argue that they're not a top five.
Who knows how that would have worked out? You know, I look at the bubble, Jimmy Butler's mentality.
I mean, it just works perfectly for a bubble situation.
Not everybody has that, Um my other question was, you know, Oladipo said, he wants out.
E want to your point, though, Like I would just say like Miami crowd, like I will say, it is very dicey.
Like even in the peak of like LeBron and wavelike, it was dicey at best.
I don't know the rules.
Boyle family always chuck to really late two games, so I'm not a big fan.
Their home court by these things, like cross home court to like You have it the whole country, the whole Jurassic Park that they have a really good home court to.
So that's really good factor.
I mean, and then Boston's like always D's.
But yeah, bring up the point something.
The mighty home court.
I mean, I couldn't deciding factor right there.
So and shout out Toronto's fans.
I hate Toronto because they always knocked the bucks out.
But, I mean, you can't argue with their fans.
Their fans air just ridiculous.
Uh, but back to the depot, I mean, you see a guy you can trade for.
I mean, it's gonna be tough.
Obviously, you don't want to get rid of too many of these pieces, but, you know, could you see maybe a deal for Kendrick Nunn's and first rounders? Maybe some other pieces take on a contract on, and if so, would that even work? See, my thing is like, I wouldn't go that route because old people injury history and I think I really like Miami Young talent because I think Kendrick Nunn, like he didn't play the best players.
There was a lot of because he was kind of like his condition is throwing off because he had co vid like, right before the bubbles.
These conditions kind of throwing off.
Kind of like breathing issues.
I think that would remedy over time.
Hopefully, like, wish for the best for him as he recovers from Colton still.
But, I mean, you got like, Tyler hero.
You got Kendrick Nunn. Duncan Robinson.
Like a lot of really young guards.
I think you should really got a hold us on that route.
So I want to try to bring another guard like that.
I mean, mighty work.
Usually they work.
Why should go big? I would kind of like, help out band.
I mean, what Bam got hurt.
His shoulder wasn't the same like the whole Siri's like Like they had ignored really big guys like Don.
That's a big Anthony Davis.
So I think if they were to make a move has to be something big.
That's why I suggested Jonathan might be a bit of pipe dream.
I mean, I was just kind of just talking to what they do is kind of a bigger body.
Yeah, I mean one guy that he could kind of go under the radar.
with you on the bigger body.
But DEMAR DeRozan he's not what he waas, um, but he's a guy that, you know, this team is deep and they have a lot of pieces.
I think he could be not not a star, but enough of a guy where if Jimmy Butler's ever out him and those pieces could do pretty solid because, I mean, if Butler gets hurt, this team is done.
I like the team with this team is done.
Um, and any final thoughts because I mean, any guys you're looking at because we know Pat Riley, Pat Riley is gonna do whatever the hell he wants.
My sleep? Probably.
Yeah, mine will probably be Blake Griffin.
So he's a free agent in 2021 the next summer.
So I think like he could be, somebody could go for I mean, like, he's kind of had a bounce back in Detroit like he was pushing towards an all star level before you got hurt.
So I think that could be another piece.
They could try toe for a bigger body, kind of help out bam and stuff, and they kind of get that wear and tear awful bam.
So because I got Darko spread out right, they could even get, you know, who knows? Maybe Ah, sign and trade kind of deal.
Or maybe a trade if he says he'll sign on because pistons have nothing.
Uh, they're not gonna be anything soon.
They got some nice players, but yeah, So, speaking of a relevant, uh, the Chicago Bears and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers play Thursday night.
Christine bears giving a little hard time about that.
We texted about this.
Bears came out on top.
I did not expect it to happen, but hey, sure.
****. Their foreign one.
Ah, I tweeted out.
I said, What did I say exactly? You were not happy with it, to say the least, Chris.
What did I say year? Chris, what a paraphrase.
You're saying that both the bucks and the bears are overrated? This is pathetic.
As of the bears, nor the Buccaneers deserve to be four in one.
Both are extremely overrated and can't stop committing Stupid penalty.
Hey, Chris, you said hey, this isn't happening.
I'm not going to take this.
We're gonna debate this.
Uh, tell me about those bears, man.
Why? Why do people need to take him seriously? A foreign one? Yeah.
I mean, like, their defense is next level, like their front four.
Just like phenomenal.
Just Khalil Mack, like leading the way is like they don't need to blitz.
They could always just, like, play straight out, just focus on the secondary.
So that kinda helps the demons that were off.
They were really, really, really good front for.
So that's one thing to keep in mind.
Also, like I mean, like, I like Nicole especially like like he's showing up in like, big moments.
I'm gonna get the big game at Chicago like in the playoffs two years ago, like obviously a Super Bowl one run.
So he shows up in big moments.
So it's just kind of like a player that you gotta keep an eye on.
So I mean, like, early on, like, I was kind of dice in Chicago, where he played, but they beat a really good Tampa Bay T like I liked him.
Obey a lot like going to the year at that time because actually won the NFC like I liked him a lot like overalls.
Their experience and talent So let me Chicago kind of beat him like, straight up.
And I think another big factor, too, is you have to go to Soldier Field and beat them to more than likely like if they were in division.
Could be through Soldier Field.
They have a really good record on like Soldier Field, like Chicago when it's cold.
I can't remember this January February.
It's gonna be like 20 degrees, 10 degrees, all right on Lake Michigan, the like breeze right finally into that stadium like I've been a social feel like it's really windy.
They're like, Is this super super windy? It's not a fun place to play, so I think that's another really big, huge factor that goes into it.
So, yeah, I'm saying Don't sleep in the Bears and e mean Tampa Bay like they didn't e mean like Tom Brady kind of had a brain **** and he thought I was walking down.
I mean, like, he didn't was parked down.
But I mean, Tampa Bay, like they look pretty decent this year to besides the first game.
So like this, they're going to try to figure each other out on offense, try to click each other more to get better attention.
Season goes along, so I mean, I like both teams.
Honestly. I mean, it's really good.
Well, to the release.
So So you talked about the Bears playing at home? Uh, there's there's this team a little north of them called the Packers, where it is colder.
It is louder, and they have a better success in the playoffs, but one less loss.
So, you know, uh, they never said anything about the playoffs? Yeah, they said for the regular season, probably probably. Will.
But, you know, let's look at the bear schedule here.
Stafford's down gala day, and they were up 23 to 6.
Uh, Stafford threw stupid thick drops off past Bears.
One week, two too risky.
18 for 28 190 yards, two picks.
Second half possessions consisted of an interception, punt interception, missed field goal, one by four to a Giant.
Seems I'll take one week.
Christmas field goal field goal, punt, punt, touchdown, punt, interception, interception, punt downs.
Running backs average 2.
4 yards per carry and they scored a garbage time TV to a TV to a team that gave up three touchdowns, dementia in 19 and 20 and they only scored form or against the Colts and the Jets did.
Week five running back transfer 36 yards on 13 carries.
Peter Via broke his ankle during the game, and Tom Brady's and Competence and Tampa Bay's 11 penalties for 109 yards really hurt them in that game.
You know, I'm looking and I'm not trying to look for excuses here, but I'm looking at these games and therefore in one, but I haven't seen anything that that jumps out at me is This is a foreign one team? Is there? I mean, like, the only thing I would say it's probably the defense said, Hang their hat on.
I mean, like, obviously like they held down like a Giant seem to 13.
But I mean, like, that's the Giants.
You can't hang your hat on that, But I mean, like, demons have been really good the past few years, like you got to kind of look at the past years like they've always had a really good demon has always been like the quarterback office, were really kind of shaped me of, really.
I mean, like, now that Nick Foles, I think that quote that keeps you alive well, he's good enough, but he's not a leaf, but he's a solid starter and I mean, like, Yeah, I don't Robinson.
He's like one of the top receivers in the game, like he's been like, killing it all year.
But I mean, we'll see more about the bearers.
I mean, what might be a bit too early, but me, they're playing the Rams in two weeks.
They're playing because they don't like the Saints.
So I think they will, like, kind of prove himself.
I mean, Green Bay, obviously.
I mean, let's be a huge matchup.
We can't wait for that.
You kind of see how that goes.
But I mean, like next week to play like the Rams and who are all in there? We're going to see how they kind of bear up against those.
Yeah, I mean, this Bears team and I just looked at the stats, you know, they they have outscored their opponents by one point per game, 33% on third down efficiency turnover ratio is minus one.
They're 27th and yards per game, 25th in points per game.
The combined records of teams they beat is four and 14 you know? Hey, I will always give it to you.
The Bears defense is good, but, hey, when you get into the grit and grind games late in the season in the playoffs, Dolphins got to show up.
And I'm just not seeing that you talked about Nick Foles.
We need him to do it now.
And he did not look good.
He and the Buccaneers, Um, is this something where you think he's just in the system too early? He's still gonna use to it because, I mean, he's a veteran quarterback.
He should not be playing like this.
Yeah, I would say something is probably chemistry issues.
You remember, like going in.
They thought I was traditionally had a starter, like I don't know why.
They said that shouldn't fall from day one, in my opinion.
But I said, like another topic, I guess.
But yeah, I mean, like like he kind of gets got throwing it.
I'm he got thrown in, like in the third quarter of the Atlanta again, like that really good, like come back all the way down So I mean, like like he has shown flashes.
But I mean, like, I think part of it's like you got a little like getting the chemistry.
I think like, ah, big factor about this season is there was no preseason, so you kind of like miss a lot of this chemistry issues and kind of like having him out, get some game reps and stuff.
So it's kind of like he's feeling his way out still, so I think we gotta give me a little bit of benefit. The doubt.
I mean, he hasn't been like, completely dominant, and I never thought he never said he was a dominant player.
I think he's a good enough starter like waving its Robiskie because that's all he needed to someone better.
Stravinsky to kind of the These are part of the offense, kinda like help help out the defense.
So I mean, I think he's good enough.
In my opinion, I mean, like, we'll see if the season goes on, especially that the Rams game really interesting.
I mean, and Aaron Donald has been like he's obviously a monster, so hopefully like he doesn't go crazy or something, but yeah, So I think.
What? Wait and see you.
But I'm trying to believe more and more than I mean, first of all week, I didn't believe in because all the plan that alliance giant that they believe in them, but trying to believe them a little bit more and more.
And the loss against the Colts, I mean, the culture, like people sleep on the Colts like you are talking to enough like, I think the culture a really good team.
The they did get man handled by Cleveland this past week.
I like to point out a team that almost lost to Dallas, but you know, Yeah, they Cleveland people get into Cleveland hype in general, but I just think like I watched a little the Cleveland game like Odell and Landry, they really bailout Baker like he throws like bad pass and he's really go leap out and grab it like he's not been playing well that they're really bailing him out over in Cleveland.
You know, Nick Foles.
You said you think he's good enough? Um, I'm not gonna argue with it because I haven't seen him play in this offense.
Stats say no, but obviously it's still early.
But I think the real question is, is this guy gonna be able to stay healthy because he has not been able to show it? Outside of I think he had one.
He had one good year in Philly his first year.
He had one good Super Bowl run.
But outside of that man, this dude gets hurt all the time.
If he gets hurt again, it's Robiskie comes in.
I think we both agree they have no chance.
How confident you unfolds to stay healthy here.
I'm not confident.
Even last year in Jacksonville, like he got hurt like Game three about game two or three, you got hurt right away.
Broke that collarbone.
So, yeah, like he is kind of like advice of guys when it comes to their abilities, especially the NFL.
You know, who knows, like look at Dak Prescott, obviously like you never know, like three things can happen any given play and like he has a history of getting injured, so that is concerned.
That's why I like, kind of like when I first started out, I kind of thought like Okay, sure start your brisket, moving for a few more weeks and then, like, bring back polls for that in the years, that kind of like reduce that risk.
So that's something that could do down the line.
They could bring much risky for kind of like the weaker teams, kind of like.
So I said, kind of like stack of the winds now bringing Schabowski like like once together, have a like a better record.
It's kind of like expelled for Poles, kind of protected and then bring them really solid playoff.
So hopefully Paul's mind that falls in line like that.
I mean, with this season with games being postponed and and definitely left and right, I mean, it's hard to say, but hopefully about the mind for that way.
Speaking of kids being postponed, the Titans continue to be a problem.
I believe it was Sunday.
Another staffer tested positive.
Uh, he must not have been important, staffer, because the game is still going on tomorrow night as scheduled as of now.
But, boy, these titans, they just continue to cause problems for the NFL.
Um, e and I just kind of got a rant a little bit.
Um You know, this team practiced against the rules, and and for those of you who did not see, uh, safety Kevin buyers in the quarterback, Ryan Tannehill put out quote, um, and and, you know, I'm taking this from their words.
People fear him.
Feel empowered to go to the extremes without knowing the details I was attending.
Hill said and fired said protocols that we and the league have aren't foolproof.
Um, I don't know how you feel about this, but from me personally to them.
Um, look, e mean we saw the details.
You practice against the rules.
So what the hell else do we do? We need to see you broke the rules.
And as for the protocols, they work if you follow them.
When you have a practice that break the protocols, what do you expect to have when you expect there to be No consequences, health wise.
I mean, this team screwed Pittsburgh out of a by the bills now have to have an early week.
And possibly if they play Kansas City scheme with them, moves to two teams inconvenience for this one Titans team, they can't even given apology.
I'm saying that if l need to go at them, even if nothing else happens, Uh, you know, I'm all ears.
What do you think about this Titans ordeal and their comments here? Yeah, So I mean, I hear you saying like Like I think it is wrong that you're going against the rules.
Obviously, in practicing that is totally unacceptable.
And like, obviously, we saw it made things worse in their end.
So that's not a good look for the league.
The team at our anything, like, really bad PR look.
But to their defense, I mean, like, the change of protocol or the day before the practice, something like that.
Maybe they weren't entirely sure what it meant.
It kind of came out of nowhere.
And it was kind of like mercy, something.
Maybe if they didn't really understand, Like what the full protocol was, because they're changing a protocol constantly like, really like our about ours.
I always say that the protocol, I mean, and then it's like seeing yesterday, like all their postponements and the schedule changes like I just was so confused.
Always had a stroke.
Kind of read all the schedule changes like what is all going on is like six different teams involved.
Like I can't imagine NFL logistics team right now.
Just trying to figure out all these schedules.
All these violets are being moved.
And what Non doms? Yeah.
I mean, like, I feel bad for the Steelers.
Like Like they really got screwed into the buyer eq.
And they will be playing what they said 12 weeks in a row like that is so exactly Yeah, exactly.
And like that, they love the complaint.
They look really good this year.
So I think it probably a playoff team.
So they could just be like cruising all the way through.
So that's gonna be, like, really brutal, like, hopefully lead to injuries.
And there and so I mean, like, yeah, so I mean, like, it's not a good look for the league for the Titans or PR anything.
But I mean, I have a little bit better for the Dalai baby.
It didn't really know, like, baby kind of like ignorant, I guess. Maybe I don't know.
So, yeah, there was ah, guy from the NFL.
I don't remember his name, but apparently he's the guy that the league has in charge of communicating these protocols to the team.
According to him, it was very clearly communicated.
Obviously, uh, did that really happen? We don't really know.
He's not going to say, you know Oh, my bad.
You know, I screwed up.
I mean, you know, there is a margin for error there, but, you know, I gotta ask, what's the point of protocols now? I mean, seriously, I mean, whether the Titans knew it or not, um, they didn't follow it.
I mean, you could have assumed that was going to be a president, even if you didn't know it.
And now the NFL has shown that they're not going to set a precedent.
Ah, they're not gonna do anything about this team.
Um, and this doesn't even cover, you know, shout out Minnesota losing practice time against their game.
Um, when when it had to be pushed back and they had to be out of there, you know, out of their facilities, you know, now we have three teams have no room toe work.
I mean, what does NFL do? Are they able to enforce anything now or does that just cause more issues with teams saying Hold on.
What about Tennessee? Yeah.
I mean, like, you kind of go back card and previous point like this is another example of Goodell like he just so inconsistent of his punishments.
Like it just I don't get it.
Like how he enforces the rules and all that. He's still consistently.
I'm not a definitive with commissioner.
That's just point number one.
But I mean, like, yeah, I agree.
Like like I don't like the look of like going against the protocol and stuff.
I said, The only way to face at this point is like, I kind of like that.
Deals like maybe having like Team Bubbles is saying, like all the teams that you stay in your home market, you staying there may be a hotel or something like like for the week.
Maybe have, like, family visit like what? Twice a week And make it pass it as we get it or something. Maybe.
Like, I was probably the only way I could think of, like having I think that make a lot more like, kind of isolated better and like, because right now, like didn't go home like wherever they please.
They can do whatever they want it all the time.
Like e think like that's just pretty much outbreak waiting that happens.
So, I mean, the only way inspired you do like bubbles in home markets.
By the only way to kind of contain at this point.
Yeah, and And, I mean, the thing that just confuses me is you know, if you're the NFL and you're not gonna do anything, uh, why are you coming out and saying, Oh, we found this.
This this the guy who was in charge of this, they definitely knew, you know, And there are rumblings about historic punishment.
I would assume that came somewhere out of the NFL.
So to say all this and then nothing that just seems weird.
Typical Goodell work. I know.
Yeah, they're just so like he's so weird, like stuff like that.
So it will definitely play a role in in the A F. C.
South to I mean, the Colts are in it.
The Titans are obviously in it.
Who knows what the hell might happen with the Texans? I mean, this team might pull something around.
Ah, little decent against Jacksonville, but I mean, you are hurt there and with the with seven teams in the playoffs, I mean, if this team goes to the playoffs, they're gonna have a target on their back, for sure.
And the interesting thing, though, is there's one Monday night game tonight.
Uh, it's New Orleans at the Brat Chargers or either or Broncos Patriots.
Monday night football game was postponed.
Um, are you know, we talked about the punishments, but are you just surprised? I mean, a staffer tested positive Saturday.
We had your Sunday.
We had guys testing positive for the Titans Friday, and it didn't seem like there are that many, if any, positive test for Broncos Patriots.
That game got moved, but not bills.
I mean, that doesn't make sense to me.
Yeah, that was very confusing me.
I mean, like, maybe the one that should day helps because they're playing like on Tuesday or Monday that maybe that could essentially helping their something like could be other events happening in the state or something, because they couldn't work out.
Maybe they have some kind of obligation.
It could be all kind of logistics, like something along those lines, but I mean, like, yeah, like maybe the staffer for the Titans like you probably like, distantly removed.
So maybe, like, works like the office something.
So maybe that close of players and coaches.
So it could be like something along those lines and that way close to me because the Patriot was players.
The stuff on Gilmore came knew that that your two star players.
So I hope you are probably a lot of content of those players.
So it's probably like by being extra state that make sure that they're not, like, then attention too soon.
They're just not showing that are positive.
Yes, it could be infected.
We don't even know yet.
I'm not accusing the NFL of anything when I say this, but I mean, I think it's definitely possible.
Do you think it's possible that the NFL said, Look, um, we have already lost their bye week? Um, we need to get this game going.
Do you think it's possible they took a risk here and not saying that there are positives that they didn't release? But do you think they knew this and knew the discrepancy between the two games and the tests and said we can't waste another week.
It's gonna go on anyways.
Do you think thats possible from the NFL? I don't think so.
Because I think, like, especially the Titans, like if anything, they should lose, like, forfeit again.
It should just not like it should be, like kind against them because of the practice that they like.
You mentioned that because they already broke the protocol, broke the rules.
You shouldn't try cup of organ like that.
They're doing that.
I mean, trying to so hard to try to get them to like them, even playing field everyone else.
Like I mean, like, if they were still showing positives and like, it was still, like a potential big outbreak or something or transmission.
Then if I was and I thought I I personally, I wouldn't give him like a trumpet.
I see you already lost.
Can you screwed up like that's it? Like that's done.
You already screwed protocols.
So I mean, like, I like to think no, like, that is my opinion.
So yeah, I put nothing past Cadel, but things like thes air so hard to keep under wraps, I would assume not.
Yeah. Then the tires like I mean, like this.
I mean, it was just like the cheese or something that they really like Elite, like like top the NFL like team.
Like I could probably that more.
But because of the Titans, I mean, times are like they're one of the premier like teams in the league right now.
So, like, I don't see the NFL trying to bend over backwards.
Just supported teams like those guys.
I'm kind of perplexing.
Well, at the same time, then if I would have to think that either a, uh, they could keep this under wraps.
Or either they have kept it under wraps, which is nearly impossible, or B.
They're stupid enough to think they keep it under wraps, which eventually everything comes out.
Eso we will see ah, moving on toe further games or more recent games.
We had an interesting game last night.
Seattle Seahawks bested, outlasted really? The Minnesota Vikings, Chris's Wednesday e don't know whether to be happy or sad, because people barrel is an ass I will never forgive him for.
Forgive him for doing all these violations and leaving us see.
Um, but I hate the Vikings to, um Seattle 1 27 26.
1st, we're going to get into Russell Wilson whether or not he is the M v P.
We both have two completely different answers.
But first, the Minnesota Vikings had an interesting play call late in the game.
They had the ball 4th and 13 Seattle 62 minutes left.
Um, Chris, if if your zimmer you going for it or you kick in that field goal, he's in the field Goal house.
What I'm doing, I'm kicking that in.
Especially because double cooked like like he was He was out to like, because, like, I mean, like, obviously that was a really big lot of double cookout thing was going for.
Like I mean, I would've been saving just kick kick for it.
I mean, like, I'm gonna put you up eight.
So that's what I would have done E I would agree. And I understand.
You know, if you get the first down, you can really believe the clock kicked the field goal and the game is practically over.
But I mean, man, you go up eight.
You like the best.
You're going toe over time.
And that's assuming you don't have time left.
It's very possible you have time left to and it just and we saw it on the Seattle's, uh, one time out, right? I think they don't really have one time out, right? I think they only had one.
I think they did.
Uh, that's even, like, more like that about the time e.
Just add more to it.
Like they really could even, like, really, like, stop the clock that they have the ball back.
Yeah, like if I'm Zimmer like, I don't know why, I like I would just kicked it, then.
Like to go up eight Because, like, the words you could do is like, it's a tired.
I mean, like, even the last drive.
Like they didn't get two point conversion, so they would have lost the game right there.
So, yeah, Seattle did have on Lee one time out.
I mean, yeah, it's just and I was gonna bring that up to obviously, the two point conversion play called.
Probably would have been different if they needed it.
Um, I mean, they obviously still wanted it when they scored a touchdown.
But you're right, they didn't get it.
And with the way Russell Wilson was playing up to that point, I mean, just take eight.
I feel like he got too cute.
Towns were setting off.
There was a crowd here who would have gone for it.
But man without Dalvin cook.
Uh, this is a bad look.
And the Vikings after this, they got the Falcons.
I mean, who knows what then Quinn fired.
They got the Packers Lions.
That's a crap shoot.
Bears, Cowboys, Panthers.
I mean, a lot of these games could go their way, but a lot of these they don't have anything guaranteed.
Uh, is it panic time? Not necessarily for the Vikings, because, obviously one of four it is, is it almost panic time for Mike Zimmer in Minnesota is the question.
I don't think it's for my pants for him, per se, I don't think so.
I mean, like, it's just been a kind of a weird year, I think, especially with, like, early gone, I think because they have so many like new rookies on defense, e mean like, no experience, no priestly.
That's really frightening.
I think it's kind of like they're kind of feeling way out.
So I mean, I'll give him a pass to me like he did a really good track record, like, I mean, like, think they made the playoffs for the past few years like they really good run.
So I mean, like like I don't think his jobs in the hot seat right, and they could make a run. I mean, a schedule.
You look at the schedule that sounds favorable, that they could win those games.
They really could get the Packers like I still picking my Packers, one of the toughest Warren, but like they could win those games.
And they really could like cowboys on the Cowboys, unbeatable, like I don't think like like the Bears.
I mean, like like you had questions about them, so they maybe they could beat the Bears or something.
And like the panic, maybe the Panthers.
So, like, I mean, the schedule is favorable, I think so they could turn it around, but like they have to start like next game.
Yeah, because, you know, I talked about the Panthers.
Obviously, this way in advance, A lot of stuff is going to change.
But panthers around Thanksgiving they love Christian McCaffrey back.
They've actually looked pretty solid.
That three and two right now they played Jaguars.
That'll be interesting.
But then the last four week of the season at Tampa Bay Bears at New Orleans at Detroit.
So I mean, they got to get something going now, because those last four weeks, they're gonna be absolutely brutal.
I would agree on Zimmer.
I think it's a little too early, but boy, he is play calls in crunch time, as seen by the fourth down conversion.
They're not helping his case, but, you know, kind of pivoting to that game.
I have never erupted at this man so much when he said at the end of the game, you know, some long lines of If you're looking for an M V P candidate, look no further.
Chris, I got four quarterbacks here for you today.
Alright, I got four Before you get into that.
Just another thing at about Zimmer to like like the Vikings lost the opposite coordinator. Seven Stefanski.
So, like that they're kind of resume their offense to.
That's a really big factor.
I mean, like Zimmer's, like known to be a defensive guys.
I mean, I think it puts out a defense more, but, like, they lose the opposite coordinates.
Like you've had called for the Browns right now, probably a lot better on offense.
So I think another really, really big point of credible. No.
Well, and, hey, I didn't think Stefanski would be good.
I really didn't, um, but his Brown's air.
What Foreign One s o. Okay.
I mean, like, I don't even know about the art form one.
I mean, also the Vikings.
I mean, we're really going to step on days.
I wish we had all He's been coming with the bills with telling how are missing so much.
So, like I said about Russell Wilson, are you force that lines? You're gonna have to guess who is who.
I'm not gonna give you names.
I'm just gonna give you stat lines.
You have to tell me which one is Russell Wilson Quarterback? 1 18 for 33 195 yards and a touchdown.
Quarterback to 19 for 30 183 yards and a pick quarterback.
3 20 for 33 222 yards.
Quarterback 4 16 for 19 with 140 yards to touch sounds in a pick.
Now I think you're going to get it, but the point is still the same.
All those quarterbacks played pretty much the same.
The played pretty much just a well with each other.
Which of those four quarterbacks is Russell Wilson? Is it the last one? It is.
But you know those quarterbacks that he's close with quarterback one.
Joe Flacco against Arizona quarterback to Joe Burrow against Baltimore, they put up three points.
Quarterback for Daniel Jones against Dallas.
Ah, they lost to a team without Prescott.
Now these stats for for Russell Wilson Mind ur minus are not including the final drive.
Which final drive? All get into again later.
Ah, but how is this guy? M V P.
I don't come wrong.
It's super early.
But when Rogers has been flawless, when Josh Allen has been flawless, how is this guy even in that VP conversation, much less looking at the front runner.
I mean, so I have a kind of wave this question all day, so I would say the biggest.
The best comparison is you want people.
Last year we passed my homes like he did not play the best, like he really didn't.
He looked very shaky for three quarters in the fourth quarter.
He turned it around, but like he like, he let that come back door down by 10.
He loved that. Come back.
He came but wants to bowl.
He wants to go on BP and then the people.
People never talk about that.
You will never talk about three quarters.
Mahomes was pretty much almost garbage.
He was not very good in the bowl.
It was not looking good for him at all.
Like you lost that game out or really hurt is like like you see, like you would not be half billion dollar man.
It would be We lost that game. Hi.
I mean, I think a big in fact, you know what? I think you can take your mouth.
It's not about like how you are from the whole game is how you finished.
So I mean, like, my home is simple.
He really like he believed himself.
He said, Hey, like I'm the best part back in the world.
I couldn't do this. I can come back.
I came back down 24 nothing against the Houston, Texas.
I could w 10 point that.
So he let that come back.
And like Wilson, I mean, like like you mentioned like I mean, it wasn't like she wasn't got awful, but he wasn't like the m v p like.
It's just like Okay, maybe average quarterback most of the game.
But, like, I mean, the pick wasn't nice either.
But I was not Russell Wilson, like at all, but, I mean, just in general, just like like, I don't drive like I mean, like, once he got the ball back of the bike and I was like, Oh, boy, here we go Like I was so nervous. I was like shaking.
Here we go, then, because I just started looking his eyes like he believed himself, like he knows that he's like a really good quarterback.
I would arguably the best in the league, one of the top of the league, obviously.
So I mean, like, he kept his head up like that.
And that's just a lot about you.
They that's like a true like M V.
P is kind of like, despite you not like being like one of your best game.
You're still gonna perform in the big moment and come back with the wind.
So is he a major props for that? And I think he deserves it for that.
One of the big points.
I like to point out Mahomes in that Super Bowl.
He still played well.
26 42 206 yards touchdowns, two picks.
I want things I'd like to point out is the chief scored 10? Correct.
I would like to points about for for those you watching.
Chris and I were talking about Aaron Rodgers the other day and Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs, and Chris set about the NFC championship game when the Packers got ran out of the building by the end of the first half.
How do you not put up any points in the first half? That was the best defensive league, Chris.
This Minnesota defense.
Not the best even sleep.
We have talked about this at length.
This team has way too many rookies.
Can you tell me how many points Russell Wilson put up in the first half against this defense? Hey, didn't support his court, so Hey, hey.
If we're gonna hold them.
We're gonna hold them to the same standard as Rogers because we're comparing these guys an EVP.
And you said you can't put up no points in the first half and we're talking about a 49 or defense verse in Minnesota defense.
How is this different? I mean, like, you're you're talking NFC Championship.
To go to the Super Bowl, which is a regular season game like obviously, night and day like that is like that is just a huge like out of the championship.
You're like, That's just a huge pressure.
Like obviously, like he was nervous, just like, Oh, I could go to seek ball second time in my career and just like he just didn't like show up.
So obviously, you can't get it right this season versus NFC Championship because obviously, the Seattle would have lost his game this season continues.
They still got lots of games to go through like they still got what, like there will be 11 games like to go through, at least, obviously probably going to playoffs.
That's at least probably 12 games and that the the minimum talking a little bit.
Relatives in game versus like NFC championship like also a championship game again against the best defense in the league.
Um, also on the road, I might add, with fans.
Whereas this there were no fans.
Eso there's nobody to boo him.
There was nothing, um really bad to come from it.
So I mean, you know, there was nothing really going against him.
Whereas Rogers is in one of the, um, you know, largest stadiums and loudest stadium in the NFL.
You know, on top of that, this Minnesota defense is, you know, worse than the Jets.
Statistically, let's see.
32nd, 31st, 26th in yards given up in the NFL.
Um, points per game.
Ah, they are how many points for games they've given up.
It has been pretty this year.
So Russell Wilson does puts up the exact same amount of points as Aaron Rodgers with no pressure, no fans against the defense, about 26 in the NFL, whereas Rogers played the number one.
But what we want harp on that very often very long.
First half drives.
One like this for Russell wasn't punt punt punt in which he took two stacks in the third one and then to the half we talked about makes them.
We're going for it on fourth down.
That changed the game.
Fighting over one.
Everybody's talking about Russell Wilson.
You have 77 packs near at 17.
That's what nobody wants to hang their hat on.
What I saw and I want to see what you have to say about this if you include the two point conversion.
He threw 13 passes.
How many did he complete? How many? 44 against the 26th ranked defense in the NFL? With no crowd I at home in a no pressure game? This guy was four for 13 on the final drive. He scored a touchdown.
Four for 13 no points in the first half.
Even with all that, I mean, his stats were nothing great.
I mean, yeah, I find a girl.
He was He was kind of watching this, like getting a lot of things that were watching that drive like it was like he did a lot of incompletions at the same time.
He did still get it done like NFC Championship like Rogers that he didn't score, but like if you would have won that game.
They would have been like all time, like performance, like I still like.
It would have been really good.
Like like Brussels.
He didn't finish the deal.
I mean, like it all back to the Roger versus Wilson thing, I just think like mean person.
Her writers are higher standards.
So, like Rodgers like people say, he's like one of the best of all time.
Like ever period like best talented quarterback like we've ever seen Wilson like, We've never said anything remotely close to that.
Like we recognize he's really good.
You recognize he's like M V P for the year, but like he's not even in the conversation of, like, goat best all time, like no one, even like she's having a discussion of that.
If people even think about Russell Wilson, this is another thing that I think factor into.
I mean, like, yes, that wasn't pretty, but he still didn't lead to drive like like he made to really keep final driving.
Even wasn't the prettiest like I'm really we still I still thought that I could have a chance because like, yeah, I made a lot of completion like you mentioned, but like he still makes him really like key.
Like deep throws on that final drive.
Now, Chris, you said if the if Russell Wilson had finished, uh, Aaron Rodgers had finished the job against San Francisco would have been all time performance.
Um, let's look at that.
Rogers. We're looking at Rogers right now.
He had Davante Adams.
That's it. All right.
He's going to get to know more defense in the league. On the road.
We're gonna wipe out one of his two interceptions.
Because if you're watching the game, that interception, they were down.
I mean, they were down 17.
They were just throwing Hail Marys.
They're just trying to get **** to stick to the wall, So e s So let's put that there.
31 for 38 326 yards, two touchdowns.
One pick with the second pick included.
His rating is 97.2.
So this guy against no more defense on the road with his defense doing nothing with the crowd against them, still puts up those numbers better and Wilson And the point just because waiting last night was 100.
7 like you got a decent rain last night to like again against the 26 ranked defense.
But but here's my point.
Well, look at what Russell Wilson did pales in comparison Darren Rogers, even though he hits same standards of no points in the first half with, Like I said, with Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers, up to this point, be a near flawless and rvp candidacy.
How can you? Possibly What I'm thinking is, how can you possibly put Russell Wilson ahead of them with this performance? Because this is not envy. P caliber.
And to be honest, this performance is just the dud.
I don't think it's gonna be anything more.
This performance is that of a quarterback who will not when he was Super Bowl he obviously has, but year wise been into he's been into Roger's live in a one.
How deep, How is he? How is he ahead of Rodgers right now? How is he ahead of Josh Allen right now? Show some love, Josh.
How is the head of either? Because in my mind, he should be probably third right now, if not fourth.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, Alan, I'm not sold on him like I'm not so in the bills.
Like I'm just really not.
But I mean, like, people like hold like he had a game when he drive against the Rams and people said that was bogus.
I mean, like, so European.
Are you dismissing like the fact that it was still game when he drives that Russell Wilson like lead? I, you are using a completely dismissed like it never happened is already gonna dio That has nothing to do with like factoring into the M V.
P. One drive is fantastic.
But if you're looking at stats done this season, which is going away more What? However, many minutes recorded everything in the game except for the last two minutes for one drive in which he still only went four for 13 and one because other team did not kick a field goal.
Onda looking at Josh Allen, you know he's only been okay.
1300 yards, 12 touchdown toe, one pick.
I just don't know.
I mean I mean, tell me, how is how How are you putting Russell Wilson ahead of both of them right now? At this point, again.
At this point this season, I just still be you is, like, close to me.
Yeah, like, it wasn't the prettiest performance, but I just think like you're still like the game we drive bills help.
I mean, like, at the same time.
Like I will admit, Like, you can't slowly, like like, a place game when he drives like that as a tell all, because, like, do you know what? The league game when he drives the past decade, like, you know, like lead it. Yeah.
So that's the thing.
So I mean, obviously, like, we're not.
We don't consider him one of the top quarterbacks.
I mean, it's not like most ideals that I loved it, but I mean, like, we still have a lot of season left.
I mean, like, we still got the game, gets San Francisco to feel how does because that defense, like we got like, you're playing against Buffalo? That's gonna be huge.
M v P Island versus Wilson.
So, like, we'll see what happens there.
Get the Rams deepest gonna place.
That's gonna be really big games.
I mean, it's a chance to prove himself, so we'll see him.
Josh Allen plays, UH, Tennessee Titans on Tuesday.
Aaron Rodgers has a vibe, but next week you will play Tampa Bay.
Um, let's assume, let's just for the point of argument.
Let's assume that Josh Allen does what he usually does or has done to this point.
And let's assume Aaron Rodgers does what he does, especially get the defense without Feta via now.
Other big defensive lineman.
Let's assume those guys both do that.
Would you now put both of them over Wilson? What if that happens? Where is your rank? If they be who you're saying it could be.
So the Packers play the Buccaneers after their bye week this week.
They played the Titans tomorrow.
If both those dives in those two games getting rid of anything else at, I guess I'll rephrase.
What performances do you need to see from these guys? The past Wilson Samos.
They've had so far to give them that slight edge or something extraordinary or just be good.
Yeah, Alan, I mean, like, I get the Titans like I I don't think that's really like Good enough, In my opinion, I mean, like, that's out the whole like Billy.
You have the whole covert operator.
Who knows how they're gonna look.
Now we have no idea what they're gonna look.
They barely practiced the past few weeks.
I mean, like, well, like, that's not a big factor to me, but right.
Is that you should have been really big game against the Buccaneers.
Like they're my NFC favor.
Like, I think that would be huge.
So he has a really big game against the Buccaneers.
I will say, like, he could be passing ghosts in many periods.
What is your throws, like? 300 plus yards and a win.
It's, like 300 plus yards on and obviously not 300.
Plus, you're like touchdowns of three picks, you know? Yeah.
Obviously sounded like, obviously, I would say, ideally, no pics, Ideally, Yes.
Yeah. All right.
Hey, uh, that's all we have covered.
We do have two questions, Chris.
I had to push these two.
Yeah. All right.
Um, we got the question a little while ago.
Look over it about the season outlook.
If the NFL would, uh, would be able to finish the season.
We both said yes.
Uh, There's no way Do you have the same season outlook now? Obviously, I think we both still think the super was gonna happen.
Um, but is their outlook the same? Or is it? Hey, they might be cutting back on some games.
Or What's your outlook? Yeah, So I say it seen it still finishes for sure.
Well, I say at this point, like I think games are gonna be like losses.
Like, I think like, especially yesterday, I've seen all those different changes of different weeks and stuff.
So I put scheduling logistics instead of breaking court.
I think at this point, so I feel like games probably will be cut.
Will be based on 1% of the new future, then the next 23 weeks.
That's what I say.
Best way to remedy.
At this point, I think.
Do the team bubbles? I think I think like team bubbles in hotel.
Um who knows? Maybe they'll change the playoff structure, as in, you know, maybe more teams get bossed.
Obviously, right now it's just as one team getting by.
Who knows? Maybe they do something with bio weeks finagle a little bit, cut the season short but about the same.
I have a question.
Miami beat the **** out of the 40 Niners.
They had 30 at half.
We talked about him when they beat Jacksonville on Thursday night.
Um, way were asked if they were legit.
We both said This game doesn't mean anything, but right now this teams two and three and two of their losses are to division rivals.
Uh, they lost to the Patriots by 10 lost to the Bills by three because Jaguars bar 18 lost a close one to the Seahawks by eight and beat the 40 Niners 43 17.
Ah, this team legit.
Or do we still need to see more? Are that's it a legit seem like? Like I like him a lot lately.
They've been playing really well this year.
That's what I would say.
Yeah, they they play their jets next.
Um, yeah, it'll probably be three and three, but then they play Rams, Cardinals, Chargers.
Eso That'll be tough, but then Broncos, Dolphins Bangles, um, tough end of the season.
But who knows? Was 17 is this team might sneak in.
I don't think they'll do anything in the playoffs.
I don't think they'll make it, but they Yeah, So what if they're legit? Dog? I'm saying, like, I think they'll be a tough out like That's what I'm saying, Like I don't think will be like a role like a personal routine.
And people were just like going just like like steamrolling last year.
So I think they'll be a tough house.
I think they're legit team that you have to like actually game plan and, like, show up to play again.
That's what I'm I'm not saying legit.
It's like a title contender.
E Yeah, I'm just saying like No, but I'm just saying like I mean, I mentioned two episodes ago.
I'm pretty sure like I like this, Patrick, I think, an underrated career.
I think like like he's like he has some decent like games that he does have flashes the M V P moments in presenting stretches.
So I mean, I think there are just a tough every one of those tough out team.
That's how I feel this, sure, I mean, he had a one game last year right through for like, 450 freaking yards, I think yeah, like he has.
So you just come out of nowhere.
So like there to be a tough out team that you can't like, just sleep over.
All right, Chris, you have your two questions fire away.
So my first one person was after the Game five play.
I got a question from a fan and like they're saying, like Thomas Duncan Robinson, he's really, like, stepped up like Like he had, like, six threes like he was on fire, just hitting left and right.
Part of the reason why Miami won that game.
So, like the question was disappearing like, would you say that like Duncan Robinson, one of the top show? Where do you rank in the top shoes in the NBA? Would you say is better than Clay Thompson? Because the families trying to suggest you better than the Clay Thompson shooting waas already ranking with the shooter? No, he's not better in clay.
Uh, he be all enough to show yet that he's better in clay and Clay is one of the best shooters, that being able to score like 20 points on like, two dribbles.
Um, but he's a jet.
I'd say he's I feel bad for saying this, but here May I feel like he's a Joe Harris, which I think is super underrated by everybody.
I think people think Joe Harris and like all the guys, uh, but But he's a good shooter.
People need to respect him, even though he might not be a slasher.
That we all like scene and fans think is the definition of good.
You have to be a slasher.
Ah, he's a solid player.
He's gonna be a guy that, um boy, if you're looking to win a chip, sign him because he's gonna show up in some big moments.
What about you? Yeah, I would say, like Duncan, he's one of the top shooters in the game.
Obviously, we've seen that throughout, like the year through pretty much, but I wouldn't say like, obviously it's a place.
Better play, like playing just like like like he's just way better, Better release.
Like, I think like it's very unorthodox.
He's kind of a weird way for shoot.
Sometimes I have a kind of throws defenders off, but like Clegg is more pure, like more work assistant, I mean, become corrupted.
He should get a shot off like I'm in the first early in the finals only had, like three shots in a game like Clay, never had a problem getting a shot.
He always had a shot up.
He's taller, like he's taller, like quick release.
So, like the interview probably get a shot off like so That's like a big like questions like, Why is that happening? I think part of it, like I think like Steve Curry, is really good drawing place for shooters.
So I think, like, supposed to like me, like like the corrupted me, like there's a few players drawn up for him, But I wish they had more plays drawn up from the Kim write offs and screen a lot of back cuts.
And that kind of like setting them up for shots.
But the same time, Yeah, I still I think I got able to play.
I mean, Clay, just unbelievable.
37 in the car before just once it gets hot.
He's like one of the hottest player you've ever seen in the history.
Well, and I know it was the questions about shooting, but also a clay hosted the defenders ridiculous, uh, 6% of the player. That's, like nine.
Yeah, conversation and that Game six against.
Okay, see that I really wanted.
Okay, Cito win because of a golden state, Um, I don't think I'll ever see a game like that again.
He rescued them from the pits of hell.
One hell of a player on old player, for sure.
And the other question that God is like, where do you rank LeBron all time or championship or finals? M v P.
This is tough because I always go back and forth because Jordan never lost in the finals and his mentality was insane at the same time.
I don't remember the exact numbers, but if you look at the quality of teams, somebody, somebody ran the stats of this and they ranked the finals teams, all of them of all time based on, like statistics.
And so they came up with the number and rank them all.
And I think it was something like going into last season, the teams that Yonas has.
Excuse me? Not you, honest.
He has not played anybody.
Uh, t the teams.
Who lebron That hurts me a little bit.
The teams that LeBron has played, I think their average ranking in the overall ranking is like 18 which is phenomenal.
And that's the average eso like.
So, like 18th best team of all time in the finals ranked eso like, you know, Number One is like if you said to 72 10 Bulls, whereas the worst teams like a team that **** the bed somehow made the finals when they were 18.
Eso the every team they played was like 18.
Um, and I think Jordan's was, like 28 which still good.
But there is a discernible difference there.
**** it, I would have a good question.
It's good, man, I would have todo one is going to shock some people for finals for for finals.
How were the best player all time? But Brown three.
Hold up. Hold up.
Let me talk about why.
Look, Ron, hold up.
Hold up in the finals in the finals, LeBron Jordan and Kobe are right there.
Here's why, though.
People forget this Celtics team.
When the Lakers played on multiple times Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Garnett, they had depth they had raised on Rondo when he was already triple doubles up the ass.
Pope Kobe Bryant had Pau Gasol look player Dudas, mid thirties Pau Gasol is mid thirties.
And who else did he have Lamar Odom before the drugs? An old Derek Fisher? Shannon Brown? The guys he was around were garbage.
And you still want how many wings they win, Like five.
The first thing is kind of shock, though.
Hey, you only want to finals MVPs.
LeBron afford he And and here's what He's first because because I think he did.
He did more with less.
You look so what? Everyone about shock, but I'm looking at those ones that you want.
Lack left those air.
You can't tell me they're not because that team had no business being in this Boston team that has four All Stars on then.
I can't put Jordan ahead of Kobe because Jordan and Scottie Pippen Scottie Pippen might is probably a top 20 MBA.
Clear right? Yeah, but Jordan won all of his of Titan in Kevin's a top 20 player of all time, So I'm gonna compare teams of Kobe and Jordan.
I got to give the edge to Kobe because Kobe never had a Pippen outside of shock, and when he didn't have shock, he still showed he could do it.
LeBron is third by a hair simply because of Dallas.
He choked the hell out of that serious.
Don't think wrong.
The whole team of **** Whole team.
He would sit there, Um, when they lost to the Spurs.
Look, that's first team is good, but they got the ****.
Beat out of the ****, beat out of so by a hair.
However, if LeBron runs it back and he beats the Bucks in the finals or he beats the Nets and the finals or he beat to improve of Boston team in the finals and he plays some teams along the way and wins M v p.
He passes Jordan because he has shown he can do it with Kyrie, who was **** in Boston.
He took that came a misfit Toys against the Spurs got swept, but he still took him there.
And this team without Davis, I always said I don't think they have them.
So if LeBron wins another chip as M V.
P plays a decent schedule plays different decent teams, he will pass Jordan.
Will he be passed? Kobe? It depends how well he plays, and it depends who he plays.
It's very possible that's where it is right now. Kobe. Jordan.
LeBron all separated by about Ah, hair.
You're not happy? I'm still processing.
I mean, like to talk for a while.
I didn't interrupt it all like I was very polite.
That definitely Yeah, they only enough to like one.
So lame about the coat.
Like Kobe all the time in God Rest his soul.
I mean, like like like tragically lost him, associate.
But the same time Like I would say, I would meant 2009 against the Magic.
That was not the best team like that.
It was The cattle vs.
Lakers will beat the Cavs.
I wouldn't honestly gave her more props.
But the magic they weren't like they were.
There's a three point shooting team like they lived and died by the days weren't hitting the finals, Sally.
I mean, I don't really like Hold that 2010.
That was more impressive.
Like like I will admit it.
But I will say, like I think boss is a little bit too old.
Maybe at that point and like 200 person got hurt, too.
Like that was a huge, huge loss.
They didn't have a game seven.
So I mean, like, because they won't give them by the standard T bills clothes so, like that could be to change.
Have lost right there that just please change the whole argument the same time.
Hopefully, they wanna kill 11 m v p ever.
We go on one through his whole career.
So, like that's like a big kid red flag right there.
Like I said £2 of VPs, like so three of the champions.
He wasn't found.
The VP, like the first championship, was shock shock averaged 38 17.
He Irish like 15.
So I mean, like, that's not the most impressive.
So I mean, like, I don't and put him in like that conversation.
I mean, like, also like you to remember.
Like I think you're going to screw with organic Kareem.
I think about Karim over Kobe, the cream all time ladies score six MBPs six championships like you got a from that conversation to like I I think it's very like comparable really real quick.
I will continue to let you go.
But are you talking about finals or overall? I'm just making sure I'm not the one final soon for the finals.
Finals? Yeah, I think Kareem like magic too.
Like Magic came in as a rookie.
Like you had to put that in their account to.
So, like, I mean, look at the same time.
Like Kareem wanna find VP of 38 years old, so, like he had really good power performances to you have come at their magic tube.
So, like the same time, I don't know, like at the fact that Kobe did when finally be every time.
They just kind of shows you a lot right there.
I mean, obviously, like LeBron Anthony Davis this year.
But Anthony Davis, she was in a second round like first round and lost every year until you have LeBron.
So he wasn't like the all time biggest winner ever.
Like LeBron gotta made him to that player.
You got to kind of be that.
Put that into account too.
So we also like a big plus that, like Kobe and Jordan, bulk had his f l.
Jackson, all of them, like one consistent coach LeBron different coaches for all of them. He had Spoelstra.
He's a Bogle now.
And he had, like Thailand, so that that's like a lot of different ending a lot different offenses, a lot of different, like team dynamic.
So I think a big factor, too.
So, yeah, I mean, like, that's That's where I currently play.
So I mean, like, I put Dwyane Wade performances over Kobe's honestly, because him in 2006 like their doubt.
Oh, to you won four straight games.
African 30 points a game.
I'll put that even over Toby and, like he obviously went to North LeBron that he had to be like a big role.
So eso you gotta rank so obviously, Kobe's third during LeBron one and two.
I think I know you're going to rank them, but just for yeah, LeBron Jordan.
Then I'll even put, like, wait and then, like, maybe put like a Kareem.
Then Kobe like a fire.
The problem I have with actually no I put shack over Kobe.
No, I'm in shock.
The problem I have with Wave is that Dallas Siri's look not to his fault, but that Dallas Siris was one of the Siri's that Donohue, the guy who was the NFL, Uh, and be a rough that that was betting on games and was rigging games he said was rigged.
Now, whether it was or not, I don't know.
But that definitely casts a doubt.
The calls were questionable reading back on it. I was too young to remember.
But reading back on it, um, it was, um, your point to Korean Great player.
You got to play with Michael Cooper, Magic Johnson, James Worthy, Byron Scott, Bob Dandridge A C Green.
That's why I don't put him there.
He was one of the best players. He was a buck.
So, you know, I'm going to be high on career because Lou Alcindor e But he played with two good players.
I mean, held the teams he had, Um, are you I'm not even say arguably.
They were better than Jordan.
I mean, they just had talent top to bottom of is ridiculous s.
So that's why I don't think he's as high.
He wanted finals MVP News 38.
Yeah, that's impressive. His health.
But with these teammates, I want to put him there.
Ryan Got to be that wise, right? You? No, no, but I mean, it's close.
I'll give that to you in the Orlando team.
But do I need to remind you that this Orlando team beat Cleveland E? It wasn't for a crazy buzzer beater.
They would have done it in five games without home court.
Give some respect to this magic team, man.
I mean, the same time, I mean, yeah, like caches didn't really show, but I mean, it was just like it was LeBron on the show.
Like, didn't really have a help.
Like that was a year that I really wanted that coders LeBron found magic.
Like, I really wish you would have had that their career like that was the year that should have happened with 22,000 and time.
Hey, you can't say he had no help because he had the three goats he had.
Jamario Moon had Larry Hughes and he has Andrew Nous Ilgauskas.
Those boys with goats.
He had teammates guys.
So I mean, you have anything else to add to this Chris? No, e Kobe.
Probably top five, maybe, but yeah, like I put like LeBron and Jordan over that.
Like I mean, you bring good product.
Kareem, like you did really good teams like I will get credit for that because I mean 09 and 10 days.
They weren't like amazing teams, but I will give him credit for that.
That's made them before.
Hey, do***ent before we go anything you want to add? Your Russell Wilson M v P candidacy since I shot it down with stats in your own words, Are you fine with love Enough? Lie till next late e mean, Like I said, Wait till next to you.
I think like Russell Wilson, like people show up again like Like he probably hear people like you, like some people did question like, Hey, like the Russell, they didn't play the best game and stuff like, Who was he? Really? The M v p.
Of ah, lot of people are people still talking with Rogers, M V P.
And so he hears that noise you watch when the person VP I'm sure so, yeah, like like I think he'll come back level.
We're talking about them.
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