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I'm joined with Chris again tonight.
Unfortunately, to be honest, because I have to deal with, you know, all of all of this, um, which, you know, bandwagon LeBron fan.
So we'll just keep it at that.
Um, But, Chris, uh, you know, while I tweet out the link go um e can't stop you.
So you might as well say what you want to right now.
I mean, I just had to, like, celebrate.
I mean, I said in first of two.
So LeBron is my guy, The fair players.
Ever since I was a second, grades have been falling for years.
Like he's my dude.
Like I mean, just this performance is just unbelievable.
Averaging 30 11 8 and years 17 35 years of age, fourth finals M v p just is go things, man like 10 MBA final, supporting this level, being the best player in the world.
Just get appreciate the greatest, but we still have it, man, like you can't take it for granted because you might not see another player like LeBron up again.
So I just I gotta have to do this.
But today I know you don't like it, but a like we got another one.
That's 44 that tells you know what that tells that tells me all I need to know.
You're saying that's four.
Because, you know, obviously you're about LeBron and not the team.
Uh, you know, but whatever, I'm not gonna lie.
But, hey, Lakers.
Right now I'm a Lakers fan.
Hey, he'd put on a valiant effort.
We weren't able to pull it out.
I mean, really, they were just gassed.
Um, you know, I mean, I don't think anybody expected them to win the Siri's once their guys were hurt.
Um, even me about that he would win in six once they got hurt, I mean, come on.
Yeah, it was talk.
I mean, e I just think one big thing we had to kind of keep him a note to is like you mean.
Well, he looked totally gas last night, which is a complete annihilation.
They got butt off the floor.
But one thing that LeBron always give to the table, like year in year out is that he always gives us this whole effort.
He never, like, really shows.
Sounds of the t against.
He takes really good care of his body.
So is one thing that really got appreciate that you could tell they like what they hired, but, uh, let's go.
Probably because he takes plays off, right, Chris E u $2 million. Yeah.
Chris and I were talking about that earlier.
That's why I bring it up.
But, you know, over on the subject of the heat, like you said, Jimmy Butler look gas after I mean, that picture of him in game five, you had 48 seconds arrest. He was just slumped over.
One of the best finalist performances I've ever seen.
What that means that I mean, you saw that picture.
It was It's game over from there.
Um, LeBron and 80 don't need help.
And when Jimmy Butler is not enough in the tank, I mean, let's be riel eso with the heat.
Yeah, with I mean 30 I think 39 points they had with, like, seven minutes left in the third.
It was like, Yeah, good luck.
So with that being said, I mean, if you're the heat look, you had one heck of a run.
You swept Indianapolis or Indiana.
You beat the Bucks in five.
That's Mike Budenholzer, but you know, they still deserve that.
Siri's beat Celtics and six.
Right? I believe it was 66 and then lost Thio the Lakers in in six games.
Uh, just fell short of their ultimate goal.
If you're the heat, Chris, what do you do this next year? Jae Crowder, I believe in Guan Dragic.
Both have expiring contracts along with a couple other players.
But you know, what do you do here after after this year? Successful but short of the ultimate prize.
Yeah, so I mean, this office is kind of a weird Austin is not really big creation class, so I felt that he probably I was staying pat personally because I think that's in your experience.
Here is he has experience of being in the final stage now.
I mean, he did not look good for periods of time.
This finals you have bam like you have a final experience and even Jimmy, probably all final experience now, So they're more experienced group.
That kind of experience kind of means alive, just like look at the Raptors team like they really came together last year.
But they had all that playoff experience and whatnot.
So how that's a big plus.
But I just think Miami's biggest move would probably be the next for Asian class.
I mean, if they could get ya honest, it's a It's a wrap.
Like I think, personally, I like I know you're bucks, man.
You want him to stay.
But I think like he's a Miami Heat player like he's like, I think like he has the mentality, he wants to work hard.
I mean, like, he came in the league like scrawny.
He built his way up and just he's always counted out.
So I think it would be a good fit for that team.
Exactly what that team with me, like Kevin Jimmy Butler, I think, would be a good parents.
So I think they should wait.
This you're kind of stamp act on their experience for and then we'll make that really big.
Yeah, Yanis isn't going there.
It's not that I don't I want him to stay.
That's not why he's going to stay.
He's going to stay because I listened to what this dude says on literally at every turn except for one.
Um, in which case he was asked about his contract, in which case he didn't really say a lot.
Um, I would like to believe he was either thrown off kind of other questions since it was two years early.
Really? Um, or he was just, like, ****ing.
I'm focusing on basketball.
Every interviewing questions since then has said he's going to stay with the bucks.
Um, he's not a ***** like Katie.
Uh, it would be a little different if you want to join the heat.
But still, um, man, honestly, from the heat, right, you obviously don't blow it up.
That's not at all.
What I'm saying, but I think you got to make some moves.
Ah, you know, I think you can sell high on some of these guys.
Um, because what we saw was Jimmy Butler needs help.
Um, and even if Goran and bam we're fully healthy, I don't think it would have made much difference.
And he needs help.
I mean, we like we said we saw in game five, Uh, if this team were to run it back, I don't see them beating the Lakers.
Um, I don't see them beating the Nets.
If everything goes well with Brooklyn, Um, if Budenholzer makes changes, which is who the hell knows? Because he never likes doing that.
I can see the bucks at least taking him seven, if not winning Siri's.
And you know, Boston, Who knows what they're going to do.
So I think you gotta I think you've got to change it up somehow.
Not not big, but somehow you gotta tweets and things.
I mean, like, I get You're saying just that like, I think it is like a hardy, because not really a lot of big freeze out there.
They don't have a lot of cap space of summer.
So it is kind of it's hard like the next thing.
I mean, like, you're bringing good point like that is a big if like, s.
So we talked about Are they really gonna be a real deal with chemistry issues there? So, like, they have good chemistry, as we saw throughout the playoffs.
So that's gonna be a given by me the next summer.
I mean, you got like, I would say, even like the market rose, that they could help mall or something.
Like they they think another piece, like another player to kind of compliment Jimmy Butler.
So I think, like, Yes, I I just I just stand pat this year and probably a bigger move next time.
Have more cap space, too.
So, you know an interesting thing I'm thinking about, you know, because I kind of got two different questions here, but one I'd ask you, you know, without the bubble, um, you know, let's take away coronavirus, right? Let let's take away everything that's happened.
Um, if the season progressed on as it would have been, would this Miami team being the finals? Uh, and if not, who would? Oh, that's a really good question.
Um well, personally, I think would have the Lakers, regardless.
Got things are reported shut down.
They were really clicking on all cylinders.
I think that, like, they probably a really good chance of winning it all from the East.
I mean, back last November, I picked Miami Thio win the East because I thought, like it really could match up against the bucks.
Been really tough early on that there is a really poor matchup because, like, the kind of funnel to them and finally honest ends and whatnot.
So I thought we were gonna tough budget for the bucks, regardless.
But I think based on the season shut down, I mean, I think the rappers a really good chance, because I did.
They had a really good bounce back year, like they really bounced back.
So they need a really good chance at the end of the day.
Like I pick my back in November.
So I'm still say, probably Miami.
I would have probably gone with, um maybe Boston.
Just because of the timing with Hayward didn't help.
Um, I think Miami is better in Boston, but, you know, Hayward being reintroduced late you know, even if he wasn't, the piece is not good.
Obviously, um, and then maybe the bucks look not just because they're my team, but I mean, we saw a game one verse.
Orlando, How much home court is needed by this team? Um, I've been telling people from the rooftops, Milwaukee is one of the best home courts.
You know, we we do, and I disagree a little bit on where they rank.
But, boy, I mean, seeing how they play in the bubble, I don't think you can argue that they're not a top five.
Who knows how that would have worked out? You know, I look at the bubble, Jimmy Butler's mentality.
I mean, it just works perfectly for a bubble situation.
Not everybody has that.
Um My other question was, you know, Oladipo said he wants out.
E want your point, though, Like, I would just say, like Miami crowd, like I will say this very dicey.
Like even the peak of like LeBron and wavelike, it was dicey. At best.
I don't need their roles.
Boyle family always Chuck to really late two games, so I'm not a big fan.
Their home court bodies things like Toronto's from court to like.
You have it the whole country, the whole Jurassic Park that they were really good home court to.
That's really good factor.
I mean, and then Boston's like always D's.
But yeah, bring up the point something.
The mighty home court.
I mean, I couldn't deciding factor right there.
So and shout out Toronto's fans.
I hate Toronto because they always knocked the bucks out.
But, I mean, you can't argue with their fans.
Their fans air just ridiculous.
Uh, yeah, but back to the depot.
I mean, you see a guy you can trade for.
I mean, it's gonna be tough.
Obviously, you don't want to get rid of too many of these pieces, but, you know, could you see maybe a deal for Kendrick Nunn's, um, first rounders, maybe some other pieces take on a contract on, And if so, would that even work? See, my thing is like, I wouldn't go that wrong because old people injury history and I think I really like Miami Young talent because I think Kendrick Nunn, like he didn't play the best players.
There's a lot of it because he was kind of like his condition is throwing off because he had co vid like, right before the bubbles.
These conditions kind of thrown off kind of like breathing issues.
So I think that would remedy over time.
Hopefully, like, wish for the best for him as he recovers from code still.
But, I mean, you got like, Tyler hero.
You got Kendrick Nunn.
Like a lot of really young guards, I think you should really gotta focus on that route.
So I want to try to bring another guard like that.
I mean, Miley work, do something.
They were probably should go big.
I would kind of like, help out band.
I mean, what Bam got hurt.
His shoulder wasn't the same like the whole Siri's like Like they had ignored really big guys like Don.
That's a big Anthony Davis.
So I think if they weren't making Moon has to be someone big.
That's why I suggested you honest, I might be a bit of pipe dream.
I mean, I was just kind of just talking to what they do is kind of a bigger body.
I mean one guy that he could kind of go under the radar I agree with you on the bigger body, but DEMAR DeRozan he's not what he waas, um, but he's a guy that, you know, this team is deep and they have a lot of pieces.
I think he could be not not a star, but enough of a guy where if Jimmy Butler's ever out him and those pieces could do pretty solid because, I mean, if Butler gets hurt, this team is done.
I like the team with this team is done.
Um, and any final thoughts because I mean, any guys you're looking at because we know Pat Riley, Pat Riley is gonna do whatever the hell he want.
Yeah, I'm I will probably be Blake Griffin.
I honestly So he's a free agent in 2021 to the next summer.
So I think, like he could be something that could go for.
I mean, like, he's kind of had a bounce back in Detroit like he was pushing towards an all star level before he got hurt.
So I think that could be another piece that could try toe for a bigger body, kind of help out bam and stuff and try to get that wear and tear off bam.
So it was like a Darcos print out.
They could even get, you know, who knows? Maybe, Ah, sign and trade kind of deal.
Or maybe a trade if he says he'll sign on because pistons have nothing.
Uh, they're not gonna be anything soon.
They got some nice players, but yeah, So, speaking of a relevant, uh, the Chicago Bears and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers play Thursday night, Christine bears giving him a hard time about that.
We texted about this.
There's came out on top.
I did not expect it to happen, but hey, sure. ****.
Their foreign one.
Ah, I tweeted out.
I said, What did I say exactly? You were not happy with it, to say the least, Chris.
What did I say year? Chris, what a paraphrase.
You're saying that both the bucks and the Bears were overrated? This is pathetic.
As of the bears, nor the Buccaneers deserve to be four and one.
Both are extremely overrated and can't stop committing stupid penalties.
Um, hey, Chris, you said hey, this isn't happening.
I'm not going to take this.
We're gonna debate this.
Ah, tell me about those bears, man.
Why? Why do people need take him seriously? A foreign one? Yeah.
I mean, like their defense is next level, like their front four is just, like, phenomenal.
Just Khalil Mack, like leading the way is like they don't need to blitz.
They could always just, like, play straight out, just focus on the secondary.
So that kinda helps the demons that were off.
They were really, really, really good front for.
So that's one thing to keep in mind.
Also, like I mean, like, I like Nicole especially like like he's showing up in, like, big moments.
I'm gonna get the big game at Chicago like in the playoffs two years ago, like obviously a Super Bowl one run.
So he shows up in big moments.
So it's It's kind of like a player that you gotta keep an eye on.
So I mean, like, early on, like, I was kind of dice in Chicago, where he played, but they beat a really good Tampa Bay team like I liked him.
Obey a lot like going to the year after that.
Come because actually, when the NFC like, I liked him a lot like overalls, their experience and talent.
So let me Chicago, Chicago beat him like straight up.
And I think another big factor, too, is you have to go to Soldier Field and beat them to more than likely like if they were in division.
Could be through Soldier Field.
They have a really good record on like Soldier Field, like Chicago.
When it's cold, they can't remember.
This is January February.
It's gonna be like 20 degrees, 10 degrees, all right on Lake Michigan, the like breeze right finally into that stadium like I've been a social feel like it's really windy.
They're like, Is this super super windy? It's not a fun place to play, so that's that's another really big, huge factor that goes into it.
So, yeah, I'm saying Don't sleep on the Bears and e mean Tampa Bay like they didn't show.
I mean, like, Tom Brady kind of had a brain **** and he thought it was parked down.
I mean, like, he didn't was parked down.
But I mean, Tampa Bay, like they have a pretty decent this year to besides the first game, so, like they're still going to try to figure each other out on offense.
trying to click each other more and they get better.
Attention season going along.
So I mean, I like both teams.
I mean, it's really good.
We'll see the release.
So So you talked about the Bears playing at home? Uh, there's there's this team a little north of them called the Packers, where it is colder.
It is louder and they have a better success in the playoffs, but one less loss.
So, you know, they never said anything about the playoffs.
Yeah, they said for the regular season, probably probably.
But, you know, let's look at the bear schedule here.
Stafford's down Golladay and they were up 23 to 6.
Uh, Stafford threw stupid pick drops with past Bears.
One be to too risky.
18 for 28 190 yards, two picks.
Second half possessions consisted of an interception, punt interception, Miss Field goal one by four to a giant sea without take one week.
Three first 10 possessions.
Chris Miss field goal field goal.
Punt, punt, touchdown, punt, interception, interception, punt downs.
Running backs average 2.
4 yards per carry, and they scored a garbage time TV to it TD to a team that gave up three touchdowns, dementia in 19 of 20 and they only scored form or against the Colts. And the Jets did.
Week five running back transfer 36 yards on 13 carries.
Feta Via broke his ankle during the game, and Tom Brady's and Competence and Tampa Bay's 11 penalties for 109 yards really hurt them in that game.
You know, I'm looking and I'm not trying to look for excuses here, but I'm looking at these games and therefore in one, but I haven't seen anything that that jumps out at me is This is a foreign one team, is there? I mean, like, the only thing I would say it's probably could be but said, Hang their hat on.
I mean, like, obviously like they held down like a giant seem to 13.
But I mean, like, that's the Giants.
You can't hang your hat on that, But I mean, like, demons have been really good the past few years, like you got to kind of look at the past years like they've always had a really good demon has always been like the quarterback in the office were really kind of shaky and like I mean, like, now that Nick close a quote that he's reliable, He's good enough like he's not elite, but he's a solid starter, and I mean, like, Yeah, I don't Robinson.
He's like one of the top receivers in the game, like he's been like, killing it all year.
But I mean, we'll see more about the bearers.
I mean, it might be a bit too early, but me, they're playing the Rams in two weeks.
They're playing, but they're like the Saints.
And so I think they will, like, kind of prove them.
So I mean, Green Bay, obviously.
I mean, that's me, a huge matchup.
We can't wait for that.
You kind of see how that goes.
But I mean, like next week to play like the Rams and we're all in there.
We're going to see how they kind of fair up against those.
Yeah, I mean, this bears keen eye.
I just looked at the stats, You know, they they have outscored their opponents by one point per game, 33% on third down efficiency turnover ratio is minus one.
They're 27th in yards per game, 25th in points per game.
The combined records of teams they beat is four and 14 You know, Hey, I will always give it to you.
The Bears defense is good, but, hey, when you get into the grit and grind games late in the season in the playoffs, Rothen's got to show up.
And I'm just not seeing that you talked about Nick Foles.
We need him to do it now.
And he did not look good.
He and the Buccaneers, Um, is this something where you think he's just in the system too early? He's still gonna use to it because, I mean, he's a veteran quarterback.
He should not be playing like this.
Yeah, I would say some of his public chemistry issues, you remember, like going in.
They thought I was traditionally the starter, like I don't know why.
They said that shouldn't fall from Day one, in my opinion, but that's like another top of the guests.
But yeah, I mean, like like he kind of just got thrown in and he got thrown in, like in the third quarter of the Atlanta Games, like that really good, like come back all the way down So I mean, like like he has shown flashes.
But I mean, like, I think part of it's like you gotta learn, like getting the chemistry.
I think like, Ah, big factor about this season is there was no preseason, so you kind of like miss a lot of his chemistry issues and kind of like having him out, get some game reps and stuff.
So it's kind of like he's feeling his way out still, so I think we gotta give me a little bit of benefit. The doubt.
I mean, he hasn't been like, completely dominant, and I never thought he never said he's a dominant player.
I think he's just a good enough starter like waving.
That's Robiskie because that's all he needed to have a better travesty to kind of the These are part of the offense, kinda like help help out the defense.
So I mean, I think he's good enough.
In my opinion, I mean, like, we'll see if the season goes on, especially that the Rams game really interesting.
I mean, Aaron Donald has been like he's obviously a monster, so hopefully like he doesn't go crazy or something.
But yes, I think What? Wait and see you right.
I'm trying to believe more and more about me in the first four weeks I didn't believe in because all that playing that alliance Giants, I don't believe in them.
But trying to believe them a little bit more and more.
And the loss against the Colts, I mean, the culture, like people sleep on the Colts like you are talking to enough like, I think the culture a really good team.
The they did get man handled by Cleveland this past week.
I like to point out a team that almost lost to Dallas, but you know, Yeah, they Cleveland people again, the Cleveland hype in general.
But I just think like I watched a little of the Cleveland game like Odell and Landry, they really bailout Baker like he throws like bad pass and he is really go leap out and grab it like he's not been playing well that they're really building amount over in Cleveland.
You know, Nick Foles.
You said you think he's good enough? Um, I'm not gonna argue with it because I haven't seen him play in this offense.
Stats say no, but obviously it's still early.
But I think the real question is, is this guy going to be able to stay healthy because he has not been able to show it? Outside of I think he had one.
He had one good year in Philly his first year.
He had one good Super Bowl run.
But outside of that man, this dude gets hurt all the time.
If he gets hurt again, it's Robiskie comes in.
I think we both agree they have no chance.
How confident you unfolds to stay healthy here.
I'm not confident.
Even last year in Jacksonville, like he got hurt like Game three of the game two or three, you got hurt right away.
Broke that collarbone.
So, yeah, like he is kind of like advice of guys when it comes to their abilities, especially the NFL.
You know, who knows, like look at Jack Prescott, obviously, like you never know, like three things can happen any given play and like he has a history of the giddy injured.
So that is concerned.
That's why I like, kind of like when I first started out, I kind of felt like Okay, So start your brisket, moving for a few more weeks and then, like, bring back polls for that in the years, that kind of like reduce that risk.
So that's something that could do down the line.
They could be much too risky for kind of like the weaker teams.
Kind of like I said, kind of like stack of the winds now bringing Zabriskie like, like, once together, have a like a better record.
It's kind of like expelled for Poles, kind of protective and then bring him early self, their friends.
So hopefully balls lined up falls in line like that.
I mean, with this season was like games being postponed and and definitely left and right.
I mean the car to say, but hopefully about the mind for that way.
Speaking of kids being postponed, the Titans continue to be a problem.
I believe it was Sunday.
Another staffer tested positive.
Uh, he must not have been important, staffer, because the game is still going on tomorrow night as scheduled as of now.
But, boy, these titans, they just continued to cause problems for the NFL.
Um, e and I just kind of got a rant a little bit.
Um, you know, this team practiced against the rules, and and for those of you who did not see, uh, safety Kevin buyers in the quarterback, Ryan Tannehill put out quotes.
Um, and, you know, I'm taking this from their words.
People fear him.
Feel empowered to go to the extremes without knowing the details.
The I was attending, Hill said and fired said protocols that we and the league have aren't foolproof.
Um, I don't know how you feel about this, but from me personally to them.
Um, look, e mean, we saw the details.
You practice against the rules.
So what the hell else do we do? We need to see you broke the rules.
And as for the protocols, they work if you follow them.
When you have a practice that break the protocols, what do you expect to have? And you expect there to be? No consequences, healthwise.
I mean, this team screwed Pittsburgh out of a by the bills now have to have an early week.
And possibly if they play Kansas City scheme with them, moves to two teams inconvenience for for this one Titans team, they can't even given apology.
I'm saying that if l need to go at them, even if nothing else happens, uh, you know, I'm all ears.
What do you think about this Titans ordeal and their comments here? Yeah, So I mean, I hear you saying, like Like I think it is wrong that you're going against the rules.
Obviously, in practicing that is totally unacceptable.
And like, obviously, we saw it made things worse in their end.
So that's not a good look for the league.
The team at our anything, like, really bad PR look.
But to their defense, I mean, like, the change of protocol or the day before the practice, something like, maybe they weren't entirely sure what a man.
It kind of came out of nowhere.
And it was kind of like mercy, something.
Maybe that they didn't really understand.
Like what the full protocol was, because they're changing a protocol constantly, like, really like our about ours, always changing the protocol.
I mean, And then it's like seeing yesterday, like all their postponements and the schedule changes like I just was so confused. Almost had a stroke.
Kind of Riedel Schedule change I'm like, what is all going on? There's, like, six different teams involved.
Like I can't imagine NFL logistics team right now.
Just trying to figure out all these schedule All these by elites are being moved.
And what Non doms? Yeah.
I mean, like, I feel bad for the Steelers. Like you said.
Like like they really got screwed into the buyer eq.
And they will be playing what they said 12 weeks in a row like that is so exactly Yeah, exactly.
And like that, they love the complaint.
They look really good this year.
So I think it probably a playoff team, so they could just be, like, frozen all the way through.
So that's gonna be, like, really brutal, like, hopefully lead to injuries on their end.
So I mean, like, yeah, so I mean, like, it's not a good look for the league for the Titans or PR anything.
But I mean, I have to have a little bit better for the Dalai.
Maybe it didn't really know, Like, baby kind of like ignorant, I guess.
Maybe I don't know.
So, yeah, there was ah, guy from the NFL.
I don't remember his name, but Apparently, he's the guy that the league has in charge of communicating these protocols to the team.
Um, according to him, it was very clearly communicated.
Obviously, uh, did that really happen? We don't really know.
He's not going to say, you know? Oh, my bad.
You know, I screwed up.
I mean, you know, there is a margin for error there, but, you know, I gotta ask, what's the point of protocols now? I mean, seriously, I mean, whether the Titans knew it or not, um, they didn't follow it.
I mean, you could have assumed that was going to be a president, even if you didn't know it. Ah.
And now the NFL has shown that they're not going to set a precedent.
Uh, they're not gonna do anything about this team.
Um, and this doesn't even cover, you know, Shadow, Minnesota losing practice time against their game.
Um, when when it had to be pushed back and had to be out of there, you know, out of their facilities, you know, now we have three teams have no room toe work.
I mean, what does NFL do? Are they able to enforce anything now or does that just cause more issues with teams saying, Hold on.
What about Tennessee? Yeah, So, I mean, like, to kind of go back to your previous point like this is another example of Goodell like he just so inconsistent this punishments like it just I don't get it.
Like Like how he enforces the rules and all that.
He's still consistently.
I'm not a briefing with commissioner.
That's just point number one.
But I mean, like, yeah, I agree.
Like like I don't like the look of like going against the protocol and stuff.
I said, the only way to fix at this point is like, I kind of like that.
Deals like maybe having like Team Bubbles is saying, like all the teams that you stay in your home market, you staying there may be a hotel or something like like for the week, maybe have, like, family visit like once or twice a week and make it tested as they get in or something, maybe Like, that's probably the only way I could think of like happened.
I think they'll make a lot more like, kind of isolated better and like, because right now, like didn't go home Like it wherever they please, You can do whatever they want there all the time.
Like e think like that's just pretty much outbreak waiting to happen so that the only way inspired you do like bubbles in the home market inspired the only way to kind of containing at this point, Yeah.
And I mean, the thing that just confuses me is you know, if you're the NFL and you're not gonna do anything, why are you coming out and saying, Oh, we found this.
This this The guy who was in charge of this said they definitely knew, you know, And there are rumblings about historic punishment.
I would assume that came somewhere out of the NFL.
So to say all this and then nothing, that just seems weird.
Typical Goodell work.
Yeah, they're just so like he's so weird, like stuff like that.
So it will definitely play a role in in the A F. C.
South to I mean, the Colts are in it.
The Titans are obviously in it.
Who knows what the help might happen with the Texans? I mean, this team might pull something around a little teasing against Jacksonville But, I mean, you are the very play and with the with seven teams in the playoffs, I mean, if this team goes to the playoffs, they're gonna have a target on their back, for sure.
And the interesting thing, though, is there.
There's one Monday night game tonight.
Uh, it's New Orleans at the Rat Chargers, or either or, um, Broncos Patriots.
Monday night football game was postponed.
Um, are you know, we we talked about the punishments, but are you just surprised? I mean, the staff were tested positive Saturday.
We had your Sunday.
We had guys testing positive for the Titans Friday, and it didn't seem like there were that many, if any, positive tests for Broncos Patriots.
That game got moved, but not bills. Titans.
I mean, that doesn't make sense to me.
Yeah, that was very confusing me.
I mean, like, maybe the one that should day helps because they're playing, like on Tuesday or to the Monday they Maybe that could essentially helping their something like could be other events happening in the state.
We're sending the But they couldn't work out.
Maybe like some kind of obligation, It could be all kind of logistics like something along those lines.
But I mean, like, yeah, like maybe the staffer for the Titans, like like you probably like, distantly removed.
So maybe, like, works like the obvious something.
So maybe that close of players and coaches.
So it could be like something along those lines.
And that way holds me because the Patriot was players.
There's stuff on Gilmore.
Came knew that that your two star players So a lot of people, probably a lot of contact those players.
So by like by being extra state to make sure that they're not like then it has been too soon.
There's not showing their positive.
Yes, it could be infected.
We don't even know yet.
I'm not accusing the NFL of anything when I say this, but I mean, I think it's definitely possible.
Do you think it's possible that the NFL said, Look, um, we have already lost their bye week? Um, we need to get this game going.
Do you think it's possible they took a risk here and not saying that there are positives that they didn't release? But do you think they knew this and knew the discrepancy between the two games and the test and said, We can't waste another week.
It's going to go on anyways.
Do you think thats possible from the NFL? I don't think so, because I think, like, especially the Titans, like if anything, they should lose, like, forfeit again.
It should just not like it should be, like kind against them because of the practice that they like.
You mentioned that because they already broke the protocol, broke the rules.
You should have kind of a couple of organ like that.
They're doing that.
I mean, trying to so hard to try to get them to like them, even playing field everyone else.
But like, I mean, like, if they were still showing positives and like it was still like a potential big outbreak or something or transmission.
Then if I was NFL like I personally, I wouldn't give him like no child.
But I see you already lost a chance.
You screwed up like that's it, like that's done because you already screwed the protocols.
So I mean, like, I could think No, like, that's just my opinion.
So, yeah, I put nothing past Cadel, but things like thes air so hard to keep under wraps.
I would assume not.
Yeah. Then the tightest.
Like I mean, like, I mean, it was just like the cheese or something that they could really like elite, like like top the NFL like team.
Like I could Probably that more.
But because of the Titans, I mean, times are like one of the premier like teams in the league right now.
So, like, I don't see the NFL trying do bend over backwards.
Just supported teams like E kind of perplexing.
Well, at the same time, then if I would have to think that either a, uh, they could keep this under wraps, uh, eat Or either they have kept it under wraps, which is nearly impossible, or B.
They're stupid enough to think they keep it under wraps, which eventually everything comes out.
Eso we will see ah, moving on toe further games or more recent games.
We had an interesting game last night.
Seattle Seahawks bested, outlasted really the Minnesota Vikings.
Chris's Weinstein E.
I don't know whether to be happy or sad, because people Carol is an ass I will never forgive him for.
Forgive him for doing all these violations and leaving us.
Um, but I hate the violence too.
1st, we're going to get into Russell Wilson whether or not he is the M v P.
We both have two completely different answers.
But first, the Minnesota Vikings had an interesting play call late in the game.
They had the ball fourth and want the Seattle 62 minutes left.
Um, Chris, if if your zimmer you going for it or you kick in that field goal even the field goal house what I'm doing, I'm kicking that in.
Especially because double cooked like like he was He was out to like, because, like, I mean, like, obviously that was a really big lot of his double cookout thing was going for.
But, like, I mean, I would've been saving just kick kick for coming like we'll put you update So that's what I would have done e I would agree.
And I understand.
You know, if you get the first down, you can really believe the clock kicked the field goal and the game is practically over.
But I mean, man, you go up eight.
You like the best.
Yeah, yeah, you're going toe over time.
And that's assuming you don't have time left.
It's very possible you have time left to, and it just and we saw it on the Seattle's, uh, one time out, right? I think they don't really have one time out, right? I think they only had one.
I think they did s that's even, like, more like I think they had one.
I think they only had one time out the time, But then I just added more to its like they really could even, like, really, like, stop the clock that they have the ball back.
Yeah, like if I'm Zimmer like, I don't know why, I like I would just kicked it then.
Like to go up eight because, like, the worst you can do is like, it's a tired.
I mean, like, like even the last drive, like they didn't get two point conversion, so they would have lost the game right there.
So, yeah, Seattle did have on Lee one time out. Their third.
I mean, yeah, it's just And that was going to bring that up to obviously the two point division play called probably would have been different if they needed it.
Um, I mean, they obviously still wanted it when they scored a touchdown.
But you're right that they didn't get it.
And with the way Russell Wilson was playing up to that point, I mean, just take eight.
I feel like he got too cute and Collins were setting off.
There was a crowd here who would have gone for it.
But man without Dalvin cook, this is a bad look.
And the Vikings after this, they got the Falcons.
I mean, who knows what Dan Quinn fired? They got the Packers Lions.
That's a crap shoot.
Bears, Cowboys, Panthers.
I mean, a lot of these games could go their way, but a lot of these they don't have anything guaranteed.
Uh, is it panic time? Not necessarily for the Vikings, because, obviously one of four it is, is it almost panic time for Mike Zimmer in Minnesota is the question.
I don't think it's for my pants for him, per se, I don't think so.
I mean, like, it's just been a kind of a weird year.
I think especially was like really gone, I think, because they have so many like new rookies on defense.
E mean like, no experience of priestly.
That's like, really frightening, I think kind of like they're kind of feeling way out.
So I mean, I'll give him a path to me like he didn't look a track record like, I mean, like, think they made the playoffs for the past few years like they really good run.
So I mean, like like, I don't think his jobs in the hot seat right? And they could make a run.
I mean of schedule space and get you listen to schedule.
That sounds for favorable, that they could win those games.
They really could even get the Packers like I still pick up my Packers, one of the toughest one, but like they could win those games.
They really could like Cowboys on the Cowboys, unbeatable like I don't think like like the Bears.
I mean, like like you had a question about them, so they maybe they could, like, beat the Bears or something.
And like the panic, I think maybe the Panthers, so like, I mean, the schedule is favorable.
I think so they could turn it around, but like they have to start like next game.
Yeah, because, you know, I talked about the Panthers.
Obviously, this way in advance, A lot of stuff is going to change.
But panthers around Thanksgiving, they love Christian McCaffrey back.
They've actually looked pretty solid that they're into right now.
They played Jaguars.
That'll be interesting.
But then the last four week of the season at Tampa Bay Bears at New Orleans at Detroit.
So I mean, they've got to get something going now, because those last four weeks, they're gonna be absolutely brutal.
I would agree on Zimmer.
I think it's a little too early, but boy, he is play calls in crunch time, as seen by the fourth down conversion.
Uh, they're not helping his case, but, you know, kind of pivoting to that game.
I have never erupted at this man so much when he said at the end of the game, you know, some long lines of if you're looking for an M.
V P candidate, look no further.
Chris, I got four quarterbacks here for you today.
Alright, I got four point before you get into that.
Just another thing.
That about Zimmer to like like the Vikings lost the opposite coordinators.
So, like they're kind of redundant office to. That's a really big factor.
I mean, like, Zimmer's, like, known to be a defensive guys.
So I mean, I think you Chris, that the defense more.
But like, they lose the opposite coordinates like means that called for the Browns right now, probably a lot better on offense.
So I think another really, really big point of credit point out.
Well, and And Hey, I didn't think Stefanski would be good.
I really didn't, um, but his Brown's air.
What foreign One eso this.
Okay? I mean, like, I don't believe in them, but they are form one.
I mean, also the Vikings.
I mean, we're really misstep on days.
I wish we had all he's been killing with the bills with him.
And how are missing so much So like I said about Russell Wilson, or you have forced that lines, you're gonna have to guess who is who.
I'm not gonna give you names.
I'm just going to give you stat lines.
You have to tell me which one is Russell Wilson Quarterback? 1 18 for 33 195 yards.
and a touchdown quarterback to 19 for 30 183 yards in a pick quarterback, 3 20 for 33 222 yards Quarterback, 4 16 19 with 140 yards to touch. Sounds in a pick.
Now. I think you're going to get it, but the point is still the same.
All those quarterbacks played pretty much the same.
The played pretty much just a well with each other.
Which of those four quarterbacks is Russell Wilson? Is it the last one? It is.
But you know those quarterbacks that he's close with quarterback one.
Joe Flacco against Arizona quarterback to Joe Burrow against Baltimore, they put up three points.
Quarterback for Daniel Jones.
They lost to a team without Prescott.
Now these stats for for Russell Wilson Mind ur minus are not including the final drive.
Which final drive? All get into again later.
Ah, but how is this guy a VP? I mean, don't get wrong. It's super early.
But when Rogers has been flawless, when Josh Allen has been flawless, how is this guy even in that VP conversation, much less looking at the front runner? I mean, so I've been kind of wave this question all day, so I would say the biggest.
The best comparison is you want people? Last year we passed my homes like he did not play the best, but he really didn't.
He looked very shaky for three quarters when the fourth quarter, he turned it around.
But then he like, Hey, let that come back door down by 10.
They came but wants to bowl.
He wants to go on BP and then the people People never talk about that.
You will never talk about three quarters.
Hosers pretty much all those garbage.
He was not very good in the bowl.
It was not looking good for him at all.
Like you lost that game over.
Really hurt is like like you see, like you would not be a half billion dollar man.
It would be we lost that game.
But I mean, I think a big fact I was you know, I think you can take it amounts.
It's not about like how you are from the whole game is how he finished.
So I mean, like, my home is simple.
He really like he believed himself.
He said, Hey, like I'm the best quarterback in the world.
I couldn't do this.
I can come back.
I came back down 24 nothing against the Houston, Texas, so I could definitely do a 10 point.
So he let that come back.
And like Wilson, I mean, like like you mentioned like I mean, it wasn't like he wasn't got awful, but he wasn't like M v P like it's just like Okay, maybe average quarterback most of the game.
But, like, I mean, the pick wasn't nice either.
But I was not Russell Wilson, like at all, but, I mean, just in general, just like like, if I don't drive like I mean, like, once he got the ball back of the bike and I was like, Oh, boy, here we go Like I was so nervous.
I was like, shaking.
I said, Oh, no, Here we go.
Then, like because I just started looking his eyes like he believes himself like he knows that he's like a religion quarterback.
I would arguably the best in the league, like one of the top of the league, obviously so I mean, like, he kept his head up like that, and that's just a lot about you.
Like that's like a true like M V P.
It's kind of like, despite you're not like being like your one of your best game, you're still gonna perform in the big moment and come back with the wind.
So is he a major processor? That, and I think he deserves it for that school.
One of the big points I like to point out Mahomes in that Super Bowl. He still played well.
26 42 206 yards.
Touchdowns, two picks.
A lot of things I'd like to point out is the chief scored 10 out.
I would like to points about for for those you watching.
Chris and I were talking about Aaron Rodgers the other day and Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs, and Chris set about the NFC championship game when the Packers got ran out of the building by the end of the first half.
How do you not put up any points in the first half? That was the best defensive league Chris this Minnesota defense.
Not the best even sleep.
We have talked about this at length.
This team has way too many rookies.
Can you tell me how many points Russell Wilson put up in the first half against this defense? Hey, didn't score.
No, he didn't support.
If we're gonna hold them, we're gonna hold them to the same standard as Rogers because we're comparing these guys an EVP.
And you said you can't put up no points in the first half and we're talking about a 49 or defense verse in Minnesota Defense.
How is this different? I mean, like, you're you're talking NFC Championship.
To go to the Super Bowl, which is a regular season game.
Like obviously, night and day like that is like, that is just a huge like, I don't need championship.
You're like, That's just a huge pressure, Like obviously, like he was nervous, just like, oh, I could go to seek ball second time in my career and just like he just didn't, like, show up.
Obviously, you can't breathe right this season versus NFC championship, because obviously the Seattle would have lost his game this season continues.
They still got lots of games to go through, like they still got what like there will be 11 games like to go through at least the obviously probably going to play out.
So that's at least probably 12 games and that the the minimum.
So I mean, like, you're you're talking a little bit regular season game versus, like NFC Championship, like also a championship game again against the best defense in the league.
Um, also on the road, I might add, with fans.
Whereas this, uh, there were no fans eso there's nobody to boo him.
There was nothing, um really bad to come from it.
So I mean, you know, there was nothing really going against him.
Whereas Rogers is in one of the, um, you know, largest stadiums and loudest stadium in the NFL, You know, on top of that, this Minnesota defense is, you know, worse than the Jets.
Statistically, let's see.
32nd, 31st, 26th in yards given up in the NFL.
Um, points per game.
Uh, they are how many points for games they've given up.
It has been pretty this year.
So Russell Wilson does puts up the exact same amount of points as Aaron Rodgers with no pressure, no fans against the defense about 26 in the NFL, whereas Rogers played the number one.
But what we want harp on that very often very long.
First half drives one like this for Russell wasn't punt punt punt in, which took two stacks in the third one and then to the half we talked about makes them.
We're going for it on fourth down.
That changed the game.
****ing little one everybody's talking about, You know? Russell Wilson. Final drive.
You have 77 passenger at 17 Russian arts.
That's what nobody wants to hang their hat on.
What I saw and I want to see what you have to say about this if you include the two point conversion.
He threw 13 passes. Chris.
How many did he complete? How many? Four.
How four against the 26th ranked defense in NFL with no crowd I at home in a no pressure game.
This guy was four for 13 on the final drive.
He scored a touchdown.
Four for 13 no points in the first half.
Even with all that, I mean, his stats were nothing great.
I mean, yeah, I finally drive.
He was he was kind of locked in this like getting a lot of increase ever watching that drive like it was like he did a lot of incompletions at the same time.
He did still get it done like NFC Championship, like Rogers that he didn't score.
But like, if you would have won that game, I would have been, like all time, like performance, like I still like.
Like, would have been really good.
Like like Brussel.
He he didn't finish the deal.
I mean, like it all back to the Roger versus Wilson thing, I just think like I mean person.
Her writers are higher standards.
So, like Rodgers like people say, he's like one of the best of all time.
Like ever period like best talented quarterback, like we've ever seen Wilson like, We've never said anything remotely close to that.
Like we recognize he's really good.
We recognize he's like M V P for the year, but like he's not even in the conversation of, like, goat best all time, like no one, even like he's having a discussion of that.
If people even think about Russell Wilson, this is another thing that factor into, I mean, like, yes, that wasn't pretty but like he still didn't lead to drive.
And like like he made to really keep, like, final driving.
Even wasn't the prettiest.
Like I'm really We still I still thought that I could stand a chance because, like, yeah, I made a lot of completion like you mentioned, but, like, he still makes him really like key.
Like deep throws on that final drive.
Now, Chris, you said if if Russell Wilson had finished, uh, Aaron Rodgers had finished the job against San Francisco would have been all time performance.
Um, let's look at that performance.
But Rogers, we're looking at Rogers right now.
He had Davante Adams.
That's it. All right.
He's going to get to know more defense in the league. On the road.
We're gonna wipe out one of his two interceptions.
Because if you're watching the game, that interception they were down.
I mean, they were down 17.
They were just throwing Hail Marys.
They're just trying to get **** to stick to the wall.
So s So let's put that there.
31 for 38 326 yards, two touchdowns.
One pick with the second pick. included.
His rating is 97.2.
So this guy against the no more defense on the road with his defense doing nothing with the crowd against them still puts up those numbers.
Veteran Wilson and the point just because remember waiting last night was 100.
7, like you got a decent rain last night to like again against the 26 ranked defense.
But But here's my point.
Well, look at what Russell Wilson did pales in comparison Darren Rogers, even though he hits same standards of no points in the first half with, Like I said, with Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers up to this point being near flawless in their MVP candidacy, how can you? Possibly when I'm thinking is how can you possibly put Russell Wilson ahead of them with this performance? Because this is not an MVP caliber.
And to be honest, this performance is just the dud.
I don't think it's gonna be anything more.
This performance is that of a quarterback who will not when he was Super Bowl he obviously has but year wise been into he's been into Roger's live in a one.
How deep how is he How is he ahead of Rodgers right now? How is he? Ahead of Josh down right now.
Show some love, Josh.
How is the head of either? Because in my mind, he should be probably third right now, if not fourth.
Patrick Mahomes Kind of iffy.
I mean, I mean, Alan, I'm not sold on him like I'm not so in the bills.
Like I'm just really not.
But I mean, like, people like hold like he had a game when he drive against the Rams.
The people said that was bogus.
I mean, like, so European.
Are you dismissing? Like the fact that it was still game? When you drive that Russell Wilson like, like, lead you are using a completely dismissed like it never happened, is already gonna dio That has nothing to do with, like, a one drive is fantastic.
But if you're looking at stats than this season, which is going away more what? However, many minutes to quarter everything in a game except for the last two minutes or one drive in which he still only went four for 13 and one because other team did not kick a field goal.
Onda looking at Josh Allen.
You know, he's only been okay.
1300 yards, 12 touchdown toe, one pick.
I just don't know.
I mean, I don't tell me.
How is how How are you putting Russell Wilson ahead of both of them right now at this point again? At this point this season.
I mean, like, I just still viewers, like, close to me.
Yeah, like, it wasn't the prettiest performance, but I just think like it was still like the game we drive deals help.
I mean, like, at the same time, Like I will admit, Like, you can't slowly, like like, a place game when he drives like that as a tell all, because, like, do you know what? The league game when he drives in the past decade, like, you know, like lead it? Yeah.
Yeah, that's the thing.
So I mean, obviously, like, we're not.
We don't consider him one of the top quarterbacks.
I mean, it's not like most ideals that I loved it, but I mean, like, we still have a lot of season left.
I mean, like, we still got the game, gets San Francisco to feel how it doesn't cause that defense like we got like you're playing against Buffalo.
That's gonna be huge.
Allen versus Wilson so, like, we'll see what happens there.
Get the Rams deepest.
That's gonna be really big games.
I mean, it's a chance to prove himself, so we'll see him.
Josh Allen plays, uh, Tennessee Titans on Tuesday.
Um, Aaron Rodgers has a buy, but next week he will play Tampa Bay.
Um, let's assume, let's just for the point of argument.
Let's assume that Josh Allen does what he usually does or has done to this point.
And let's assume Aaron Rodgers does what he does, especially get the defense without Feta via now.
Other big defensive lineman.
Let's assume those guys both do that.
Would you now put both of them over Wilson? What if that happens? Where is your rankings? If they be who you're saying it will be.
So the Packers play the Buccaneers after their bye week this week.
They played the Titans tomorrow.
If both those dives in those two games getting rid of anything else, Uh, I guess I'll rephrase.
What performances do you need to see from these guys the past Wilson, Samos.
They've had so far to give them that slight edge or something extraordinary or just be good.
I mean, like, I get the Titans like I I don't think that's really, like Good enough, In my opinion, I mean, like, that's out.
The whole, like, billion press performances.
Your the whole covert operator.
Who knows how they're gonna look Now we have no idea what they're gonna look barely practiced the past few weeks.
I mean, like like, that's not a big stature to me, But right.
Is that you should have a really big game against the Buccaneers.
Like they're my NFC favorite.
Like, I think that would be huge.
So he has a really big game against the Buccaneers.
I will say, like he could be passing Wilson many periods.
What is your 300 plus yards and a win? 300 plus yards on.
And obviously not 300.
Plus, you're like touchdowns of three picks, you know? Yeah, obviously.
So I said, like, obviously I would say ideally, no pics, ideally, Yes.
Hey, uh, that's all we have covered.
We do have two questions Chris, I have two questions to legal first.
Yeah, All right.
Um, we got the question a little while ago.
Look over it about the season outlook.
If the NFL would, uh, would be able to finish the season, we both said yes.
Uh, do you have the same season outlook now? Obviously, I think we both still think the super is gonna happen.
Obviously, Uh, but is their outlook the same? Or is it? Hey, they might be cutting back on some games or What's your outlook? Yeah.
So I said, CNN still finishes for sure.
But I said at this point, like I think games are gonna be like losses.
Like, I just think like especially yesterday of seeing all those different changes with different weeks and stuff.
So I put scheduling logistics instead of breaking point.
I think at this point, So I feel like games probably will be cut only based on win percentages.
The new future the next 23 weeks.
That's what I say.
And the best way to remedy at this point, I think, do the team bubbles.
I think I think like team bubbles and hotels, home markets.
I think that's the best way to do it.
I mean, I mean, I think it's gonna get worse.
Who knows? Maybe they'll change the playoff structure.
As in, you know, maybe more teams get byes.
Obviously, right now it's Jessica has one team getting by.
Who knows? Maybe they do something with by weeks finagle a little bit of season short, but about the same, Um, my last question.
Miami beat the **** out of the 40 Niners.
They had 30 at half.
We talked about him when they beat Jacksonville on Thursday night.
Um, way were asked if they were legit.
We both said, this game doesn't mean anything, but right now this teams two and three and two of their losses are to division rivals.
Uh, they lost to the Patriots by 10 Lost to the Bills by three beats Jaguars bar 18 lost a close one to the Seahawks by eight and beat the 40 Niners, 43 17.
This team legit, or do we still need to see more are that's a legit seem like, Like I like him a lot like that.
They've been playing really well this year.
That's it. I would say what he said.
Yeah, they play the Jets next.
Um, yeah, they'll probably be three and three, but then they play.
Rams, Cardinals, Chargers, eso That'll be tough, But then Broncos, Dolphins Bangles, Um, tough end of the season.
But who knows? Was 17 is this team might sneak in? I don't think they'll do anything in the playoffs.
I don't think they'll make it, But they could.
Yeah, so I said, They're legit thing.
I'm saying, like, I think they'll be a tough out like That's what I'm saying, Like I don't think will be like a role like a person over 18 and people were just, like going just like like steamrolling last year.
So I think they'll be a tough house.
I think they're legitimately after, like, actually game plan and, like, show up to play again.
That's what I'm I'm not saying legit.
It's like a title contender.
E Hey, no, but I'm just saying like I mean, I mentioned two episodes ago.
I'm pretty sure like I like this project, I think an underrated career, I think like like he's like he has some decent like games that he does have flashes the M V P moments in for certain stretches.
So I mean, I think there are just a tough every one of those tough out team.
That's how I feel this, Sure.
I mean, he had a one game last year right through for, like, 450 freaking yards, I think, Yeah, like he has.
So you just come out of nowhere.
So, like there to be a tough out team that you can't like.
All right, Chris, you have your two questions fire away.
So my first one first one was after the Game five play.
I got a question from a fan and like they're saying, like Thomas Duncan Robinson, he's really, like, stepped up like like he had, like, six threes, like he was on fire, just hitting left and right.
Part of the reason why Miami won that game.
So, like the question was just appearing like, Would you say that like Duncan Robinson's one of the top show? Where do you rank in the top shoes in the NBA? What do you think is better than Clay Thompson? Because the families trying to suggest you better than the Clay Thompson shooting Waas already ranking with the shooter.
No, he's not better in clay.
Uh, he we all enough to show yet that he's better in clay and Clay is one of the best shooters, that being able to score like 20 points on like, two dribbles.
Um, but he's a jet.
I'd say he's I feel bad for saying this, but hear me out.
I feel like he's a Joe Harris, which I think is super underrated by everybody.
I think people think Joe Harris and like all the guys, yeah, but But he's a good shooter.
People need to respect him, even though he might not be a slasher.
That we all like scene and fans think is the definition of good. You have to be a slasher.
Ah, he's a solid player.
He's gonna be a guy that, um boy, if you're looking to win a chip, sign him because he's gonna show up in some big moments.
What about you? Yeah, I would say, Like Duncan, he's one of the top shooters in the game.
Obviously, we've seen that throughout, like the year pretty much, but I wouldn't say like obviously a state plays better, like playing just like Like he's just way better, Better release, like I think like it is very unorthodox, like he's kind of a weird way to shoot.
Sometimes I think it kind of throws defenders off, but, like Clay, just more pure, like more work assistant.
I mean, like Duncan Robert.
He should get a shot off like I'm in the first early in the finals only had, like three shots in a game like Clay.
Never had a problem getting a shot.
He always had a shot up.
He's taller, like he's taller like quicker release.
So, like the interview probably get a shot off like so.
That's like a big like questions like, Why is that happening? I think part of it, like I think like Steve Curry, is really good drawing place for shooters.
So I think like Spoelstra like me, like they corrupted like there's a few players drawn up for him.
But I wish they had more players drawn up from the Kim runoff from screen.
A lot of back cuts and that kind of like setting them up for shots, but the same time, yeah, I still I said I got able to play.
I mean like Clay. Just unbelievable.
37 in the car before.
Just once. It gets hot.
He's, like, one of the hottest player you've ever seen in the history.
Well, and I know it was the questions about shooting, but also a clay hosted the defenders. Ridiculous.
Players like nine.
Yeah, a conversation and that Game six against.
Okay, see that I really wanted.
Because I hate Golden State.
Um, I don't think I'll ever see a game like that again.
He rescued them from the pits of hell.
Um, one hell of a player.
Another player, for sure.
And the other question that God is like, where do you rank LeBron all time or championship or finals? M v p.
This is tough because I always go back and forth because Jordan never lost in the finals and his mentality was insane at the same time.
I don't remember the exact numbers, but if you look at the quality of teams, somebody, somebody ran the stats of this and they ranked the finals teams, all of them of all time based on, like statistics.
And so they came up with the number and rank them all.
And I think it was something like going into last season the teams that Yonas has.
Excuse me? Not you, Honest.
He has not played anybody, Uh, t the teams who lebron That hurts me a little bit.
The teams that LeBron has played, I think their average ranking in the overall ranking is like 18 which is phenomenal.
And that's the average eso like So, like 18th best team of all time in the finals ranked eso like, you know, Number One is like if you said to 72 10 bulls whereas the worst teams like a team that ****, the bed somehow made the finals when they were 18 s so that every team they played was like 18.
Um and I think Jordan's was, like, 28 which still good.
But there is a discernible difference there.
**** it, I would have a good question.
I got man, it's good, man.
I would have todo one is going to shock some people for finals for for finals Kobe one.
We'll be the best player all time.
Brown three Hold up.
Let me talk about why. Look.
All right, hold up hold up in the finals in the finals.
LeBron Jordan and Kobe are right there. Here's why, though.
People forget this Celtics team when the Lakers played on multiple times Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Garnett they had depth they had raised on Rondo when he was averaging triple doubles out the ass Pope Kobe Bryant had Pau Gasol.
Dudas, mid thirties.
Pau Gasol is mid thirties.
And who else did he have Lamar Odom before the drugs? An old Derek Fisher? Shannon Brown? The guys he was around.
Work garbage, and you still want how many wings they win. Like five.
The first thing is kind of shock, though.
Hey, you only want to finals. MVPs.
LeBron afford he And and here's what He's first because because I think he did.
He did more with less.
You could say what everyone about shock, but I'm looking at those ones that you want.
Aftershock left those air. Impressive sell.
You can't tell me they're not because that team had no business being in this Boston team that has four All Stars on then Jordan.
I can't put Jordan ahead of Kobe because Jordan and Scottie Pippen Scottie Pippen might is probably a top 20 MBA.
Clear right? Yeah, but Jordan won all of his with Kevin and Cave in the top 20 player of all time.
So I'm gonna compare teams of Kobe and Jordan.
I got to give the edge to Kobe because Kobe never had a Pippen outside of shock.
And when he didn't have shock, he still showed he could do it.
LeBron is third by a hair simply because of Dallas.
He choked the hell out of that.
Siri's don't thing wrong.
The whole team was ****.
Whole team ****ed that one up.
He was **** there, Um, when they lost to the Spurs.
Look, that's first team is good, but they got the **** beat out of him.
The **** beat out of so by a hair.
Kobe, Jordan, Lebron.
However, if LeBron runs it back and he beats the Bucks in the finals or he beats the Nets and the finals or he beat to improve of Boston team in the finals and he plays some teams along the way and wins M v p.
He passes Jordan because he has shown he can do it with Kyrie, who was **** in Boston.
He took that came a misfit.
Toys against the Spurs got swept, but he still took him there.
And this team without Davis, I always said I don't think they have depth.
So if LeBron wins another chip as M V.
P plays a decent schedule plays different decent teams.
He will pass Jordan.
Will he be passed? Kobe.
It depends how well he plays.
And it depends who he plays.
It's very possible that's where it is right now.
LeBron all separated by about ah, hair.
You're not happy? I'm still processing.
I mean, like you talk for a while.
I didn't interrupt it all like I was very polite.
That was like that.
They only interrupt, like one.
So lame about the Cope like Kobe all the time in God rest his soul.
I mean, like like like tragically lost him associate.
But the same time like I would say it, I will admit 2009 against the Magic That was not the best team like that.
It was the cavers Lakers, and you beat the Cavs.
I wouldn't honestly gave her more props, I would have, but the magic they weren't like they were.
There's a three point shooting team like they lived and died by the They weren't hitting the finals.
So I like. I mean, I don't really like Hold that 2010.
That was more impressive.
Like like I will admit it.
But I will say, Like I think Boss is a little bit too old.
Maybe at that point and like 100 person got hurt, too.
Like that was a huge, huge loss.
They didn't have a Game seven.
So I mean, like, because they won't give them by the standard T bills clothes.
So, like that could be to change the laws right there that just please change the whole argument the same time.
Hopefully, they wanna kill 11 m v p ever.
We're going one for his whole career.
So, like, that's like a big, huge red flag right there.
Like like I said £2 of VPs, like so three of the champions.
He wasn't found.
The VP, like the first championship, was shock.
Shock averaged 38 17.
He Irish like 15.
So I mean, like, that's not the most impressive.
So I mean, like, I don't even put him in like that conversation.
I mean, like, also like you remember, Like, I think you're going to screw with Ghana.
Kareem, I think about Karim over Kobe.
View the cream all time.
Ladies score six MBPs six championships Like you gotta from that conversation to like I I think it's very like, comparable really real quick.
I will continue to let you go, but are you talking about finals or Overall, I'm just making sure I'm not the one final soon for the finals Finals? Yeah, I said Karim like magic too.
Like Magic came in as a rookie.
Like, you have to put that in their account to.
So like, I mean, look at the same time.
Like Corinne wanna follow VP of 38 years old, so, like he had really good power performances to You gotta come at their magic, too.
So, like the same time, because, I don't know, like at the fact that Kobe didn't wouldn't probably be every time.
They just kind of shows you a lot right there.
I mean, obviously, like LeBron Anthony Davis this year.
But anti David he was a second round like first round and lost every year until you have LeBron.
So he wasn't like the all time biggest winner ever.
Like LeBron gotta made him to that player.
So you got to kind of be the put down to account, too.
So we also like a big plus that, like, um, Kobe and Jordan both had his f l. Jackson.
All of them, like one consistent coach, brought different coaches for all of them.
He had Spoelstra.
He's a Bogle now.
And he had, like, Thailand so that that's like a lot of different dining with different offenses, a lot of different, like team dynamic.
So I think a big factor, too.
So, yeah, I mean, like, that's that's where I currently placed it.
I mean, like, I put Dwyane Wade performances over Kobe's honestly, because him in 2006 like their doubt.
Oh, to you won four straight games.
African 30 points a game.
I'll put that even over Kobe and, like, obviously went to North LeBron that he had to be, like, a big role.
So that's what s so you gotta rank.
So obviously Kobe's third during LeBron wanted to, I think I know you're going to rank them, but just for yeah, LeBron Jordan and I'll even put, like, wait and then, like, maybe put like a Kareem.
Then Kobe like a fire.
The problem I have with actually no I put shack over Kobe.
No, I'm in shock.
The problem I have with Wave is that Dallas Siri's look not to his fault, but that Dallas Siris was one of the Siri's that Donohue the guy who was the NFL? Uh, N b a rough that that was betting on games and was rigging games he said was rigged.
Now, whether it was or not, I don't know.
But that definitely casts a doubt.
The calls were questionable reading back on the OCR, remember? But reading back on it, um, it was, um, your point to Korean great player.
You got to play with Michael Cooper, Magic Johnson, James Worthy, Byron Scott, Bob Dandridge, A C Green.
That's why I don't put him there.
He was one of the best players.
So, you know, I'm going to be high on career because Lou Alcindor e.
But he played with two good players.
I mean, held the teams he had, um, argue.
I'm not even say arguably, they were better than Jordan.
I mean, they just had talent.
Top to bottom of is ridiculous s.
So that's why I don't think he's as high.
He wanted finals MVP news 38.
Yeah, that's impressive.
But with these teammates, I want to put him there, right? About to do that wise? No.
No, but, I mean, it's close.
I'll give that to you in the Orlando team. Wasn't great.
But do I need to remind you that this Orlando team beat Cleveland? It wasn't for a crazy buzzer beater.
They would have done it in five games without home court.
Give some respect to this Magic day, man.
I mean, at the same time, I mean, yeah, like caches didn't really show, but, I mean, it was just like it was LeBron on the show.
I'm ready, like, didn't really have any help.
Like, that was a year that I really wanted that coders LeBron found magic.
Like I really wish you would have had that their careers, like that was the year that should have happened.
With 22,000 and nine.
Hey, you can't say he had no help because he had the three goats.
He had Jamario Moon had Larry Hughes.
And he has Andrew Nous Ilgauskas.
Those boys with goats.
He had teammates, guys.
So I mean, you have anything else to add to this, Chris? No, e was like Kobe.
Probably top five, maybe, but yeah, like I put like LeBron and Jordan over that.
Like, I mean, you bring that part of the reason like you did really good teams like I will get credit for that because I mean, 09 and 10 days, They weren't like, amazing teams, but I will give him credit for that.
That's made him before.
Hey, particularly before we go.
Anything you want to add your Russell Wilson M V P candidacy since I shot it down with stats in your own words or are you fine with letting them fly till next week? E mean, Like I said, Wait till next to me.
I think like Russell Wilson, like people show up again like like he probably hear people like you, like some people did question like, Hey, like the Russells.
He didn't play the best game and stuff like, who was he really? The M V peak of ah lot of people are people still talking with Rogers M v P.
And so he hears that noise you want spend a person VP, I'm sure so, yeah.
Like Like I think he'll come back.
We'll talk about that.
Well, that is it from us.
Episode five Reasonable doubt.
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Although I'd much rather be giving a reasonable doubt.
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