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00:00:23
And with that, welcome back to a Monday morning Oh GP, where, as always I am Adam, are Brecht and joined by the healthy, wealthy and wise Mr Andy Mackiewicz.
00:00:36
You know, it's a dreary, rainy day right now, and it just feels like that's very appropriate, given what happened yesterday.
00:00:44
Monday morning, right? There's a whole bunch of those there.
00:00:48
And also what's the other one? Manic Monday.
00:00:51
I wish it was Sunday, just in case anybody wanted to know.
00:00:55
I don't sing well, but the I think you're right.
00:00:58
This is an apt weather on a Monday for what we experienced on Sunday.
00:01:02
There's there's a lot to unpack here, but just on the surface, when you when you first come out of what was, unfortunately, a 37 34 lost in Dallas for Big Blue on the last second field goal.
00:01:15
Super Bird's eye view.
00:01:17
How did you feel coming out of that game? I thought going into the game that this was a win win scenario for the Giants.
00:01:25
If they won the game, they get to bury Dallas and everything is great in New York.
00:01:29
And, you know, Jerry World is on fire.
00:01:32
If the Giants lose.
00:01:33
It gives the Cowboys false hope, and then the Giants can start rebuilding.
00:01:38
Right? And of course, none of that happens.
00:01:42
And it actually feels like this was the worst case scenario for the New York Giants.
00:01:46
I don't know if you feel the same way, but the fact that we competed and we played hard and we scored points and we looked competent and had a lead in the fourth quarter, it feels like fools gold.
00:01:59
Just knowing that the Cowboys defense is terrible.
00:02:02
And then couple that with the fact that you know we'll get into the Dak Prescott injury.
00:02:07
It's like the Cowboys air debilitated there.
00:02:10
They're not good on defense.
00:02:11
They just lost their Pro Bowl caliber quarterback.
00:02:13
You feel like, man, if you would have found a way to pull out that game, you think you could have an opportunity to beat Dallas again later on this season? Maybe go to the playoffs.
00:02:21
So for me, it just feels like it's the worst case scenario for giant fans.
00:02:26
Well, it's brutal because getting blown out, let's go back a couple of weeks when you lose to San Francisco, right? That's about as low as you can feel because you don't even get to watch a competitive game.
00:02:35
And yet, when you're watching a competitive game, it turns out you can feel lower because you can lose that competitive game and then realize that it just cost you.
00:02:44
Exit just cost you why it just stripped away some of the good feelings that you wanna pull out of this one, and we will get to that.
00:02:51
And I think that there are a lot of things to take away in spite of the loss first divisional game.
00:02:55
But you mentioned it there at the top as well.
00:02:59
Unfortunately, man, this is brutal.
00:03:02
And thankfully, I'll say, for the most part, social media has moved beyond that mentality of taking glee in the injury of a player when it's on the other team.
00:03:12
Dak Prescott, in this one, he's scrambling out of the pocket, gets tackled, goes down, obviously incredibly awkward, suffers a compound ankle fracture, was taken off on a cart and an air cast went to a local hospital.
00:03:26
Is already had successful surgery.
00:03:29
But the rehab road begins for him, just, you know.
00:03:32
Ah, brutal injury, man.
00:03:34
Ah, brutal injury.
00:03:35
You could see on his face.
00:03:36
The players faces on both sides.
00:03:37
Jason Garrett was out on the field, checking on him as well.
00:03:40
Horrible injury to suffer.
00:03:42
Feel terrible for Dak Prescott.
00:03:44
Well, so watching it in real time, you see Dak Prescott down on the ground and I'm with my brother in law and I'm looking at the screen.
00:03:52
And I looked to him and I'm like, Did his did his foot come out of his shoe like it looked like his foot had come out and he was just holding his knee.
00:04:00
I'm like, Oh, is that in a C L A.
00:04:01
And he turns to me and he's like, That's his ankle.
00:04:04
And I'm like, From that moment, I could not unsee what I saw, and it would have been better being, you know, bliss.
00:04:11
Ignorance is bliss in that situation, and and yet it's crazy because while we dislike Dallas, we dislike a lot of Dallas fans in the way that they go about, you know, carry themselves.
00:04:24
This is one of those things where it's just bigger than any kind of rivalry that you have.
00:04:29
You really feel for someone like that.
00:04:30
Prescott, who from you know when you hear him in front of a microphone, he says all the right things.
00:04:35
He's a likable guy.
00:04:36
Everyone in the Dallas media says that he is a great human being, not even just a great football player.
00:04:43
And, you know, to couple that the guy has bet on himself by turning down, Ah, long term, 34 a half million dollar annual contract, knowing that his value is more than that on and he wasn't gonna shortchange himself.
00:04:55
So he really bet on himself.
00:04:56
And I feel like that's the thing that kinda hurts the most.
00:04:59
Is this guy's betting on himself? He was leading the league in passing.
00:05:02
And to have this happen, it now brings up all these questions of Are they going to pay him now? The money that they should pay it.
00:05:08
I certainly hope that I think the way that Dallas can look good in this quote unquote and also do right by Dak Prescott is your franchise him again next year, coming off of this horrific injury.
00:05:20
So then he's gonna get another substantial payday, and at least you feather him through as he recovers from this, I don't know what the timeline is going to be, but it could extend obviously into next year, so that would be the you know, even though you should have already given him a contract that you should have.
00:05:35
You should have already been on a long term deal in Dallas.
00:05:38
That would be probably the way that you say, Hey, you've done a ton for us, obviously.
00:05:42
And now over a couple of seasons, you're gonna make 40 Thio.
00:05:45
We're sorry.
00:05:46
75 to $80 million in a couple of franchise tags and you'll at least be financially set.
00:05:50
Doesn't change anything for you, ultimately in terms of long term security.
00:05:54
But I I do think that they will do right by him coming off this injury.
00:05:58
They say this compound ankle fracture because they took care of it right away.
00:06:02
They said the surgery went great.
00:06:04
Their timetable, they're saying, is 4 to 6 months.
00:06:06
Um but But, man, when when you see that injury, you just You wonder if if he can ever, you know, feel confident standing on that leg again in the pocket, stepping up in the pocket, or or, you know, he's so great making plays with his legs like is it's gonna take a lot and you know, he is a competitors.
00:06:25
But man, I just don't you don't know And that's, you know, the scary part about it.
00:06:30
Is the future so uncertain? You know, we wish him the best.
00:06:34
I hope the Giants get to compete against him in the future, you know, starting next year.
00:06:38
And I hope that, you know, in six months time we're saying, you know, look how great he is, you know, the road to recovery is bright, and that's ahead of the off season, summer and training camp.
00:06:47
So it means, theoretically, he could be working his way back into play playing shape as they get into their offseason program next year.
00:06:54
So all of the well wishes and thoughts with him in his recovery, I genuinely hope that he comes back and is the same caliber player.
00:07:01
And on a day when Alex Smith gets into a game for Washington and is able to come back from what was a farm or even gruesome and life threatening injury that he suffered, he gets back on the field and another great quarterback goes down.
00:07:14
So just the brutal reality of the NFL.
00:07:16
In some ways, the other somewhat minor footnote here, you could say, is Lorenzo Carter did also suffer an injury, a non contact which are always terrible injuries to see because it means that it's probably more severe than getting into.
00:07:29
But, you know, sometimes a physical contact where something happens to you.
00:07:33
Noncontact Achilles injury.
00:07:35
So he's going to be out first.
00:07:37
Substantial chunk of time.
00:07:38
And on the heels of coming into this game, where Ocean Examine is was placed on IR as well.
00:07:43
For this defense, that is a noteworthy injury for the Giants because Carter had been on the field for 89% of defensive snaps coming into the Week five matchup.
00:07:53
So a significant loss and we had highlighted on Friday that they are getting Mayo back and it couldn't have been any more timely.
00:07:59
And that's not a like for like replacement, by the way, but dealing with some injuries in that linebacking corps now, Yeah, you look at you know Lorenzo Carter.
00:08:07
He goes down, and just as a fan, I'm looking at it and I'm like, What are they grabbing? What they what they poking at what they prodding at.
00:08:14
And I'm like, Oh, it looks like they're just checking out his ankle.
00:08:16
Okay, If it's just an ankle injury, you know that that could be he could come back in the game today.
00:08:21
If it's Highland spring, maybe it's a couple of weeks to hear that.
00:08:24
It's a non contact.
00:08:25
Achilles injury is is tough and another guy that is gonna have a long road back, especially at the position that he plays with that type of injury.
00:08:34
You know, a lot of people say that it's gonna take maybe 18 months for him to feel confident and be able to drive on that leg the way that he did before and and to your point.
00:08:43
You know, I felt like our linebacking corps was our our deepest position, considering we've had a lot of guys that we drafted and the emergence of Blake Martinez in fact role and Lorenzo Carter.
00:08:53
Um, this is a tough injury, and, you know, like we said, we wish him the best, but it's definitely going to shake up how we actually approach games on defense from a linebacking position.
00:09:04
Yep, and you start to look at some of those youngsters, maybe more specifically at a Cam Brown because he would be maybe a like for, like, replacement there.
00:09:12
We all know my boy Carter Coughlin is you're gonna have to start to call some guys up.
00:09:15
We've seen take Crowder, be getting some more reps here on the defensive side of the ball as well.
00:09:19
So it's gonna be start to be time to get a look at some of these young players and see what we have.
00:09:24
I'll be curious, and we'll touch on it on Wednesday, of course, to see if the Giants make any additional moves around the roster in order to balance it out now losing two starters on that side of the ball.
00:09:36
Now we switch over to the game and and I will also.
00:09:39
Actually, I'll do one last footnote here.
00:09:41
A lot of social media were chirping about the Giants players not getting over to check on Lorenzo Carter and make sure that he was okay.
00:09:48
The way all the Dallas Cowboy players did, I notice, is such a minor footnote.
00:09:51
Nobody realized what the injury was and how significant it was at the time.
00:09:55
That's why they didn't go over, and it's not being dismissive of it.
00:09:58
It's just that was the reality.
00:09:59
He went down. It was a non contact.
00:10:01
It seemed like to your point, a little tweak.
00:10:03
And that's why nobody really went over to it.
00:10:05
I don't think anyone is going to be any less concerned about Lorenzo Carter on the back end deck.
00:10:10
Prescott ankle was out of his sock like every single person that was looking at it.
00:10:14
Like I I watched, uh, you know, Joe Judge Jason Garrett.
00:10:18
Even Mike McCarthy.
00:10:19
They, like, kinda walked over and they looked at what the injury was and like they put their hands on their their knees and they were like, looking away because it was so terrible.
00:10:27
Like like we said, Lorenzo Carter looked like it was an ankle.
00:10:30
If ever everyone had known that it was gonna be, uh, you know, ah, potential career threatening injury.
00:10:35
Of course, they would have gone over there.
00:10:37
So, you know, we don't need tohave a massive huddle around every player that gets injured.
00:10:41
It's tough to, you know, play Monday morning quarterback on all this, like everyone should have, you know, held hands in unison around Lawrence Carter.
00:10:48
It's like way.
00:10:49
Thought he had tweaked ankle it first.
00:10:50
So I'm totally with you on that.
00:10:52
Nothing move on, All right.
00:10:54
And so we shall inside the game.
00:10:57
Now this one starts out really positive for the New York football Giants.
00:11:02
They start on the defensive side of the ball early early stages here, it seems like this happens sometimes for the Dallas Cowboys.
00:11:09
They have unlucky bounces, unlucky tips of the ball, one that bounces off of Ezekiel, its hands and falls right into factories, waiting arms.
00:11:17
He has a fantastic return.
00:11:18
We get a defensive touchdown.
00:11:20
We're seeing the ball offensively.
00:11:22
The running game looks as consistent as it has to this point of the season with Devante Freeman.
00:11:29
What are your initial thoughts as the Giants get up in an early lead here in this one? Obviously, and by half time it gets away from them a little bit, and we have to kind of reassess at the midway point.
00:11:40
But ah, lot of positive to take away here early for the Giants.
00:11:43
What did you like? What did you see happening here as we worked our way through the first two quarters, its's it.
00:11:49
It was frustrating to me.
00:11:50
Adam, I know I should be excited to see what the Giants are doing, but there's two things that I'm thinking. One.
00:11:57
Why haven't we done this at all in any other game? You know? Devonta Freeman looked competent.
00:12:03
He was moving the ball down the field, He was gaining chunk yards, and the big thing was he wasn't losing two yards on the play.
00:12:09
He was always falling forward for three.
00:12:11
Even if he got hit at the line.
00:12:12
It was three or four yards, and that's what kept the offense moving.
00:12:16
You know, I love seeing them.
00:12:17
Try to find creative ways to get the ball to Evan Ingram.
00:12:20
Swing, play, reverse play.
00:12:22
Get it in his hands because Daniel Jones is maybe not having enough time. Thio.
00:12:26
Find Evan Ingram getting open.
00:12:27
Get him the ball out in space.
00:12:29
I loved all these things, but in the back of my mind, I just kept being like This Is Mawr an indictment on the Dallas defense than it is like a kudos to the Giants offense, because when they're giving up 35 points a game and you score 34 it's like it's kind of it kind of was expected for me.
00:12:48
And, you know, it's more on Dallas than it is on New York.
00:12:51
Well, and I mean, you know, I actually I looked at it and said, and coming into it, you think about who Dallas had played defensively.
00:12:58
The Atlanta Falcons, right? You played the Seattle Seahawks, you played the Cleveland Browns, who were starting to figure things out.
00:13:04
So those are all really solid offenses.
00:13:06
So the fact that we went toe to toe in terms of points getting up on the board there, I really like that.
00:13:12
And I think that the truth for this Giants offense lie somewhere in the middle when you go back and track who we played early on some of the better defenses in the league.
00:13:19
So I I took away those positives.
00:13:21
And as we said, coming out of last week, looking at the first quarter of the season, I also take a look.
00:13:26
You mentioned Devante Freeman, right, falling forward for a few yards, just making sure that you're not getting some of those big loss plays.
00:13:32
I also looked at what we were doing offensively.
00:13:35
The playbook is continuing toe open up here under Jason Garrett.
00:13:39
So as we start to think about the good and the bad there and what we like or don't like back because there wasn't enough pressure being put on Dak Prescott and there wasn't enough pressure being put on Andy Dalton when he replaced him.
00:13:50
So these are the areas that you're looking at.
00:13:52
And again it goes back. Thio.
00:13:54
Now let's get Carter Coughlin.
00:13:55
Let's get Cam Brown.
00:13:56
Let's start to get these young guys take Crowd has been getting his sniff.
00:13:59
That's the best path for a GM to say.
00:14:02
These are all the moves that we made this past off season and in the draft.
00:14:05
Look how, regardless of wins or losses, you're seeing the foundation be here.
00:14:09
And this isn't me.
00:14:10
Talking about Gettleman, you know, deserves to be here next year.
00:14:15
That's just the reality.
00:14:16
That's the Onley way forward for this team from talked about.
00:14:19
You know, it does sound like you're a little bit of a Dave Gettleman apologist Adam, but what I will say is this.
00:14:26
The Giants were averaging 11.
00:14:27
5 points a game going into this game.
00:14:30
They scored 34 against the worst defensive league. Fine.
00:14:33
But now we need to see if you know And this is where I started to show.
00:14:37
It felt like fools gold to me.
00:14:39
Because how do you really judge of this offense is starting to get it when the team just gave up 300 rushing yards on the ground and and so that's the difficult part for me is you know, the the defense of side.
00:14:52
We talk about pass rushing and pressure.
00:14:54
We had two sacks yesterday, too, and the same is the Dallas Cowboys.
00:14:58
We had two sacks while we were leading the game for a good portion of it, where you should be able to run downhill and start making some plays.
00:15:06
And let's not, you know, mince words.
00:15:09
We did give up 37 points.
00:15:10
I know that there are good offense, but that Prescott left the game with six minutes or so to go in the third quarter.
00:15:16
So only played about half the game.
00:15:18
And so for me, that's why this is so tough in this morning.
00:15:21
Is because you don't know what you saw.
00:15:24
You liked a little bit of what you saw.
00:15:25
You want someone to blame.
00:15:27
You don't know who to blame, and it's kind of like, Where do we go from here? The reality is, you said it perfectly.
00:15:34
You like some things of what you saw and this is a way came out of the week for were coming into Week five in the next three games, the midway point of the season.
00:15:42
This is what I've been saying.
00:15:43
Watch your bell peppers and be excited that he's really good, you know, a little bit things up.
00:15:49
He looks really good.
00:15:51
Watch Bradbury and be excited that he's really good and we have a number one corner.
00:15:56
Watch Blake Martinez.
00:15:57
Be excited.
00:15:58
Watch Dexter Lawrence be excited that that's That's where we're at right now.
00:16:03
I don't even that's not even a negative thing.
00:16:04
It's just it's just, Hey, let's come down to reality here.
00:16:07
This is where we are.
00:16:08
So identify the quality, get excited about the quality, and then also look and say, Okay, so where the missing pieces Where are we still in need of talent on this roster again? I don't wanna get far ahead of it when McKinney comes back.
00:16:22
That's going to create a new dynamic on the defensive side of the ball.
00:16:26
The bigger concern here is on the offensive side and just saying, I just rattled off four or five names and you could be excited about watching defensively.
00:16:34
Offensively, that list is a lot shorter right now, right? It's Darius Slaten, and that's it, Like that's really right. Now.
00:16:46
If I had to make that list, dramatic pause, friends.
00:16:48
If I had to make that list, that would be the thing that I'm most excited about.
00:16:52
I'm watching Daniel Jones from a development standpoint.
00:16:55
I'm watching Andrew Thomas, but you know, when you look around the entire offense, side of the ball, there's far less things to say.
00:17:01
Oh, I'm excited about what I'm seeing here right now, and that's the dangerous thing in terms of where the rebuild is is, you don't have T pieces throughout the offense right now as it stands Week five.
00:17:12
Yeah, and what I think is gonna be important going into this match up against the Washington football team is I think that they arm or indicative of a better litmus test of where this team is at, because they are relatively competent on both sides.
00:17:28
They may not be a good football team, but at least we'll get a better understanding.
00:17:31
Has our offense found something? What does our defense really look like? And more challenges from the front seven for them as well.
00:17:36
They are strong up front there defensively, So you're still going to get a barometer for and Andrew Thomas and where he is in his evolution again today.
00:17:44
I'm sorry yesterday, where he gave up nine pressures.
00:17:46
Just Thio give you a status update of where he stands.
00:17:49
We will, of course, come back in the middle of the week here.
00:17:52
Talk about what some of the coaches and players had to say coming out of this loss, thinking ahead to that Washington matchup and then talking about injury updates as well.
00:18:00
And then probably some roster moves with losing Carter.
00:18:03
We mentioned X Man also going toe ir.
00:18:05
So some shifts they're gonna happen here and on the defensive side of the ball.
00:18:09
We could see some new guys getting into starting reps, including one returning player in Mayo as well.
00:18:14
We flipped over, of course, to that SportsCastr side of things where we give a little shout out to Paul there.
00:18:22
Pauline. Excuse me.
00:18:23
Thank you for throwing a little thumbs up our way.
00:18:25
The foam finger.
00:18:26
I enjoy it.
00:18:27
It's a nice little tip of the hat to us as we work our way through our morning shift.
00:18:31
Also, Penguin Fan Double 07 a Pittsburgh.
00:18:34
How are you? You demand as well.
00:18:36
Everybody else that came in over on SportsCastr for the live feed.
00:18:39
Thank you so much for checking in with us.
00:18:41
We will, of course, be right back here Wednesday morning doing the darn thing.
00:18:46
Win or lose three days a week.
00:18:49
Despite it all.
00:18:51
Some level of self shame, I think for the two of us.
00:18:55
Sign up over there on SportsCastr use hashtag o g p.
00:19:00
And as Andy Mackiewicz wants needs and demands that, you know, as always, Let's go Big blue.
00:19:08
Mhm
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00:00:23
And with that, welcome back to a Monday morning Oh GP, where, as always I am Adam, are Brecht and joined by the healthy, wealthy and wise Mr Andy Mackiewicz.
00:00:36
You know, it's a dreary, rainy day right now, and it just feels like that's very appropriate, given what happened yesterday.
00:00:44
Monday morning, right? There's a whole bunch of those there.
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And also what's the other one? Manic Monday.
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I wish it was Sunday, just in case anybody wanted to know.
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I don't sing well, but the I think you're right.
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This is an apt weather on a Monday for what we experienced on Sunday.
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There's there's a lot to unpack here, but just on the surface, when you when you first come out of what was, unfortunately, a 37 34 lost in Dallas for Big Blue on the last second field goal.
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Super Bird's eye view.
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How did you feel coming out of that game? I thought going into the game that this was a win win scenario for the Giants.
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If they won the game, they get to bury Dallas and everything is great in New York.
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And, you know, Jerry World is on fire.
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If the Giants lose.
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It gives the Cowboys false hope, and then the Giants can start rebuilding.
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Right? And of course, none of that happens.
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And it actually feels like this was the worst case scenario for the New York Giants.
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I don't know if you feel the same way, but the fact that we competed and we played hard and we scored points and we looked competent and had a lead in the fourth quarter, it feels like fools gold.
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Just knowing that the Cowboys defense is terrible.
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And then couple that with the fact that you know we'll get into the Dak Prescott injury.
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It's like the Cowboys air debilitated there.
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They're not good on defense.
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They just lost their Pro Bowl caliber quarterback.
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You feel like, man, if you would have found a way to pull out that game, you think you could have an opportunity to beat Dallas again later on this season? Maybe go to the playoffs.
00:02:21
So for me, it just feels like it's the worst case scenario for giant fans.
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Well, it's brutal because getting blown out, let's go back a couple of weeks when you lose to San Francisco, right? That's about as low as you can feel because you don't even get to watch a competitive game.
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And yet, when you're watching a competitive game, it turns out you can feel lower because you can lose that competitive game and then realize that it just cost you.
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Exit just cost you why it just stripped away some of the good feelings that you wanna pull out of this one, and we will get to that.
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And I think that there are a lot of things to take away in spite of the loss first divisional game.
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But you mentioned it there at the top as well.
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Unfortunately, man, this is brutal.
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And thankfully, I'll say, for the most part, social media has moved beyond that mentality of taking glee in the injury of a player when it's on the other team.
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Dak Prescott, in this one, he's scrambling out of the pocket, gets tackled, goes down, obviously incredibly awkward, suffers a compound ankle fracture, was taken off on a cart and an air cast went to a local hospital.
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Is already had successful surgery.
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But the rehab road begins for him, just, you know.
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Ah, brutal injury, man.
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Ah, brutal injury.
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You could see on his face.
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The players faces on both sides.
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Jason Garrett was out on the field, checking on him as well.
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Horrible injury to suffer.
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Feel terrible for Dak Prescott.
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Well, so watching it in real time, you see Dak Prescott down on the ground and I'm with my brother in law and I'm looking at the screen.
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And I looked to him and I'm like, Did his did his foot come out of his shoe like it looked like his foot had come out and he was just holding his knee.
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I'm like, Oh, is that in a C L A.
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And he turns to me and he's like, That's his ankle.
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And I'm like, From that moment, I could not unsee what I saw, and it would have been better being, you know, bliss.
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Ignorance is bliss in that situation, and and yet it's crazy because while we dislike Dallas, we dislike a lot of Dallas fans in the way that they go about, you know, carry themselves.
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This is one of those things where it's just bigger than any kind of rivalry that you have.
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You really feel for someone like that.
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Prescott, who from you know when you hear him in front of a microphone, he says all the right things.
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He's a likable guy.
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Everyone in the Dallas media says that he is a great human being, not even just a great football player.
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And, you know, to couple that the guy has bet on himself by turning down, Ah, long term, 34 a half million dollar annual contract, knowing that his value is more than that on and he wasn't gonna shortchange himself.
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So he really bet on himself.
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And I feel like that's the thing that kinda hurts the most.
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Is this guy's betting on himself? He was leading the league in passing.
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And to have this happen, it now brings up all these questions of Are they going to pay him now? The money that they should pay it.
00:05:08
I certainly hope that I think the way that Dallas can look good in this quote unquote and also do right by Dak Prescott is your franchise him again next year, coming off of this horrific injury.
00:05:20
So then he's gonna get another substantial payday, and at least you feather him through as he recovers from this, I don't know what the timeline is going to be, but it could extend obviously into next year, so that would be the you know, even though you should have already given him a contract that you should have.
00:05:35
You should have already been on a long term deal in Dallas.
00:05:38
That would be probably the way that you say, Hey, you've done a ton for us, obviously.
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And now over a couple of seasons, you're gonna make 40 Thio.
00:05:45
We're sorry.
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75 to $80 million in a couple of franchise tags and you'll at least be financially set.
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Doesn't change anything for you, ultimately in terms of long term security.
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But I I do think that they will do right by him coming off this injury.
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They say this compound ankle fracture because they took care of it right away.
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They said the surgery went great.
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Their timetable, they're saying, is 4 to 6 months.
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Um but But, man, when when you see that injury, you just You wonder if if he can ever, you know, feel confident standing on that leg again in the pocket, stepping up in the pocket, or or, you know, he's so great making plays with his legs like is it's gonna take a lot and you know, he is a competitors.
00:06:25
But man, I just don't you don't know And that's, you know, the scary part about it.
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Is the future so uncertain? You know, we wish him the best.
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I hope the Giants get to compete against him in the future, you know, starting next year.
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And I hope that, you know, in six months time we're saying, you know, look how great he is, you know, the road to recovery is bright, and that's ahead of the off season, summer and training camp.
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So it means, theoretically, he could be working his way back into play playing shape as they get into their offseason program next year.
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So all of the well wishes and thoughts with him in his recovery, I genuinely hope that he comes back and is the same caliber player.
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And on a day when Alex Smith gets into a game for Washington and is able to come back from what was a farm or even gruesome and life threatening injury that he suffered, he gets back on the field and another great quarterback goes down.
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So just the brutal reality of the NFL.
00:07:16
In some ways, the other somewhat minor footnote here, you could say, is Lorenzo Carter did also suffer an injury, a non contact which are always terrible injuries to see because it means that it's probably more severe than getting into.
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But, you know, sometimes a physical contact where something happens to you.
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Noncontact Achilles injury.
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So he's going to be out first.
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Substantial chunk of time.
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And on the heels of coming into this game, where Ocean Examine is was placed on IR as well.
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For this defense, that is a noteworthy injury for the Giants because Carter had been on the field for 89% of defensive snaps coming into the Week five matchup.
00:07:53
So a significant loss and we had highlighted on Friday that they are getting Mayo back and it couldn't have been any more timely.
00:07:59
And that's not a like for like replacement, by the way, but dealing with some injuries in that linebacking corps now, Yeah, you look at you know Lorenzo Carter.
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He goes down, and just as a fan, I'm looking at it and I'm like, What are they grabbing? What they what they poking at what they prodding at.
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And I'm like, Oh, it looks like they're just checking out his ankle.
00:08:16
Okay, If it's just an ankle injury, you know that that could be he could come back in the game today.
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If it's Highland spring, maybe it's a couple of weeks to hear that.
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It's a non contact.
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Achilles injury is is tough and another guy that is gonna have a long road back, especially at the position that he plays with that type of injury.
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You know, a lot of people say that it's gonna take maybe 18 months for him to feel confident and be able to drive on that leg the way that he did before and and to your point.
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You know, I felt like our linebacking corps was our our deepest position, considering we've had a lot of guys that we drafted and the emergence of Blake Martinez in fact role and Lorenzo Carter.
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Um, this is a tough injury, and, you know, like we said, we wish him the best, but it's definitely going to shake up how we actually approach games on defense from a linebacking position.
00:09:04
Yep, and you start to look at some of those youngsters, maybe more specifically at a Cam Brown because he would be maybe a like for, like, replacement there.
00:09:12
We all know my boy Carter Coughlin is you're gonna have to start to call some guys up.
00:09:15
We've seen take Crowder, be getting some more reps here on the defensive side of the ball as well.
00:09:19
So it's gonna be start to be time to get a look at some of these young players and see what we have.
00:09:24
I'll be curious, and we'll touch on it on Wednesday, of course, to see if the Giants make any additional moves around the roster in order to balance it out now losing two starters on that side of the ball.
00:09:36
Now we switch over to the game and and I will also.
00:09:39
Actually, I'll do one last footnote here.
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A lot of social media were chirping about the Giants players not getting over to check on Lorenzo Carter and make sure that he was okay.
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The way all the Dallas Cowboy players did, I notice, is such a minor footnote.
00:09:51
Nobody realized what the injury was and how significant it was at the time.
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That's why they didn't go over, and it's not being dismissive of it.
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It's just that was the reality.
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He went down. It was a non contact.
00:10:01
It seemed like to your point, a little tweak.
00:10:03
And that's why nobody really went over to it.
00:10:05
I don't think anyone is going to be any less concerned about Lorenzo Carter on the back end deck.
00:10:10
Prescott ankle was out of his sock like every single person that was looking at it.
00:10:14
Like I I watched, uh, you know, Joe Judge Jason Garrett.
00:10:18
Even Mike McCarthy.
00:10:19
They, like, kinda walked over and they looked at what the injury was and like they put their hands on their their knees and they were like, looking away because it was so terrible.
00:10:27
Like like we said, Lorenzo Carter looked like it was an ankle.
00:10:30
If ever everyone had known that it was gonna be, uh, you know, ah, potential career threatening injury.
00:10:35
Of course, they would have gone over there.
00:10:37
So, you know, we don't need tohave a massive huddle around every player that gets injured.
00:10:41
It's tough to, you know, play Monday morning quarterback on all this, like everyone should have, you know, held hands in unison around Lawrence Carter.
00:10:48
It's like way.
00:10:49
Thought he had tweaked ankle it first.
00:10:50
So I'm totally with you on that.
00:10:52
Nothing move on, All right.
00:10:54
And so we shall inside the game.
00:10:57
Now this one starts out really positive for the New York football Giants.
00:11:02
They start on the defensive side of the ball early early stages here, it seems like this happens sometimes for the Dallas Cowboys.
00:11:09
They have unlucky bounces, unlucky tips of the ball, one that bounces off of Ezekiel, its hands and falls right into factories, waiting arms.
00:11:17
He has a fantastic return.
00:11:18
We get a defensive touchdown.
00:11:20
We're seeing the ball offensively.
00:11:22
The running game looks as consistent as it has to this point of the season with Devante Freeman.
00:11:29
What are your initial thoughts as the Giants get up in an early lead here in this one? Obviously, and by half time it gets away from them a little bit, and we have to kind of reassess at the midway point.
00:11:40
But ah, lot of positive to take away here early for the Giants.
00:11:43
What did you like? What did you see happening here as we worked our way through the first two quarters, its's it.
00:11:49
It was frustrating to me.
00:11:50
Adam, I know I should be excited to see what the Giants are doing, but there's two things that I'm thinking. One.
00:11:57
Why haven't we done this at all in any other game? You know? Devonta Freeman looked competent.
00:12:03
He was moving the ball down the field, He was gaining chunk yards, and the big thing was he wasn't losing two yards on the play.
00:12:09
He was always falling forward for three.
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Even if he got hit at the line.
00:12:12
It was three or four yards, and that's what kept the offense moving.
00:12:16
You know, I love seeing them.
00:12:17
Try to find creative ways to get the ball to Evan Ingram.
00:12:20
Swing, play, reverse play.
00:12:22
Get it in his hands because Daniel Jones is maybe not having enough time. Thio.
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Find Evan Ingram getting open.
00:12:27
Get him the ball out in space.
00:12:29
I loved all these things, but in the back of my mind, I just kept being like This Is Mawr an indictment on the Dallas defense than it is like a kudos to the Giants offense, because when they're giving up 35 points a game and you score 34 it's like it's kind of it kind of was expected for me.
00:12:48
And, you know, it's more on Dallas than it is on New York.
00:12:51
Well, and I mean, you know, I actually I looked at it and said, and coming into it, you think about who Dallas had played defensively.
00:12:58
The Atlanta Falcons, right? You played the Seattle Seahawks, you played the Cleveland Browns, who were starting to figure things out.
00:13:04
So those are all really solid offenses.
00:13:06
So the fact that we went toe to toe in terms of points getting up on the board there, I really like that.
00:13:12
And I think that the truth for this Giants offense lie somewhere in the middle when you go back and track who we played early on some of the better defenses in the league.
00:13:19
So I I took away those positives.
00:13:21
And as we said, coming out of last week, looking at the first quarter of the season, I also take a look.
00:13:26
You mentioned Devante Freeman, right, falling forward for a few yards, just making sure that you're not getting some of those big loss plays.
00:13:32
I also looked at what we were doing offensively.
00:13:35
The playbook is continuing toe open up here under Jason Garrett.
00:13:39
So as we start to think about the good and the bad there and what we like or don't like back because there wasn't enough pressure being put on Dak Prescott and there wasn't enough pressure being put on Andy Dalton when he replaced him.
00:13:50
So these are the areas that you're looking at.
00:13:52
And again it goes back. Thio.
00:13:54
Now let's get Carter Coughlin.
00:13:55
Let's get Cam Brown.
00:13:56
Let's start to get these young guys take Crowd has been getting his sniff.
00:13:59
That's the best path for a GM to say.
00:14:02
These are all the moves that we made this past off season and in the draft.
00:14:05
Look how, regardless of wins or losses, you're seeing the foundation be here.
00:14:09
And this isn't me.
00:14:10
Talking about Gettleman, you know, deserves to be here next year.
00:14:15
That's just the reality.
00:14:16
That's the Onley way forward for this team from talked about.
00:14:19
You know, it does sound like you're a little bit of a Dave Gettleman apologist Adam, but what I will say is this.
00:14:26
The Giants were averaging 11.
00:14:27
5 points a game going into this game.
00:14:30
They scored 34 against the worst defensive league. Fine.
00:14:33
But now we need to see if you know And this is where I started to show.
00:14:37
It felt like fools gold to me.
00:14:39
Because how do you really judge of this offense is starting to get it when the team just gave up 300 rushing yards on the ground and and so that's the difficult part for me is you know, the the defense of side.
00:14:52
We talk about pass rushing and pressure.
00:14:54
We had two sacks yesterday, too, and the same is the Dallas Cowboys.
00:14:58
We had two sacks while we were leading the game for a good portion of it, where you should be able to run downhill and start making some plays.
00:15:06
And let's not, you know, mince words.
00:15:09
We did give up 37 points.
00:15:10
I know that there are good offense, but that Prescott left the game with six minutes or so to go in the third quarter.
00:15:16
So only played about half the game.
00:15:18
And so for me, that's why this is so tough in this morning.
00:15:21
Is because you don't know what you saw.
00:15:24
You liked a little bit of what you saw.
00:15:25
You want someone to blame.
00:15:27
You don't know who to blame, and it's kind of like, Where do we go from here? The reality is, you said it perfectly.
00:15:34
You like some things of what you saw and this is a way came out of the week for were coming into Week five in the next three games, the midway point of the season.
00:15:42
This is what I've been saying.
00:15:43
Watch your bell peppers and be excited that he's really good, you know, a little bit things up.
00:15:49
He looks really good.
00:15:51
Watch Bradbury and be excited that he's really good and we have a number one corner.
00:15:56
Watch Blake Martinez.
00:15:57
Be excited.
00:15:58
Watch Dexter Lawrence be excited that that's That's where we're at right now.
00:16:03
I don't even that's not even a negative thing.
00:16:04
It's just it's just, Hey, let's come down to reality here.
00:16:07
This is where we are.
00:16:08
So identify the quality, get excited about the quality, and then also look and say, Okay, so where the missing pieces Where are we still in need of talent on this roster again? I don't wanna get far ahead of it when McKinney comes back.
00:16:22
That's going to create a new dynamic on the defensive side of the ball.
00:16:26
The bigger concern here is on the offensive side and just saying, I just rattled off four or five names and you could be excited about watching defensively.
00:16:34
Offensively, that list is a lot shorter right now, right? It's Darius Slaten, and that's it, Like that's really right. Now.
00:16:46
If I had to make that list, dramatic pause, friends.
00:16:48
If I had to make that list, that would be the thing that I'm most excited about.
00:16:52
I'm watching Daniel Jones from a development standpoint.
00:16:55
I'm watching Andrew Thomas, but you know, when you look around the entire offense, side of the ball, there's far less things to say.
00:17:01
Oh, I'm excited about what I'm seeing here right now, and that's the dangerous thing in terms of where the rebuild is is, you don't have T pieces throughout the offense right now as it stands Week five.
00:17:12
Yeah, and what I think is gonna be important going into this match up against the Washington football team is I think that they arm or indicative of a better litmus test of where this team is at, because they are relatively competent on both sides.
00:17:28
They may not be a good football team, but at least we'll get a better understanding.
00:17:31
Has our offense found something? What does our defense really look like? And more challenges from the front seven for them as well.
00:17:36
They are strong up front there defensively, So you're still going to get a barometer for and Andrew Thomas and where he is in his evolution again today.
00:17:44
I'm sorry yesterday, where he gave up nine pressures.
00:17:46
Just Thio give you a status update of where he stands.
00:17:49
We will, of course, come back in the middle of the week here.
00:17:52
Talk about what some of the coaches and players had to say coming out of this loss, thinking ahead to that Washington matchup and then talking about injury updates as well.
00:18:00
And then probably some roster moves with losing Carter.
00:18:03
We mentioned X Man also going toe ir.
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So some shifts they're gonna happen here and on the defensive side of the ball.
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We could see some new guys getting into starting reps, including one returning player in Mayo as well.
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We flipped over, of course, to that SportsCastr side of things where we give a little shout out to Paul there.
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Pauline. Excuse me.
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Thank you for throwing a little thumbs up our way.
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The foam finger.
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I enjoy it.
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It's a nice little tip of the hat to us as we work our way through our morning shift.
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Also, Penguin Fan Double 07 a Pittsburgh.
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Everybody else that came in over on SportsCastr for the live feed.
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Thank you so much for checking in with us.
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We will, of course, be right back here Wednesday morning doing the darn thing.
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And as Andy Mackiewicz wants needs and demands that, you know, as always, Let's go Big blue.
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