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Matt sits down with Timberwolves beat reporter Dane Moore to discuss the Timberwolves' chances in the ultra-competitive Western Conference, touching some possible surprises on the roster, Minnesota's plethora of guards, and even some juicy advanced statistics.

Follow Dane on Twitter @DaneMooreNBA

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you're listening to basketball and bore a SportsCastr featured podcast with your host Matt Brooks.
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Experts from across the globe sit down with Matt to talk all things MBA from news and rumors to gain breakdowns and ****ysis, tune into the live stream twice a week on SportsCastr and be part of the conversation.
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But first buckle in for today's edition of basketball and more.
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All right, everybody, welcome back to basketball and more with your host, Matt Brooks.
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I am, of course, joined by Dane.
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More of the dame or MBA show. Dane.
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How you doing today? I'm good, man.
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Thanks for having me.
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I'm sorry I dodged you like a week.
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It's cool.
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This is that doing it, It Z this whole like compressed NBA schedule is it's tough.
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So I get it.
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It's been a lot.
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Well, it's a lot after nothing.
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You know, like I'm like, Oh, this is a whole lot of social interaction.
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I'm not used to We look like James Harden out there right now.
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We are our courted like our cardio isn't quite there yet with all this stuff.
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A lot of vocal Fry. Yeah.
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Eso Dane.
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First off, Thank you for joining me today, I know there's gonna be people that are going to be, uh, perhaps laughing a little bit in the comments.
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They're gonna be saying, Of course, Mats.
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This excited to a Timberwolves show? I think many people know I grew up a fan of the Timberwolves s.
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Oh, this is cool for me.
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And I've been following you forever.
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A huge fan of your work and first off, excited for you for the blue wire pods.
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Um, that's that's super exciting for you.
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Let's start up with this.
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How are you feeling about this team? Is this a team that you're really excited for? Where does it rank in the last couple of years? We kind of talked a little bit pre show, but how you feeling about them? Yeah, honestly, I'm trying to not get too caught up in the two preseason games that have been really disappointing, you know, and and more so relying on the excitement that was, you know, that was here before the preseason started, which was, you know, the natural excitement of nine months of no basketball, and then you you bring in not only the first overall pick, but you know.
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I mean, that you could speak to this once you say Ricky Rubio is the second most popular player in timber loves history.
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That was the most exciting part of draft night, which is crazy.
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People think that's so stupid.
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They're like, They're like, What? You got the number one pick And fans were cared more about Rubio.
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It's like I'm like, Yeah, that's probably a stupid but that's that's the fact.
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Like people were, you know, the news breaks their and everyone's like, Oh, Rubio deal or whatever whatever.
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And like it's like, Oh, yeah, we also have the number one pick.
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But, you know, just brush over that here quick.
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I missed the, uh, the Rubio Kevin Love handoff game.
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That was a big part of my life right there, Adelman.
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Elbow action suite.
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That was sweet.
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Petkovic.
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Uh, just one whitest team.
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History, too. Taste.
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But her in there on then all the euro guys or I mean or J.
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J.
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Was from Argentina, J.
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J.
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Barea from Argentina.
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I mean, it was it actually might have been the most Caucasian team in MBA history.
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I think the Dallas Mavs from last year there in the running.
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That's a pretty in the run.
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I don't know bad.
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Okay, So that team, though, went Baria White.
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Rubio ridden our Kirilenko Petkovic Kevin love Alexey Shred actually won 40 games to That was a fun I watched every I was so so invested in that.
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I mean, I like I lived or died by that team.
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And it it was It was sad.
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I was extremely I was actually disappointed that they finished one game under 500 I remember it ruining.
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And they should have been better.
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I think they were, like, 11th in net rating or 13th And that writing or something like that That that was the team who always lost in the fourth quarter.
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Like they just got crushed in in crunch time.
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This is I'm sure you're nuts.
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Listeners.
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They're just loving like 2013 timber. Whatever.
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I don't even know what year it was.
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Wolves content? Yeah.
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No, this is This is what keeps me up at night.
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That's it.
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Not not anything that's related.
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The 2013 Tim Paroles.
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Hey, I like this team.
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I like this Timberwolves team.
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I they kind of It's the most excited.
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I've been about a Timberwolves team at least watching from afar.
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We'll see how much I get to do that because of how busy the schedule is and how many, three or four nights we have.
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Uh, they're exciting.
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They're kind of.
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They remind me a little bit of the Levin towns, Wiggins Wolves a little bit where it's like Okay, I had a team out.
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A lot more hype.
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Probably a little too much hype.
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Um, but I'm excited for this kind of bad.
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They were like, No, people have come in the playoffs.
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People had them in the playoffs that I don't remember what year that waas Maybe the Cats Cats, Rookie year.
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I want to say it was the second or third year tips here. Yeah, yeah.
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Okay, So it was.
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There's Wiggins his rookie year, that 1 16 games under flip and then and then Cats.
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Rookie year was flip passed away and Sam Mitchell was the coach.
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And Rubio Rubio is still there for that.
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And then tips took over.
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Um, on.
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I think they won like 30 games, so they never They never actually close to the playoffs in any of those years, but felt like Maybe, maybe some people.
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Yeah, maybe some people felt they were.
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That's the last season I really remember.
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Timber, Wolves, basketball.
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Um, since then it's been an interesting around you.
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You have up speaking of Brooklyn Nets, you have a bunch of guys that I'm super familiar with, which is stolen.
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I know.
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I'm kinda I'm like what? I don't know what the Timberwolves they're doing.
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I'm like, I don't know if you guys were trying to bring me back or something like that, but no, it Z actually really interesting.
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What do you think about the roster? Gerson Roses, the timber of still relatively new president of basketball operations, has brought in, and he brought in, UM, to be the assistant coaches Pablo Prigioni from Brooklyn and and then David Vanterpool from Portland.
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And you then go Oh, who's been on the roster these last two years.
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And it's almost all of the role players on the team have played for Vanterpool in Portland or Prigioni in Brooklyn.
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It's it's kind of it's kind of in ST some of like they even got some of the guys who double dipped where it's like as they played a good end up Portland and Jake Layman.
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You know No Von Lee last year.
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Now they got Rondae, Hollis, Jefferson, D'Angelo, Russell.
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I mean, honestly, look at the roster.
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You go, Yeah, those are all that's or Blazers players like outside of outside of Cat Anthony Edwards and then Ricky Rubio.
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So it's, um it's interesting because I think they're trying to.
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Their first step is they're trying to become that Brooklyn team, right? That made the playoffs, Um, in D'Angelo's last year there.
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Like, I think that's kind of the goal.
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That's the first push.
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Um, you know, to become that type of team, that style of play and you gain a little bit of fun and start moving in the right direction, creating a culture that has been absent here.
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Um, and I don't know if that's going to come this year.
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A big difference, of course, is that that Brooklyn team was playing in the East, which, which wedged them that seventh for the seventh seed that year.
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Yeah, but it was like they squeaked it.
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I mean, it was like it was it.
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It took a couple.
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It's always squeaky.
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It's always query eso, but I mean, I think they're still trying to, like, push that ethos right of of being that sort of group, that that culture.
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I mean, Gerson Roses talks about that all the time.
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Ryan, culture is big on that.
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I mean, I'm not a I'm not against the idea of it.
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A little bit of it, if I'm being honest, seems kind of cliche.
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You know, it's a little kind of, ah, summer camp type of vibe, but at the same time, you're like we got to do stuff different.
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The culture has been terrible in in Minnesota pre Tibbs than with Tibbs.
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It wasn't exactly great, you know? So So I appreciate that.
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And I also go.
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You know what? Most of these guys air like college stage or just out of college, like 25 under.
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And, you know, young people like summer camp, you know? So maybe that's maybe that will work for them in cultivating that sort of culture.
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But that that's the challenge for Ryan Saunders, I think is is trying to, you know, stir some of that magic that Kenny Atkinson did in Brooklyn a few years ago.
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Yeah, I mean, I think that's the smart way to go.
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We'll start off with this kind of similar to Kenny Atkinson.
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It's a lot of we talked about this actually pretty show a little bit, a lot of read and react offense.
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It seems like it's very, very loose.
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Things are very loose.
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You're just sort of feeling things out.
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Do you feel like that's the right way to do things on offense? Do you? Would you do something different then? This is the most classic, like vlogger thing to be like.
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Here's how the often should be run.
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But it's funny.
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I'm thinking about back to the season opener of last season, which was against the Brooklyn Nets, and and I remember I was at that game. I was.
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I was covering that game and talking to Kenny Atkinson, asking him a question.
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You know, pre game.
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And that's obviously my only access to Katy Atkinson.
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But obviously drawing these connections Thio Wolves and and the Nets and and you know, I I asked him about that and and what? You know what the processes of creating a offensive scheme that is isn't based necessarily in specific sets or actions, but you know, free flowing motion and and what Kenny said was, he goes.
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It becomes so much easier to have toe for the players to buy into that once.
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Or it becomes effective once they also buy into shot values.
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And the idea of, you know, straying away from working from the mid range, being intentional about spreading the ball, moving into space on the perimeter, looking for threes, about targeting the corner, about getting to the rim.
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And and I think, what he said in the call.
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I'm trying to remember.
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It's a long time ago now, but the quote I used my story was, he said, That's the great challenge for Ryan.
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With with this group is to is to get them to buy into that not only on the offensive end, but really the Wolves defensive scheme and kind of what Kenny's was to is the idea of taking those things away on the other side of the floor, right, and and that's hard.
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I mean, it's hard for a lot of players to.
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It's a big shift, particularly look at the wolves from last year.
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Someone like Andrew Wiggins, who's been enabled toe work from the mid range for the entirety of his career, and, you know, for Ryan to kind of turn him into more of the lead guard and get him going downhill to get to the rim.
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That's, you know, it's a really undertaking.
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Thio completely changed the way that your players play, and I think it's worked really well with Cat.
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But the challenge is gonna be with D'Angelo, Russell and with Anthony Edwards, who that's not really there.
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General way of working and and you know we will.
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That's what we'll see.
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It's the great challenge again for Ryan Sanders because this whole rosters new all over again.
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Yeah, it's kind of funny how how much? It's a weird roster.
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So right now there's this guard rotation.
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A lot of people are talking about it.
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What do you feel like? Is there anybody that you feel like fits out right now or is there or or is it too early to kind of feel like that? It's weird because you have DeAngelo Russell and Ricky Rubio, who are both point guards, right? And so the challenge I think for Saunders is rotations.
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How are you going, Thio? How are you gonna handle rotations that what are you going to target? That's gonna be really important with this group of between Russell Rubio, Beasley and Anthony Edwards.
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The effectiveness of those pairings is gonna be dependent on who plays with who and when they play with who you know and what we've seen.
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The preseason is that one Rubio's coming off the bench, but that Deandra rustles the first sub out of games six minutes into the game.
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Or so, whatever the first real whistle there in the middle of the quarter.
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And that's when Rubio comes in, um, with Anthony Edwards and the offense from their becomes mawr focused on running.
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Actions for Anthony are for sorry for Malik Beasley because the Dello and Beasley combinations a little more tricky.
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They're both more of those, you know, lead guards in a way.
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So so I think that's what Saunders is targeting right now.
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Is, you know, kind of get the low out early, have him come back to start the second and really let Beasley be the guy in the backcourt for the second half of the first quarter.
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And obviously the same thing you know, extends Thio the second half.
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But that's but it's a challenge when you have, I mean, probably three of their four best players, our guys who are lead ball handlers in De Lo, Rubio and Beasley like they want to create for themselves.
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That's not Yeah, well, that may be.
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And I think that's the goal, right? Um, but But what? Why it hasn't worked, I felt, is that the difference between the Nets is the Wolves.
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They're also trying to play make through their five cats, the playmaker on the perimeter.
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They run five out offense.
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This isn't just like, all right, Jared Allen or D J go stand in the dunker and come up on screen.
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When we're ready for you.
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It's like, no, the first touches going to cat right up on top of the key, and we're working off of that.
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It's secondary actions for, you know, for for these other guys.
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But it's been honestly, man, it's been bad.
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It's been it's been real bumpy toe figure out who, you know.
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How will we pass on the baton at at the beginning when all those guys were out there together and it really hurts this group that they don't have, haven't had training camp then they haven't had a lot of time to say like This is this is one of those teams where it's like there's a couple teams like that.
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They're just young and that have a lot of promising pieces.
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But that means it's going to take time.
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And I think the Timberwolves because of how I guess a little bit duplicative in away.
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Some of their pieces are.
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It just feels like it's gonna be a big growing process.
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Well, at least early on, right? Like and And so I I did it a pod last night where I was just kind of trying to estimate where they fall in terms of offensive and defensive rating, you know, and I'd kind of like gone into the season with the idea of like they'll probably be a top 10 offense because in the season Cats played like they were number four in offense.
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The Jimmy Year and they've been number.
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They were number 10 and number 13.
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I mean, they've always been in above average offense with cat and you go all right.
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You had, you know, some or offensive players to the bunch, like in theory, that jumps up.
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But then I'm sitting there writing it down, you know, making a list of the 10.
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And I kind of looking at the top 10 from last year, like, kind of tough to pull a lot of these teams out of there.
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And then, honestly, Brooklyn, I come to and I'm, like, scroll all the way down to 21st last year.
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I'm like, Well, I mean, don't there are locked to be a top 10 offense, don't you think? Like like preseason right there.
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I just was like, this is it was like a stimulation over.
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What is good thing is, what do you think? Like what? Do you think they'll finish an offense this year? Top five? Yeah, I think that was I felt five was, like, conservative.
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I just like their picked them up and put them right in tow into that group.
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They're gonna be ridiculous.
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The other side of the floor, who knows, But, um but yeah, the three offense is not gonna be a problem.
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We'll say that like, and it doesn't even I'm at the point.
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Very wolves.
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E c.
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It's like you're like an optimized version.
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Yeah, exactly. It's funny.
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We're doing this.
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Um Where do you have them in defense.
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So they have very poor defensive talent.
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Um, that's just true.
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Um, it's been really encouraging.
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Uh, Eric Holder's looked really good defensively in the preseason.
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Joshua Cokie's also, um, a strong point of attack defender.
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So you have two of those guys, which is really important when, um, you know Malik Beasley and D'Angelo Russell are some of the worst guard point of attack defenders in the league.
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E don't know people.
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It's so it's so annoying.
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Like I feel like I'm offending people when I say, Oh, so and so is bad at defense.
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But what about when we go toe like offense and we could be like, Oh, so and so is a 30% 3 point shooter they're not good at, You know, that's, like, fair to do, but they're not defense.
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It's It's like you're you don't know.
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It's like offensive.
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Yeah, maybe it's like a mentality thing, so it's like you're insulting.
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I don't know.
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But I think that not just the mentality thing, it's a skill is a skill.
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Something like Russell's.
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Russell's not the quickest guy, so he just has never been getting.
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He's never been good at getting around screens. Never.
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I don't think I ever will be.
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Hey won't.
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And it's like what I said is like I compared it to Rondae, Hollis Jefferson and I was like, Man, I'm sure Rondae Hollis Jefferson wants to be a 40% 3 point shooter, too.
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Rondae, Hollis Jefferson is a 20% 3 point shooter, and that's just and that's fine.
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That's just what his game is.
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He's, um, or one dimensional player and S, O R D, Angelo Russell and Malik Beasley.
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They happen to be more one dimensional on the more impactful side of the ball, and they're even better.
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And there, you know, bordering on elite offensive players.
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I think you could make the argument.
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But to get back to the point is, it's really important to be able to hide one or both of them as much as possible.
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And that's where Joshua, Cokie and Jarrett Culver come in, where they could be the point of Attack defender.
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They could be guarding John Maranto through the Wolves by the Grizzlies their first two games, and then you can just kind of tucked de lo away on, like Kyle Anderson, right and and you're in a bit of, ah, you know, a bit of a safer spot.
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The problem will, of course, be transition.
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You're not gonna always get those sort of things, but in theory, the Wolves air trying to run a drop scheme defensively, they're trying to control a pick and roll with two defenders.
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Kogi at the point of Attack Cat is the dropping big, and it's a super conservative scheme that works in the regular season.
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Yeah, and that's what we're talking about right now, right? You know, like when you're talking about defensive rating, it takes away.
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It's built to take away corner threes and the rim, and it's going to give a lot of clean looks in the mid range.
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So I think just with that, it's ****ytically driven enough to make you not be a bottom five defense in the league.
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I think a lot of people will predict the wolves are a bottom five defense in the league and I just think this scheme will prevent that from happening.
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I mean, they were terrible last year and they were 21st on defense like a terrible team, 21st on defense, and that's and I think a lot of that had to do with the super conservative scheme.
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Now I'm not saying it's a good scheme because to your point it it could be penetrated in the playoffs.
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And I think even in the regular season, it's so conservative that it has the ceiling of mediocrity, right? It's it's what the Blazers were forever and it's like we're trying to be the top offense in the league and 15th and defense.
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That's that's the best we can do it.
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So I think that's what the Wolves are are shooting for.
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They don't have the talent to be the 15th best defense in the league, but they have this scheme that will prevent them from being terrible defensively, that the best way to use towns.
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There's a lot of just in general only.
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I mean, I've been pretty outspoken about the idea that I just don't think, uh, defending the pick and roll with two with Captain one of the two is is the best option.
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Um, because he doesn't move Hey, struggles.
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I mean, it's a really hard.
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That's a hard job, right? Like you need to you need to make that decision of taking away the guard versus taking away the lob you get put in purgatory.
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All all the guys to, you know, go bare does.
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That's That's a hard job, And Cat hasn't been very good at the decision making process there now there.
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I think a big reason that they stick to this and don't use um, or aggressive scheme is because Karl Anthony Towns has been extremely foul prone in his career.
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And now, if you want to start bringing them up to the level of the screen, you wanna start trapping.
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He's gonna get more fouls, and he doesn't have any to get, like he picked up five fouls in the 1st 15 minutes of the preseason game And this team, if Cats in foul trouble Rhonda Hellis Jefferson's coming into play five.
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Ed Davis is coming into play five.
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Your you're gonna lose, right.
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He's such an important clog to the offense and obviously just a great player, Um, that I think I can't get them to pin that down as a reason for admitting it.
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You know, the kind of the kind of point to it.
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I think they believe in this scheme, though I think David Vanterpool, uh, the associate head coach.
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His Linus solid is enough defensively, and, you know, and that's what they're going for.
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That scheme, that scheme with Cat is solid is enough, and they want to be.
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The optimized version of this team again.
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Wants to be a top three offense in the league and mediocre defensively.
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I and I think that's probably a reasonable a reasonable goal, given the talent they currently have is they wanna be the Mavs of last year, you know, like for the Hawks of this year or the or the Hawks? The Blazers, you know, like, honestly, the Nets.
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Maybe like it's it's that whole.
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It's the idea of net impact versus overall, like you're not gonna be top five top or Top 10 top 10.
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It's being so positive on offense that your mediocre defense is fine.
00:22:41
That's interesting.
00:22:42
This gets real philosophical like, Does that work? What? What? What's the proof of concept With that? I think it's there's a proof of concept, Yeah, but it's it's pretty fast.
00:22:50
I don't know.
00:22:51
I mean, I don't know, but it it zits.
00:22:53
The thing that I find it's so important for the Timberwolves because it directly connects to Karl Anthony towns and his weakness, which is defense right? And they've chosen this very specific path to roll with, and they've chosen to not give him any sort of front court help in terms of size and strength.
00:23:13
That's my next question.
00:23:14
Who's the Who's the best? Who's the best counter for him? Partner for him in the front court, not on the roster.
00:23:24
I mean, I like it isn't that was, That's the whole on the team.
00:23:30
Last year was Robert Covington was the starting four, and by the way, that didn't work.
00:23:35
The worst Wolves worst to man defensive pairing last season was Cat Robert. That's so surprising.
00:23:42
Yeah, indicted.
00:23:44
Yeah.
00:23:45
So let's let's pick somebody from, ah, hat like the best we can be.
00:23:51
Don't pick like Anthony.
00:23:52
It's no, I mean like, it's like Milkha arguments.
00:23:56
Millsap's the yoga idea, right? It's it's it's being it's being the that the help in that situation that that they saw.
00:24:07
And Yokich has a lot of that, the same weaknesses that cat does as, ah, as a defender.
00:24:14
Cats more athletic.
00:24:16
He's more laterally quick.
00:24:17
Um, Yokich has a lot of her hands on the ball.
00:24:20
It's why they actually they play him up at the level mawr of the screen, which you would kind of be like, Whoa, that dude slow.
00:24:25
He's just gonna get cooked.
00:24:26
But, you know, he is.
00:24:27
He has pretty good hands.
00:24:28
There are good decisions with that, I think.
00:24:30
A pretty decision maker For what? You know what? He's working with laterally.
00:24:34
And then And then he got Millsap on the back side.
00:24:37
Now it was better two years ago.
00:24:38
323 years ago when it was 32 year old versus 36 year old Millsap.
00:24:45
But it's that it's that type of guy.
00:24:48
And three and the wolves.
00:24:49
The wolves pursuit Paul Millsap this offseason, 30 36 year old S o I'm ultimately the again realistic names that I've brought up are you know, Aaron Gordon, because I think, um, I well, I think he fits what they want to do offensively but defensively to he's got, he's got the ability toe, do the things offensively.
00:25:14
Play fast and, you know, play offense fast, but also be able to hold his own defensively.
00:25:20
And I think Nikola Vucevic is another really good facsimile for cat defensively, right? And think about Orlando.
00:25:27
Orlando has been a top 10 defense with Vucevic at the five the past the past few years, and I would say, I mean, everybody seems to hate Aaron Gordon, but, like, how are we gonna give Paul Millsap credit for that? Everybody hates him.
00:25:40
But I've had my last couple of guests of all proud of Aaron Gordon as trade targets.
00:25:45
I mean, part of that's just location, right? And it's like, Well, the Aaron Gordon thing, This is kind of sitting there in Orlando.
00:25:52
Yeah, he's just sitting there, kind of misused.
00:25:54
So I get that and and we can't We can't just pick Anthony Davis is and and that sort of thing, another guy, The Wolves.
00:26:01
Another guy the Wolves pursued this offseason was Larry Nance Jr.
00:26:03
Oh, I love Oh, I love that.
00:26:05
Yeah, so I mean that it's right.
00:26:08
It's kind of that that type of guy who is going to be more stout physically, uh, defense can be that back line help for cat when he's in a pick and roll and does, the guard does get by him, but also, you know, offensively is athletic and can play fast.
00:26:25
Obviously, with Gordon, you're playing him a little bit more on the perimeter than with Nancy, and more have him in the dunker, as a, you know, is a screen and roll type of guy.
00:26:34
But I think that's the future for this team.
00:26:37
I think that's an I think that's the next year power for something, you know, something like that, would you? It would be free agency draft, kind of.
00:26:44
You know, you don't think it's gonna happen.
00:26:45
They're they're almost there, almost at the tax.
00:26:48
For next year, this team will sign nobody for the next.
00:26:52
For the entirety of the cat era, It's all trades.
00:26:54
And that's why when people are like, Oh, yeah, oh, you signed Beasley to that? I mean, part of it just straight up.
00:27:01
Part of the reason those guys air here is their human trade exceptions where you know, that's That's your matching.
00:27:08
I mean, the again.
00:27:09
Let's do the Brooklyn thing there.
00:27:10
The Caris Levert probably probably really Prince's exactly yeah, somewhere within that range, because bottom line wolves don't have enough talent to be, uh, you know, a top four or five seed in the West.
00:27:26
So eventually you have to add that talent.
00:27:28
And what is your you know, what is your process? Their their processes.
00:27:33
All right, Well, what we can do now is draft the highest upside players in the draft.
00:27:38
And that's why they took Anthony Edwards.
00:27:40
Because he has, in their eyes, has the highest upside of of all the guys in this class, same thing that took Jade McDaniels late in the first round.
00:27:47
Big, I mean, a risk bus potential for sure.
00:27:51
But he also, but he also has upside.
00:27:53
He was like a top five high school recruit, you know? And so So they're taking those swings.
00:27:57
And then from there, they're just sitting there.
00:28:01
They're just sitting there waiting for the opportunity where somebody is made available to That is a star of third star to pair with cat and yellow.
00:28:13
And then they're gonna throw Malik into that trade they're gonna throw want a hernangomez into that trade.
00:28:17
Whatever other salary, Jarrett, Culver, whatever you Whatever you gotta do to get the money matched up again, Oliver Dinwiddie, whatever.
00:28:27
And and then they're gonna They're gonna try and get that guy.
00:28:31
They have no other path.
00:28:32
They have no other path to getting that guy.
00:28:34
And that guy, whoever it is, is a need for this team.
00:28:38
If they're ever going to be a good team in the Karl Anthony towns era.
00:28:41
So yeah, because there you feel like because they're on a little bit of, ah, like a timeline.
00:28:46
Almost just with they have thio everybody.
00:28:49
Everybody loves that term e something better.
00:28:52
And I was like, You know, But it's just true.
00:28:55
Why aren't they on a timeline? Like Let this is just This is how the MBA works.
00:29:01
Like these guys get onto their second contract usually and usually move before their third or it works and the team's awesome and they sign a Supermax like Yannis.
00:29:15
But let's do most of the other guys, man.
00:29:17
Most of the other guys were like cat level.
00:29:19
Paul George, you know, moves a Blake Griffin moves, it's all the I mean, they typically move, so you gotta you got to nail it.
00:29:28
You've got to get there before.
00:29:31
I mean, he still got four years left on his deal, so I'm including this year.
00:29:35
So you got time with cat, but you also have a timeline.
00:29:39
I don't I don't understand how you could think that you don't.
00:29:43
Bigger question is how long is that timeline? When when do you When does the trade cat conversation? What went for them? They go when? When do we have to be goodbye? Before there is that natural agitation which would be fine and normal for cat toe? Have there was the agitation with Yannis.
00:30:03
It was there.
00:30:04
He clearly delayed the entire process as long as he could to sign the Supermax before he did.
00:30:12
Like that is coming.
00:30:14
That comes with all good players.
00:30:17
That's just the MBA.
00:30:18
Be interesting with, if there's any anything, I mean, probably not.
00:30:23
But if the honest thing affects anything, guys air more or less inclined.
00:30:27
But I might That might not liking.
00:30:30
Yeah, but how does the wishful thinking go? I mean, I think it's I think it's Z.
00:30:36
Just Your team has to be awesome on the Bucks.
00:30:38
You're pretty awesome, you know, And and then I think you have to be of a certain mentality where you're just not as drawn to going and playing in New York or L A or whatever.
00:30:49
All that that stuff like from you know what I can gather from afar.
00:30:55
You, honest, seems to be that type of personality who isn't as drawn to that cat.
00:31:03
Probably is.
00:31:04
What? What's the timeline? Let me ask you that.
00:31:07
How long do you think they have? I think I've said this for a while now.
00:31:12
I think 2021 is next summer.
00:31:15
I think they've been lining it all up to me.
00:31:17
That's the time where they go all in on and we'll pay up like will pay up picks wise and assets wise to go get that third guy because they have Thio like they have to eventually put the chips in the middle toe, have a team that can compete And I think they've been I think they've been lying the groundwork Now for me, Roses.
00:31:39
This is his second year coming in and he went and he got dello last year and everybody can think what they think about Dello.
00:31:47
But he believes in him.
00:31:49
Ah, lot more than others do.
00:31:50
He targeted him.
00:31:52
E feel like you're ah, lot of people.
00:31:56
I got a fight on that and I'm like, this isn't even me saying that I'm just saying roses, roses is into him.
00:32:02
And he's also into the idea that they had to get rid of Wiggins.
00:32:04
I mean, in their eyes, that is a massive win.
00:32:08
They have established two of their three tent poles, and and I think in 2021 they go all right.
00:32:16
You know, everybody's gonna be moving around so many different free agent contracts or whether it's a sign and trade, whether it's just somebody moving out to get somebody else in, like roses is gonna have that net cast.
00:32:28
And he's gonna be like, All right, Like, what's it gonna cost? We got we got a good young player in Malik Beasley at, you know, ah, salary that will get us most of the way their way got traded over the number.
00:32:44
Totally. Yeah.
00:32:45
I mean, well, I think so.
00:32:46
I mean, I'm not saying it's a value, but it's the money.
00:32:49
It's that you gotta have those guys.
00:32:52
If you're trying to trade for a $28 million player, you gotta have a $15 million player to put in the deal, right? That's just and Maliki usually is that and and then the wolves got the blue chipper.
00:33:04
I mean, they have what the Nets don't, right.
00:33:07
They have the number one overall pick in in Anthony Edwards to be able to put there.
00:33:12
So now.
00:33:14
So now what? I don't like putting specific names of this, but let's call it Ben Simmons.
00:33:19
I was gonna I was literally the first person I was thinking of for you guys.
00:33:21
I mean, whatever.
00:33:22
I just what I always say is the Ben Simmons Devin Booker facts similar.
00:33:26
We don't know who that's gonna be, but that type of player, that level of player, $30 million player who's cat in Diallo's age, you know, you put you put easily in the deal.
00:33:40
You put Anthony Edwards in the deal.
00:33:42
Now, how much more? How much now it's how maney first and and the Wolves don't have their 2021.
00:33:49
1st they had to pay that to get off of Wiggins.
00:33:51
But beyond that, they have all their first.
00:33:54
So I think that's the ultimately, that's what it's gonna come down to is next summer is what does What does that get you? So that's what does Anthony Edwards, Beasley and picks get you.
00:34:07
So that's kind of it Seems like you feel like that's a little bit of how the roster was built this year was in preparation for that year.
00:34:17
So, yeah, What does that mean for them this year? What? Where do you think they finish? It's I mean, if I knew that again And I'm sure you and your listeners remember what cat looked like in that first game of last season and just came.
00:34:36
Kyrie had 50.
00:34:37
But Cat matched him. Yeah.
00:34:39
Oh, I and Cat.
00:34:40
I had a big article about Stretch Center.
00:34:42
So it's like this team and, by the way, still rings true.
00:34:46
I don't know if the Nets are gonna help.
00:34:47
Didn't offend Stretch Center.
00:34:49
E mean, it's hard to guard.
00:34:51
It's hard, it's hard.
00:34:54
So I mean, really in everybody, you know, you know, rightfully kind of mock the wolves last year, but they they won the first three games this season and they started 10 and eight, and cat was balling.
00:35:05
Yep, that whole time and and he was doing that with nothing around him and and so, the you know, if I could know that you're going to get that first if the 1st 20 games, they're gonna look like that from Cat, then like Okay, I'm putting wolves in the top 10 offense conversation and and I think they're a team that has a case. Thio.
00:35:30
At least get into the playing conversation, if not just the top eight conversation.
00:35:35
But how in the world can we expect that from Karl Anthony towns? It Z He is the key variable in how good they are, and he is the most unknown variable on the entire team.
00:35:47
He's spoken to the media once in nine months, and his zoom audio didn't even really work.
00:35:53
So it's like we I don't I mean, it's all hearsay on what's going on, you know, with him, obviously trauma and and and how? How is that going to impact him? And he's out there playing and credit him for that.
00:36:11
He's just seriously, seriously, and I feel that it's just it's basketball time now to so so those to me.
00:36:19
These those air 2 to 2 separate conversations.
00:36:21
And if we're talking about basketball and how good this team is gonna be and we want to call him a playoff team, it requires cap being very good, um, at playing basketball this year and he's He did not play, um, a lot of five on five this summer as a lot of guys didn't and he does not appear to be in basketball shape now.
00:36:43
He still has talent like he could still make 40% of eight threes a game if he's not in great, you know, talent or not in great shape.
00:36:52
But I think that's why he picked up five follows on Jonas Valanciunas in 15 minutes in the first preseason.
00:36:58
Hired, I would be like, I mean, I get it, you know, So so really like it.
00:37:07
Xgo una be about putting in that work in that conditioning right and and doing whatever he can do within this trauma to be a great basketball player.
00:37:20
And it's it's just all about that.
00:37:22
I think if we're making a bet, if we're projecting, if whatever it's like, how am I gonna project that? Cat's gonna be as good as he was last year.
00:37:33
I don't know.
00:37:34
I just don't think I don't think we can do that.
00:37:37
And if he's not that good, they're not a top 10 offense.
00:37:40
They're already gonna be a bottom 10 defense.
00:37:44
So you're just not like you're not in the mix.
00:37:49
Yep, you're you're a poor Western Conference team.
00:37:53
That's unless he's awesome.
00:37:56
And that knows that this is a different conversation.
00:37:58
But how can we protect that right now? Do you think it effects with their pick going to Gold State? If they just don't look good? Does that affect their season early? Well, it's hard because it's they.
00:38:12
Its top three protected.
00:38:14
So even if the Wolves were the worst team in the league, which they won't be, But even if they were, even if they tanked, you know, you still only have, like, a 40% chance of getting that with the lottery odds flattening.
00:38:30
So I mean, man, that's a tough pill to swallow.
00:38:36
Tanking would be.
00:38:38
Yeah, well, what if they tank and still don't get it? You know, like, which is the odds on likelihood that was the wolves of my childhood like that? Well, yeah, it's just I don't know, man.
00:38:55
I would That would be pretty soft if that ends up in the strategy this year, you know? And like, I think you've got to try and compete you got to start cultivating some sort of winning culture, not hand holding, culture winning culture.
00:39:14
You got to start moving in that direction and you have You have a literal disincentive of your picks going to Golden State.
00:39:23
Just let it go to Golden State. Go.
00:39:25
Even if you're the 11 seed, go get the 11 seed and you know, and let them take that pick.
00:39:30
It would just be I don't know.
00:39:33
Even if you tank, you're not you still probably not gonna get your pick.
00:39:37
That would be a tough watch this year if that's what they end up.
00:39:40
Not great.
00:39:41
If you're under a strict time.
00:39:44
And what does CAT think about that? Exactly what does the low think about that? What? The other team? Oh, like what? Other players around the league.
00:39:51
How does that if you're going for, like, a third? If you're going for that third star, that's not a great look.
00:39:57
Eso I don't know.
00:39:59
I mean, could I see them tanking if cat gets hurt or Diello gets hurt or something? Maybe, um, but as currently constructed, let's just play basketball.
00:40:10
Like Ryan Saunders has gotten no shot.
00:40:15
Thio illustrate how good or bad of a coach's.
00:40:18
He took over for Tibbs and everybody stopped playing.
00:40:24
Got shut down.
00:40:25
You know, you couldn't see how good of a coach he was that year.
00:40:27
And then last season, it's, you know, they're good at the beginning of the year, CAC It's hurting their terrible, like how good of a coach is.
00:40:36
You also got a that's important data point to be able toe nail down to is, is Ryan the coach of the future? And what is what are his strengths? What are his weaknesses like? I want to see that.
00:40:46
So I would I would very much.
00:40:48
I think the right thing to do is go out and compete for 72 games, develop a culture and figure out what you got.
00:40:55
Like 20.
00:40:56
You bring more than theoretical Game 20.
00:40:58
You bring up Kenny.
00:40:59
That's a lot.
00:41:00
What it was like got a pretty good feel for them.
00:41:02
That's what it seems like they did.
00:41:03
They made a decision from there.
00:41:06
It's I mean, that's been that's been the narrative out there with Ryan, not obviously not from the Timbers front office, but it's like, is he just this first window, Coach, the young guys up group and then eventually, as happened to Kenny.
00:41:24
You know, things kind of look nice, but you go, it's time to compete.
00:41:27
We're bringing in the high, the high pedigree guy.
00:41:30
You know, I could see that. Yep.
00:41:32
Well, it also involved, I think, like getting that third guy.
00:41:36
I think that would accelerate that.
00:41:38
Trigger it, right? Yeah.
00:41:39
So I think who's gonna be the biggest prize on the roster if there is one, I think and, you know, maybe you the wrong person to talk to you about this.
00:41:49
But I think like the perception of D'Angelo Russell around league has just really fallen.
00:41:55
I don't get it.
00:41:56
He had a decent year last year.
00:41:57
I thought he was good.
00:41:59
It was like I think it was You saw flashes of good and you go.
00:42:06
I mean, obviously had so much time to go back and watch all of it over the summer.
00:42:09
And you just the talent stands out a lot more when you actually watch him play games than it than it does by just looking at his numbers.
00:42:18
And and I mean, it's just pretty indisputable that he's going to be playing with so much more talent than he has for so much of his career.
00:42:28
He's gonna be playing in a system that should theoretically benefit him.
00:42:33
I think that's just kind of idea that it's like, Oh, yeah, deal is just kind of like a starting level point guard in the MBA and maybe an inefficient one at that, Like, I don't think I think that changes.
00:42:46
I think I think people not only in Minnesota but around the league will be like Okay, like D'Angelo's in the conversation.
00:42:55
Obviously, it's a high bar in the West to be an All Star.
00:42:57
I'm not saying that, but like getting rid of the whole idea that he's a guy who puts up a lot of points but maybe isn't, ah, positive impact player.
00:43:10
I think he will clearly be a positive net impact player.
00:43:13
He was in Brooklyn.
00:43:14
He was a big positive for them.
00:43:16
So that's the goal.
00:43:17
So that's the goal is to play and be like Brooklyn.
00:43:20
Yeah, and I thought he made little improvements, just little ones, slightly more like slightly higher free throw rate.
00:43:28
I believe I don't know if that's stuck for the entire last season.
00:43:32
Um, it was low in Brooklyn.
00:43:34
It was really low.
00:43:35
You did minor adjustments on the things that were weak points for him in Brooklyn.
00:43:40
So I don't know.
00:43:41
I'm not getting He's not getting to the line.
00:43:43
That's just not e.
00:43:45
He's not getting to the rim.
00:43:47
He's not gonna get to the rim, either.
00:43:49
I saw somebody like tweeted me some sort of like synergy, stat or whatever.
00:43:52
It's like in like in possessions, that Dan drew Russell shots at the rim.
00:43:58
He's 98th percentile, although it's only 7% of his possessions.
00:44:03
I'm like, Dude, that means he made open layups.
00:44:06
He made fast break open lapse, that's what That stat that doesn't go in like three year like it's like a three way down there.
00:44:15
And you're like, Oh, wait, 28 total possessions 97.
00:44:18
Let's leave that out of the tweet.
00:44:20
Yeah, five e.
00:44:24
I gotta hit this.
00:44:25
If small sample size would have extrapolates for a season, no, it's like we gotta with him and with a lot of guys who just aren't superstar levels like we can acknowledge that they could be very good while still being bad at things E.
00:44:42
I don't that that's fine.
00:44:44
That's fine.
00:44:46
Like, it's not fine for Quite Leonard.
00:44:49
But that's because he's like the third best player in the N B A.
00:44:53
Daniel Russell's like the 13th best point guard, you know, like it's okay if there's some things you can't.
00:45:00
So I think I think his perception is gonna get up.
00:45:03
That's good.
00:45:04
That's good. I know my myself.
00:45:06
Viewers will wanna hear that.
00:45:08
Actually, I bet there's gonna be a lot of Nets people on this because you guys are the Nets.
00:45:12
Now.
00:45:13
You guys are like the most beloved discomforts team to what's, uh what's the What's the That's the league team.
00:45:18
Uh, Long Island.
00:45:20
Yeah. The Long Island Timber Rules.
00:45:22
Yeah, Jordan McLaughlin was actually from the Long Island nets and was good on the wolves last year to, uh all right, we're going to do to quicker question, maybe not quicker.
00:45:35
More fun questions, though.
00:45:38
So I wanted to ask you about your favorite quote.
00:45:40
I sent these to you beforehand, but your favorite quote of the media presses so far, my mind's from today.
00:45:47
It was Yeah, I asked him.
00:45:52
I don't I asked him.
00:45:54
I don't even really remember what I asked him.
00:45:55
It's something about, like, the physicality of the league and because, like, what's What's it been like? Adjusting to the physicality, the league? And he goes, Man, it's hard to guard screens in the MBA.
00:46:08
Them dudes big them, dude setting them screens, they big.
00:46:13
Once I watching a film on that, though, it will become easier for me because I'm pretty big.
00:46:17
Also, he seems duty.
00:46:19
I am such if it was so everything that happened predraft where people were like attacking his character, I was like, This is gross, like the skin is awesome.
00:46:29
So okay, No.
00:46:31
Okay, here's the thing.
00:46:32
This is what I say to people.
00:46:33
Everyone goes, Oh, he's Wiggins. Two point.
00:46:35
Oh, no, He is Zach Lavine to point out.
00:46:39
And it's the same thing, man.
00:46:41
When Zack was here, he's this affable, goofy fan base connects to him.
00:46:47
Whatever that quote was like.
00:46:50
He's not even thinking before.
00:46:51
He's saying that he's just talking, and fans love that.
00:46:54
And fans love Zack here in Minnesota, not to mention yes, yes, everyone did like not to mention like Zach is pretty fun to watch play basketball.
00:47:04
So freak athlete natural like I mean, there's gonna be a lot of that, too, with Anthony Edwards.
00:47:09
So I mean, if we're gonna be making lazy, compare Anthony Edwards Thio other player comparisons specifically on the temples like Zach Lavine is your is your answer.
00:47:20
He's I can't tell you from an interview standpoint how different Andrew Wiggins is compared to Anthony Network.
00:47:29
I might not be able to pick out two players in the in the league that arm or different.
00:47:34
It would need to be a player who doesn't speak English.
00:47:37
It's they're not the same up here.
00:47:40
Like, Yes, you could point to some things when you watch the film where Edwards, you know, ball watched and look disengaged at Georgia when he was an 18 year old.
00:47:49
Yes, that's for some of that, for sure.
00:47:51
Showed up in Kansas with Wiggins.
00:47:54
But, man like, how are you gonna put that on Anthony Edwards? How are you gonna put the six years of what Andrew Wiggins has laid down in the n b.
00:48:02
A on anti Edwards? How are you going to say? Oh, yeah, he's gonna be that, like Andrew Wiggins is our Matt, What's been a massive bust? Yep.
00:48:12
In his MBA career, that is not maximized the talent that he has, like, I don't know, just assume that.
00:48:21
Is that a possibility for Anthony Edwards? Sure, it's a possibility for anyone, for anybody like this is what he's gonna be like.
00:48:27
No, no, they're not.
00:48:30
They don't even personality.
00:48:31
Waas like, as you indicated.
00:48:33
They don't seem like the same guy.
00:48:34
We just wants to, like, walk his dogs and like to do whatever, Wiggins.
00:48:38
And you know what, man? Wiggins grew up a lot last year.
00:48:42
He did, and that was like I wrote about that over the course of and he played better to like before.
00:48:47
Things like that part of that, too.
00:48:49
Like, remember, it was like, Oh, boy, it's in there.
00:48:54
It's in there! But really what? It had been in there in the past, right? But I just could tell from, you know, back when we had access to teams, you know, and being around people and even just like it sounds stupid.
00:49:08
But my mat, like some Christmas shopping event the Timberwolves put on and just like seeing Andrew there with his daughter and his and his girlfriend.
00:49:19
And it's just like what I would say is, people, all humans, they flipped the adults switch at different times in their life, you know, and for for some people, like by necessity or whatever, they got to do it pretty early.
00:49:34
When they're 18 19, it's like time to be a man.
00:49:37
And, you know, I'd say for me like it za post college on.
00:49:41
I think that's honestly the norm where, like all right, it's time to flip the switch and and take this all a little bit more serious.
00:49:50
And I thought Andrew is really impressive with that.
00:49:53
And I think it totally showed up in his work in his game and his effectiveness.
00:49:58
And and that's the reason that if you want to say like Wiggins is gonna be solid in Golden State, it's because he's older than he was in Minnesota.
00:50:08
It's not.
00:50:09
He's not the same person because none of us are the same person when we're 21.
00:50:13
Vs one were 25.
00:50:15
That's just that's just true.
00:50:17
Yeah, and especially I think if you move you like you associate things by location, right? This is This is my I've moved.
00:50:25
This is my big second full time job.
00:50:29
Maybe you take it a little, you know, a little more seriously.
00:50:31
You haven't been there since speak that stuff can like.
00:50:34
That's human stuff's.
00:50:37
You enter different phases of your life sometimes just based on location.
00:50:41
It could be moving apartments like Oh, I'm more productive.
00:50:44
Different.
00:50:46
Four Walls.
00:50:47
Yeah, so, um, that's Ah, that's interesting.
00:50:50
I mean, that's good, though.
00:50:51
I'm happy to hear that, because I just you know you want, you hear a lot of things.
00:50:55
And he had moments I think in Golden State to there's actually a lot of optimism, a lot of optimism for Wiggins right now from Golden State.
00:51:02
Just talking about it's just weird.
00:51:03
It's like there's like you gotta focus the optimism.
00:51:07
Unlike specific things, e think like generally, it's just like this optimism that he could still become what you hoped he would be when he entered the league.
00:51:17
Yeah, that probably isn't a thing, and like and I don't think Golden State will necessarily provide the infrastructure for that to happen.
00:51:28
But there could be optimism about Andrew Wiggins becoming a productive like discernibly positive player in the NBA and I feel like Steve Curtis had all the right things over the time.
00:51:38
Or, like, noted all the right things.
00:51:40
We're trying to make him a defender first, Simplify things a little bit where he's not having to be.
00:51:45
That I could see it.
00:51:46
Yeah, because that could be an All Star.
00:51:48
But like, Yeah, I'm I don't I I would love to see it for him, you know, Go, go. Have success.
00:51:58
He was always He was always, um he was quiet, but he was always very kind with all of us in the, you know, in the in the media, where which is kind of big of him, because ah, lot of times what NBA players do is they see all the stuff on Twitter and Instagram and all whatever, and they associate that with the people are holding the mix in front of us.
00:52:20
And it's very rarely coming from the people who are holding the mix in front of you in the locker room, you know? And I think Wiggins actually got that, and I appreciate that about him.
00:52:30
He was He was not engaging but fair.
00:52:35
I hear you on that First, um, second question for you.
00:52:41
What was your favorite stat from last year as it shapes this Timberwolves season? Okay, Um, my favorite stat from last year's when Cat was on the floor.
00:52:54
The wolves were the equivalent of the number two offense in the MBA and the number and the number 30 defense.
00:53:03
When he was off the floor, they were the equivalent of the 30th offense and the 15th defense, which is pretty impressive on both both of those stocks.
00:53:13
That is a massive impact.
00:53:15
Oh, my God.
00:53:18
And and it was really interesting to particularly cat missed, um, before the trade deadline.
00:53:23
Katniss 13 games.
00:53:25
I think it was maybe 17 and and in his place, gorging started starting at center.
00:53:33
And there was a really great defense of synergy between him and Robert Covington and Shabazz.
00:53:38
Napier was playing well at the point.
00:53:40
Teague was down Wiggins and whatever somebody else on the wing and they were for that, like I think was like, 17 games.
00:53:48
They're the number one defense in the MBA, and and in ways it was like this massive indictment of cat.
00:53:57
But it was also like you could look at that glass half full and be like, Oh, this there is something to this system or yeah, with that might be a Saunders.
00:54:05
Yeah, Saunders Vanterpool, their you know, their defensive scheme.
00:54:09
So the honestly the defense part of of that cat off number gets dropped down toe 15 because they were atrocious.
00:54:18
After the trade deadline, Covington's out, Jiang's out and you bring in D'Angelo, Russell, watcher, hernangomez and Beasley who are not their strengths to play defense.
00:54:27
So yeah, but at the same time, like Man, Cat had them playing like the number two offense in the MBA.
00:54:36
And he's out there in playing next to Trevi Ingraham.
00:54:40
That's starting their opening.
00:54:42
Exactly.
00:54:43
He started for the Timberwolves and Cats getting doubled in the post, and he skips it over to Trevi, Ingraham, Joshua Kogi and Jared Culver.
00:54:51
All three of those guys shot under 30% on catch and shoot threes last year under 30.
00:54:57
They're all bottom 10 in the n b.
00:54:58
A tough todo Can you imagine, though? If you're the center and you're on the block and you're getting doubled, you go. Alright.
00:55:04
Trevians wide open for the skip over there again.
00:55:06
You got to make that pass and trivia, and you got to shoot it, you know, or Or Cover or Cokie And they didn't make him under 30%.
00:55:15
I catch and shoot.
00:55:16
It was that's tough to watch, too, but yet still still the number two offense.
00:55:22
In spite of that, that is like Catman.
00:55:26
Everyone have at it with the defense, but paint the whole picture That, like there's reason to say that he is like Luca level special offensively, There's reason for that, and we just haven't seen it in the construct of a full team, really, or with Rick Carlisle on that sort of stuff.
00:55:50
But that's out there.
00:55:53
That's out there for cat offensively and who knows who knows about the defense to be determined? Well, I mean, I don't know if he's had a roster that's really, like fit that yet given him that ability to do that.
00:56:03
He's got an offensive.
00:56:04
He's got an offensive roster this year.
00:56:06
This year, maybe, and maybe it works.
00:56:08
Maybe that's kind of why I'm like I've seen crazier things like the Skip Pass goes to Dello Beasley or want show.
00:56:14
Those guys all show 40% from three on catch and shoots.
00:56:17
You go from guys who were shooting 28 on catch and shoot threes to deal.
00:56:22
Oh, to Beasley.
00:56:23
To hernangomez 40%.
00:56:25
3 point shooters often should be way better than already.
00:56:30
Good offense was before it's there's reason for optimism in the office.
00:56:34
The Wolves will be a top, I think a top, however many league past team for me.
00:56:39
I'm gonna Maybe that's just me being a wolf batter.
00:56:44
But it's not the team you're watching all the time.
00:56:49
It's easier to watch a team that is bad defense because you're just kind of like you're like, Oh, I'm just kind of tuning in for some, like, fun offense.
00:56:56
I'm gonna watch Hornets in there.
00:56:58
I'm gonna I'm gonna watch the Hornets a lot.
00:57:01
Yeah, I have a lot of hard.
00:57:02
It's a lot more mellow.
00:57:03
Was my guy in the draft? Um so yeah, I mean that Z there'll be fun.
00:57:08
I'm I'm excited for this.
00:57:09
Is this again? First time I've been excited.
00:57:12
I'm excited to cover it.
00:57:13
Let me say for you. That's cool.
00:57:15
It's been This is my third year doing it full time and and the two previous years have just a disaster.
00:57:24
Just disasters.
00:57:26
It's like you're one.
00:57:28
Jimmy comes out demands of trade right away at the beginning that that was just a tire fire burning until they fire Tibbs and Ryan comes in.
00:57:38
And, you know, it was everybody was hurt or shut down for the year.
00:57:43
And then last year was Ah, Captain, that was one of the toughest.
00:57:47
Like, I watched it from afar.
00:57:49
But I was like, God, like, if I was, however old and I was watching this every day, I think that would have that would have broken e.
00:57:58
Remember, There was There was this run where I had done 11 podcasts between Winds 11 podcast between my podcast.
00:58:09
13.
00:58:11
13, it was, uh Well, there was two.
00:58:15
There was an 11 and there was a 13.
00:58:17
That stat, man. The bad stat.
00:58:19
The indicting stat.
00:58:20
We just did Glass half full is the wolves were one in 18 and cats last 19 games.
00:58:24
He played Remember that? Not great.
00:58:27
Not great.
00:58:28
According to the great professional fan, my friend.
00:58:33
Uh, first off, thank you again for doing this.
00:58:36
I wanna let you plug away anything you have coming out.
00:58:38
Anything. You're excited for whatever.
00:58:40
Yeah.
00:58:41
I mean, you could just Twitter is always the best way.
00:58:44
Everybody always says, like, Oh, yeah, I follow me here or whatever.
00:58:47
Like Twitter is the best way to follow everybody on all their stuff.
00:58:49
It's where they put out all their things, or they should, You know, s o e don't know if I'm good at it, but definitely tweeted up.
00:58:57
So, uh, yeah, I'm at dean more MBA, um, on Twitter, and I'm covering the team independently.
00:59:03
Uh, this year I was previously a beat writer, and I'm doing it all, uh, trying to be a podcast, paving the way I'm what I'm like.
00:59:12
All right. This is sweet. Yeah.
00:59:14
No, it's been great.
00:59:15
I've got a ton of support from the Timberwolves Crazies out there.
00:59:20
I you know, like they stuck with it.
00:59:22
So they're dedicated.
00:59:24
They love this in the weeds type of conversation.
00:59:26
And I love doing it.
00:59:27
So, um so, yeah, you can You can follow all my stuff.
00:59:30
I do there at the Dane.
00:59:31
More MBA podcast, which is doesn't sound like a temples podcast, which everybody tells me all the time.
00:59:36
I know, but it's a Tim Rules podcast Have a patron as well.
00:59:40
So do that.
00:59:41
If you enjoyed this conversation, go check this out.
00:59:43
Go check out David Patryan and be if you have the means.
00:59:48
Go ahead. You great.
00:59:50
Everybody's been Everybody's been so like I don't It's funny.
00:59:53
I don't You don't I don't expect people.
00:59:56
There's like, No, I wouldn't pay money for every podcast.
00:59:58
You know, I don't expect people to like it's gotta be your favorite podcast.
01:00:01
If my podcast, it's not your favorite podcast don't pay for it.
01:00:04
That's what I tell people.
01:00:05
But if you care about, it's the reason I can continue to do it is by people paying.
01:00:10
So your favorite video and then, you know, you get your That s why I gotta prove it bad.
01:00:16
I gotta I'm gonna have to do another 11 podcast drug A losing streak.
01:00:20
I'll be there. I'll do it. I'll do it.
01:00:22
So, my friend, Thank you for having me.
01:00:23
Thank you. Thank you for doing this.
01:00:25
And I helped.
01:00:26
I'm sure I'll talk to you. Something like that. Yeah.
01:00:44
Yes.
01:01:23
Yeah.

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