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To prepare for this upcoming Toronto Raptors season, Matt links up with the one and only Katie Heindl to discuss Toronto's transitionary year as the team enters the Giannis sweepstakes. They also discuss their favorite NBA bubble moments, OG Anunoby's growth, and Kyle Lowry's irreplaceable value to Toronto.

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you're listening to basketball and bore a SportsCastr featured podcast with your host Matt Brooks.
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Experts from across the globe sit down with Matt to talk all things MBA from news and rumors to gain breakdowns and ****ysis, tune into the live stream twice a week on SportsCastr and be part of the conversation.
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But first buckle in for today's edition of basketball and more.
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Welcome everybody back to basketball more with your host, Matt Brooks.
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This is, of course, a SportsCastr official broadcast.
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I apologize.
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I am frazzled today for media day.
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We've got a whole week of this.
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I am joined by Katie handle.
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Katie.
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How you doing today? I'm good.
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I'm good.
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Not as frazzled as you.
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I only had one, uh, media like one media spot today.
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I'm jealous.
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Yeah, it was.
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It was a nice long session today way had a lot of questions.
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A lot of Nash questions today.
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So that was fun, too.
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I mean, he's he's taking a lot of questions so far in this.
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It was a lot today.
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Was he? What was he wearing? He was he was like, a team outfit.
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Or was he in, like, something more like loungewear.
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Yeah, he's, um he's always kind of in that.
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So he's got a great tick talk account.
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I don't know if you know, but I don't know way might need toe like stop this show right now and thank you.
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Go check out his his his TIC Tac account.
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I believe it's his daughter who runs it.
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I don't know. I'm not.
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I'm not on talking off, but, yeah, that's that's the thing.
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So he's always in and he's the guy he's like, You know, he's got the classic like soccer player background, where he's always in some sort of athletic gear.
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Like I was a soccer player growing up.
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So I know kind of what? How that works.
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In the soccer player world, you're always kind of geared up in in some sort of sweats or whatever.
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Athletic socks, Nike elite socks.
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So he's kind of got that look to him.
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So he was in that today nonetheless s, um So you have day one.
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You had Bobby Webster, right? Did you have anything interesting that stuck out, or was it kind of just We talked about this a little bit, but was there anything that you thought stuck out that was gonna be interesting about this year.
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Um, I mean, what's interesting? I guess just from a more like a, um, atmospheric was the Tampa was like New Tampa media kind of being on the call.
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And like, as we said before, we started recording, just like our kind of new Tampa beat writers on the scene.
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But I feel like that's kind of nice because it's like nobody else has any idea of, like what the look or feel is down there.
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Um, otherwise, I mean, I was most curious, like Thio here.
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If there would be any response or further discussion about the Terrance Davis situation, Bobby Webster did address it, and he kind of addressed it in a pretty way that I kind of anticipated that he would.
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But I do think it's good to have him keep talking about it.
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You know what I mean? From A from it, Not just on accountability perspective, but just like it shouldn't be something that just goes away.
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Um, but he was happy to get that I think out of the way as quick as he could on then, mostly just chatting him out like how it's even gonna work with workouts and like it in a team practicing.
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It's not like a lot of more.
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There were a lot of just like administrative questions to that degree, I suppose.
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Yeah, I mean, are they So they've all kind of what they what's their set up down in Tampa, like, What s so far? I think right now everybody's at a hotel for the most.
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Art was my was my sense of it from that call.
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They'll probably be there for a little while, like a few weeks while they figure out housing.
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Because, I mean, you gotta figure like for a lot of these guys, they didn't really get the word that this was happening until ah week ago, like probably about a week ago for some of them.
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So even if there had been, like, just internal discussion, like, you know, Okay, it's looking like 80%.
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We're going to Tampa now.
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It's looking a little bit more like removing Tampa.
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It's still not like they were ready to move, so I think they've got a sort all that out, just like living situations for themselves.
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Yeah, I mean, that's like the big thing like there are a couple of guys that have just joined the Nets and they they already were like they were laughing about how like hard it is to try to move in whatever two weeks, you know, and this is like one or two guys like you have like a full team moving to Tampa right now.
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So it's like the logistics of that are confounding to me. I just I don't know.
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It's gotta be a weird situation.
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Um did did he kind of indicate that the move's been going well, or did it seem like it's gonna like hinder anything for them? Um, it seemed like it was fine.
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I think my first impression was like when they had him set up.
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They had the backdrop.
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Like when they finally got the connection.
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It was like the Raptors step and repeat backdrop.
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But then the pan was so wide on the zoom that it was like a hotel empty hotel ballroom on.
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Bobby was just sitting there like waiting and then the first, So I'm behind the camera like gradually, Pandit, smaller and smaller.
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I love that kind of static, actually e like those moments.
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It's like That's a reminder of how weird.
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Yeah, don't pretend it's like business as usual.
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You don't have to like, there's no reason to like Clinton normalcy like that anymore.
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So, um, that was sort of the funniest part for me.
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I think I would feel weird if there were, like, really like snazzy transitions like it's like a Yeah, I wouldn't mind that actually really tried something different.
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You know, I like it.
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I'm like, I want this to be down to the elements like I really wanted to look like I want the When When Nash was done today, like you could see him just close his computer and I was like, This is great.
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I love these little poets are cold exit.
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He's out of there.
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One of the funny thing was like during it was like when? Right before the draft.
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And there was a lot of calls with their scouts and just kind of chat about logistics and how the team was kind of handling the draft this season and one of the I forget his name off the top of my head.
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But one of their like the head of their scouting he was he'd set his zoom background toe look like the Rovio Athletic Center like where they trained, but nobody has been there.
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Probably like syncing to the team left for Orlando.
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But someone did fall for it, and they were like, Oh, you're Rovio And he was like, No, it's just a joke.
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And you could tell he kind of felt bad about it because he was like, Oh, no, someone didn't get E.
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I'm actually in Vegas.
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Whoops, E.
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Yeah, man, I should start doing I'm going to start, like, doing some cool background.
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So people thought this guy is for like, living.
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I don't know what salary he's making fun.
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See the booth? Don't make mention of it.
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Yeah, yeah, maybe on the zoom calls.
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That's what I should dio.
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Okay, so I want to talk a little bit about the off season for the Raptors.
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They It's an interesting one, So they brought in a couple of guys.
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Baines is the main one.
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I really I'm just fascinated by the Raptors in terms of like there's a lot of factors at work, so I want to know if, like it was last year, them just defend, you know, defending the championship with all their might eyes.
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This gonna be something that's gonna repeat through this year.
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Their success in that way are they gonna feel the loss of having really losing their two centers.
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So I'll start with this.
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Do you think that Baines could make up a lot of the ground in terms of what they lost? No.
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And I feel bad saying that mostly, like I get bases like he's I don't wanna sound to root about this Veins is like the body they kind of need within that space.
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But I do feel like just like defensively, the kind of capabilities that he brings.
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One of the dogs is drinking water, so you're gonna have that lovely sound effect.
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I've had a bunch of dog barks and E because then I'm like, over apologize.
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It's just it's It's all good.
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It's a dog show.
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When you're recording, they always are like I'm gonna just act act up right now.
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Anyway, I think I think there's a lot more intangibles that the team lost by losing the solid Ibaka.
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I think like a sol, he can be kind of like almost like a defensive savant, like he's a little bit like Larry.
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I think in that way he can sort of just see things happening on the floor that aren't necessarily the most like, optically obvious moves.
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But just like you notice it when he's not out there, you know, like he's also he's like a tremendous communicator.
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Um, he's, like, just always like, screaming and shouting and knows exactly where people should be like it every time, like in any given moment.
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Uh, and I think Ibaka as well, like he's just someone who every year he was with the team.
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I mean, he came out of the shell a little bit, and I think, like that's amore of just like chemistry question that's gone because of just like what he was able to like bring to the team.
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But I mean, on the court he was working on, like history point shooting, like he's got like, a really, like, smooth, kind of like pick and pop like rotational thing with Kyle Ari.
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And he was just like he had more of, like, an offensive skill set that I don't necessarily know that Baines can bring to the team.
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Um, and I'd say for the Raptors like the defense is always where they sort of build their offensive energy.
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And, like I noticed that a lot on the bubble.
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It's like where they kind of got stuck.
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Ah, lot of the time with Boston in that matchup is just like they couldn't they couldn't get it together, like in the half court and like a like in transition, like they just were looking so sticky on.
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But, I mean, I don't know that, Baines.
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I think he's like, more than capable as, like, a differ a defender and, like, you know, in the perimeter and like like up against the glass and stuff.
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But I don't think he necessarily has the same kind of like extra intangibles.
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And I think the teams, the team's gonna miss those, right? Yeah, I do feel like it.
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Kind of like he's not necessarily somebody that plugs a weakness for the Raptors, and and I think you lose a lot of ground like I do.
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You think like the losing Gasol like is there? Is there defense going toe like, dramatically fall off? Just not having that back line communicator or do you kind of get the sense that they can just fill it.
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And they have so many guys like, Yeah, I think that's always where the team sort of pride themselves.
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And I think everybody kind of picks up the slack regardless of who's out there.
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Like whether, like like, you know, O.
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J No, No, B and Pascal, like they can bring a lot of defensive energy.
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Larry, I think it's someone who's just like if that's gone, he'll just step in and be the person to, like, make those calls and make sure everybody is where they need to be at all times.
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Um, but yeah, like I think this is It's a weird thing because to your point earlier, like last year, I didn't feel like even losing Kawai.
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They lost that much of their identity, and I don't think I think the way that they wanted to play was they were kind of the underdog.
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They wanted to prove a lot of people wrong, but they were.
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I think, just approaching it is like one game at a time, especially when they had so many injuries last season.
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But I think their identity was still largely intact to me.
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The loss of mark in surge is like almost more dire in a way than it was with CO I, because they're now in this little.
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I think it's like a limbo because they're hoping to attract, like, honest potentially come next offseason.
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And it's like you still want him to be able to come to a team that is good and, like the identity, also like it is a weird because that's the part I just like.
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I get what the Raptors are like.
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I understand certain like they're looking at an OBE.
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Actually, I'll ask this now.
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Do you feel like they're looking at an OBE? Is the guy who's gonna make a leap or is that they haven't really established anything like that just yet? I think so.
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I think they're looking at him like that and I also think he kind of has Thio.
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Just given the fact that you've seen that from Fred, you saw that from Pascal Onda like, I don't know we had such a crummy season the season before, like he was sidelined by injury and like tragedy and he just like, wasn't didn't get to take that leap.
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He didn't get to play in any of like that championship run.
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So I think he lost out just on a lot of, like growth as a player that he naturally would have had.
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Um, you got to see it like I loved like he was my favorite player.
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I think, in the restart, just because of, like this, like, explosive moments he had and like, have, like, weirdly like, sneaky he would like, show up to me And like, kind of stealthy And like he was like, ****k in LeBron and idea times, which was, like, really toe watch.
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But yeah, I think this season it doesn't help.
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Just like given, you know, where the team is and, like, maybe the Yeah, I don't think they're going to suffer too badly like not playing at home.
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But it's got to be disruptive, you know, already.
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And it's like a weird, like the atmosphere anywhere is going to be really weird this this season for every team.
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But he yeah, I think like he's got to take a leap in their kind of counting on him for it.
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Yeah, and it's such a tough like spot for him, like I mean, a like he just like I think he was like fourth or something along those lines in usage for the the Raptors.
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So he's got to take a major leap in that.
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But he doesn't have like, a full offseason like they just finished playing eso.
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That's like such a weird spot to be in his a young player.
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That's like going to see a dramatic role.
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Leap is like You're basically you're coming back after a month, like all right, I'm a new player.
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It's just it's really weird to me.
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But hey, has it at the same time, like I watched him.
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I'm just like there's something I don't know if you're gonna like if he's going to get there.
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I'm pretty optimistic about it, but he does have it, and sometimes that leap just happens pretty naturally.
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Mm.
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And I think like he's pretty.
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He's shown he can be pretty adaptable, like No, we're just given everything that's happened to him.
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So I don't think I think he'll take everything that's happening now in stride and that is sort of like the ethos of the team.
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Honestly, it's just like Okay, what other weird curveball is going to get thrown away like we gotta deal with it.
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You have to play basketball.
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So, like, let's do that well.
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And they also adjusted like Justus.
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Well, like yeah, sure, like moving is pretty, pretty aggressive.
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Asked for everybody, but they lost like their number one option who led them to a championship and literally did just fine.
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So I'm pretty much willing to believe anything that they're out there to do at this point.
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Um, what parts of his game would you want to see? Grow like immediately? Um, I think just like versatility wise.
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They were trying to.
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They were starting to get into some pretty interesting.
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I thought like positional like he's kind of like such an interesting stretch like position, position, less player.
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If you want to say like I know you know, we talk about that a lot, whether it's like chasing this like imaginary ideal.
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But I actually think like an N o.
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B is a type that's just with, like, his versatility, his strength like length, his versatility.
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He's like a ah, fantastic playmaker.
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His handles air like extremely tight and like he just kind of works on all these things that could make him like a very realistic position list, like 3 to 5 player and, like, size wise.
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Yeah, like you know when When you're up against, like, a huge like when you're up against like, yeah, I don't know Anthony Davis, that that would be still pretty scary for him, but I think like I'd love to see more of that.
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And I actually think that's gonna happen just because, like, Nick Nurses got a bunch more new guys that he's gonna have to figure out really quick what they can do.
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So there's gonna be a lot of, like, pretty funny and wacky lineups, and he loves doing that anyway, Um, like, that's all they did at the beginning of last season.
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So I think that will help to just sort of, like, you know, like you can kind of hit the ground running in that sense.
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E think I'd just like to see them rely on him a little bit more like there were a lot of times, especially in the playoffs, where I felt like because of his role with a team's Yeah, come, what kind of left out way too long.
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He looked a little bit lost where it's like, you know, O.
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G.
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Could have been a good substitution for him.
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Just given how quickly he can seem to be able to, like, get things together and figure things out on the flight.
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Um, any super confident and he's just, like, very quiet about it.
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You know what I mean? Like, doesn't really get rattled.
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So I think, like to me, competitively speaking like he's kind of ticks all the boxes, you know, like he's sort of the ideal player you sort of want around your team, but I don't know, like I'm trying to think of more like tangible things I would like to see, but I would just like to see more of him.
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Maybe, Yeah, I guess they could almost just be one of those situations where it's like it's just a lack of opportunity, Not necessarily like a lack of tangible quality, I guess, is what is kind of what they're looking for.
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Is there somebody else you could see kind of breaking out for them? Or is this really gonna be? You kind of knew what the established pecking order is gonna be.
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Well, like Pascal kind of needs to come back pretty strong.
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I was gonna ask.
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I'm not going to jump on like I wasn't in ever in a position.
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I was like Like maybe he didn't need to play all the minute he got, especially in the suit like that.
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The end of that Boston Syria's like it would have been fine, I think, to bench him whether or not they were worried about just like shaking his confidence or like the kind of messages it would send to him.
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I'm not sure, but I think just given how they went out, he's got to come back pretty strong.
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Um, trying to think I mean, they've got I don't know anything like E mean.
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I know about the new guys, but I'm just trying to picture all of these new players on the roster.
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I'm like where they're gonna fit and how that's gonna work.
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I mean, friend, I think like that.
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I like them bringing I do, too.
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He's very funny.
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I do, too.
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I Yeah, he's the classic glue guy that didn't have a great shooting season that I find myself gravitating toward.
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I think this is like my guilty pleasure is blue guys that sort of can shoot, it's it's really, it's becoming problematic.
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It's really problematic with the Raptors.
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Like that would be thrilling.
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Obviously, Um, who else? I mean, yeah, I was going to say like Fred, it's not that like, I just kind of at this point, expect Fred Toe have like it's a leap with him.
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It's just like steady progress, you know, like it's like progress that you can count on happening.
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It's not a stretch a reach to say that he's gonna probably have, like, the best season he's had because he's just like, continuously has the best season of his career every season.
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Yeah, I'd like to see more from like I mean, I personally would like their two way player Paul Watson Jr.
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Yeah, he's like he's amazing.
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He's just like such like he's just one of those like success stories.
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I think that the Raptors has had a lot of success with with bringing guys up from their developmental team on, like giving the minutes.
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He didn't get that much time in the regular season, but he did play a lot in the bubble, you know.
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But players like him, I just like always rooting for Thio like I don't know and he could have.
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That's the thing like he could have.
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A standout season was like how this team is looking and just like where everybody's gonna fit now.
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It's kind of the time for just like outlier guys like that just to step up.
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There's in such an interesting limbo because they are like they're obviously they're looking to swing big this next offseason, but they also they have this like, I don't know, like ability to just be calm and grow things in house.
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It's pretty interesting.
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I mean, it's it's very spur Z like it really is kind of.
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You just know you're gonna be around because of the pedigree that you have.
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But I don't know if I was a young player.
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That's where I would want to go and be like, Put me in Toronto.
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Toronto is an awesome city, by the way.
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I like I love Toronto every time I go there.
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So, um so I mean, there you go.
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That's my missions, right? Um, do you think so? What do you think of like, Do you think Kyle Lowry will be like moved in the next couple of years? Or do you do you just think he's gonna continue to be like the bedrock of what the Raptors air about.
00:19:42
I mean, I hope not like something to think about that.
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Yeah, I think he should retire with the team, but obviously, like the thing the like, depressing and thing that scared me most this season was looking at every team in the in the like, short off season and how many of them could like be so much better if they just added Kyle Lowry like, honestly, the Clippers just keep trying to poach players from the Raptors, But they seem to not understand that they need Kyle Lowry to, like, make it all work He could.
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He could fix the Sixers.
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Hey, be like such a He would be like such an asset to the Lakers like I don't know the Celtics like the Nets like any, honestly, any team.
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I'm not going to disagree with you.
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There s so it's not like there isn't a market for him and, like teams know that, and players know that.
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I think it's just like he's still discounted a lot by fans or maybe media, because he's not as like flashy of a player, but like I think any team would wanna have them, especially it's like a veteran presence.
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I don't want that to happen.
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I want the Raptors to keep them, especially with the fact that they just, like, signed fundamentally to this contract.
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He even said, like before, you know, when they were still speculation on whether or not he would stay, Um that, like his ideal situation, was basically like growing into the leadership role, kind of like as Larry left, which I think is like a very natural transition and what's happening already, like that's what's been kind of happening all along.
00:21:11
So if they could continue on that pace, and if that's like what Larry wants, then I would personally love that.
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Just like, what does Larry one, yeah, wrenchingly happy with like anything he decides.
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I would assume that's probably a pretty good indication, though, is that his name hasn't come up like you really look it like it's like the Chris Paul market was robust and like for good reason.
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He's like just a guy that is a star but brings intangibles.
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But it's like you could just like there's a younger version him on the market or or on another team right now.
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Like if you're worried about the age curb.
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So that's gotta be a good sign for Toronto, I'd assume.
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And I also think he'd be huge for, like, the recruitment part of this of the honest thing.
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Yeah, I was gonna say, like with just with, like the way that Milwaukee's kind of stalled out and you can see like, why that's happened.
00:22:03
Um, just in the last two playoffs, I think if you're trying to sell him on Toronto, a huge part of that, yeah, he's gonna be Lowry.
00:22:10
And it's like, Look what this crazy man can dio can like with it, like with any anything that's handed to him, like he will cobble it together into just like something that doesn't just work but, you know, excels e from my end.
00:22:24
Like seeing Rondae.
00:22:25
Just do what you did and find himself was like, amazing, because it was like the way Rondae left Brooklyn was It was just like it was sad because I knew you'd.
00:22:36
He's a good player.
00:22:37
He's a good player, actually going to be really good for Minnesota like he's almost exactly what they need.
00:22:42
Um, but it was just like that was one of those moments where, like, God, nurses so good like this is it was sitting right there like this is what the role he was supposed to be in.
00:22:51
So, um, what is so what's the Let's say Yanis.
00:22:56
You know, he he comes back to Milwaukee or does something else.
00:22:59
What's the fallback plan? Do you feel like I honestly don't know? And it's like a weird It's a weird position to be in because it's, I think, like, generally the franchise under your jury, Excuse me, has been one of, like, being several steps ahead of itself.
00:23:15
You got there and sort of like, put things in motion.
00:23:18
Um, so it's strange, you know, to see them.
00:23:21
It's only they haven't made big moves before.
00:23:23
Like obviously going for co.
00:23:24
I was like, huge, you know, and they banked on it and I panned out and at work, but like it makes me very uncomfortable as like a Raptor fan, first and foremost and then, like, you know, just to see them kind of like bet everything on the honest his arrival.
00:23:40
I mean, I know I shouldn't question myself.
00:23:42
So you Jerry has told us not to do that a lot.
00:23:46
Believe in yourself already, and I have, like such a complex about it, But it is.
00:23:51
It's it's strange to just see them go after one option.
00:23:54
I believe that they can do it because I I want to see that.
00:23:56
And I feel like they that's what they've been working towards.
00:24:00
But if they don't, I think they can kind of they have to go into a little bit more of a substantial rebuild than I think they've been just putting off for the last few years.
00:24:09
Like I don't think I think now, especially that becomes a little bit more clear.
00:24:14
If they couldn't run it back with Mark and Serge, you know, like I really honestly don't think the team expected to lose both of them, so that sort of speeds things up just because they've become such formative pieces and like the shape of the team and like where it could go and what it would do next.
00:24:31
But now you're kind of looking at a lot of one and two year contracts that are gonna be up renewal, like around the same time.
00:24:38
So if you don't let me honest, like, who do you get, like, try and like that, the farm on, like, a secondary option? Or do you Are you just like, Okay, we're gonna, like, slowly trying to establish ourselves and just, like, be contenders and, like, be a good solid when record team? Well, it's curious.
00:24:57
Like I wonder if they turn their attention to another like star.
00:25:02
Like, do you think they would be like, Okay, we're gonna be, you know, like you saw Miami had a report today.
00:25:06
I think just about like, their thing about turning their attention to, you know, Brad Beal.
00:25:10
Like, do you think they do that, or would they just say, You know what? We're just gonna sort of because I worry with the Raptors a little bit.
00:25:15
They almost have too many good players toe fully, like, you know, even get with lottery.
00:25:20
Like I just don't know if they could do that.
00:25:21
The East is regularly can range from incompetent to just not great overall.
00:25:29
Eso I'd be so curious about that again.
00:25:31
The limbo you mentioned.
00:25:33
I don't want to see them forfeit like the present right like run for the future and like future, like future successes because I don't think that's like very substantive and like, I think you're looking at guys like Pascal, Fred O G.
00:25:49
Like it obviously stunts their growth tremendously.
00:25:52
If they're just like if they go from a team that's like a competitive to a team, that's kind of just like loitering, like in the middle of like the rankings.
00:25:59
You know, Andi, for someone like flattery, I think it would be a lot easier for him to like look at the field and say like, You know what? I'm going to go somewhere else, Um so, like, it's It's definitely a possibility.
00:26:10
I think that's what happens when it's like you want.
00:26:12
You just want one player and you're working towards that like singular goal.
00:26:16
I can't see them like if someone is available, Sure, but I can't see them kind of like all of this, like all of these moves have been like careful, very carefully considered to get you honest.
00:26:30
E didn't know there were this many, like I'm now learning kind of through this, like I didn't realize there was this much planning e franchise like they They are very usually quiet and self assured, which I found like to me when I talk about them in limbo of part of that is like, yeah, we're physically they're gonna be But I think it's also like a little bit of this free.
00:26:52
I just got them by surprise, and it's strange to see them in a position like that.
00:26:56
Like the team.
00:26:57
Um, I don't I don't mean like they're a mess, like they're falling apart, but it's just like it's a little bit of like Alright, we gotta maybe retrace our steps and and figure out what's next.
00:27:06
And like, I think they're gonna have a great season.
00:27:08
They're gonna hang around.
00:27:10
But yeah, it's weird the next, like three years or a lot harder to track them like just this one.
00:27:17
We can all boil it down to Jeremy Grant because Jeremy Grant leaves Denver and then Denver panics.
00:27:24
Denver gets to Michael Green thumb the Clippers.
00:27:27
Oh, no, we've lost trees.
00:27:28
Harold and John Michael Green.
00:27:30
And then they go for Ibaka until I'm living.
00:27:32
I've done the whole dartboard because I mean, I also went through the Ibaka thing on this side of the world. Yeah.
00:27:38
You're like the Nets.
00:27:39
We're gonna get him. I did.
00:27:41
I like based on the little bit that I heard. I was like, Okay.
00:27:46
I mean, this is cool.
00:27:47
There's gonna be a cool block.
00:27:48
I don't know what that means for Jared Allen, but, um, this is gonna be interesting.
00:27:53
I love Jared.
00:27:54
He would be an awesome rafter.
00:27:56
You would love Jared Allen.
00:27:57
He was He would be amazing.
00:27:59
Don't get my hopes up that Z That's like my one of my purest wishes.
00:28:05
Yeah, he's I know.
00:28:06
There it was like there was at the very beginning of the year like that.
00:28:11
The surgeon block in Brooklyn thing was thrown out, like, 12 months ago.
00:28:14
So, um, people were sort of figuring out because, you know, it's on Twitter.
00:28:19
People are just sitting there using the trade machine, figuring out trades to do sign and trades for Ibaka and Jared Allen.
00:28:24
I was like, Honestly, I don't know.
00:28:26
It would be kind of tough to let shared go to the Raptors because, you know, we'd be amazing there.
00:28:31
He'd be hitting threes all of a sudden, be guarding the perimeter eso we've mentioned the standings a couple of times.
00:28:38
Where do you see them finishing, like, kind of love.
00:28:43
These, like predicted.
00:28:44
I just, like, always.
00:28:45
Like, I don't know, like, second again, Like third, Honestly, like but like, But then I look at the team and I'm like, how is that gonna be possible? But I don't actually like the East is not like, I think the Nets are going to be very good, but they do have to figure a lot of things out very quickly.
00:29:03
A figure out they don't want to figure out.
00:29:07
It's super weird.
00:29:08
It is super weird.
00:29:09
Guards pas ****ley weird, like the rosters.
00:29:13
Weird.
00:29:14
But there I don't I guess I just like after what happened with the Clippers this season, I don't believe it's just like all right, you you stack a bunch of superstars and you're gonna inevitably be incredible.
00:29:24
They could be, but it doesn't, like freaked me out as much.
00:29:28
I think like Milwaukee.
00:29:30
God, like marginally better the Sixers.
00:29:32
I'm more like I think are gonna be hanging around way more than they were last season on Like the Celtics.
00:29:40
I does it rude to be like, I don't know that.
00:29:42
I think the team is any different without coordinating work like I don't think e they're kind of the same e I.
00:29:52
I think they'll miss like parts of his game, but it's not like like, so weirdly like.
00:29:57
I think the Brad Wanamaker to Jeff Teague is like That's like That's a downgrade to me.
00:30:03
I think Tristan Thompson is like, That's a nice ad, but it's not like pushing you over the top on down.
00:30:08
They have like Kemba, who's is he healthy is Yeah, it's there.
00:30:13
Really, Mr James, that is very mysterious or no, but I don't mean to stall.
00:30:18
I feel like the third or fourth.
00:30:19
How about that? I've changed my standings like nine.
00:30:22
I've done this.
00:30:23
I have a morning show and I've probably, like, changed my life because I there's Don't listen to me anymore on this, So I'm not gonna listen.
00:30:30
My changes every day.
00:30:33
Well, the other word thing is like the Covad thing like it was, I don't know if you guys had this question a lot today, but ah, lot of people asked about, like, cove it.
00:30:40
And what's the response gonna be and and how do you adjust to that and I'm like, because which is good, because that question needs to be asked because I think this plan right now that's Thea.
00:30:49
Underlying thing is that we're working under a world where nobody has positive tests.
00:30:55
So I'm pretty fascinated by that, and we'll see.
00:31:00
Yeah, no one, no one act like I'm trying to think No one asked out, right? What I'm curious about is whether or not they're gonna let teams watch them in Tampa, which might be strange for the team.
00:31:12
Just because MLS see, the ownership group is so stringently like, has taken such a firm stance, you know, And like, if they do also, if they want the team to come back to Toronto at some point this season, I feel like things like that, like they're gonna have to signal almost to like the federal government.
00:31:32
And like people watching that like they're not going to be reckless.
00:31:36
They're kind of holding the same stipulations they would if they were playing here, because if they were playing in Toronto, fans would not be allowed to the game because just like that's where regulation and like laws currently sit here so they wouldn't be able to do it on Ben.
00:31:51
I don't know, like, you know, not to knock on Florida mess and I don't e don't think like they would.
00:31:59
Should feel comfortable with fans like filling in arena there to catch them.
00:32:05
Um, you know, that is weird.
00:32:07
I there's this is the stuff that I don't like.
00:32:11
We were just kind of like Here's the season and here's media week and it's like, Wait, hold on.
00:32:15
I haven't even thought about the idea that some teams of fans other teams don't.
00:32:19
It's just it's a lot.
00:32:20
I haven't even digested the most important part, which is like the Phantom, too.
00:32:24
E no, but didn't like to.
00:32:27
Warriors like two players on the Warriors tested positive.
00:32:30
So already they're like, Well, I guess our like our camp delayed like that.
00:32:34
I think all along I've just been like this is gonna happen is I thought that's why they push the start up to December to account for potential days between games where they were gonna have to delay because, like, players inevitably are going to test positive because, like, every state is different regulations.
00:32:51
So I mean, not toe wish the worst on it.
00:32:54
It just seems like it's not just something that's gonna happen, you know? I mean, it's e don't know.
00:33:00
Its's gonna be it za weird, weird, weird situation that I don't think I don't know.
00:33:06
I guess we're figuring out as we go, I don't know.
00:33:10
So you are in.
00:33:11
I should have mentioned that you are just amazing storyteller, like one of my favorite writers to read, period.
00:33:18
Already gushed about your your None Siri's, which was like the one of the few things in In in the lock Down that we had here that, like, gave me genuine joy.
00:33:27
So as a great storyteller, what's the like, the biggest like Are there certain stories that you're already looking for this year? There's certain ideas that are already tantalizing to you.
00:33:40
I mean, kind of like the possibility of the season happening like as we just touched like that is still just like I'm just like I guess people have for gotten about that story.
00:33:52
I sort of wonder about that.
00:33:53
I think like what I noticed in the bubble, like with media and the bubble and what media is probably gonna have to continue to look like was just like the lack of face to face interaction between media and players and how it would kind of spin questions and responses and just like it got a little bit weird.
00:34:12
I think like it was kind of exhaustive two players and media like by the end of it.
00:34:16
So, like psychologically, I'm kind of curious as to what the lingering effects of like that is going to be this season.
00:34:23
Um, like, I mean, that's more of like a like That's, like nothing to do with the narrative of the leak League League wise, Big wise.
00:34:33
I mean, the Warriors Air Fairy.
00:34:35
I wanted to write something about, like, plays triumphant return after just like you had, like, the happiest past year.
00:34:43
And like summer, like Clay Thompson was so happy he was just like driving.
00:34:49
He wasn't even thinking about basketball.
00:34:51
I feel like Andi.
00:34:52
I was like more power to this guy, you know? And I really wanted to just write about, like him coming back and the Warriors, now all of a sudden being like a very likable root for a ball team, like they're not evil anymore.
00:35:03
Nobody hates them, you know, like, there they're coming back.
00:35:05
So I guess it still exists without clay, but not a strong, so less interested in that they're in their fun in different ways.
00:35:15
Like there.
00:35:16
Another team.
00:35:17
I'm like, I have no idea what you guys are gonna be like this year. It's funny.
00:35:19
The two teams in the finals, like, two seasons ago.
00:35:22
Um, um, I'm kind of like are the Rockets just like a miniature team now? Because, well, everyone else, like, loaded up on size.
00:35:30
They were just like, you don't need it.
00:35:32
We still don't need it.
00:35:33
So that's confusing.
00:35:35
Kind of like the Christian would add.
00:35:36
So their their team, like, there's a couple of teams that are really interesting to me.
00:35:40
Like the Hawks are really interesting to me because I'm just like, there's so many.
00:35:45
Like you guys went from no shooting to so much shooting now, like, how is this gonna work? It's gonna be a fun season.
00:35:51
Yeah, I think so.
00:35:54
I mean, I think I'm really curious to see how stand does with the pelicans.
00:35:57
Like, I think that team is gonna be also, like, so much fun.
00:36:00
Um, I really love Xavier Tillman.
00:36:02
I kind of wanted the Raptors to draft him.
00:36:04
They did not, But I think he like wait.
00:36:06
Sorry.
00:36:07
He he's on the Grizzlies.
00:36:09
Yeah, he's only Grizzlies.
00:36:10
My bad.
00:36:11
Um, but I'm also excited to see the Grizzlies.
00:36:14
Super fun team, I think Portland it's gonna be like, I think Portland learned some hard lessons, Like in the playoffs.
00:36:21
I don't think they want to repeat.
00:36:22
Um, so I think a lot of just like teams that you saw shine like the sun is obviously, you know, um, yeah, like just a lot of teams that you saw, like, almost get there.
00:36:31
There's gonna be so many so many more teams that do that this season.
00:36:35
So it's not just like, you know, your juggernauts.
00:36:37
It's kind of like it is a little bit more money.
00:36:40
Yeah, I wanted to stay that way.
00:36:41
Like I really that's I like it.
00:36:43
It's not no more player movement. Great.
00:36:47
Yeah.
00:36:48
We make such a fuss about, like, charity.
00:36:50
Yeah, I'm like, whether parodies possible now weirdly accidentally like it isn't happening on.
00:36:56
It's great.
00:36:57
I'm like, I want This is so nice.
00:36:59
I don't even know who the big bad.
00:37:01
I guess it's the Lakers this year, but you never know.
00:37:03
I mean, it's fun.
00:37:05
No, you never know.
00:37:06
What was your favorite quote from last year? This is this e anybody last year, NBA awas e mean kind of everything.
00:37:18
Jimmy Butler, who said, Uh, period there certainly.
00:37:22
Like in the restart? Um, I it doesn't quote is more of just like the like kind of the story line around it.
00:37:29
But like Gordon, I never was a fan of, like, Gordon.
00:37:32
Drag it.
00:37:33
I always thought, because he always gave, like Toronto such a hard time, like he was kind of like a little bit of people player.
00:37:38
And then I got a lot of flak from Heat fans that are like He's so nice, like he's never evil, almost like, Well, he's been even us.
00:37:45
But when he became extremely likable in the bubble because of like trying to pay for coffee and when he couldn't pay for coffee and then like, you know, diddly butler spot of him and then he started wearing all the big face coffee here.
00:37:58
But I'm trying to think of like an actual quote blanking, but I think that's like That's like a pandemic like intro break like Media.
00:38:08
What's your favorite? What's your favorite quote? See, this is where you maybe this will jog my memory.
00:38:14
It wasn't expecting that.
00:38:16
Well, because I only have a memory of one day.
00:38:19
I was telling you a little bit about this today.
00:38:21
Um, somebody asked about some basketball question and Steve Nash today went he instead of like answering the question, I think he said something about, like, philosophically and got way deep into it.
00:38:32
And I was just like, Oh, this is I love this.
00:38:35
This Nets team is the philosophical team.
00:38:38
So that was that was gonna be on my mind for a little while. The philosophical.
00:38:41
It was a good answer to like he wasn't wrong about it all.
00:38:45
But I was like, Oh, this team's gonna click so much because this that is like, That's That's screams, Kyrie.
00:38:51
It just it's s o.
00:38:52
That would be my answer right now, but I also have the memory of you know of goldfish.
00:38:58
So especially this e So you know it.
00:39:02
I'll have a different one tomorrow.
00:39:05
Well, when Hassan Whiteside a lot of mine, I guess around the bubble, but a song Whiteside, I guess, discovered the song Jessie's Girl by Rick Springfield in the Bubble.
00:39:13
And there was quite a few videos that he took himself of him like going on the hotel hallways screaming, singing song.
00:39:22
But he would get it wrong, like he just always wanted to land on the chorus.
00:39:25
So, like he would really mess up the versus.
00:39:27
He's screams hanging off his balcony.
00:39:30
I really like that.
00:39:31
I don't know if that counts as a quote is like a song lyric, but it's a great time.
00:39:35
No, like random tidbits to this could be anything thistles, just It's a very open ended.
00:39:39
Okay, let me let me leave you with this.
00:39:46
So what's the player like, if there's one player you mentioned, Paul Watson Jr.
00:39:51
What's the player in the Raptors that you find yourself just internally? Really, really, really, really rooting for this year? Mm.
00:39:59
Um, it's probably, I don't know, be like, yeah, like, I can't really underscored enough like just what he like, what he was doing in the bubble.
00:40:08
And like all the times, he kind of popped up like he really to me represents something the Raptors don't have, which is like the Raptors are like very pesky, annoying, like persistent like there's never a time typically where you don't know where they are because they just like they make it.
00:40:22
No, but like O G.
00:40:24
Was like this, almost like the stealthy kind of sneaky presence.
00:40:28
And it's just like he's like a player that, like Prada, typically the Raptors do not have.
00:40:32
They've never really been like that or like played like that as as a team.
00:40:37
So there's that element to it because it's just like, wow, like, you know, when you sit back and you're just like, I've not actually seen this before with this team and I can see how it fits.
00:40:46
So given that, like those kind of birth of it that you got to see in the restart and then just what we were talking about earlier of like is kind of great leap that he has to take this year.
00:40:56
And I think the expectation on him to take that because that's the thing, too.
00:40:59
I think a lot of whether it's like expectation or pressure wasn't necessarily placed on him.
00:41:05
I think the team wanted him to find his feet pretty naturally, but I think it would be good for him to, like, same with Pascal but, like toe have some pressure placed on them, you know, And just to say, like, you know, you're the core of this team now, essentially so right.
00:41:18
It's so crazy that they've had this where they just have these guys that, like, rise from the wings.
00:41:24
Now twice.
00:41:25
We'll see.
00:41:26
Like I'm really optimistic about O g.
00:41:27
I think it's gonna happen.
00:41:29
Um, maybe not this year, but because again there's a lot of things up in the air with this year.
00:41:33
I do think it's gonna happen, but just have two guys just grow and just see a huge jump in usage or roll or whatever buzzword you want to use and potentially just take off with it is it's cool. It's cool.
00:41:46
It's really hard to do now.
00:41:49
So the whole team is, like, so easy to root for, like Chris Boucher, Norman Powell, like these air, just guys that you're like, I just want to see you succeed and thrive consistently.
00:41:59
You know, like you've all had your bursts and like you're shining moments.
00:42:02
But like I just want to see you make it look easy for yourselves, you know? Yeah, I totally agree.
00:42:07
I mean, it'll be a fun year, and I'm curious.
00:42:10
I'm curious.
00:42:11
See if they're if they're at the top of the standings, if they're at the bottom, are they getting Yanis? It's just They're they're stealthy.
00:42:17
It's fitting.
00:42:18
They have o g n a Nova.
00:42:19
They're very stealthy team right now.
00:42:21
E wanna let you plug away anything you have coming out? Anything you're excited for, You obviously have a lot of bylines.
00:42:27
C e o.
00:42:31
I have, like, a few bigger stories that kind of in the works that I've just been You know, I'm sure it's been tough to get a hold of people well, with just, like, truncated off season.
00:42:40
You know, players wanted to go on vacation.
00:42:42
Nobody really wanted to talk to you.
00:42:44
Now they have to talk to us again, eh? So there's, like, a few stories that I had a development that are now that will be, like, slowly kind of coming out because, you know, if his last interviews have been locked in, one is actually on that psychological effects.
00:42:58
Kind of like media and like virtual communication with players and talked to a couple psychologists for that A swells League people.
00:43:06
So I'm pretty excited toe like get that done and get that out there.
00:43:11
Um, but I think right now, like I just wrote a pretty, like, tough thing for me to write.
00:43:16
But it was on the Terrance Davis allegations.
00:43:20
So that's on my newsletter basketball feelings.
00:43:22
I'm really happy and kind of like taking it back with, like the, you know, pick up and support that it's gotten in the last 48 hours.
00:43:32
Just given it is just like it's a difficult thing to talk about is a difficult thing, I think, for people to wrap their heads around.
00:43:37
Um, but I guess I'll push that.
00:43:40
No, that's Yeah, amazing story.
00:43:42
Thank you for writing it first off, like that stuff needs to be discussed.
00:43:45
More like we had a similar thing in in Brooklyn last year.
00:43:48
So I think that stuff is really important to, like, talk about and yeah, I just again huge fan of your work and I'm excited for excited for the upcoming story.
00:43:58
And I'm really happy that e even.
00:44:00
You know, I'm happy that you just push the story that you that you just put out because it is really important to talk about.
00:44:05
Well, I'm gonna let you go, but thank you so much for joining me.
00:44:08
And I hope you do this.
00:44:09
Thanks so much for having me.
00:44:10
This was a lot of fun.
00:44:11
Yeah, Yes, yeah, really?

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EP 24: Recapping the 2020 NBA Draft w/ Corey Tulaba AKA Hardwood Herald
EP 23: The 2020 NBA Draft Class w/ Corey Tulaba AKA Hardwood Herald
EP 22: The New Era of Indiana Pacers Basketball w/ Caitlin Cooper of Indy Cornrows

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