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Matt connects with Sam Esfandiari of the Light Years Podcast to discuss how Golden State stacks up against the rest of the west, the Warriors' stylistic makeover, and the team's biggest surprises to look out for in the upcoming 2020-2021 season.

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you're listening to basketball and bar a SportsCastr featured podcast with your host Matt Brooks.
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Experts from across the globe sit down with Matt to talk all things MBA from news and rumors to gain breakdowns and ****ysis, tune into the live stream twice a week on SportsCastr and be part of the conversation.
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But first buckle in for today's edition of basketball and more Welcome, everybody back to basketball and more, which is a SportsCastr official podcast.
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This is, of course, your host, Matt Brooks.
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I am joined by Sam Esfandiari of the light years podcast. Sam.
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How you doing, my friend? I'm good hanging in here on Ah, holiday weekend.
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How about you? Yeah, I'm good, man.
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I'm shaking off the, you know, the Thanksgiving meal, the drinks, everything else.
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We'll just sweating it out.
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So we're feeling great over here pretty hot right now.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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If I feel like I just got just got done with the turkey coma toast.
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And now I'm like, like a new man and ready Thio.
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Let's get into it.
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Yeah, just in time.
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I mean, you at least have a little bit of a better.
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She was like 5 p.
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m.
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here. So for me to be like, hey, I'm ready to get after it this day.
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It is young.
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Yeah, it's like, not a great start.
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Um, so your team, the Golden State Warriors, have been really interesting.
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Like I'm fascinated by them.
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I find them so high variance.
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I think in a lot of ways, um, they're very different from previous generations of the Warriors.
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You've talked about that quite a bit on your own podcasts, and I just I find them fascinating.
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But before we even get into it, I feel like in the n b A.
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It's people like to just move on, move past stories, and the clay thing is really upsetting.
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We don't need to belabor over that.
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But I do want to ask you, like, what's your favorite clay story so we can start it off on a high note here? Let's see.
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Favorite Well, favorite claim moment.
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Claim moments are always gonna be kind of the big game six clay moments.
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Okay, See, is inevitably the most famous one.
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I think that's probably warrior fans.
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Favorite game of the entire five year run.
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It's really hard to think of a game that have higher stakes.
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Well, you know, losing games.
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Some of the finals, but higher stakes in which they came out on the winning side.
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Um, that would be one otherwise man.
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I think the best part of Clay is like he's one of them or unintentionally hilarious people you will ever see.
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Like there was the press conference when they lost.
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I think Game four against.
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Okay, see where he's like, O C? We got Ah, 40 rebounds.
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Oh, wait, that's the other team.
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Oh, jeez, we did terrible like like in real time.
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Like watching him, like, go through stuff like that or like just watching.
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He's got like, a deadpan humor to him, and I still can't tell if it's deadpan by design, or he's just kind of unintentionally like aloof.
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And it's hilarious from the outside.
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Either way, like that just kind of comedic relief mixed with kind of having, you know, ice in his veins in terms of big games and kind of always seem to come through in those moments is sorely missed.
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The China junk.
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The dunk video is like That's every time I think of Clay Top.
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So I think of that.
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I'm just like this is the most authentic human being out there that I don't know. That's so great.
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Speak.
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Do you know any guys would try to get that removed? I mean, LeBron tried to get the video of him getting dunked on.
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Like I think he sent.
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Like the FBI after that video.
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Likely doesn't care. It's awesome.
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Jordan Crawford video Younger, the younger.
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The younger listeners might not know about that one for just eight years at this point, right? I just age myself has been, what, two minutes into this and I'm already been myself look old. So there we go.
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Um So, look, you guys had a interesting free agency offseason, period.
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What was your favorite move that they made? Because I think that you could go a couple of different ways, but I'm curious to hear what you have to think.
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The Kelly Oubre remove S o.
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Obviously, Um, the clay news was demoralizing.
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Devastating to the team and the fan base.
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Everyone was super excited to see what the warriors would do.
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You get the original core three back.
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They have a couple exceptions.
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They have the number two pick.
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There was this belief that they would really be contending this year.
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Um, and in my mind, they had an opportunity to put together kind of a strength in numbers type of roster, like they were very unlikely to make some sort of superstar move.
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Or they traded the number two pick and Wiggins for, you know, Joel Embiid or something ridiculous like that.
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I thought it was more likely there were gonna be able to get 3 to 4 solid upside vets who gave them depth.
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They really didn't have during the Katie era.
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Obviously you can if you could sign a player of Katie's caliber you doing at all times.
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But for the warriors over the course of the three years that Katie was there, uh, mixed in with Iguodala and Livingston Just getting older.
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Um, you know, by that last finals, Uh, I mean, I don't need to go through the names of the guys who were playing.
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Most of them aren't in the league.
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Just that kind of sums it up, you know? Jonah, stir ebc O Quinn Cook.
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Alfonzo mckinney.
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Um, there was a real depletion there, so I was super excited to see what they did there.
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Um they lose clay.
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That sucks.
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But seeing them immediately pivot to someone like Kelly you Bray, who's only 24.
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He fits their defensive identity in terms of ill set, long, hyper athletic wing, and he's gotten better every year.
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He's not gonna be the pastor or playmaker that warrior fans are used to with Kevin Durant, Iguodala Livingston and kind of, you know, the long range players had in the past.
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But he could potentially be, ah, high level defender for them and just a huge injection of athleticism, which, if you watch them last year, they were lacking athleticism, right? At least I'm curious about him.
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And, like Wiggins and all these guys like I don't know, do you think it effects like their system? Are they going to run like a real motion offense with these guys or because that's a lot of like That's a lot of high level read and react.
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I think a lot of that plays into that of the guys they had before, so the short answer is no.
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There's no way they're going to run anything.
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E mean they may run the basic tenants of the offense that they that we've kind of grown accustomed to seeing them run.
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But you're just you're not asking Kelly, you brother, Andrew Wiggins, to be Kevin Durant or Andre Goodall in terms of making incredibly high level decisions.
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I doubt we'll see kind of those, like 67 pass in a row to find the shooter relocating plays that kind of made the Warriors famous.
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Um, but I do think they have an opportunity to defensively resemble the teams of the past where they're really long and they create a ton of turnovers.
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Beyond DuBray, you get someone like base more long.
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Defender definitely creates turnovers.
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Wanamaker Steam thing James Wiseman is just a rookie, but he has outlier, athleticism and length, so he can also be a player who blocked shots and helps him get out and run.
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The one thing I've noticed, even with the clay injury coming like right on the cusp of the season starting, there's way more optimism, Um, coming from Steve Kerr than there was last year.
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Hey, seems very excited to kind of create a defensive identity kind of cause turnovers and run with this team in a way that I don't think I don't think he liked last year's roster, even when you take away the expectations of finals, which we're never going to be there with claimants in the season, I don't think he was a huge fan of D'Angelo, Russell, Willie Cauley, Stein Generally zero wings on the roster, like Alec Berks and Glenn Robinson, the third or fine players.
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But I don't know that there necessarily Defensive Wings E.
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I don't think he liked the roster construct.
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Construct this roster he's looking at.
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I mean, I don't think he's foolish enough to think that, you know he can recreate the wheel with this, but at least it it fits the type of players he likes from a defensive standpoint and has an upside toe, kind of really causing havoc and get out and run.
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Do you think that can work, though, Like if you're almost because that it's funny, like what they're known for is is historically speaking high level shooting.
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I don't think that's gonna be how a lot of the score is gonna come from, Um, do you think like how they're set up to be this fast paced forced deflections? Get out and run? Do you think that that works you think that could be a riel catalyst to winning games? I do think they can have success doing it.
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What level is debatable like? I'm not gonna sit here and be like, Yeah, they could totally beat the Lakers doing that stuff, But I think they can get themselves into the playoffs and be a team whose feisty and bothers people.
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I think there's a little bit of a misconception with Steve Kerr and also with coaches like, um, like Brad Stevens or two degree Popovich.
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I guess, um, where you know there's such a focus on, like their variations of motion offense and ball movement actually wanna throw Phil Jackson here, too.
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But if you really notice it, the one thing they want more than anything is players who they can who can defend.
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I think they tend to believe we can teach some sort of offensive system that works, But I can teach ah six to guard to be 66 you know, So they kind of would rather have guys who can defend and teach them how to play offense than go the other way around on.
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That's not even to say the Warriors, I mean Kelly uber, at this point has been more of a player who flashes good defensive players than being the consistent defensive stopper.
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Same could be said for Andrew Wiggins.
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Um, we look good, though.
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I thought Wiggins look pretty decent in terms of in his short stint.
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He did, but we're talking 12 games in a season, But, yeah, we're talking like I think, you know, there's a least something to work with there, and I think they're more excited about.
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Let's see, Steve Kerr said.
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I I want to get this team to be top 10 defensively and to run, which tells me that's where his focus is.
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And, quite frankly, that aligns with the talent they have.
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Because if he came in here focusing on trying to turn James Wiseman into, you know, savant out of the passing out of the pinch posts, I'd be like we might be in for a long year because it's a lot for a 19 year old who hasn't necessarily displayed that skill set, is it? Are they? They feel a little it.
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It feels really weird to say this, but they feel a little like rocket see in terms of its Wings.
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It's gonna be a high volume presumptively, uh, guard on, and that Curry is a much smarter team player, I think in terms of compared to harden, but they are kind of built from similar construction.
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I would compare them if everything breaks right and they developed the way they want them to to the D'Antoni sons or the We believe Warriors.
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Where, UM, just because I hate using the Houston comparison Because James Harden has such a monotonous style, it's part of his brilliance.
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But like you play, it hardens pace when you play with James Harden and a lot of that's walking the ball up the court.
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A lot of that's kind of lowing defenders to sleep with his, you know, amazing dribble moves and just, you know, kind of master of the handle on steps.
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Just a different player steps.
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He's not Steve Nash, but he's kind of wired like Steve Nash was always trying to run and get behind the defense because because he's not physically dominant like James Harden, he knows his advantage is going to come by getting behind the defense who's not set and, you know, attacking Ah set half court team isn't going to necessarily work for them.
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So I would compare to those two.
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I would expect them to try to get a lot of layups in transition with wings they have.
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And then, if that doesn't work, maybe to kick out, to step in a high pick and roll or Draymond trying to catch a cutter off of the short roll stuff, stuff like that more than, um, rockets, that's fair.
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I'm not gonna rebuke that.
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E think that's a fair comparison.
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Um, let's talk about the conference itself.
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Where do you have them finishing right now? If you look at it and let me just hear that first cause I'm curious to see who you have in front of them.
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I have them and I've been playing with this.
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I'll go back and forth.
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I'll probably change my mind before the season starts.
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Um, I think they probably finished.
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I think seventh, I think I think four or five is in play.
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Um, I also think finishing outside the playoffs if they have some bad injury like they really can't afford Steph to miss more than a handful of games and stuff, Mrs 20 Games.
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I don't see how they make the playoffs.
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I don't think they have a roster that can go 500 without stuff on the on the floor.
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Maybe if you Mrs three games, they could go one and two or two and one.
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But if you Mrs 20 games in a row, they might lose eight in a row somewhere in the middle there.
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So everything comes with the caveat of I'm banking on Steph and Drummond's health.
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I feel like it's also boring to talk about like, Well, he's gonna get hurt in this thing is we work under the assumption that nobody misses a game in the NBA next year, right? So s so I think the two l A teams will probably be at the top of standards.
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And then I think Denver, Dallas, Utah all have a level of continuity that's going to have in Dallas.
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Dimension Dallas Yeah, in Dallas.
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So it's four teams right there where they're not really integrating new pieces like they're integrating.
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Maybe, uh, one starter, a bench piece, but they're running back the same thing.
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I think those teams air going to get off.
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Too much better starts in the Warriors, and that's gonna matter.
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Like I would not be surprised if the Warriors started eight and 12 or something.
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You know, something kind of a little below 500 then went on a run.
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And I think for the Warriors, um, I think they can be as good as those teams in that second tier pack.
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But I'm not convinced they're gonna have the same record because they're working in three new starters, no matter how you put it.
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Like Wiggins played one game with stuff, he has to figure out how to play with him.
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You brace played zero y since played zero.
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Bazemore was a warrior.
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Two presidential cycles ago.
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Um, Wanamaker hasn't been on the team.
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I mean, I can keep going down the line, right? Like there's just a lot of players to integrate.
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And whereas even if you think at the end of the season, maybe Dallas is not better than them because it's kind of Lucca and just a lot of pieces, um, they're still going to get out.
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They know who they are at the beginning of the season.
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The warriors don't know who they are.
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December 22nd.
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They might not know who they are until February, Um, and the nature of the West.
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The team's air to good.
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They're gonna lose some games.
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Two teams, in theory, early part of the season that they probably could get back at the end of the season.
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But I don't think I just think the West is too good for them to probably break into the top four.
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Record wise, they may be able to scare those teams come playoff time, though.
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So you like him more than Portland.
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Phoenix.
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Who? My missing.
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I forgot Portland.
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So through Portland.
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In the mix, too.
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I I like there you go, that Z that's where they have them at seven, I believe.
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I think, Yeah, I'm just That's right now.
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Yeah, okay, so that's you have Portland makes you have in the Lakers, Lakers, Clippers, Denver, Dallas, Utah.
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Portland is six teams.
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I wouldn't anticipate finishing with a better record than the Warriors if everyone's health breaks the right way.
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So then Houston and Phoenix are the ones that are kind of in that same class of the world.
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E guess I'm I guess I'm banking on Houston trading. Harden.
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Maybe two year, maybe to the team you're covering.
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Um, Okay.
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Yeah.
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So Okay, now you got me rethinking it.
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Okay, if if James Harden finishes the whole year, the Rockets will probably finish above them, too.
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So wow, that prime makes the Warriors like an eighth seed e mean, I think there and then and then, like you said, I can't count Phoenix out there right there.
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Also, Memphis should have made the playoffs last year.
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Um, but we have to play in tournament.
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I guess we'll get the plan tournament this year, too.
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So that's nice.
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Any way you slice it, I think it's gonna be a bear for the warriors to break into those top teams because those teams just have so many established pieces and know how to play with each other, that even if you think the Warriors heir could be competitive with them, I just think they're gonna be playing catch up for the first half of the season.
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Yeah.
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No, I I the one that I could see falling, but I can't see them falling that far is Denver because I just like I like the John Michael Green at a lot.
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I actually think like that.
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That move kind of rescued a lot of things like he's the Jeremy Grant thing. That sucks.
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But, I mean, I think they could get by without it.
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I buy the Jamal Murray thing, and then from there, it's like, Okay, like you could I think John Michael Green's an upgrade over Paul Millsap.
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Um, so you know it's e can't see them falling that far.
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The Warriors are tricky because who's their second best shooter right now? And that's gonna be their problem.
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And that's why Steve Kerr is already focusing on running as the main.
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The main thing.
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I mean, who is their second best suit shooter? Brad Wanamaker? Probably.
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Maybe Jordan.
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Maybe you bray Maybe Wanamaker.
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Maybe Jordan pool.
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Um, maybe Bazemore.
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I mean, we're talking about it might be Michael Molder if you make.
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So we're talking about a collection of guys who are historically streaky shooters.
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Uber is the type of guy who goes four for six and falls it up by an over six game from three.
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And that's kind of the entire roster outside of Steph Curry.
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Yeah, it's funny.
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That's like it's It feels like the lazy argument against them, but it it is like It's the biggest thing right now that I look at him just like I don't know how that works in the way the league works.
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And I don't know what next year will look like Our team is gonna be trying to start in the regular season.
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Are they gonna be dogging a little bit? There gonna be a little bit more of window of openings for three point shooting teams? Um, it'll be curious.
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It'll be really curious.
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There's a lot up in the air next year.
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But, um, they have a disabled player exception, right? Like nine million.
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Who would you target or what type of player would you target if you don't have specific people in mind? I well, shooter, Um, the way I'm looking at their roster right now, the two things they need most are a veteran center and shooter.
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Primary, Um, hopefully a wing, quite frankly, so.
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That could be targeted a lot of different ways.
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I honestly don't think they're going to use the disabled player exception until until the trade deadline.
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There seems to be the sense that ownership is like we're already over 100 million to the tax.
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I'm not sure I want to add another 5200 mil if you're not gonna make the playoffs.
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So show me your hanging around there and then we will target players to add to.
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It would also make the tax burden less so because you're paying tax on half a season instead of a full season.
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Uh, but I think that's also reasonable, because could you imagine them? Let's just say, adding Doug McDermott and and then stuff just gets injured.
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Game one again, and none of it matters.
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But, you know, ownership has to pay a nice $200 billion tax bill for the last place team in the league or something like that, Right? Um, so, yeah, when you look at the roster, it's I go between a big man and a shooter as being a bigger priority.
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Uh, at the big man at the center position, Wiseman's air rookie and a night a young rookie at that.
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There has to be some sort of honesty with ourselves in terms of how many minutes per game we can play.
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He looks incredibly talented.
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I think he's gonna end up being a very good MBA player.
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But being 19 and having to bang against Yokich.
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Gobert, Anthony Davis all in consecutive games.
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If you're thinking he can play 30 plus minutes a game, that just sounds like a recipe for him to get hurt.
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Uh, Kevon Looney has had more hip surgeries than any 24 year old should ever have.
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S O.
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And he's I mean, he's another player who just struggles toe to stay healthy.
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You know, maybe more than 15 minutes a game isn't a realistic expectation for him.
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And then after that, it's marquees Chris and Alan smiling each.
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So, um, they could really use, like someone like Dwayne Dedmon, who is clearing waivers Now.
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I know there they're hopefully signing him, but, I mean, he consigned with whoever he wants.
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So it's not a given that they'll get him.
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They obviously tried to get Marc Gasol on Aaron Baynes, but I feel like they lost their shot at getting those players once Clay was out there both.
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Obviously, if they're going to take a discount, it wants to be.
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They want to be on a team that they think could win a title, and the worries about Clay feel more like a team who's fighting Thio be a feel good story in the second round, then to compete for a title.
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So, um so, yeah, I do think they could use a vet center, if for no other reason than to help Wiseman make it through 72 games instead of having him play too many minutes and sprain an ankle, you know, sprained shoulder or any of the myriad of injuries that hit big men because it tends to be the most physical position.
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Do you think like so, Did you think that was indicative of the Warriors future? For them not to get Aaron Baynes, Marc Gasol? Or do you think this is like Goodyear? They rebound their back, I think.
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Good year.
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They rebound and they'll be more attractive to free agents.
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But yeah, there, there, Clearly a second tier team Now.
00:22:03
At best, I don't think it's a it's an issue that you know they're a toxic situation.
00:22:10
But if your ring chaser, they're not on your list of teams to go to until proven otherwise, they might have been if they had Clay Thompson.
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I know they really wanted Marcus, so I mean, Marc Gasol is a perfect fit for that motion offense the way they like to play.
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I'd like to think they would have had a very good sales pitch for him.
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What if they had Clay and I think there's a good chance he probably would have come.
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But, you know, without Clay, it's pretty obvious choice.
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You look at what? The Lakers, the Clippers in the East, You're looking at Miami, the Nets, maybe Boston, Um, and those air kind of your teams that if you're of that, who's, you know, MAWR interested in winning a ring than making money? Those are the teams you're going to right now.
00:22:53
If this continues to go south, what's the move next? Is there is it a Draymond move is how is it really blow things up? Or is it just retool, retool, retool? Like if they really just don't, it does.
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It's not a good year.
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Essentially, that's a tough call, because does Draymond knit you anything in the trade market right now? I think the biggest issue they have going for them is every player they have, who they'd want to trade.
00:23:19
In other words, everyone not named Steph Curry has three or four years on their contract. Andrew.
00:23:24
I'm sure there's teams who could be talked into taking a flyer on Wiggins and seeing maybe if they could get more out of them, but not at the price of 30 year for three years.
00:23:36
You know, they're maybe they're going to do it.
00:23:37
If it's a one year, 15 million, like, Hey, let's take a shot on him If we find something in that Minnesota didn't will resign him.
00:23:44
If not, it's just a one year thing.
00:23:46
That's kind of issue the Warriors were running into with him with Draymond.
00:23:51
I don't wanna talk about Train Clay, but same thing you're talking about guy now who's toward his A.
00:23:55
C l and his Achilles and his own A Max contract for three years.
00:23:58
After that, you can.
00:23:59
So they're in this tough spot where trading those guys, you're not gonna get back prospects of value or pics.
00:24:07
You're giving up picks to get off their money, and I don't think they want to do that.
00:24:13
I will say the one silver lining they have is they have the 2021 wolves pick and early early look at this 2021 draft classes.
00:24:24
It's significantly more exciting than 2021 so you could potentially talk yourself into all right, you got Wiseman.
00:24:31
You're hoping he could be a franchise cornerstone.
00:24:33
Going forward, you got the Wolves pick.
00:24:36
Let's just say it conveys somewhere between five and 10.
00:24:39
Um, that's probably that's probably great news for the Warriors.
00:24:43
That's I don't know if the Wolves will be that bad, but when you look at the West, they're weird roster.
00:24:48
They're very.
00:24:49
It's a weird, weird, weird roster, Um, very guard heavy, which I mean, I guess, is somebody who covers the Brooklyn Nets.
00:24:56
I'm not really allowed to make fun of anybody from being card heavy fun, but they're pretty guard heavy U S S O.
00:25:04
But I think I think that's kind of the Warriors path.
00:25:07
It's kind of like if the season doesn't go well, you have another pick.
00:25:10
Another chance toe add like a true high upside rookie, as opposed to like a number 28 pick, which had been what they've been doing during their five year final run, and you just kind of go with it.
00:25:22
I don't think you can trade Steph Curry I think you only trade staff.
00:25:27
If he basically begs for a trade, goes public with the trade demand.
00:25:32
I think I've heard the arguments for trading him.
00:25:37
I get them from an ****ytic standpoint.
00:25:39
Like, yes, Steph can probably net you a godfather offer from another team.
00:25:44
Um, any team that trades for Steph Curry immediately changed is the balance of power.
00:25:49
If the Miami Heat traded for Steph Curry, maybe they do beat the Lakers, right? Like I mean, they took him to six.
00:25:56
You can't tell me stuff doesn't change that.
00:25:58
If the Boston Celtics there maybe like an actual contender instead of kind of what they are, which is kind of second tier one.
00:26:04
And we could go down the line, You know, they could definitely get one of those type of.
00:26:09
They could get a better package than what the thunder got for Paul.
00:26:12
George, they get something.
00:26:13
You know, something on par with the ridiculous thing that the Rockets asked for. James Harden. Right.
00:26:19
Give us like a young star in 40 billion picks.
00:26:22
Um, but I don't think the warriors do that less stuff bags because he's Mr Warrior.
00:26:28
You would deal with like the Warriors air.
00:26:32
I think they're pretty invested in him retiring with the team.
00:26:35
They want him to be there.
00:26:36
Dirk Nowitzki there.
00:26:37
Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant.
00:26:39
One of these guys for a franchise that doesn't necessarily have the lineage and prestige of, like the Boston or a L. A.
00:26:48
I think there's there's an intrinsic value to doing that, even if it means you're dealing with, like, four years of mediocrity here, where you're spinning the wheel.
00:26:58
Not really bottoming out, but not really contending.
00:27:01
I think.
00:27:03
Forget that they owe it to staff.
00:27:04
I think they kind of owe it to the fan base and the brand that they wanna build.
00:27:09
And they want to make the Warriors be synonymous with those top tier teams.
00:27:13
To do that instead of being just another team, that kind of cycles through players.
00:27:17
Yeah, and it seemed that, like a I guess, ah, team that owned an era like you wanted to be a signature team to also not to mention they have a very expensive new arena that I think and fills it up.
00:27:28
Yeah, you know, at least before the panda Maiken.
00:27:31
Probably after Yeah.
00:27:33
Whenever we get there, it will be something.
00:27:35
I also think like they kind of have to go see what Clay looks like.
00:27:39
After all this.
00:27:40
Andi, even if he is like, you know, like a West Matthews or or a better version of Of West Matthews, a taller version of West Matthews.
00:27:48
I should say, Um, I do feel like you almost have to do that.
00:27:51
You owe it to your fans and it just like the team itself to see what that looks like.
00:27:57
And I think that's where, like the Wolves pick becomes interesting because just based on the early books and you know, we'll see what happens.
00:28:04
It seems like everyone in the projected lottery is a wink.
00:28:09
So that's another piece toe help manage Clay's minutes like I've kind of made this point on my own podcast.
00:28:17
I don't think Clay will struggle to shoot the ball when he comes back or be someone who terrorizes defense with his shot making ability.
00:28:26
I think he will struggle to ever play 30 minutes a game again.
00:28:30
I think when he comes back, you kind of have to think of Miami Miami Heat version of Ray Allen.
00:28:38
Manu Ginobili, obviously much stylistically different than money.
00:28:43
But like one of those guys who plays 20 ish minutes off the bench and maybe in the biggest games, you extend them because they just don't have the legs to be that 35 minute per game or course player.
00:28:54
I worry a little bit like sharp cuts and stuff like that.
00:28:57
That's the part where I'm like, I just don't know like there's, I think, was Mike Product at a really good article was related.
00:29:02
Thio Durant kind of talking about some of the stuff that we've seen from, like Achilles recoveries, which seems to improve more and more every year.
00:29:09
But that's the part.
00:29:10
I kind of worry about a little bit that part of his game because the set shooter is gonna be awesome no matter what. Because he's Clay.
00:29:17
Yeah, and tied in with Katie.
00:29:20
I mean, both Katie and Clay don't really struggle getting their shot off over length because of their height.
00:29:26
Obviously, Katie's like the ultimate outlier like go ahead and contest him.
00:29:30
He's gonna take the 15 footer, and it's not really gonna matter.
00:29:34
Um, Clay obviously utilizes screens and movement more than Katie that he needs Thio.
00:29:39
Um, but I don't think they have an issue with that.
00:29:43
I think where you're going to see it is lateral mobility on defense, which will affect claim or than Katy because Katy's longer and plays down a position.
00:29:51
Anyway, um, and then, um, the durability factor, like even West Matthews and Rudy Gay, both of which had really successful recoveries.
00:30:01
Um, the way where I noticed it was like they just you just can't extend them to play the minutes they used to play previously.
00:30:09
So that's something.
00:30:11
I'm both gonna watch her with, Katie, like, can you play 30 plus minutes a game, post Achilles and then with Clay, I'm almost 100% positive.
00:30:18
You can't because you're talking about to lower body injury is not just one on different legs legs in consecutive years.
00:30:25
There's got to be some sort of understanding that maybe maybe he's just a super sixth man now.
00:30:31
And that kind of that's the idea of like having all these pics.
00:30:34
That's the nice parts.
00:30:35
You have a bunch of young guys young legs coming in that could give you that.
00:30:38
They're gonna wanna play minutes right away and wanna you know, it s Oh, it's it'll be funny.
00:30:42
It's very funny to come full circle to the strength of numbers.
00:30:46
Come back to it at the very end.
00:30:48
Uh huh, Yeah.
00:30:50
I mean, I always kind of always kind.
00:30:52
Always thought like the warriors in a post Katie, uh, era.
00:30:56
Like their best case was to be like the Spurs.
00:30:59
Um, where? Like the the spurs of Kauai? Where? Um, the 2012 to 14 spurs, where they were just such a deep and like, they basically outsmarted everyone like Tim Duncan was older.
00:31:14
He wasn't necessarily M v p 2003 Tim Duncan, but he was still a high impact player.
00:31:22
Tony Parker, Manu All these things the same.
00:31:25
And I didn't I didn't project Clay being injured and having to take Manu Ginobili's type of role because of, you know, managing his body.
00:31:34
But I guess were there, too.
00:31:36
Well, it will be interesting, too, because the Spurs like they target these high I Q guys that are gonna make plays for one another.
00:31:42
You go look at the 2014 spurs like they're just the beautiful.
00:31:46
What is it? The art of that The beauty of basketball.
00:31:48
Whatever. Watch that video game.
00:31:50
There we go.
00:31:51
Thank you.
00:31:52
I knew you'd have it.
00:31:53
Um, so will be interesting to see what the What? I guess this year will kind of tell us, like, are the warriors kind of finding that? Are they going to be the wings hotbed of, you know? Are they gonna be get out in transition team? I wonder if that's what they're angling for is like, That's gonna be our model, our bedrock to the next era.
00:32:08
Um, who do you think's gonna catch everybody by surprise on this Warriors roster this next year? I'm gonna Gigio with Andrew Wiggins.
00:32:20
If Onley because he now has, he has a He has a reputation around the league.
00:32:28
Um, just by virtue of being a number one pick who never really lived up to it.
00:32:34
I think he, like you said he played while in the 12 games last year.
00:32:39
And that was without Steph and dream on for the most part.
00:32:42
Um, the way the warriors wanna play does fit his skill set.
00:32:46
It's less of a focus on him trying to be a playmaker out of pick and roll, which the Wolves did.
00:32:51
And it's just it's just not who he is, like he's not gonna handle. He's not.
00:32:55
He's more of a pure wing than like a playmaking guard, right? Right.
00:32:59
I think everyone's kind of focused on staff Draymond and them kind of, you know, kind of being back.
00:33:09
And if you if you want to say those guys by surprise, I do think they'll both have really good seasons, Um, and then you're throwing in.
00:33:15
Wiseman is kind of the number two pick.
00:33:17
He's got all the eyeballs, and uber is kind of the big acquisition in the off season that somehow Wiggins gets forgotten and I kind of think Wiggins gonna probably have a quietly solid year for them.
00:33:26
Maybe it's like what, exactly what he needs almost is to be.
00:33:30
Just don't have those expectations that he's coming into the league with.
00:33:34
He is the one I felt you know, kind of got hurt most with the clay injury because he really would have been in the perfect situation with Steph, claimed Draymond.
00:33:43
He would have never really had to handle the ball.
00:33:45
He could have just used his athleticism cut off ball spot up occasionally and defended his ass off, Really? And, um and, you know, really not had to doom or not.
00:33:55
Had to live up to these expectations that he was gonna be like one of those all Star Wings like a Paul George or coli, which, you know he's It's unlikely he ever will be.
00:34:05
Right, Right? Right.
00:34:06
No, it's Yeah, it's just It would be a good story.
00:34:09
I think in a lot of ways it will be in the first two weeks.
00:34:11
By the way, if he starts looking good cause he does it every year to kick off the C.
00:34:15
C.
00:34:16
Did that last year, he was like, Wow, Wiggins has figured it out, and then he shoots 20% from three.
00:34:21
Well, luckily, he's surrounded by a bunch of shooters that well insulated, um, the last one I have.
00:34:30
And then I will kinda wanna ask about something.
00:34:32
Way wait out in the future.
00:34:33
This year is where does Eric Paschal fit in to this team? Because I have no idea.
00:34:39
Right now, he is kind of the forgotten man.
00:34:42
We haven't mentioned him.
00:34:43
Yeah, I feel like nobody.
00:34:45
I forgot about him completely.
00:34:46
I looked through the roster, and I was like, Oh, yeah, this guy was like a big part of last year Another 66 guy with a 7 ft wingspan who can run, who's athletic in transition, whose jump shot is wildly inconsistent.
00:34:58
I mean, I think he fits in perfect.
00:35:00
I think they actually have a bunch of bodies.
00:35:02
Um, I think he's only a power forward, though.
00:35:05
I've not been a fan of the Paschal at the three.
00:35:10
Dream on it before with the center inside lineups.
00:35:13
He's better defending force and he is defending threes, and there's a significant lack of shooting when you play all those guys together.
00:35:22
So I think he fits in.
00:35:24
I think he's going to help um, limit Drummond's minutes, which will be better for him.
00:35:30
Just less wear and tear.
00:35:31
And I think they're gonna definitely play some Wiggins.
00:35:36
You bray Pascoal Draymond at the two through five.
00:35:40
So, like literally everyone 6768 with a seven plus foot wingspan, kind of an ode to the small ball death lineup, it will never be as good as the ones that they ran out there.
00:35:51
But that's a lot of athleticism and wingspan to cause turnovers.
00:35:55
So it's a it's the team athleticism.
00:35:57
Who for you? Who would you want? Team athleticism to play? If you're in the playoffs next year, Who's the higher seed that you'd want to see in round one? You feel like you get a Portland? Yeah.
00:36:08
Just because they have always had their number.
00:36:11
Correct.
00:36:12
Um, I think Drammen gives them problems.
00:36:15
I don't see that changing.
00:36:17
Uh, dreamin particularly always shows out verse them.
00:36:20
And I don't know why they ran back in his cantor because last time Dreamin played Portland in the playoffs.
00:36:26
Cancer is the reason he averaged 25 12.
00:36:29
So who is just another version of Venus Cantor? Uh and, um, yeah.
00:36:36
I mean, i e I just think that they match up really well with them.
00:36:40
I mean, Portland's again, a team who is dependent on to highly explosive guards having a ton of wings.
00:36:46
You're gonna match up better on that and dream on quarterback in the defense.
00:36:50
They're just gonna match up better on Portland.
00:36:52
And let's Yokich could be a major problem for them.
00:36:55
For example, like you're talking about a rookie guarding Nikolai Yokich e think James Wiseman is gonna be a really good defender in this league.
00:37:03
I do not like his chances his rookie year for someone like Yokich, do you? I wonder.
00:37:08
While the So I was gonna say the Clippers, The Clippers added The Ibaka ad is really It was just like the broken 11:30 p.m. out here.
00:37:16
Um, but I wonder what other TV I guess.
00:37:18
Like the Clippers would be one of the teams in the mix just to a degree.
00:37:23
Yeah, I guess.
00:37:24
I mean, they had a weird year last year.
00:37:26
Um, obviously disappointing playoffs.
00:37:28
I guess if they have another year where everyone is like, they there's something wrong with their chemistry.
00:37:34
Um, that would be a team.
00:37:36
You know, I wouldn't mind the warriors facing, um but I'm thinking mostly, uh, you know, Portland, Dallas.
00:37:47
Kind of some of those second tier teams of the words Come get up to a six seed and play the three seed.
00:37:51
They're gonna have a, um they're gonna have a really good shot at knocking them off my opinion.
00:37:57
Obviously, they fall to eight and have to play the Lakers.
00:37:59
I feel like that will be pretty painful, but You know, I hope we get there.
00:38:05
I want to see the Warriors against somebody.
00:38:06
I think you've talked me into it two degrees, So I like I do like teams within identity from day one, and I think that that's gonna be there.
00:38:15
Um, before I let you go, I thought of this at the top of my head.
00:38:18
So if this is this is too niche, then you know, well, we can we can just cut this right out.
00:38:24
But what's your if there's one thing Look, last year was a little bit of a lost season.
00:38:28
But if there is one basketball thing stat, anything you could take from last year, it could be a number.
00:38:34
It could be a play. It could be.
00:38:36
I don't even know a a week of basketball, um, that you could take from last year and apply to this year.
00:38:41
And you think it's replicable and indicative to future success.
00:38:45
What would it be? A very long question.
00:38:49
Christmas Day game, Christmas Day game was the only time Draymond showed up in his full Draymond.
00:38:57
And, you know they beat the rockets.
00:38:59
Um, I'm sure the Rockets didn't take him seriously.
00:39:02
at the beginning of the game.
00:39:03
Um, because, quite frankly, they shouldn't.
00:39:06
You know, It's like D Angelo Russell, Damian Lee, Glenn Robinson, the third Draymond green and marquees.
00:39:11
Chris was the starting lineup.
00:39:13
That's not necessarily a team that's going places.
00:39:16
Um, in that game, Draymond, who was battling injuries, still showed.
00:39:23
When he is fully locked in and physically right, he can still be one of the three best defenders in the league and kind of the player who became so famous and integral to the Warriors success for all those years.
00:39:36
So, um, you know, Drama has been kind of posting these I G workout videos, letting everyone know he's starting the season shape.
00:39:45
Um, if he is locked in.
00:39:49
I think this team could go places because they have a lot of length around him and dream on is an amazing communicator.
00:39:55
In many ways, he has a mini Kevin Garnett, Um, in terms of just give him some guys who can do some things.
00:40:02
He could get the defense organized and get them moving, and he's amazing as a free safety.
00:40:07
Um, I think I think that will be determined to the success more than anything because I know stuff is going to come out and do his thing.
00:40:15
But Draymond is the rial, the player who makes this team kind of interesting.
00:40:21
And, quite frankly, he fits the style.
00:40:23
I was mentioning about defense and running.
00:40:25
He forces turnovers.
00:40:26
He's one of the best of taking the ball off the glass and getting out into transition.
00:40:30
Um, he also wants to get behind the defense because he can't really do much against the half court set defense like he doesn't have, like a drill dribble, pull up, game toe like attack someone when they're set.
00:40:40
That's so interesting, it's it's really become a dream on team.
00:40:43
Even Mawr, even more than a step team.
00:40:45
Almost.
00:40:46
Um, I I don't want to steal this, but Ethan Strauss wrote it today.
00:40:50
He said there He said, They're the seven seconds or staff and I thought that was kind of perfect.
00:40:55
Their goal is gonna be to get out there in seven seconds or if they don't pass it to stuff and hope you could do something.
00:41:02
Yeah, good article.
00:41:04
I read that on the athletic.
00:41:05
It was great.
00:41:06
E, I wanna let you plug away anything you have coming up anything you're excited for? Um, favorite food you had for Thanksgiving, Whatever you want.
00:41:16
Well, now you can just you can check out the light years podcast if you want warriors centric coverage.
00:41:21
Um, we'll be potting at least twice a week during this season.
00:41:24
Maybe more often.
00:41:25
We're still working out our schedule, but we'll definitely have to live episodes a week.
00:41:29
And, uh, yeah, that's about it.
00:41:32
Patryan as well. Correct.
00:41:34
Actually, it's Ah, it's a super cast feed.
00:41:37
So we have.
00:41:38
Ah, we have a light years premium feed where we do at least two additional podcasts.
00:41:41
On top of that, if you're warriors super fan, you can subscribe 99 cents the first month, $5 a month after that.
00:41:47
And, um, in that we do a couple extra pods a week, you get access to the Discord channel, which is, um, it's like the message board for super fans.
00:41:56
A lot of fun in there were always trying to come up with different contests and stuff.
00:42:01
And it's a fun community.
00:42:02
Yes, definitely do that.
00:42:04
I mean, this stuff is great.
00:42:05
I've been listening to it all day, and it's what you guys are doing is amazing. So keep it up.
00:42:09
Thank you so much for joining me.
00:42:11
And I will talk to you soon.
00:42:13
Absolutely, man.
00:42:14
Thanks for having Really? Yeah, yeah.

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