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Matt re-connects with draft aficionado Corey Tulaba AKA Hardwood Herald to break down their favorite picks of the 2020 NBA draft, their least favorite selections, all while swapping stories of what was a very fun night.

Follow Corey on Twitter @hardwoodherald

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you're listening to basketball.
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Inbar, a SportsCastr featured podcast with your host Matt Brooks.
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Experts from across the globe sit down with Matt to talk all things MBA from news and rumors to gain breakdowns and ****ysis, tune into the live stream twice a week on SportsCastr and be part of the conversation.
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But first buckle in for today's edition of basketball and more Welcome everybody back to basketball and more with Matt Brooks.
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This is, of course, a SportsCastr official VOD cast.
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I am joined by hardwood.
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Harold, I'm gonna do it again.
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How you doing today? Did I am? Uh I'm having a great day.
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Yeah, the draft is over.
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Um, which means that all of the work I've been doing for the last 10 years on this one specific draft class I could finally move past.
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I've been watching Cade Cunningham.
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Uh, so, you know, it's been a great day.
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Uh, tired.
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I think I streamed for I don't know, 100 hours is are there 100 hours in the day? Yesterday? You're doing a stream over like I don't even know like two or three hours is brutal.
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Like I we I did a couple of those when when we were like Pete quarantine.
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Um and like, after two hours, you're just like I need a sub like I need I need something right now.
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I need somebody that looks like me to come in because this is hard.
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So I you know, I did, ah, predraft stream on my channel.
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And then I hopped onto Knicks fan TV and for the draft, and we did, like, a half hour before the draft started.
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And then we did all the way until the second round was over.
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So it was almost like, five hours.
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I think on there like I literally one point I was like, Hey, man, like I just have to go to the bathroom like you're gonna have a black island.
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It was It was so long.
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It was crazy.
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I also chose a really horrible, uh, positioning where I didn't have any back support.
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So by the end of it, I literally was like, I just want someone to put me out of my misery.
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I feel horrible.
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I'm old now.
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I think I get I looked better in the camera doing the hunched over thing, but I had to go back.
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It was terrible.
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It's crucial.
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I have this giant pillow because e adult man that streams now that's that's what My life's starting todo eso that.
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That's what That's what I'm doing.
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Like, um, fun draft a cool draft.
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I wish I had watched.
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Like, really, I'm looking just at your at the board right now, which, by the way, thank you again for the help on the graphics for listening to this podcast.
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Go check out the visual even just for two seconds.
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Just go ahead and do it.
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I'll link this in your, uh, in the description of this podcast.
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Um, it's sweet.
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And you did a great job with this as always, but, um, you know, like like once it hit, like pick 21.
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Ah, guy, I really started doing writing stuff, so just it was an interesting draft, like there was a couple of pics and I was really excited about.
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I mean, number 30 was one that I was like, Okay, like pain in Memphis.
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That za niece team right there? Certainly.
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My God is n b a nerd porn right there.
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But, uh, no, I mean, it definitely was like, it's interesting the way it went, sort of the way things played out.
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So really, to set this off, I want just for because I think there's a lot of cases to be made like this.
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Like I really like where everybody went and I don't always feel that way.
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But like you really look at the first, however many picks.
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There you go.
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12, 13, maybe even 14.
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Um, it's just a nice draft like that so far.
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Who are the three that you're the most excited for, for where they landed or who they are as prospects? Um, well, let's let's start with three.
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That we're happy about where they landed.
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Well, I'm very happy that James Wiseman ended up in Golden State.
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I'm just I'm distraught about Clay.
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I love Clay so much that news such a bummer.
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It's such a bummer because I thought that clay spacing out in the corner, and Steph and James Wiseman running ah, high screen and the gravity that they create in both directions and not being able to help off clay Thio cheat down and having to rely on just weak side guys.
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And then you got the rest of Golden State's guys being able to do interesting things.
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I thought that was gonna be so much fun.
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But, you know, things happen.
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Um, like, you know, the drip King Kelly uber going there. That's exciting.
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But I'm really happy that he went there because I think that, you know, in the wrong hands, Uh, you know, he could have been a position where he wasn't able toe, you know, play to his strengths early on, and I think he's gonna get that opportunity.
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So I'm really, really happy about that.
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Are you curious about what they dio? I'm fascinated.
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Like, Does he play next to Draymond? Is that work? Is that aware e? I mean, this super fascinating.
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It's gonna be weird.
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Uh, I e was thinking about dream on earlier today, you know, because when they first did the death line up and it was so revolutionary, and you look a dream on, you're like, Oh, that's the future of the five.
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But like now, Draymond a little older and like his shot, has completely abandoned him.
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And like he obviously is still a brilliant defender leader.
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Pass her out of the short roll playmaker.
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All of those things, like he still has things that he could do.
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But like it almost feels like the game has evolved so quickly that, like Draymond skill set is no longer special.
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Well, he also like, depreciated in areas where it's like you, Really? You really needed him to hit threes like you really needed that on you got away with it because he brought k d in.
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But now you're at a point where it's like, Okay, like what? What? How is this gonna work now? Like, who's the second best shooter Next to stuff Now, Uh, I guess Is it Kelly who? Bright? It probably is, right.
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I mean, Andrew Wiggins, when he's hot, when he's feeling, it s so that's my only worry is I'm looking at that.
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I'm like, Oh, I don't know what the shoot, but it doesn't I don't think it matters, really.
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I mean, look like I don't know where they're going to finish.
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I don't No, if I have them is a playoff team, which feels weird, but it's like, you know, I kind of like Portland better than them.
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I like Dallas better than for sure.
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Dallas just improved again with that.
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Josh Richardson trade, which is awesome.
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And for for two reasons.
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I mean, we could even get into it right now.
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Tyrell Terry going to Dallas.
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Love it.
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Love it.
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Love it, man.
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Um, I mean, Tyrell, I I think I have him, like, 13th on my big board.
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Uh, you know, especially like and then I honestly, I was like, I probably have flirted with putting him higher, like I did the my big board.
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Um, before he had, like, come out with the he got taller, and he's done.
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And he's dunking between the, you know, between his legs and the hang time.
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Like all before that, I did my big board, and I really didn't alter it too much because, um, I was doing it for the magazine.
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And I had all the designs and I was like, I'm not redoing the designs.
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It just takes too long.
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So I was like, I'm just sticking it wherever they go there, If that's fine.
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Like, um, but I love it is fitting.
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I mean, obviously, like, right away, you know, he fills the Seth Curry.
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Hold that, You know, they traded to Philly, which I love for Phileas.
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Well, hey, could step in and do that and like, but one questionable thing about him, you know, his handle was a little bit loose in college.
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Like that was kind of the thing that stopped the like.
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Is this Steph Curry? It's his handle.
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Just wasn't what steps ever waas.
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So like his creation, because creation ability just wasn't the same, you know, even though he could get his shot, it's not like his handle was weak by any means.
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It just wasn't like, Oh, this guy could be an elite guard.
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Um, but now he's playing next to Luca.
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So, like now he could just be a secondary ball handler.
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He can run off screens.
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He does all of these, like, really nifty things when he's running off, you know, different actions off ball.
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So it's like, absolutely perfect for him.
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And, um, I mean, it Z Rick Carlisle developing him teaching in the game.
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He's smart, It's perfect.
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You could have drawn it up and play right away.
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I think he Yeah, I think he should.
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I don't know if he will, but he should, because Seth Curry was so crucial for them.
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So many spots.
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I mean, you have him, like, you know, just doing hey was a mercenary against the Clippers.
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And it's just because, you know, that's a guy that Rick Carlisle is just gonna He's gonna figure out ways to use him.
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So it's like, that's a great spot for him.
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It really is.
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And like, Hey, actually would probably be my number one for anybody.
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It feels weird, not even on this board right here.
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And I'm looking at that.
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Something like that has got to be the best spot for him for anybody that I can think of on the sport.
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Really, Period, I just I don't know.
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It feels like he's gonna be a success.
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I don't know how is to put it. Yeah.
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I mean, as far as like, just absolute, like best case scenario like him.
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I actually think that right? You know, the picked before him.
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I think Desmond Ban and Memphis is the perfect situation.
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Exactly what they needed, exactly what they needed.
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So, like, I wasn't nearly as like, hi on Desmond Bain as the rest of draft Twitter.
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You know who they overreact to? These guys that are like, all right? They're all, like, completely mediocre to good, but they're like limited unless they're in the perfect situation.
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And I felt the same way almost about like Brandon Clarke last year where if you would have listened to what I was saying before the draft with Brendan and Clark, I was like, I like Brendon Clarke.
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He's going to be good but he's not going to be a great as draft Twitter is saying.
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And then if you go and read my draft grades, I'm singing a completely different tune because he ended up in Memphis with John Moran, which is the absolute perfect scenario.
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It's just a guy throwing lobs.
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And with Desmond Bain.
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Now it's the same thing because now doesn't they never has to dribble the ball.
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He never, never has to triple the ball One time.
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He could just run off screens and have all of these wide open shots that are gonna be created from all of the spacing and the fact that jock and get to the hoop whenever he wants.
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So that was perfect.
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And then the other thing like I don't think there was um or Spurs Ian player over the last few years, then Devin Vessel and And the thing is, if you were worried about Devon vessel in any capacity, it was due to that weird shooting video, right? Yeah.
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And I was really happened, by the way.
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I mean, I haven't Why else he slipped? I don't know.
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What else would I made him slip? I I would not be shocked if teams overthought it, and that was what it waas.
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But that was that was a concern.
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Before that, I highlighted it to my breakdown video.
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Right.
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Like, um, but the Spurs have the best shooting coach like of all time and ship England.
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So if anybody is going to make that shot into its peak version of what it is, it's Chip England and spur.
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So, like, that was like when that happened, I was like, That's the best.
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I'm so happy because I love watching that dude.
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And that dude playing defense is just like, that's the dream.
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Like from the wing, like you love you love watching it.
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So he was another guy.
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Um, but yeah, there is a lot of good fit.
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I mean, I I agree.
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Like even like tic.
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Like RJ Hampton to the Nuggets.
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I don't love RJ Hampton, but that's a great.
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They have been great with development.
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And you know what? Life is really easy.
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Life's really easy Next to Yokich, Like that guy is just gonna just cut just cut back door and do take three dunks and we're going to give you easy.
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Looks like I'm kind of looking at him like, you know, Is this their next whatever Malik Beasley right here like, Is this what you do? I don't know.
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Like I'm just I was just really satisfied with, like, a lot of where these guys win Another good one is, is Halliburton who I'm iffy on? I think, you know, I think there's certain things that he's really, really great and certain things that I don't love about him but him and Fox is fun.
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That's a fun backward.
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That maybe is one of the most fun.
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You know, young back courts in the league see that I'm really happy that he went to a situation where he's playing off of a point guard because, like you, I was.
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If he on him, too.
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I think I had him like 18th on my board, and that was with the Corvette that I knew he was going to be better then a bunch of the prospect that I had ahead of him.
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But the reason I had him that low is because I thought he was going to go higher than he should have and that the expectations were that he was gonna be your primary playmaker, Savior point guard him if you listen to how some of these guys talked about him, you know? And they talked about him that way for a reason as far as his personality and his leadership ability and whatnot, but like your leadership ability doesn't help you dribble the ball, you know, and at the end of the day, like you could be a great leader, but you need to be able to break people down off the balance if you're gonna be a point guard.
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And that was my concern.
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So that's why I had him so low.
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If I would have known he was going to go, you know, play off of a D Aaron Fox, where now he could He'll still be able to handle the ball.
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He'll still be ableto run, pick and roll.
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But now he's gonna be ableto you know, sit in and space the floor on the wing of the corner for while Darin Fox getting to the rim, breaking out in transition.
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I mean, it's a really fun pairing, and it's like a really fun spot.
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And that's why I, like everyone, was like, Oh, he'd be great in Golden State.
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He'd be great in Atlanta.
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Well, you know Sacramento.
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Well, not the ideal situation for most prospects.
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The head Thio playing with the Aaron Fox like that's a That is a very good situation.
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And you know it's insurance because who knows what happens with Buddy healed, it doesn't seem like he wants or Bogdanovich e.
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You know Bogdanovich is going into restricted free agency, so I guess that if the King's want to keep him, they will write like, um, who knows what's happening with that whole Milwaukee situation? I haven't looked into it enough.
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I don't want it.
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It's above my pay grade right now before I've done a research.
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But yeah, that's that is a fun fit, too.
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I'm happy he went there, Um, because you know, that's ah, that's a guy who plays the right way.
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And it is like a Culture Center.
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So if there's any, if there's any team that, like actually needs, like a culture center like it's definitely the King's Yes, yes, no, I agree.
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And I think like just the descriptions of his leadership, I think is just, I don't know.
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I just think they could desperately use that.
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I'm not saying he's gonna be like leading the huddle right away or anything like that, because that's a little unrealistic.
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But just I don't know.
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They need something to sort of weather the storm, and I don't know if that's a big expectation for him to come in.
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But if he can even just do that through his play, it doesn't even need to be explicitly something done.
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But just to somebody who's, you know, getting everybody involved in doing little things and just making because they're just disconnected right now, there's too many guys.
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They don't all play together.
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Well, you know, it's like, you know, to shooting guards that do the same thing and Deer and Fox and Luke Walton, who wants to play slow, and deer and Fox, who want to play fast, just a mess.
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It's too many different philosophies, and they have a bunch of centers.
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Marvin Bagley is a mystery man that we've gotten like.
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It's just like so they need something. Harry.
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Three.
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Childs is fun, played for a bit.
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It's just there's too much going on.
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I just feel like he's a connector.
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He's kind of like a I mean, Alonso thing is a great cop because I don't know who else to come back to where it's like, Yeah, that's the guy that kind of connects the dots between everybody.
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Yeah, like you said, he's a connector.
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He's a guy that's gonna make like if because you mentioned all the pieces, all of those pieces separately or all interesting.
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Yeah, interesting.
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At least you know, it's just like who is going to connect the dots and, like Darin Fox, definitely connect the dots a little bit with those guys.
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I loved Aaron Fox like I would do horrible things to get Darin Fox to my favorite team.
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Terrible things unspeakable.
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But, um, it's not realistic.
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So he's in Sacramento, and I think that Halliburton's the guy that's gonna be ableto kind of glue everything together.
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He's a glue guy and at where they make 12, like I picked 12.
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Getting a glue guy who is like brings all that to the table.
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That's good value.
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You're not getting them, but you're not getting a glue guy at five.
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You don't want the glue guy at five.
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You want the glue guy.
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You know the back end of the lottery, and that's what he is.
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He's so I'm really happy he went there.
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So far, he's proved he's got the best drip in the class.
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He likes WWF wrestling, and I say WWF not W cause he's got the old school shirts I'm all in on that aspect of him.
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Um, big fan.
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Love it.
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Yeah, no big fan and big fan for for them because, I mean, just don't mess this up like just don't Don't mess it up it all.
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Um let's Let's end on low, Melo.
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Before we kind of get into someone's that I don't know if you're gonna have the same pictures me that I have.
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Certainly some like a few questions I have.
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They're like big questions.
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Yeah, Lemelle ball.
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Do you Do you feel good about this? You just put out a video today which I'm assuming unless unless you're just putting on a different persona of the video.
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I'm assuming that's your opinion.
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And you are a fan of it. Yeah.
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So I actually made that video, probably in September.
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I made like it was part of a long like that was just like a micro content thing that I chopped up from an earlier video I After the lottery, I had made a video like trying to figure out where Lemelle A would actually work, like the top three destinations based on how lottery shook out.
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And I said, Charlotte, Chicago, which I didn't necessarily on as a Bulls fan.
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But, you know, the fit was, you know, intriguing.
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And Phoenix would have been fun to.
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But I, you know, mentioned Phoenix was a long shot, given where they were and obviously they went trade.
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They got Chris Paul.
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So they found their guy.
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But Charlotte was the number one team that I said that would be the best fit for him because I think the pieces that they have outside of Devante Graham and you know, I'm only half counting.
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Terry Rozier here is part of like their long term plans.
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Um, outside, hot take, but outside of Devonte Graham like the rest of their pieces like they're all finishers.
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You know, like Miles Bridges is a guy that is super athletic.
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He's super fun, but like, if you're expecting him to go get you a bucket like you're gonna be very disappointed.
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Uh, PJ Washington is the perfect just finisher, like, All right, I'm going to set a screen. I'm gonna pop.
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I'm gonna hit this shot like I don't need the ball in the head in my hands.
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I don't need thio Create offense.
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You know, Malik Monk like he does love to create his own offense, but like, he's much better if he's just catching shooting, getting out in transition and even with Devante Graham like, he's a guy that is a knockdown shooter at a catch and shoot shots.
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So, like putting him next to the mellow and especially Lamela's tall So he makes up for the size.
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Not that that helps defensively, because Lemelle oh, can't guard anyone yet, But, you know, theoretically, they could play together in the backcourt.
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Um, so I just think offensively, they they're really intriguing because, you know, low, mellow as a shooter, like he's he's a bad shooter bordering on Terrible.
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But part of that is because of the shot selection, you know.
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So if you're giving him or catch and shoot shots, allowing him to playoff Devante Graham, who is good at creating offense for other people, you know that's good for him to as a scorer if you want him to be, you know, playing off other people, Um, getting open shots.
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So, Charlotte, to me, it's perfect.
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They're going to give him the keys, and they should.
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Lamela's a guy that you couldn't go halfway in, you know, like halfway in on.
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You either needed to give him the keys, let him drive as fast as he can and see if he could steer it and keep it on the road like he might crash.
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He might crash off the road, you know? But like, you have to let you have to see if he could take it, you know, to a buck 10 and, you know, stay straight and Charlotte's gonna do that, and it will be fun.
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Um, I'm happy he went there because the fit in Minnesota would have been a train wreck.
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The fit in Golden State would have been a train wreck, and I better without Clay.
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But even that I don't know, even yeah, it would have been better without clay, you know, because Steph could do fun things off the ball and whatever, but the circus there, like none of their veterans would have wanted, like Draymond green Graham agree with, maybe strangled him.
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He might have strangled him, you know, like he might have gone full spree.
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Well, on this kid, you know, So I don't know e mean in my health care would have broken, like, 17 clipboards.
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You know, that was shattered by the first half of his first game.
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You know, like, it's one thing when Steph is taking like, ah, 35 ft 33 seconds into the shot clock.
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Because you're like, Oh, great shot stuff.
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You were open.
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Like you're the best shooter in the history of humanity.
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Like, keep let it fly, baby with When Lemelle Oh, does it is a little different.
00:20:43
You're like, All right, well, we could have just rolled the ball out of bounds so we could set our defense up, like, you know, and you know that he grew up watching Steph and like looking up to him, so he would be like, like playing with stuff like jacking him up Tonight we got a show like this Like what you built.
00:20:59
Hey.
00:21:00
Might be like stuff.
00:21:01
I don't know.
00:21:02
He might be like, Hey, steps playing with may be a is the old guard right there.
00:21:07
It's just time to show.
00:21:08
Uh, no, I totally agree.
00:21:10
And like, I think like you have to basically put him.
00:21:13
And it's a weird thing to say, because you want him to succeed.
00:21:16
But you almost have to put him in a position where it's like, What's the worst position in the league? Like Like like in terms of like where you'd wanna play, like, Who is the absolute baseline of talent? Like who there? There needs to be nobody else there.
00:21:30
It's like Detroit Hornets like it's gotta be bearer.
00:21:35
For him to work is really like you go down.
00:21:37
It's like the Hawks Now.
00:21:38
That's not gonna work.
00:21:39
The cabs, absolutely not gonna work the Bulls.
00:21:43
I don't e guess the Bulls would have maybe work, but it's like like what's What's a Levine? Levine Lemelle? A backcourt is.
00:21:51
It's just like like look he would have fit well, from like an offensive standpoint with the entire, like roster.
00:22:00
Pretty much, you know Wendell Carter, you know, rolling to the rim Laurie market in pick and pop.
00:22:05
Zach Lavine, like, doesn't need the ball in his hands.
00:22:08
He's a like on like, I don't wanna say, exact.
00:22:11
Levine is an underrated shooter score, but he is like he is one of the best, like catch and shoot shot makers.
00:22:18
Like in the entire league.
00:22:19
He could snipe it.
00:22:20
Somebody's going to get him and they're gonna be surprised.
00:22:24
I think, to a degree, I mean, maybe not have done their scouting and stuff like his whole thing is, he's not a number one option, but if he was able to play like when, there was like, a little bit.
00:22:32
And obviously I don't think this is from the Chicago front office.
00:22:35
But there was rumors like Dallas really wanted todo Denver and Denver would have been like Denver and Dallas within the perfect spots.
00:22:43
Like if I could fully see a scenario where if you just gave Zach Lavine Jamal Murray's role in the bubble playing off Yokich, he's having a much A very similar explosion and everyone's like, Whoa, Zach Lavine.
00:23:00
I can't believe it.
00:23:01
Or, at the very least, he's a better like Will Barton, At the very least, at the very least, I mean, the dude can just flat out make shots score, get to the rim like he's not gonna play make for you very well.
00:23:13
But he's also not like the worst in the world, either.
00:23:16
He's just above his pay grade as far as like his role on the Bulls, and he's very much so.
00:23:21
A like, uh, I want to say, like to like a second option, maybe like a second and a quarter option, like definitely could be a guy who gets you 50 in a playoff game.
00:23:31
But, you know, also, um, you know, maybe you'd want another guy of the equal talent level with her might shoot you out of one.
00:23:41
Yeah, but the thing is like he's so efficient, you know, he's not a chucker.
00:23:45
That's the thing about his reputation, like absurdly efficient as a scorer because he's a phenomenal shooter and he's shooting a lot of tough shots and he gets to the free throw line.
00:23:55
So he's also improved so much with both hands.
00:23:57
He's improved so much since coming into the league like it was every single time, because again like E watched a lot of early Zach Lavine, it was like when he when he would go to the rim, it would be like he's either going up with his right hand or going up, up and under on the other side of the right hand.
00:24:14
Now he's got He's really, like, just all there.
00:24:16
It's he's got everything in the bag around the room and it's like a zoo.
00:24:20
Said he's shooting crazy percentages that he's a phenomenal score.
00:24:23
But, you know, and that's that's why the fit with Melo would have been interesting just because it would have been able to take him off ball, taking the pressure off of him to create for the rest of the team.
00:24:31
Um, and the same thing with Kobe White.
00:24:33
I mean, Kobe White and Zach Lavine, Zach Lavine.
00:24:35
Just a more seasoned version of what Kobe White is and we saw at the end of the season, Kobe White looked phenomenal.
00:24:42
I think the last game the Bulls played was against the Nets.
00:24:45
If I'm not mistaken and Kobe White had a great game, I think was an afternoon Sunday game or something like, I think that was the last game the Bulls had played.
00:24:52
I don't know.
00:24:53
It was around that time and he looked phenomenal.
00:24:57
But, like again, he's not making place for everybody else.
00:24:59
And, you know, I look Bulls fans.
00:25:01
I love Window Carter juniors passing ability.
00:25:04
Um, he's not Yokich, right? Like and you know, and I know that he didn't get to show it under boiling, but like Billy Dee is not bringing Yokich level passing out of them.
00:25:13
As good as I think he could be in as a playmaker or whatever.
00:25:16
But so the bulls needed that.
00:25:18
They still they still do.
00:25:19
They still, you know, Tomas Saransk E is not, you know, setting the world on fire.
00:25:24
Eso the mellow would have been interesting there, but Charlotte is much mawr.
00:25:29
What you wanted out of him.
00:25:30
There's not gonna be a media circus, you know.
00:25:32
He'll still be on ESPN and House of highlights and all that stuff.
00:25:35
It will be much more control because Frank I solo won't be, you know, screaming at him.
00:25:40
You know, one of those one of those kind of guys.
00:25:42
You know, you don't have to talk about him nearly as much in Charlotte.
00:25:45
Um, what do you think of Billy Donovan? A brief tangent are excited about the hiring.
00:25:50
I'm super excited.
00:25:51
I mean, I've always been a Billy Donovan fan dating back Thio, Florida.
00:25:56
I mean, you know, those Florida teams were super fun.
00:26:00
And granted, they were just ridiculously talented.
00:26:02
Um assed faras.
00:26:04
You know that so many NBA players on their team, but part of it is like it's hard.
00:26:08
It's a collective effort, even in college, to go back to back national championships in a single elimination tournament.
00:26:14
So part of that's coaching and preparation.
00:26:16
You know, his standing around the league with players like Bradley Beal can't say enough positive things about him and like, like, I'm sure you know.
00:26:25
Okay, see, fans, I think there are plenty of things he could improve on, but okay, see, fans haven't had to watch Jim Boylan, um, coach basketball games.
00:26:34
So literally anybody is better than what I don't like to **** on coaches.
00:26:41
I don't like I coach at a very coach, a very low level.
00:26:45
I really really don't because I think people really underestimate me.
00:26:49
How much coaches do know about the game, and it's so easy to be the, you know, Monday morning quarterback with a lot of the decisions.
00:26:58
But they're just There are just some things that, like, have nothing to do with what you know about basketball, that air, just personality things that everybody just absolutely hates you to your to their core.
00:27:09
And every single player on the Bulls was just like I just can't wait until I never have to see this guy again.
00:27:15
He literally installed a punch clock.
00:27:17
Like for for them to punch into work as like Like, we're gonna work hard guys like Like, what are you doing? And never took accountability.
00:27:25
He was the worst.
00:27:26
I don't wanna get discount e.
00:27:30
I don't I don't want to get political or anything on here.
00:27:33
Um, but since I know we share similar sensibilities, you know, he was the one guy that when surveyed I've read something that everyone was like.
00:27:41
If there is a trump guy in in the league like it's Jim Boylan is the is the guy.
00:27:46
So I was like, Yeah, that makes sense.
00:27:48
And I hate both of those people.
00:27:49
So I'm really happy that Billie Don, if it could come in regardless of his political affiliation and just take this team and and kind of let Bulls fans see what they could possibly be really go out.
00:28:02
Yeah.
00:28:03
Yeah, This is a really It's a real thing.
00:28:06
Like, Yeah, it's hard.
00:28:08
Well, the rockets pick their coach, so I mean, I guess I got it.
00:28:11
All right.
00:28:12
Jim Boylan, Uh, zit switch over.
00:28:18
But since we're taking a different direction, let's switch over to three.
00:28:22
That you will stick with three.
00:28:23
You weren't so excited about Yeah, in terms off in terms of guys that you were just like, Yeah, I don't know.
00:28:31
I don't know if this is the right place for them.
00:28:33
Yeah, the first guys Isaka, koro I mean it.
00:28:38
I think a lot.
00:28:39
There was a lot of my top and smoke to Cleveland, which, you know, made a little bit more sense from a fit perspective.
00:28:45
From a talent perspective, Isaac or I was a guy that everybody loves.
00:28:50
But everybody loved Jarrett Culver last year, too, and for a lot of the same reasons.
00:28:55
And I'm just scared, like he's never dribbling the basketball Gary's Garland and concepts and are going to dribble every single possession that they have it.
00:29:06
So you're taking away like the one of the skills that everybody was excited about for him, which is like, Oh, he's like a good ball handler And he could make plays in the pick and roll.
00:29:15
It's like he's never doing that.
00:29:16
He will never have the ball.
00:29:17
So he's basically just, Ah, three and D shooting guard, small forward who can't shoot.
00:29:24
And like from a defensive perspective, it's great, right? Like he's gonna be a phenomenal defender.
00:29:29
Colin *** and can't defend.
00:29:31
You know very well Dari Scarlett can't defend very well.
00:29:33
He could cover awesome, but like you don't have to spend the fifth pick on that like you can go get David Wahba.
00:29:41
You know, like there's there's other options.
00:29:43
Is spending the fifth pick? It just it does.
00:29:47
It didn't make sense to me.
00:29:48
I hate it.
00:29:49
It was, you know, I was like, I don't think he's going to turn into Jimmy Butler on the Cleveland Cavs, and that's why people had him at the fifth spot because there is Jimmy Butler potential, and I just couldn't think of theirs on Li like maybe Detroit could have been worse for him.
00:30:06
But at least there's a blanks likes lately.
00:30:09
I wouldn't hate that for him.
00:30:10
Um, but I hated it for Cleveland as soon as it happened.
00:30:13
I was like, That sucks because I really want him to succeed and I just don't see it.
00:30:17
The one thing I like about them, I feel like they've developed well, I I don't know.
00:30:21
I don't know about a big, long list, but have they developed a couple of guys into shooters? Like calling ***ton is the one that comes up for me? Yeah, he definitely improved.
00:30:29
But, like the thing is like, Colin ***ton's shot always looked fixable.
00:30:35
It looked fixable, you know, like even the percentage.
00:30:37
Ah, lot of it's probably the shots he's taking.
00:30:40
Um, he's turned himself into a very good shooter.
00:30:42
So, you know, maybe they have a very good shooting coach player development stuff there.
00:30:47
Maybe it was him on his own.
00:30:49
Who knows if a coral can fix it like that's great, you know, he'll be a really good, complementary player.
00:30:55
He still won't get to show off a ton of the things that, like make him the prospect that everybody was so high on there.
00:31:01
But it'll help.
00:31:02
It'll be a start.
00:31:03
And who knows? Maybe they don't wanna keep ***ting in Garland together and they'll move.
00:31:07
And the fit will be cleaner eventually, you know, like that's totally possible to, um But I hated that for him.
00:31:14
I It did not excite me.
00:31:17
I thought that I think that so much of the draft is expectations.
00:31:21
And when you're drafted that high, like the expectations for the player you're gonna be is, you know, is it matters, you know, like you don't wanna.
00:31:29
That's why I'm I'm happy that Sacramento got Halliburton at 12.
00:31:34
Because now the expectations match up with the value and I That's the It's the opposite for me.
00:31:39
With the Koro there, we haven't talked about your bulls.
00:31:43
I don't know if they're on your list.
00:31:44
I don't know if this hits two home.
00:31:48
It's an interesting thing.
00:31:49
I don't hate it.
00:31:50
I just and also I love like the little I don't know if you watched the draft, but the stuff would like the flowers and stuff like this is how I wrote my girlfriend watching it with May just watch.
00:31:59
There's gonna be some sweet anecdotes about the players balling the entire Oh, that's so nice.
00:32:04
Like e like while I was streaming, I had the draft on, but I didn't I didn't have any audio on.
00:32:14
I had the visual, so I saw the flowers and everything.
00:32:17
So Patrick Williams is not on my list from like, worst case.
00:32:21
It is one of the scenarios where you're like I don't know.
00:32:24
It feels early for him, you know.
00:32:27
But like so I had him 14th on my board, which is clearly lower thin the Bulls.
00:32:33
But I'll read you, um, like my right up on him in the magazine that I did.
00:32:42
And it's nothing but positivity like Pat Williams, maybe one of the draft youngest players, but he's already a man 68 to 25 brick wall.
00:32:50
All of the attributes that you would want to guard Tatum LeBron Lucas down the line, Um, a little bit raw, right? But he has a little bit of young Hawaiian him.
00:33:03
Can a development staff actually take that out of him? Um, he has it in him.
00:33:09
So like, yeah, I know the potential is there.
00:33:12
It's just like qualities trajectory a lot like projecting somebody the next Jimmy Butler or Bam bam or Bamboo with a Kung Wu like I hate that we're doing this the band thing like we got to stop doing this revolutionary process.
00:33:26
You know what's funny to like? I posted on Draft Day, which, even though it was yesterday, feels like a million years ago in and of itself.
00:33:35
In the morning, I posted a scouting report of Bam's weaknesses, and I didn't have.
00:33:41
Why had it was his strength, and his weakness is it was a scouting report, but I didn't post his name and I said, Who who is this? And people were saying like Willie Cauley, Stein.
00:33:52
Um, you know, guys like that because people couldn't have been more off on bam.
00:33:57
They're talking about his lack of basketball. I Q.
00:34:00
Not a good passer doesn't have to feel not going to be a good rebounder.
00:34:04
Probably the best he's ever gonna look physically.
00:34:07
Like all of these outrageous claims that I loved Bam, he was the guy like I wrote it.
00:34:12
It's on like I have the Screenshots like I wanted the Bulls to draft him that year.
00:34:18
This was before they had traded Jimmy Butler.
00:34:20
And then, you know, we traded him in that draft.
00:34:23
So the dream of pairing Jimmy Butler and Bam happened just not for for me and my phantom.
00:34:29
Um, but I freaking loved Bam, and I thought that a lot of what he turned into it was pretty obvious at the time, and it was outrageous.
00:34:36
He went where he went.
00:34:38
But the scouting report that I posted it was like the sentiment at the time, and that's why he went low.
00:34:45
But it's just like some guys you watch and they just moved differently.
00:34:48
Their natural basketball players on the court.
00:34:50
And, you know, that's honestly the way I feel about Wiseman when I watch him move, like at that side.
00:34:54
Like it's not to say that he's gonna have the same trajectory and all of a sudden become point center that bam is.
00:34:59
But you know, there are certain guys you watch.
00:35:01
They move differently and like band moves differently.
00:35:03
Ah, Kong, who doesn't move as clean as bam does.
00:35:06
He just doesn't you know, Um so projecting people to be the next whatever is tough.
00:35:12
So even if they're shades of it, like bring it back to Patrick Williams like their shades of Hawaiian there, for sure.
00:35:19
But he could also be Marvin Williams.
00:35:22
You know, like and Marvin Williams was the guy who played in the league for 15 years, I don't know.
00:35:27
What was it like? E think he had 15 eso.
00:35:31
He had an amazing career from, like an individual perspective, right? Like made a ton of money played in league forever.
00:35:41
That's a that's a home run for, like drafting a player, typically.
00:35:45
But like also, the Hawks also passed up.
00:35:48
Chris Paul and Deron Williams, you know, so like it's all perspective like he didn't bust out.
00:35:53
He just wasn't as good as some of the other players.
00:35:55
And that's almost how I feel.
00:35:57
Like like I know Patrick Williams is gonna be in the NBA for a long time.
00:36:00
I know he's gonna be a decent player at worst, but like, is he going to be the guy that you select fourth? That turns into like an all star level player? And that's the question I don't know.
00:36:11
I feel much more confident knowing, you know, Billy Donovan and both cheeks are gonna be working with them rather than, uh, you know, Jim Boylan and crew.
00:36:21
But do you feel like it's a good group for him? Like the players around him? Yeah, I dio.
00:36:26
I mean, like I said, they need a playmaker, though, like it's all for not if they don't have it.
00:36:30
Like they just need somebody who can come in and just control the pace of the game.
00:36:35
It's like why I almost was, like, four trading for Chris Paul if it didn't take, like giving up a major asset, um, similar to how the sons did because, like Westbrook with that, too.
00:36:46
Is that too crazy? I think it's too crazy because I feel like the Bulls air in a major market and, like they're gonna have cap space like they can address that.
00:36:57
And once the Westbrook thing happens, like it's a wrap like I'd rather like, I'd rather just bring Derrick Rose back and give him the keys again than trade for.
00:37:05
Obviously, Westbrook is much more impactful than Derrick Rose, but like I Westbrook scares me.
00:37:10
I think Westbrook to the Knicks.
00:37:11
Like if I was the Knicks at this point, I wouldn't be like, terribly sad about it if they made, like, other moves and didn't and only had to give up like Randall and whatever, um, they're making moves.
00:37:23
Do you see the Gordon Hayward stuff today? I did.
00:37:26
I mean, there could I'm like, look like I get it like I don't know.
00:37:31
I'm not completely out on it like, part of me is like, Oh, are they doing the thing again? Where it's like they're trying to build a winning team of, like, Wait, isn't that what we're trying to dio like? That's not a fair like, I'm just I'm putting them.
00:37:44
Leon Rose is kind of putting on a clinic.
00:37:47
Last two days, he's made some.
00:37:49
The the Ed Davis thing was nice.
00:37:51
That was like, I don't know if you saw that trade, but getting 2023 potentially, that double draft is like that's that za good move.
00:37:59
That's a great move.
00:38:00
And it is a good vet to I know for a fact as somebody who cooperate that great vet great that.
00:38:06
But even last night they started with 27 38 traded for 23 in case that they needed to package it.
00:38:17
Thio, I guess.
00:38:18
Get Obie.
00:38:19
Um, the Cavs said, No, we're not giving you the fifth pick for for 23 8.
00:38:25
And then they turned 23 into 25 33.
00:38:30
So they started out with two worst picks and traded for two better picks.
00:38:35
Like he made moves last night.
00:38:36
Leon knows what he's doing.
00:38:38
Like the Knicks have a competent front office.
00:38:40
It seems like it's good.
00:38:41
I want that, though.
00:38:42
I legitimately dio like I want that to be the case.
00:38:46
It's just it's more fun that way, like it really is.
00:38:49
I want there to be, you know, competitiveness between both Brooklyn are both New York teams.
00:38:54
Um, did you like top into them? Yeah, I like him next to Mitch.
00:38:58
Personally, I'm of the mind.
00:39:00
I think that's a pretty good fit.
00:39:02
Literally.
00:39:03
Yeah, he was like one of the guys that I was like If if there's any buddy that is like going to get the most out of like an OBE topping, it's Thibodeau.
00:39:13
Um, you know, he made Carlos Boozer like a significant contributor on the Bulls team and, like Boozer, gets **** on a little bit too much by Bulls fans.
00:39:22
Like he was still a very good offensive player despite, you know, defensive limitations.
00:39:28
Um, but yeah, like you said, he's great with Mitch, you know, their their skill sets offensively work.
00:39:34
They both can, um, you know, play close to the basket, but top Incan space it out.
00:39:38
He's a good passer, like, really underrated as a pastor, like he's a playmaker, um, at the power forward position.
00:39:45
You know, gonna be a really good scorer and defensively, like if you're a Knick fan and you buy into Mitchell Robinson's, uh, Mitchell Robinson's defensive potential like he's going to cover up for a lot of the mistakes that Obi would make.
00:39:57
So I love it.
00:39:58
You know, he's the perfect guy for New York, that it's not like another unknown player like I I would have It would have been hard for me to pass on him, even for Kyra Lewis, even if I thought Kyra Lewis was the better prospect.
00:40:13
Um, just because in that specific, you know, situation, it made a lot of sense.
00:40:20
The New York fan base is very specific, and it would have been like it could have been a nightmare media wise, which does affect players if, like, top and went on to win rookie of the year and they passed on him.
00:40:32
And now the narrative is like We got this guy who's not contributing like Obi Topping is and oh my God, it always happens to us swallow.
00:40:40
So I like to fit their You know, he's a guy that is not going to clash with R. J. Barrett.
00:40:46
Um, there, you know, it's a good it's a good, but they still they're still pieces away.
00:40:53
But I like Westbrook for them.
00:40:55
Honestly, I I honestly, I think it makes a lot of sense.
00:40:59
You have a, you know, a guy that gives you a lot of like vertical spacing with Mitchell Robinson.
00:41:04
And I guess the way that young Adams did.
00:41:07
I don't know about this current iteration of Steven Adams, but you have that and then you have top and who I don't really know.
00:41:13
If Russ has played with anybody like I guess like young Ibaka kinda.
00:41:17
It's not a great cop.
00:41:19
I wouldn't call it a great cop, but we'll throw it out there.
00:41:22
At least it's on Ben, just, you know, other pieces.
00:41:25
I don't know what RJ is gonna turn into, but, you know, I think good for him to try to learn to play off ball.
00:41:31
It's gonna be really integral for him to learn how to shoot, because I'll be honest.
00:41:35
Like, I don't think he's a good enough prospect in other ways where if he just doesn't learn how to shoot, he's going to succeed.
00:41:40
I don't think he's.
00:41:42
I don't think the baseline of RJ Barrett's good enough.
00:41:43
So regardless, he's gonna have to learn how to do that, to be something in the N B A anyway.
00:41:48
So I don't hate it. I like it.
00:41:50
It's interesting.
00:41:51
They're looking at Gordon Hayward like they could be. They could be fun.
00:41:55
Honestly, they could be a fun team.
00:41:56
They really could be Gordon Hayward, not in his contract that he's currently at like could be a good value church if he could stay healthy.
00:42:04
Like if he could just stay healthy for because he looked, he looked good for like, really right before the All Star break last year.
00:42:10
It was he was right on the edge of making an All Star team again.
00:42:12
Maybe not that close, but he was in the mix.
00:42:15
He's a conversation.
00:42:16
Sure, he's like the Spencer Dinwiddie.
00:42:18
They They were probably in the same class of the conversation to make the all Star team.
00:42:22
Speaking of Spencer, speaking of Dinwiddie, when he he got traded to the Bulls for Cameron Bairstow Classic and I was stoked, I was like did what he could play.
00:42:35
This is great.
00:42:36
I think he played on the Bull summer league team and looked really good.
00:42:41
And then we were done with them and he went to Brooklyn, where I got an up close and personal view of him on a regular basis, where I was like Now I'm reminded about this terrible decision that we made Teoh.
00:42:57
You know, I think that both cut in like, you know, like they waved it Like what? It's really frustrating.
00:43:03
Yeah, he's Zafon for you.
00:43:06
I'm gonna give you any constantly.
00:43:09
That's a pretty tough one.
00:43:10
Hey, you never know.
00:43:11
I mean, who knows? He's a free agent and this next upcoming year, so maybe it's a re union.
00:43:16
It would be bad for you guys.
00:43:18
Actually, I don't know.
00:43:19
He'd be good.
00:43:20
He'd be a good would work.
00:43:21
But, I mean, it would be an interesting fit.
00:43:23
The very least, um, let's get the other ones that you weren't wild about. Fit wise.
00:43:28
Yeah, man, a lot of these fits like I really like.
00:43:34
I don't like we talked about a little bit before we started recording.
00:43:37
Um, this is coming from the perspective that I had him number two on my board.
00:43:42
I had him number one for a lot of the year.
00:43:45
Like I've done a complete 1 80 on Anthony Edwards.
00:43:48
I'm out on him, i e.
00:43:51
All of the noise about him.
00:43:53
You bought it.
00:43:55
It's really scared me.
00:43:56
I don't know what It's just ah, guy who doesn't love basketball because he'd rather be playing football on wrapping.
00:44:02
Sounds bad.
00:44:04
He sounds 18.
00:44:05
That sounds sweet.
00:44:06
That sounds like me.
00:44:07
It does sound sweet.
00:44:09
I wish I could rap.
00:44:11
I hope he's good, but he came at Dame and Dame is actually a Hooper who could actually spend a little tough love.
00:44:17
You know, he's like That's like Dame is like, you know, like, have you not learned like did you not learn what Paul George did? In fact, Beverly did.
00:44:26
If you come from the throne, you best not miss right? Like you said.
00:44:29
But but the other thing like I don't wanna put put it squarely on Edwards.
00:44:33
The other thing, like Minnesota, also took McDaniels.
00:44:39
So, like they took both of the guys in the draft who have really high upside.
00:44:43
But the question is like, Oh, they also just don't like to play basketball.
00:44:48
And they took both of them like that.
00:44:52
It is strange to May that you just wanted the guys that, like, maybe like I don't know, that scared me.
00:44:59
I don't love the Fit for for either scenario.
00:45:03
Um, but there's not like a lot of guys.
00:45:05
The only guy I really hated was a core.
00:45:08
Oh, I didn't get the Jaylin Smith thing.
00:45:10
And it's not even from, like, oh, they reached for him because, you know, typically, like, if you really believe in a guy like, yeah, I get the point that, like, you can trade down and maybe get him later for something you know, less assets get whatever.
00:45:25
Um, if you like a guy, go get him but like this guy in particular is a center.
00:45:31
And, like DeAndre, 18 is awesome.
00:45:34
So, like, how many minutes is he's gonna actually be able to see the floor like, Who's he sharing the floor with? Like you're getting in? What has injury insurance? You're you're You're expecting him to get suspended for another 30 games for steroids or whatever.
00:45:45
Like I don't know, it's just a That was It's just weird from a fit perspective.
00:45:51
Just because I don't see how many minutes he's gonna get playing behind Aiden, I don't know that they sell.
00:45:57
They should have, like the Bridges for self like that.
00:46:00
I would have nightmares about that.
00:46:02
I wanted them.
00:46:04
I wanted them to take either, um, Halliburton or Kyra Lewis like I know that they know.
00:46:11
I understand that they got Chris Paul, but like Chris, Paul's old.
00:46:15
So it's not like you can't have somebody learn under him who has, like a lot of potential and, you know, fits well with your current roster on top of it.
00:46:24
So that's the direction I would have went.
00:46:27
But I'm not an M B a g m.
00:46:28
So you know E don't get to make those decisions.
00:46:33
Yeah.
00:46:34
No, I mean, I think they could have just used I mean, it's their teams pretty built, right? Like there that I don't think they need a ton else.
00:46:41
I like they obvious have lost you bre.
00:46:43
So I guess you would need maybe a wing, although they were fine without it.
00:46:47
But maybe somebody that comes in and defends just a little bit, like just a little bit more.
00:46:51
So that's why you know of a cell I threw out there? Yeah.
00:46:55
I love the self inadvertent as well.
00:46:56
That makes a little bit of sense just in terms of you know, what you're getting from him on all over, really on the court. But yeah.
00:47:02
No, I thought that was a puzzling move.
00:47:05
Do you like the maxi to the Sixers? I mean, I e my honest opinion.
00:47:11
I hate it because I like him a lot.
00:47:14
I know we obviously talked about this a lot last time, but I just I don't know when I'm going to feel like they have enough shooting around Ben and Joel like I get the Seth Curry thing is awesome.
00:47:28
And they're going to do a bunch of dribble handoff stuff with them Beat and Seth Curry and it's gonna they're gonna have their JJ Red**** there and Danny Green like maybe we have the year where Danny Green shoots.
00:47:39
Well, uh, that seems to be happens every two years, but maybe this is the year.
00:47:45
But like, outside of that, I still feel like they're a little They're just missing something, and it's like, man like that.
00:47:52
Weakness for him is going to be so much on display if he's, you know, the backup point guard for Ben Simmons, who doesn't shoot it all.
00:47:59
I don't know.
00:48:00
I didn't love it, but I think culturally he's gonna be awesome for them.
00:48:04
Yeah, I mean, culturally defensively, just from a like best player available perspective, like he's a E had 10th on my board.
00:48:13
And you know that Daryl Morey is a guy who just he likes talent and he'll they'll figure out the fit later.
00:48:18
Um, granted, you know, with that said he also loves his shooters.
00:48:22
Now the thing with Maxie is like, he didn't shoot it great percentage wise at Kentucky, but like he was a guy that was a shooter coming out of high school.
00:48:34
Great free throw percentage to We have to add that he shot like, I think, 80% from the line and the other thing like he doesn't need the ball in his hands.
00:48:41
He played so much off the ball of Kentucky.
00:48:43
And what's interesting is that he ran so much floppy, so much stuff.
00:48:49
And, you know, maybe Philly puts in a little bit of the JJ Red**** sets, and now you have guys like Seth and Naxi and Danny Green all running off those you know d A.
00:49:02
Chose withdrawal and be that, you know, you weren't really able to do last year, so that's so that's interesting.
00:49:07
And just from a talent perspective, um, talk about Danny Green for a second.
00:49:11
I hate talking down on because the Long Island guy, um, my buddy, my buddy, does installs at his house from best pie.
00:49:18
Um, but with that said, I just want to say we played his brother and his brother was in our league for the team I coach last year, and we smacked his team both both games.
00:49:30
So that's all I want to say on that Danny great brother there, Ugo Uh anybody else you're not thrilled about? Did you like the actual one? Um, I do like the actual one.
00:49:44
Just like it because he's a hard worker.
00:49:46
I'm like, of course, of course, Choose.
00:49:50
So like a Chua is like one of the guys that I think that if you actually were going to be like, Which guy is the bam like? I almost think there's some sneaky like that kind of potential and obviously going to Miami is gonna make that noise a little bit louder.
00:50:03
But he has.
00:50:04
He's really tools.
00:50:05
He he's really athletic.
00:50:06
He does a lot of things.
00:50:08
He just, like, plays a little bit out of control.
00:50:11
Um, like I did it.
00:50:12
Ah Spurs podcast last week and we were talking about him and I almost said that he was kind of like the big man version of like Lani Walker.
00:50:23
Ah, little bit where it's like, really fun.
00:50:26
Doesn't really athletic is going to do like some things that make you go.
00:50:29
Wow, what just happened? But then he's also going to do other things that you're like, Wow, what? Just you know, like he's going to do both ways, But I think just from a coaching perspective and like a pure talent perspective, like and the mixing those together.
00:50:46
I think it's awesome like he's gonna He's definitely a guy that will fit the culture as a worker and versatile player and and learning from SPO getting to play, you know, with band and learning from him.
00:50:57
I think it's, you know, an excellent fit for him, even if, like, you know, he doesn't stretch the floor.
00:51:02
So, like, you know, like or he shouldn't At least he might think he stretches the floor at times he did, but like he doesn't yet.
00:51:09
Eso like, uh, from a basketball perspective, I guess.
00:51:13
Like playing Bam and him together is weird, since we can't play two big men together anymore, for whatever reason, in the league.
00:51:19
But defensively they'll be able to guard, like switch everything.
00:51:24
Like, you know, he'll guard point guards, you know, on switches and stuff eventually.
00:51:27
So he's fun.
00:51:28
He's definitely fun there.
00:51:29
E o I I didn't I admittedly have not like I mean, scouted like I scouted e.
00:51:37
I've actually I've been watching some of his his high school high school tape this week to because he played with Cade Cunningham.
00:51:45
I've been starting my kid stuff, so he played with Cade.
00:51:51
So the one thing that like you wanted that that I found interesting from that in regards to him is he was, like, still a little bit out of control in high school, too.
00:52:02
And so it's not like a speed of the game thing for him, where he just needs to let the speed of the game catch up.
00:52:08
And like once, it'll slow himself down.
00:52:10
I think he just plays too fast, and it's not because everybody else is playing fast.
00:52:14
I think it's like a hymn thing, so he just needs to learn to slow down himself.
00:52:18
But it's nothing that I think is gonna like.
00:52:20
I don't think the N B A game is gonna be too fast for him.
00:52:22
So it's spoken, slow him down and try to figure out how to just make him play within himself.
00:52:29
Then I think you know, you get like a really good, really, really good player out of him, see, and I feel like that's perfect because that, like even looking at the way, Tyler hero, but like Tyler, hero clearly understood what his role is like you watch him defensively.
00:52:43
I mean, I'm not going to say he's this outstanding defender, but like the the lack of mental errors that he made compared to like what you'd sort of expect from a rookie in the Finals was like I thought it was astounding.
00:52:56
Almost like I just was like, e don't know, like just everybody understands what they need to do, what's expected of them, when to rise up with the occasion.
00:53:04
It's just they just have it figured out.
00:53:07
There's something There's something there.
00:53:08
And maybe this is just like I'm gonna do this every time the heat, select anybody I'm like, Oh, well, clearly they're gonna be Oh, the heat.
00:53:14
But like it is, it's I don't know, I I could see that being a good fit for him.
00:53:18
I thought they were gonna take Maxie.
00:53:21
I thought they were gonna take Maxie there, But But yeah, I think just from a positional standpoint, I guess they you know, they did have a need.
00:53:30
They didn't really have that second big right.
00:53:32
Like they were searching for it between Olynyk and admires Leonard.
00:53:36
They didn't have that second big to throw out there in the finals.
00:53:39
Um, So I guess maybe they're They're gonna try to groom him to be, you know, kind of that guy.
00:53:45
Yep.
00:53:46
Um, we didn't talk a ton about Kyra Lewis because my internet the crash last time, it was like, right when we got to this and I want to do it.
00:53:56
I want to do that before we kinda get this thing close.
00:53:59
I don't know how long we've been on, but yeah, let's Let's let's talk about him a little bit, because I I admittedly I I don't feel like I have an awesome feel for him.
00:54:07
And you are really high on him.
00:54:08
Yeah, probably higher than anybody on him.
00:54:12
I had a bit on my board on when I watched him.
00:54:15
I just said, Like, let me go check the mocks, You know, like the first time I started watching him, however, long ago, let me check the mocks.
00:54:21
Let me see the big board like, where is this kid rank? Because he's got to be high.
00:54:25
And it was like twenties, late twenties, maybe early thirties, and I was like, We're watching different games.
00:54:33
Like whoever is writing this like we're watch.
00:54:36
And it was like a lot of people were watching different games because this kid's game is made for the MBA.
00:54:40
Like, shoots it off like he's not just a speed guy.
00:54:43
You know R J.
00:54:44
Hampton is the guy that's blazing fast, but like you don't know what he's going to do with the rest of his tools.
00:54:50
Kyra Lewis was like, He's the guy that drives the car super fast but can control it.
00:54:55
You know, like he's he's going so much faster than everybody else.
00:54:58
But he's not going too fast for himself.
00:55:00
So he's able to make plays for other people With this speed, he's able to knock down shots, Um, like 37% from three off the bounce, like most of it off the bounce, creating for himself, not even, you know, in ISO situations.
00:55:12
Not always, even with a screen.
00:55:14
You know eso you can't kind of like meet him in the paint like you can RJ Hampton and be like, Well, he's fast.
00:55:20
But if you go under on screens, he's gonna knock down a shot and like if you're chasing around screen, he's gonna beat you with this speed.
00:55:26
So offensively I thought he was, like, perfect for the N B a game.
00:55:31
Now he doesn't have, like, crazy bounds for us, fast as he is.
00:55:34
So he's not like, you know, the deer and Fox type athlete where he has both, even though, if his speed might be comparable.
00:55:42
But I think that he has potential as a finisher, like he did show some craft around the rim.
00:55:47
Some touch around the rim with with both hands, and he has, like the euro steps And like, um, you know the speed.
00:55:53
You just can't teach speed.
00:55:54
And he has an elite MBA skill.
00:55:57
And not every prospect in this draft has an elite MBA skill. And he does.
00:56:01
And and that's to go along with the fact that he's skilled in other areas, too.
00:56:05
And, you know, the kid could defend.
00:56:07
I mean, I think he was like, first in out of the guards and block shots, and he's doing a lot of it from like, standstill, like he's a help defender coming from the weak side and swatting shots at the rim like he's staying with guys, you know, playing one on one and just getting a hand up, timing it right.
00:56:24
Like that's really like his instincts are really, really, um, good on that end, too.
00:56:29
So, like, I thought that he was just une easy lottery pick like I tweeted like, maybe a year ago that, like, how is this guy? Not a lock to be a lottery pick Now, I thought he should have been a top 10 pick.
00:56:41
I thought that, you know, he could have gone earlier.
00:56:43
There was a little bit of buzz that the Bulls were may be interested in them. They worked him out.
00:56:48
They think they had meetings and I was like, You know what? Like if they're going to reach for a guy, that's I've put, you know, my flag on on the entire Lewis, you know, ground.
00:56:56
So I wouldn't have hated that.
00:56:57
But I think that with the pelicans, his fit is fun.
00:57:01
You know, he's he's a guy that is gonna play with a young team that could get up and down the court.
00:57:06
So fun was ion, especially in transition and stuff like they're gonna be There will be fun that way. They're gonna be fun.
00:57:13
And like, even with Lonzo like Alonso is a guy who is good in transition, you know, And like Wando loves those baseball passes, Well, Kyra Lewis is gonna beat people down the court like he did that a lot.
00:57:24
And you in the MBA to So I think it's a really good fit.
00:57:27
Um, I you know, he and he's got he put on weight, you know, he's £10 heavier than the air in Fox when he was drafted, and part of that is because he had the extra time to prep with everything going on.
00:57:39
And, you know, the draft was at a weird time this year.
00:57:41
But, you know, that's the facts.
00:57:44
He's gonna be come in more physically developed, um, than and he's still super young.
00:57:49
Even though he was a sop****re, he wasn't old enough to get drafted as a freshman. He just couldn't.
00:57:53
He wasn't allowed, you know, like he wasn't allowed.
00:57:55
He, uh, he's a year younger than coal.
00:57:58
Anthony S O.
00:57:59
You know.
00:58:00
So even as as a sop****re, you know, he made a jump as a player.
00:58:03
He improved his skills.
00:58:04
He played in a good conference like I'm all in on him.
00:58:06
I think that you know, he's an obvious NBA player, and especially in this draft like and that's the thing, if when there aren't a lot of obvious guys, he seemed like an obvious guy to May.
00:58:16
Is he? What's he like? Is a playmaker like, Is he because they they're one thing I think they've missed, like they have the connector with Lonzo, but they don't have the guy like the I don't even know like the driving kick guy like, Is he going to fill that role? Because I just okay, it was a perfect fit.
00:58:35
He's exactly what they need.
00:58:36
So the the knock on him is that he's Ah, he's not the best decision maker, right? He doesn't He doesn't have like a ridiculous assist to turnover ratio or whatever, but like he made some really special passes.
00:58:50
He can make live dribble passes with both hands.
00:58:53
He made my favorite pass of the entire year like coming breaking guy down with no screen on the left wing.
00:59:01
This is against North Carolina getting into the paint, collapsing the defense and then whipping a one handed past with his left hand through multiple defenders to the weak side wing like a laser dime right into the shooter's hands like unbelievable path, like he's capable off some really special passes.
00:59:19
He's gonna look the MBA transition for any point guard is gonna take time.
00:59:24
So like his decision making might look iffy.
00:59:28
But I think that even a guy like Tyree's Halliburton's decision making might look if he at times as a rookie, it's just what is what it is.
00:59:34
And especially this year, where the season is gonna be weird, like some of these rookies.
00:59:38
Yeah, they're like, 11 days.
00:59:40
They're basically they're not.
00:59:42
They're going to struggle, man like, And not only that, Like the schedule is gonna be weird this year, right? Like that's the thing that we're that we heard.
00:59:48
Like there's gonna be regional games.
00:59:50
There's gonna be a lot of back to backs and, like under normal cir***stances, you know, rookies might not be on the scouting report, but if you go off in that first game and you got to back to back now, it's almost playoff.
01:00:02
Like where the team is gonna be like, Hey, maybe we shouldn't let you know Desmond Bain.
01:00:06
Get four open threes to, you know, like that's gonna happen.
01:00:10
And rookies, we're gonna have weird, wonky games where they're, like, great one night and and not great the next, which is typical of a rookie anyway.
01:00:18
But even more so this year.
01:00:19
So but, um, yeah, I love Carl Lewis game, and I think as he continues to grow as a decision maker, and obviously he's going to play with a good decision maker in Lonzo.
01:00:29
He's not going to be the guy he's not counted on to be the guy.
01:00:33
He's just gonna be a guy who could push the pace and get all of these guys running.
01:00:37
So I love it.
01:00:38
I absolutely love it.
01:00:40
Yeah, I like that, too.
01:00:41
And I just like I mean, it's, I don't know.
01:00:43
I think he at the more you talk about on the more it's weird.
01:00:46
Like we talk about Lemelle.
01:00:47
Oh is somebody that's like, You kind of want him to be on a baseline team where there's like no, like, it's just like it's his team.
01:00:53
I actually it almost sounds better that Kairos on a team where there's other pieces around him.
01:00:58
He's not unlike a team that's trying to compete right away, but it is like it seems like it's the right situation for him.
01:01:03
Yeah, it's a good situation.
01:01:05
I you know, I think I would, uh like, I don't think it's my favorite situation for him.
01:01:10
But it is when you think I also didn't think about him in that spot because I thought he'd go before that.
01:01:17
Um, but it's It's a fun situation for sure, And I think that, you know, he's gonna I think that city is gonna love him and there that's gonna be It's just another guy to add to a really fun league.
01:01:28
Past team.
01:01:30
Yes, it is exactly.
01:01:31
And I think, like, yeah, I mean, it's just it's it's gonna be It'll be easy for him to like, sort of play through these things when he's got two guys that are just gonna make things, you know, Just take this off this play.
01:01:42
Um, let's see Killian Hayes as the other one.
01:01:46
I wanted to touch on thes two.
01:01:49
I think this is I actually might have said this last time is like before we kind of concluded abruptly, was the Killian Hayes in Cairo.
01:01:57
Lewis So Killian Haze is an interesting one.
01:01:58
Another one.
01:01:59
I kind of like that. He's got his own team.
01:02:02
Yeah, you know, killing is a weird.
01:02:05
He's a weird player because some people love him so much, you know? And I think it started when Kevin O Connor, from the ringer had him number one on his board and it, like, totally like, who is this guy? And then, you know, maybe it's just because I'm although I'm not by any stretch of the imagination and Knicks fan, I am a New Yorker, all my friends or Knicks fans.
01:02:25
And I guess I follow a lot of people on next Twitter, like I've been very involved.
01:02:32
My cat.
01:02:33
We mentioned random, uh, I'm very involved Knicks, Twitter and like Nick's Twitter Frigging loves killing and hes.
01:02:40
But, like when I was getting intel from, you know, sources say that, you know, it was all like, Hey, we teams don't love killing Hayes as much as the Internet does like And I watched his games, and when I was watching him, it was after Kevin O Connor came out with his board and I was like, Let me see what the hypes about and I watched and I was like, Oh, I don't get it like I'm missing something because he's a guy that, like just he looks great and highlight tapes because he has, like, this incredibly special, um, you know, step back ability from, you know, a young kid.
01:03:18
He's a lefty. He looks like Daniel Russel.
01:03:20
He looks like Harden.
01:03:21
He's doing the sidesteps, all of this stuff, great footwork, blah, blah, blah.
01:03:24
But then you watch him and you're like, Oh, but sometimes his footwork is not special, like sometimes it's really sloppy.
01:03:29
And then you look at him.
01:03:31
You're like, Oh, he just like, bricked that wide open catch and shoot three and then put his head down and before he jogged back on defense.
01:03:41
So maybe he's not like like his body language isn't always great.
01:03:45
And then you're like, Oh, he's 65 and like I looked at his numbers on a spreadsheet, and he's 58% of the rim, you know, Let's say I don't know what the exact number is like he's a good finisher, but then you're like, Oh, but then I watched four games against athleticism in length, and he's getting his **** sent into the stands.
01:04:06
like pretty frequently and his shot altered.
01:04:10
And oh, he doesn't have good touch around the hoop.
01:04:13
Like unless he's getting to his floater little midrange shot.
01:04:17
He has trouble finishing, and I don't think he literally has ever dribbled with his right hand before.
01:04:22
Um, so I was like, I don't get it.
01:04:25
But with that said like, he does have the positive good out of the pick and roll, but not as good as everybody says, because a lot of it was not read and react.
01:04:33
A lot of it was like, This is the set we're running, we're running a wheel.
01:04:37
So when I hit the weak side corner, that's like the first or second option in the set we're running.
01:04:44
It's not like I have this special vision.
01:04:46
I see this guy out of the corner of my eye like Lemelle. Oh does.
01:04:49
I'm improvising like it's all based out of like this set was made to go there, so like it looks great in a highlight tape.
01:04:56
But when you start seeing it in a like full context watching the games and pattern recognition, you start going all right.
01:05:02
It's not a special as it looks on its surface in the highlight tape, but with that said, I'm not trying to say he's a bad prospect.
01:05:09
I had him, I think seventh on my big board because he's a really good defender, really good team defender, Good size, strong.
01:05:18
Does have the shot making ability.
01:05:19
I do buy it long term, especially as he continues to work.
01:05:24
He does have a good floater game.
01:05:25
He you know he will.
01:05:27
I know I just **** on his passing a little bit, but like I'm just saying it was a little overrated.
01:05:31
He's still a good passer.
01:05:32
He could still make those passes.
01:05:33
Um, but you know the concerns like he's gonna have to shore up those issues otherwise, like Detroit to place that you could just go to be in no man's land like, Yeah, well, he's also not, like, super physically gifted, either.
01:05:47
Like, that's It s so it's like So you better be really like you say D'Angelo Russell.
01:05:51
First, D'Angelo Russell did not pan out for four years and is a while, not cause, like, honestly, look like a sunk cause.
01:05:59
And it starts.
01:06:00
Even last year, it started out.
01:06:01
He comes out the first month and, you know, it's just like I guess, I guess this is, I don't know.
01:06:06
It's just dinner with his team now, like what's going on and it just clicks for him and it took a while, and I think a lot of it, just like he's not that physically gifted.
01:06:15
And he it was a comfortable ITI.
01:06:17
Think of rhythm thing.
01:06:18
He's finding, you know, the windows that he's finding and able, you know, just again.
01:06:21
Pattern recognition.
01:06:22
I think that's just started to come for him and he started, Understand? Okay, you know, this guy's gonna be open, and if I move this way or go, you know, basically reject the screen and go that direction.
01:06:33
So I mean, I I don't know.
01:06:36
I do kind of worry about that with Killian hazes like Man, it's really tough to be a point guard in this league and not be super physically gifted like you better be really special in a lot of other ways and like if the shooting isn't there right now because the under Russell's a shooter college.
01:06:51
Yeah, it's like if that's not there right now and you're not playing in a great league, either.
01:06:56
By the way, not a great league.
01:06:58
Yeah, no, it's not.
01:07:00
I don't know.
01:07:01
It's just like it is, really.
01:07:04
It's really like his floor is a lot lower than I think people realize.
01:07:09
And that's what that what? He was just really safe.
01:07:12
And he's He's not a safe assed People think as like a surefire because the his position is loaded.
01:07:19
It is just loaded in the league.
01:07:21
Um, and the other thing, like I remember I tweeted out one time like everyone says Harden.
01:07:25
Everyone says D'Angelo Russell.
01:07:27
But like, let's try to see him be Goran Dragic.
01:07:30
Now some people would argue that Dragic is probably is better than D'Angelo. Russell.
01:07:35
You know, when it comes to like, who would you rather have on a playoff team? Um, but I think you know, from a talent perspective, I think everybody would agree that, like Russell's probably the better prospect.
01:07:45
If you were to grade them out, just that baseline coming into the MBA, Um, and one of you know, a scout that I talked with sometimes he texted me right away after he saw I tweeted that and he's like, Dude, I love that comp.
01:07:59
That's great.
01:08:01
But Dragic plays with fire, and even young Dragic played with fire.
01:08:06
Right billion doesn't.
01:08:08
That's the thing he's like not to say he doesn't play hard, but like he doesn't have that like f you like.
01:08:15
He's very laid back to himself.
01:08:18
Um, and as a point guard, it's not like the best.
01:08:22
It's not a killer, you know, if you don't have that, you know.
01:08:25
But like, you want your point guard to be the quarterback who was like out there talking nonstop and and leading and organizing and and, uh, and firing your team up like you want that.
01:08:36
Like, I'm kind of surprised he isn't the guy that slipped.
01:08:40
Well, there was.
01:08:41
There was.
01:08:42
There were there were rumors, but there was also like he's been working out in Detroit with Will Barnum, and it was, like, kind of assumed that, like he might like.
01:08:51
Detroit might be the spot for him, so I wasn't shocked that he went where he went, but I kind of I really had a feeling that he wasn't going top four or like some people like he's gonna be the guy like that.
01:09:04
Chicago takes it for I was like, I don't know if they are e don't know.
01:09:09
So I'm not shocked that he went at seven.
01:09:11
I think it's a good spot.
01:09:12
Like I said, I haven't seven found my board.
01:09:13
You know, that's not That's not like to too far down.
01:09:18
Um, but, yeah, there is some question marks with him.
01:09:21
He's not as nearly a safe as people think he is.
01:09:25
That's interesting.
01:09:26
That that I mean, do you think would have been better for him to be in a spot where he's, you know, not the only guy there? Because it's like him Bay and I don't know, This is a Christian went back.
01:09:35
I have no clue.
01:09:37
Christian would said, like free agency starts tomorrow like E think he tweeted something like that.
01:09:43
You said it started at midnight.
01:09:44
I was like, No, it doesn't start at midnight.
01:09:46
I'm like, I don't know if you should be saying that information.
01:09:48
It says it tomorrow, so I don't know what's going on here.
01:09:53
It's got they're going to the NBA coming on.
01:09:56
Christian wouldn't for Danford.
01:09:58
Yeah, no, I mean I so I don't know.
01:10:01
It's Do you think it would be better for him to be around other players, like more talented players.
01:10:07
Again, like Phoenix is the obvious spot that, like I think, would have been really good for him because, yeah, be like the Alfa.
01:10:13
And he has a lot of guys he could create for that would have, like, really fit his skill set.
01:10:18
But then also, he could play off Devin Booker, too, And like let Devin Cook for for a little bit like Troy just feels weird, like again like they're a team.
01:10:26
I mean, new management.
01:10:27
I didn't love them taking, um, Isaiah Stewart as early as they did.
01:10:34
Like like, you know, people were like, Oh, maybe New York will take him A 27 initially on like that, like that was almost to reach.
01:10:44
And as I Stewart's a guy that I like a lot, but I mean taking them where they did that Zef.
01:10:50
It's tough because he's another guy that like I don't think we need to go to deep into his game.
01:10:56
But like you don't even know what he's capable of really defensively because they played a to like Washington play 2 to 3 zone like the whole year and in your big man, like not knowing what they could do defensively.
01:11:09
That's a question mark that I don't really love going into, uh, you know, making my 16th or 17th pick whatever it was, Um, but yeah, their teams weird.
01:11:21
I mean, they have psycho who's interesting, Showed some flashes, whatever.
01:11:25
I mean, I don't know the young guys with Derrick, Rose and Blake.
01:11:29
I'm sure they're probably going to try to trade Derrick for some kind of asset.
01:11:32
Um, Blake, I'm sure, could get moved if a team got desperate enough for they wanted to throw an asset in here there.
01:11:41
But it's just a weird team. I don't know.
01:11:43
It's not the worst spot in the world because it's not like he really has a ton of competition at his position.
01:11:48
And, you know, if they keep Derrick Rose, I guess he's not the worst guy in the world to learn how to play from, you know, former M v.
01:11:54
P uh, guy who battled back from all the injuries and stuff like good story players.
01:11:59
You know, young guys look up to him, but not the worst.
01:12:04
But it's also not like my favorite spot for him. It's interesting.
01:12:08
There's not gonna be a lot of pressure.
01:12:09
I think now that he went to Detroit, it's an easy spot.
01:12:13
For all of, like, the people who are all in on him to be like, Well, he went to Detroit.
01:12:18
So, like he didn't get a fair shake and kind of like, you know, just kind of slide into the background like he never was this popular on draft Twitter.
01:12:26
As as he actually Waas.
01:12:30
Well, I guess I guess drafted Or want to figure out what we're really what they're really sinking their teeth into.
01:12:35
Let me leave you this.
01:12:36
Why did Denny What did any slip, man? I don't know.
01:12:41
I really don't.
01:12:42
I don't even like him that much.
01:12:44
I personally, but, uh, I guess for those same reason, I guess you know a lot of the teams.
01:12:51
Yeah, I guess they had those concerns.
01:12:53
Maybe they had the concerns of his shooting.
01:12:55
You know that the same things that most people don't You know, I personally I didn't really have those concerns.
01:13:02
I did have the same similar concerns, um, to Killian where, like, Denny doesn't like dribbling with his left hand all that often, and that's concerning to me.
01:13:10
Um, but I know Washington's, like, not a terrible fit for him.
01:13:14
Uh, you know? Yeah, I like him next to Bill like that.
01:13:17
Simplifies things a lot.
01:13:18
Yeah, and like he honestly, like he can defend.
01:13:22
Like I know people don't think he can, but like, he's a smart help defender, he's in the right spots.
01:13:27
He'll he'll get blocks here and there.
01:13:29
Um, like, he won't be a defensive player of the year candidate like because he can't lock you down one on one.
01:13:34
But he's not gonna get cooked necessarily.
01:13:36
And he's used to playing.
01:13:37
He's used to playing with men.
01:13:40
Pros Got a ton of experience.
01:13:42
Um, but yeah, that's definitely a situation that I went, huh? Can't believe that.
01:13:48
You know, a team like Cleveland like would have been a way better fit in Cleveland than a coral where, you know, he could have came in, played some three, played some backup. Four.
01:13:59
Been a better playmaker than Garland and ***ed in like that would have been a good spot for him.
01:14:04
You know, a even kind of Atlanta would have been an interesting spot because he could play make and let Trey playoff ball a little bit.
01:14:12
So, uh, yeah, it's it's weird that he slipped.
01:14:16
I mean, I don't like New York.
01:14:18
I think again, with O.
01:14:19
B.
01:14:20
I think that was always the pick even, you know, regardless of who was gonna be there.
01:14:23
Unless, like, you know, one of the top three guys really fell, but yeah, he should.
01:14:29
I think he should have gone, you know, much earlier than he did.
01:14:31
Even with kind of the concerns.
01:14:33
Just cause the draft is this was a weird draft and there was no standouts.
01:14:36
And that's why Patrick Williams jumped up to number four.
01:14:38
Yep, yep.
01:14:40
And it's just the idea of Of what? He could be kind of transfixed everybody.
01:14:44
Yeah, I like Atlanta for.
01:14:47
For Danny, that makes sense.
01:14:49
It makes a lot of sense.
01:14:50
I don't know about bringing in another center e don't know about that one.
01:14:53
I mean, I think Capella will be moved.
01:14:55
It would be shocking to me if they if they didn't do that.
01:14:58
Unless they use him off the bench.
01:15:00
Capellas like he's the guy that, like, is perfectly adequate.
01:15:04
If he's your center, you know, he's perfectly adequate.
01:15:08
He's like Number 7/17 Best center in the league, right? Like he's not a guy.
01:15:14
You're worried that he's on the court, but he's also not a guy that you're like, Man.
01:15:19
Can't wait to go watch Clint Capela play tonight.
01:15:21
Yeah, that's not, but he's a guy that, like I'm sure they could get some kind of value for like, there's there's got to be a team that, like could use kind of the rim running, you know, kind of center there.
01:15:34
That's available, even if I guess a little pricey.
01:15:37
Um ah, come with, though, Like, you know, he look, they need defenders like John Collins is not.
01:15:44
He's not the guy who's gonna lock your your defense down.
01:15:49
He's not anchoring your day.
01:15:50
You know, there's question.
01:15:52
I have questions whether a Congo is really gonna be able to do that by himself.
01:15:56
Um, you know, I know that they have, you know, DeAndre Hunter and Cam Reddish, who are, you know, pretty, pretty talented defenders, and they'll get better as they get more experience in the league.
01:16:07
So if you you know, if your surrounding those guys or your surrounding try with those guys like I get the strategy and I get the Congo stuff.
01:16:15
Congo is one of the safest players in the draft.
01:16:18
High floor.
01:16:19
Um, not as high on a ceiling is that you know other people were.
01:16:22
But again, it's not like a terrible value, like that's what you're getting out of this draft.
01:16:29
There's, you know, there's there's no John Marantz.
01:16:33
There's no Zion.
01:16:34
There's no look, one of those drafts.
01:16:36
If you could get solid.
01:16:37
And maybe that's what Atlanta needs.
01:16:39
They just need solid like, Hey, we can't whip on this pic We took way, went away from the Luca route Cam Reddish showed some signs, but it's not like he's gonna be the tipping point of that trade.
01:16:55
Like maybe we just need to get a guy who's gonna kind of be solid and good for us, and we can take a shot even though you know we're sixth in the lottery.
01:17:04
You know, this year, right? Well, if they're also fighting for a playoff spot, too, So I mean, just having somebody that kind of you know what you're gonna get? I think that's a big appeal.
01:17:13
So, E guess that makes more sense when you explain it out.
01:17:16
It's just it's an interesting, like a positional overlap That just means they kind of need to get the cappella thing done.
01:17:22
Or they need Thio.
01:17:24
I mean, they got rid of what's his name, the center.
01:17:27
Completely like yes, dead them today, Thank you.
01:17:30
It's It's been a longer but but so that killer is up a little bit, but yeah, I mean, I don't know.
01:17:37
I hope the best for him because he's another guy.
01:17:39
Great story I get you know, you didn't have the volume one, but those little moments I know his story that i e forgot.
01:17:47
I want to say maybe was like, SB Nation or something.
01:17:50
Somebody did a really interesting profile on him earlier in the year.
01:17:53
Yeah, that I read.
01:17:55
And I was like, great job.
01:17:57
Pretty job.
01:17:58
Really rooting for him the for gotten the for gotten Chino Hills star? Yeah, it's so weird seeing the photos.
01:18:07
I'm like, Wow, I wish you know, little things.
01:18:10
We saw Chino Hills and I just It's so weird that somebody was in the background that just went number six in the draft.
01:18:15
Somebody had to be catching.
01:18:16
Yeah, weird.
01:18:19
It's super weird, but, I mean, it's it's funny how life works like that.
01:18:23
I wanna let you plug away anything you got coming out resting, chilling, man.
01:18:28
There's no time to rest the college season next week.
01:18:31
The N B a season, Ugo.
01:18:33
I mean, free agency is tomorrow.
01:18:35
Uh, start soon.
01:18:38
There's no time to rest.
01:18:39
Um, you can check out my YouTube channel if you want to check out any of these prospects.
01:18:45
If your team drafted a player and you don't know that much about him, I probably did a pretty in depth scouting breakdown on them.
01:18:52
So that's hard Would herald on on, uh, YouTube.
01:18:55
You could follow me at hardwood Harold on Twitter.
01:18:58
Um, you can get the pdf version of the hardwood, which is the magazine that I released, uh, about, I don't know, a week two weeks ago, something like that.
01:19:10
The physical copies sold out, um, so you could get the pdf version.
01:19:16
It's a dollar, which it's like, 44 pages, Something like that.
01:19:20
Um, it's got player write ups articles from from some really great writers.
01:19:25
Um, yourself included, uh, you know, interviews.
01:19:29
Um, just some other really fun stuff.
01:19:32
And I tried.
01:19:33
I tried to make it free.
01:19:34
The pdf version, Um, like a pay for you want pay what you want thing.
01:19:38
And they were like, No, it has to be like a dollar, or that's the cheapest ticket bay on the site that I'm using.
01:19:44
I'm using gum road.
01:19:46
And like eso, I tried to make it free.
01:19:47
I couldn't so dollars the cheapest I could make it.
01:19:49
So it's a dollar, But you get an instant download of the pdf.
01:19:52
Um, and that's kind of like, you know, the latest stuff I've been working on and the magazine is gonna continue.
01:20:00
We're gonna I think I'm gonna start brainstorming issue to ideas.
01:20:04
I think I'm gonna try to do it quarterly.
01:20:05
I think that's probably what will be the move, but yeah, it's really fun.
01:20:09
I did all the artwork for it, and it's like, really fun and vibrant and makes you feel like Nickelodeon meets Saved by the bell meets like Thrasher magazine meets NBA inside stuff like total like throwback nineties vibe the whole time.
01:20:26
So it Zafon Yeah.
01:20:28
I mean, look like I I was lucky to be blessed with two of the two little pieces of art that you put together, What, two minutes today? You said e mean magazines, magazines got, like time and working to it.
01:20:42
So that's what I'm saying.
01:20:43
So that's what you're getting right here.
01:20:44
If you're if you're listening to this, you're not gonna understand if you're watching this.
01:20:48
This is This is a slight work for him on this is better than anything I've ever done in my life.
01:20:53
Graphically s.
01:20:55
Oh, yeah.
01:20:56
I mean, you obviously huge fan of your work.
01:20:58
That's the stuff you do.
01:20:59
Scouting wise is great.
01:21:00
A great basketball mind.
01:21:02
Just Yeah.
01:21:03
I mean, keep doing what you're doing, and it's just a It's a pleasure to have you on.
01:21:07
My show is Well, is just be somebody that's a fan of yourself.
01:21:10
Yeah, man, I appreciate you having me.
01:21:11
Like I said likewise.
01:21:13
You know, I've told you a million times how much I love your writing.
01:21:15
I can't wait to read it.
01:21:17
Uh, you know, in the context of this season, which is just turn into total chaos from the nets perspective and like, ah, beautiful way.
01:21:24
Who knows what is going to happen from here with all of the Harden rumors and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:21:31
I really like the move they made in the draft.
01:21:33
We didn't even talk about it.
01:21:34
I mean, you know, they traded their pick and got Landry Shammond, which, um, which I look.
01:21:40
I thought he was misused.
01:21:42
He's a great He's a guy to play off of Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving, you know, run off screens do a lot of that stuff.
01:21:49
I think that's a really good.
01:21:51
And Steve Nash is a guy who knows how to use shooters.
01:21:54
You know, he loved his shooter has been his playing days.
01:21:56
I'm sure he's gonna be able to put him in position to succeed e.
01:22:00
I thought it was a great move, getting a guy who still on a cheap contract but is more ready to go than a rookie.
01:22:05
You're going to draft this year? Um, you know, I think when we talked about the Nets draft stuff last week, um, maybe it was three days ago.
01:22:15
I don't even remember what time is like Time is relative.
01:22:18
When we talked about it that we were like, Oh, maybe Desmond Bane could step in right away like that.
01:22:23
But Andrew Sham, it actually can.
01:22:25
We've seen it.
01:22:26
You know, we've seen him do it.
01:22:27
So I thought that was a great move by the Nets.
01:22:29
So, yeah, I'm excited Thio to see how you handle this season.
01:22:32
I'm sure you're going to have a tremendous amount of Yeah.
01:22:38
Yeah.
01:22:39
No, it'll be a fun year.
01:22:41
I'm excited for it. I'm excited for free agency.
01:22:43
It'll be.
01:22:44
Will be good.
01:22:45
I'm we're hitting that point a week.
01:22:47
I'm like, man, we got two more days of this.
01:22:49
Like s o.
01:22:51
I mean, it'll be fun, but I appreciate that.
01:22:53
Yeah, I'm excited.
01:22:54
I'm sure we'll be connected again.
01:22:56
Corey, my friend.
01:22:57
Thank you for coming on, and I'll see you around.
01:22:59
I'll see you soon. Probably.
01:23:01
Hopefully, man.
01:23:02
Hey, hopefully we can get this pandemic over with, and we can get, like, a beer or something.
01:23:06
I'm with that.
01:23:07
I'm with that. All right, We'll make it happen.
01:23:09
Thank you, my friend. All right, These guys.
01:23:18
Yeah, No way.
01:23:56
Oh,

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