SportsCastr - Basketball & More - EP 23: The 2020 NBA Draft Class w/ Corey Tulaba AKA Hardwood Herald
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In lieu of the upcoming 2020 NBA draft, Matt connects with draft expert Corey Tubala to analyze some of the potential options for the Brooklyn Nets at pick #19, before diving into the entirety of Corey's personal draft board.

Follow Corey on Twitter @hardwoodherald

Transcript

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you're listening to basketball.
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Inbar, a SportsCastr featured podcast with your host Matt Brooks.
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Experts from across the globe sit down with Matt to talk all things MBA from news and rumors to gain breakdowns and ****ysis, tune into the live stream twice a week on SportsCastr and be part of the conversation.
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But first buckle in for today's edition of basketball and more welcome everybody to basketball and more with your host, Matt Brooks.
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Things is, of course, a SportsCastr official broadcast I am joined by Should we just call you hardwood? Harold? What do you go by in the street? You know my name? Corey.
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Corey Taliban is cool, you know.
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All right, the you know, the hardwood, Harold, I was trying to do kind of like, you know, the old timey like the Boston Herald, you know, except with hoops.
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And I was like, Oh, I love a liberation hardwood.
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Harold, That sounds great.
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And then and then people on the Internet Internet thought that my name was Harold.
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Andi.
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I was like I was like, uh, maybe maybe the name was a little off.
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So that's why the magazine I just called the hardwood.
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I figured it easier Thio to brand it that way.
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Well, I'm happy I didn't call you like Harold or anything like that.
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That would have been just a rough start.
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I mean, I've had worse.
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I've, like, mispronounced somebody's last name or something like that, so that that's not a great look to start, but I think just calling you Harold E.
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It's happened.
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It's happened before, But, you know, my last name is hard to pronounce anyway.
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Severance, How do you pronounce it? I'm, like, get close.
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Yeah, your best.
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It's It's all good.
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Honorable? Yeah.
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I mean, Brooks is it? That's an easy one. I mean, I don't know.
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I haven't had anybody like bro Ox or anything like that.
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Like that would be a rough one.
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I think I would be offended in that situation like that.
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You should be offended.
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Mine, Like my name is my name is Lithuanian.
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So, like, I guess it is not like a typical you know, name or or country of origin to that people know the linguistics of so like, yeah, whatever.
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Get close.
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All right, I'm with it.
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So I mean, way came close.
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We hit it. Um, Cory is Of course.
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Just a draft master.
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I would say somebody that I enjoy your content so much.
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Your YouTube videos are fantastic.
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I would be lying if I said I didn't.
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You know, take some I don't want to say rip you off, but I definitely took a little bit influence when I started this new, this new YouTube channel a lot of the influences from you.
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So I mean, look like you're great at what you dio I am by no means at all a draft guy.
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So I need somebody to come in here and explain this to me and help me not look like an idiot for an hour.
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E feel you, man.
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Look, I'm super stoked that you're starting to pump out some YouTube stuff because, you know, I've told you before.
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I you know privately, publicly, I you know, I think you're my favorite writer, like, especially up and coming writer that z putting stuff out right now.
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You know, your you speak to people in such a way that, like you can learn stuff, but also that it's not feeling like preachy and lecturer like you're in a lecture.
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You know, like I get it. Like I coached basketball.
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I can throw out a million different basketball terms and sets and like, but the everyday person doesn't know it.
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So like a lot of times when I read stuff like that, I'm like, I get it, man.
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You know? You know what? The You know what a nisus like I get it, like, talk to me.
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Like Like, I want to just read something easy.
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And you managed to kind of bridge the gap of, like, the complicated And, you know, the everyday guys so well and, uh, yeah, so I'm a fan as well, man.
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So get that.
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Thank you for doing it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, that's kind of I don't know.
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It's always been the vision is like try to, like, make this stuff like fun.
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So it's not like so you're not still in the trenches with it? Um, I also like, I mean, look, like I pick up stuff all the time, like watching your videos.
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There's little things I'm like, you know, even today I was like, That's I'm gonna take notes for that, that Z something I should remember when I'm looking at basketball.
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So actually, first before we even get into this.
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Like what? Where did you play growing up? Did you? I mean, I'm like, on my absolute best day and shoes.
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I'm, like, 58 So, you know, I grew up. I played in high school.
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Um, you know, I was lucky enough growing up.
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I grew up on Long Island, lived here most of my life, and I got to play for in in middle school, um, coach named Jack Agostino.
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And he coached the Amityville teams.
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That one, like a million state championships.
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But he coached my like, a You travel teams.
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So we would like it to go to tournaments and, like, Villanova And, like, you know, all these dope places.
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Um, you know, he coached Mike James.
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He coached JJ Price.
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Uh, you know, he coached a ton of different, you know, n b A guys Division one guys he was coaching actually do one last year.
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But, you know, that's kind of my playing career.
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I played like club basketball in college or whatever, but I wasn't ever athletic enough or big enough for you.
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Talent enough to play at a high level.
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But I knew that.
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I thought the game at a high level, you know, And I had to because of all of my physical limitations.
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So, um, you know, that's kind of my background.
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I knew that. I wanted to get into coaching.
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I've been doing it for almost 10 years now.
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I've been coaching varsity basketball, so you know, the evolution into kind of doing film sessions and and scouting videos was super smooth for me because it's something that I had to do and have to dio.
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When I'm coaching, you know, I'll go to games and I'll either watch one prospect and try to figure out their tendencies.
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Or I got to try to figure out on the fly like, you know, the sets that these guys were running and it's not like it was high school basketball.
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It's not like I could go on synergy and kind of watch it back.
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I got to try to figure it all out in real time and whatnot.
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So you know, that has really helped me and given me a trained eye and then, you know, luckily, I also got to grow up working in music and and in fashion, so, you know, on top of, you know, the basketball stuff.
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I'm pretty lucky that I can kind of get the graphic set up.
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You know, based on the experience I had working to music, and Yeah, man, I'm coasting off your graphics.
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Eso uh, like it's the best guest ever.
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He just just sent me What? It graphically.
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That's it, man, We gotta make this look look good.
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That's what I tell Fake it till you make it, you know, You know, I mean, that is that's huge because, like, graphic design, you know, it's, you know, it's just such a like the stupid mean that goes around that graphic design is my fashion.
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Like I'm that guy.
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So, um, let's start out with that stuff.
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Since I know there's probably gonna be people watching right now tuning in just to hear about the nets, and then they'll click.
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Hopefully, they don't know.
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Hopefully do a good job.
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Stick around, figure out.
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Who do you got right now? We have a couple of different guys, that air sort of at that spot.
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But who do you like for them specifically? If they took that pic? Yeah.
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I mean, look, this this draft is so volatile in trying to figure out, like who's actually going to be available at their pick.
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So, like, I kind of made a list of, like, guys that I think are ideal.
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I got I made, like, a list of guys that are probably gonna be gone.
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Guys that might be gone.
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Guys that fit.
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You know, I went back kind of read the article you did for for the hardwood and, you know, tried to figure out what exactly the Nets are looking for, you know, in a in a prospect, because the nets are an interesting position.
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A lot of these, uh, you know, appearances I've been doing on podcasts and videos and whatnot are for a lot of the teams that are at the top of the lottery.
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You know, like so that's that's a lot easier, right? Because, you know, as volatiles the draft is, you can kind of go through that top 10 and and move them around with the Nets.
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You're at the back.
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You're the 19th spot, which is actually a pretty good spot to be in.
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But the nets are gonna be competing for a championship next year.
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You know, you have Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving.
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You know, if you're not competing for a championship, I think that you know the fan base, the team.
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The players would probably be somewhat disappointed, right? Um, so I think that they're in an interesting position that luckily where they're at, there's a lot of ready to go guys.
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And for May, I looked at this.
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If I was drafting for the Nets, I would want to take one of these ready to go, guys.
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And so, like, let's say Erin Naysmith dropped to the Nets.
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I think that would be an excellent fit.
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A guy who you can kind of see a little bit of Duncan Robinson in, you know, runs off screens, gets off the floppy stuff.
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Um, huge, big body, versatile 67 long wingspan.
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Basically the same size is like Andre Iguodala shot 52% from three on eight attempts.
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A game in 14 games got hurt, But I mean, if you're doing you know, 52% on eight attempts a game, even in 14 games sample size, you gotta strap on U.
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S.
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O s.
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So, like, to me, he's like, man, if this dude slipped that would be a monster get, especially because with his size and, um, I think he's an underrated defender.
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He you know, he struggles a little bit laterally, but I think it part of it was a defensive scheme where, you know, he was kind of baiting guys into the help.
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And, you know, his team didn't always get to the help spot in time.
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So at times it looks like it was his fault, but he was just leading the defense.
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You know, the offensive player into the defense.
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And, uh, you know, I think he's a pretty underrated team defender, so I think he would be, like, the ideal absolute get for them.
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But I do think he's gonna be gone before then.
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Um, now, maybe the Nets have, you know, a move to make where they trade up a little bit.
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You know, this is a weird draft.
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A lot of teams don't like the people in this draft, so they might wanna, you know, it might not be hard.
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You might have to give up anything important to move up a couple of spots.
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Let's say he dropped, you know, to 15 or something.
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Um so he would be like, I think, man, What? Again? But realistically, you know, I think that you're looking at a guy like Desmond Bane and Desmond Bain is like everybody everybody loves S e.
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I know I'm not alone.
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He is the belle of the ball man, because one he looks like a freaking linebacker.
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The dude is just Ah, Brickhouse.
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Um, But he's also, like, ready to go.
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And he's made out of the same mold.
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You know, he's He's not nearly as physically imposing from a like height and length perspective.
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You know, he actually is alligator arms.
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He's got a negative wind wingspan, and you know, he's 6465 something like that.
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So he's not necessarily that, like Wing that the Nets want to slide between the three of the four.
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He's probably going to be, ah, one position defender.
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Maybe he could switch on to some small forwards pending on the line up, but it's another guy who could shoot the **** out of the ball.
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You know, like this dude he is.
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So I actually hate his his shot because I think it's ugly, but like it goes in and it's not like it shouldn't go in it.
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It's not like super wonky, Um, but the way that he moves off balls, just it's so beautiful.
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He's so smooth with it.
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And a guy who looks like him shouldn't look as smooth as he does running off screens and stuff.
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You know the drawback to a guy that looks like him, who literally looks like if he had the ball in his hands, he should be a running back.
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Hitting the whole is he doesn't get to the free throw line it all.
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But if you're the Nets and you got Kyrie, Kyrie, Irving and Kevin Durant, you want guys who could space the floor, move off ball and kind of play like Joe Harris a little bit right? And especially if, like, you gotta tell me, feel me and what you think is gonna happen with Joe Harris.
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Um, I think if you could duplicate that or kind of get insurance in case that he leaves, I think that's kind of like a smart way to look and approach the draft.
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I first have.
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I think they're gonna bring him back.
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I mean, it's just like there's I haven't seen her like there's just nothing.
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That's they've been on the same page with that forever.
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And it's been like since last.
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I don't even felt like last offseason, so I'm surprised that it's really crept up like just the end of the day. I don't think it's gonna happen.
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It is interesting, though.
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If they bring him back, they give a major money.
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They get pain.
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Baines.
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Kind of like what a rookie scale like, if if it really works out, is he your rookie scale version? And then you could move.
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Joe.
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I know people are gonna crucify me for that because he's a fan favorite here, but it's an option.
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But it does like that's the thing.
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Like, Look, if you don't feel wild about any of these wings, you don't feel wild about bay.
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You don't because he's not great laterally, right? He doesn't move, which was literally Yeah, yeah, I mean, he's Look, I love city pay and he's a Villanova dude who I think all Villanova dudes are typically good pros.
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But yeah, he's kind of like he's just solid and everything.
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Um, I think he'll be a good defender because he's smart and he's like, you know, pretty solid build.
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But yeah, it's not like he's defensive stopper by you know, by any means.
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Sure, sure.
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So, like, if you And if you're like the Nets, like, why we could really use that guy.
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You're like, Well, what if we just brought in the best? Like if we just were over the moon about pain and and we just we need him here.
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We need him here at all costs.
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Bring him in.
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Hey, he's gonna play early on and like, you figure out the rest later and you just put it in.
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Stop Gap, guys, you go Fun, whatever.
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Whatever wing you want to try to find you West Matthews if he turns out his option.
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So you do that and then you can kind of, like, see what you've really got.
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At worst, you have to, like, you know, Joe Harris coming around a screen.
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It's screening for one another.
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Like it's just, you know, I mean, it's it's not the worst thing that have just a ridiculous offense, so no, I I don't hate that at all.
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And he's and I like to play making anybody else you like for the Nets before we kind of get I Really I think some people would say It's a little early.
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I don't I personally don't think it is.
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And I think I had him like 23rd on my on my board is, uh is Jordan Wara from Louisville? You know, he's kind of similar to bein in the way that he gets his offense.
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He could run off screens, hit spot ups, but he's another guy who's like 67 with, like, a good wingspan and like big body.
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I think that he needs to get in a little bit better shape.
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But the n B a level because he looks a little pudgy, Um, but he's another guy who's got a strap and is just like, ah, certified shooter with a resume to do it, and I think he's got a little bit off the bounce.
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You don't necessarily need it, but if it's there and you can attack close out, um, you know that ZA benefit to.
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But he's another guy who's got a little bit of experience and is gonna be ready to go.
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You know it it ZZ to say like take one of these young guys, these freshmen or or maybe Alexi poker chefs like it's easy to say, like toe try to get those guys.
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But look, man, the Nets are there trying to win a chip, and and there's a lot of guys who have, you know, the quote unquote potential.
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Um, that might be in that area who aren't gonna contribute, you know? And it's not like the Nets are are void of potential guys themselves.
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You know, they have a lot of young guys that you would assume they'd want to continue to develop, you know, on top of that.
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And so I think, ready made shooters who could playoff ball, you know, create Cem Cem space for for Kyrie and and Durant for when they're in the game and just play off him and simplify it.
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Rookies air bad.
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They're just like the best rookies.
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They're going to be bad next year.
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They just start, you know, like very rarely is John Moran coming in his Zion.
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Coming in.
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Is Luca coming in? It typically doesn't happen like that.
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Like even, you know, a decorated guy like R.
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J.
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Barrett last year, you know, across the pond, he was not, you know, excellent By any means.
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He certainly had to struggle.
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And that's the third pick and a guy who was like, supposed to be the first pick in the draft.
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You know, like rookies.
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We're gonna suck.
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So you know it's going to be easier to get a guy with experience who has a simplified game who could come in and kind of contribute right away, based off the skills of your absolute superstar stud players.
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Sure, and just somebody that's gonna come in and not really have to play that much.
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You don't need to worry about developing and you're like whatever. Well, three.
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And for 15 minutes. And if you're not, you're not good.
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Yeah.
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Um, let's pivot over to your to your board, which again, um, is And if you if you need to, if you need to pull it up by all means, we'll start with your number one.
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You have James Wiseman, who is all over the place.
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Yeah, he certainly is.
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He's all over the place.
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I like him.
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I'm a fan.
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Maybe that's because I watched your video.
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I like him.
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You know what the The video.
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It's actually like the shortest video I had.
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It's like five minutes because the only three games right I tried to add, like, you know, the McDonald's game, a couple of clips in high school or whatever by the time he gets drafted and plays an NBA game, he's so far removed from high school that it's almost silly.
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You know, the development that you get from that time, where he is now in this extended process.
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I don't I just don't need to see that.
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You know what I see in him is a physical freak.
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7176 wingspan.
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Like ridiculous standing reach.
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He's gonna be, I think at worse.
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Like his worst case scenario to me is like DeAndre Jordan, you know, like lob City DeAndre Jordan.
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And if that's your worst case scenario, like especially in a draft like this, where the worst case scenario for Anthony Edwards might be like Anthony, uh, Andrew Wiggins or, you know, the worst.
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Got some Wiggins Thio have to tell you the worst case scenario for Lemelle, A ball might be a cross between Jamal Crawford and Jason Williams like like for him.
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I think he's like his Flores safe and you know, it's weird to me because he did play three games and people are like, Well, he can't guard on the perimeter and granted, like two of the games that he played in are just like the team's he played.
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You can't take much from, but you could see how he moves.
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You know, you could see how he runs up and down the court, and it's so fluid for a guy his size, it doesn't make any sense.
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But, you know, take the game against Oregon, where he had to guard Peyton Pritchard on the perimeter, one of the best college basketball players in the country last year. Super shifty.
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And he's able to stay with him.
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You know, he's able to force him into tough shots and you know their possessions, where he's guarding one wing back to the other wing and then getting to the rim and protecting the rim.
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And even if you know the offensive player scored at the rim, he's still making it.
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They're all in one possession.
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So to me defensively, like the things that I think he's going to be capable of, especially in the right hands, is really special.
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And then offensively, I think he's super underrated.
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I think people look at him like he's just a rim runner.
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Um, lob threat kind of guy.
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But he does have, you know, a pretty fluid offensive game out into the mid post.
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And, you know, maybe he extends it to the three point line one day, But I don't really think that's important, you know, like I don't want Joel Embiid shooting threes.
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I know most teams Dio, you know, like maybe one a game.
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Fine.
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Um, but if he can get in the mid post and kind of play a little Chris Bosch, you know, little Raptors Chris Bosch s like to me.
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He's gonna be, you know, just a problem, because he's gonna draw so many free throws so he doesn't need to space out because he's gonna be efficient enough Just getting to the line, getting offensive rebounds, doing dirty work, on top of being able to step out, hit a little 15 ft jumper and and all that stuff.
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I think his talent pops off the screen and I think people are scared because they haven't seen him.
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You know, they look at Manuka Kung Wu on and they see this safe prospect who does all these things.
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If you squint really, really hard, he looks like bam out of bio.
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Personally, I don't see it at all.
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Um, but he's not the passer, not the fluid.
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He's not a fluid passer is not nearly his shot like people.
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For some reason, people have more faith in, uh, Congo's shot extending the three point line, um, than they do with Wiseman.
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But Wiseman's shot is like significantly smoother and quicker.
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Um, and I love the Congo.
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I'm not trying to bash on it.
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I think he's gonna be a good player, but I hearken it back to the 2004 draft with Emeka Okafor and Dwight Howard.
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If you just went on the college season, right, a Mecca.
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Okafor, coming off a national title at UConn, averages five blocks a game, one of the best college players you know in the country years, multiple years in a row.
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And then you have Orlando with the first pick and they take this high school kid from Georgia who maybe you might have caught a glimpse of in the McDonald's All American game because there's no YouTube back then and it was almost like go back and read the draft grades.
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People were like, Hey, why are you passing on a Mecca? Okafor for Dwight Howard, this kid we know nothing about when a mecca Okafor is gonna be awesome.
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And Okafor was a good player even before he got hurt.
00:20:13
You know that the injuries obviously derailed his career.
00:20:16
But a guy like Dwight Howard, a guy like James Wiseman, they have things that you can't teach.
00:20:21
You know that you just can't learn to be that big move.
00:20:24
That way you put him in the right situation.
00:20:27
He can learn the nuances of the game.
00:20:29
He's a smart kid.
00:20:30
He speaks Mandarin, you know, like conversational Mandarin.
00:20:33
He's not.
00:20:34
It's not like he's some like Problem child, right? He is a smart kid who's just this ball of clay and to me, it at his size in a draft like this, where there's nothing, you know, written in stone for success.
00:20:46
For any of these top guys, I think he's the safest bet with a ceiling of like an all NBA player.
00:20:52
The other thing about him is he plays a position where, like what he does and what he is at a very baseline is going to be like, serviceable.
00:20:58
Like if Lemelle Abadie doesn't figure out shooting, he doesn't.
00:21:01
You know he doesn't draw contact or it just really doesn't finish.
00:21:03
Well, the at the hoop at any point.
00:21:06
E don't know what you have like he's aware that what, like, I don't know, He's a very strange prospect for me and again, like I'm not.
00:21:13
I haven't been looking at these guys like day and day out, but I just looking at, you know, the league itself.
00:21:19
Like the players that I like.
00:21:20
I don't like he just if you take what Wiseman could be At worst, I do feel like it is a little bit higher at least than than what you're gonna get from Lemelle.
00:21:28
Oh, no doubt Lemelle Oh, to me reminds me so much of like one of the really hot kind of crazy girls that I dated in my early twenties.
00:21:37
You know that? Like when I look back, I'm like, Man, she was a lot of fun what happened? And then I start thinking and like I think of the 30 ft jumpers four seconds into the shot clock, and it's like when you know, that same crazy hot girl, like, got a little bit too drunk at the family party and started arguing about politics.
00:21:57
You know, like, that's kind of Lemelle a ball like the highs.
00:22:00
We're gonna be really high your butt, but the lows, they're gonna be super low.
00:22:04
I mean, the dude is like, he's just like an enigma, you know what I mean? He plays the way he plays. He's got no structure.
00:22:10
You know, I think the most popular kind of I have all these ****ogies that have nothing to do with basketball for low Melo.
00:22:16
You know, he's like he's like a freestyle rapper.
00:22:18
He could do so much off the top of his head, but like the dude, can he be Drake? Can he make a hit song? Or can he just, you know, can he just spit like off a beat? And that's the question with him.
00:22:28
Can he run an MBA offense for a battle rapper? That's what I'm saying.
00:22:33
Like you can't name one battle rapper that's has, like, a decent studio album.
00:22:38
That's what I'm sorry, sir, but that's about it.
00:22:40
Like you know he might have.
00:22:41
He'll have the hits on YouTube on house.
00:22:43
The highlights on SportsCenter.
00:22:45
You know he'll be in the, you know, those those rap battles that you'll see clips off.
00:22:49
But, you know, is he going to get a Grammy? You know, like, Is he gonna be Drake? I don't think that's the question with him, because if he doesn't, then he's just gonna be a guy.
00:22:58
That's like he one.
00:23:01
You're probably gonna have to pay him more than he's worth when his rookie contract is over.
00:23:06
And he's a guy that, like there's no middle ground, it's either, like, he's gonna be great because you gave him the keys, you put the right team around him.
00:23:12
You developed him.
00:23:13
You held him accountable for all the things that he needs to learn to be accountable for.
00:23:16
And he turns out to be this, you know, mix of Trae Young and Luca dance itch or he doesn't do that.
00:23:24
He does the complete opposite.
00:23:26
He has his dad go crazy.
00:23:28
He doesn't listen to the coaching staff.
00:23:30
He rubs the players the wrong way.
00:23:31
He shows no leadership ability because he's a quiet kid and you're left with a guy who there is just going to contribute to losing basketball and has to have the ball in his hands because you can kind of play him off the ball because you can't He doesn't do enough good things off ball.
00:23:47
Um, toe, you know, just kind of be a piece.
00:23:50
He has to be the guy, you know what I mean? So, um yeah, it's he's a He's a tough situation.
00:23:57
And pet, I personally, I would be petrified if if he was on the clock for May know, it's funny.
00:24:02
It is like a weird draft class where you are in a position where, uh, you know, you just like you don't really wanna be.
00:24:09
I don't know.
00:24:10
I wouldn't want to be in this top three and, like, even, you know, even out toe four.
00:24:14
I mean, I don't know.
00:24:16
I just I don't know what I would want to do.
00:24:17
And it's a tricky spot.
00:24:19
Edwards is another one where it's like, wow, like the highs air there, like it is really dramatic.
00:24:25
And it's like that guy like, no matter what he's gonna have place is gonna be kind of like Wiggins, where, like you have place where you're like my God did Andrew Wiggins, just like, finish over the top of overt of like, Rudy Gobert like that just happened.
00:24:37
And he's a freak athlete.
00:24:39
But the downside, you know, it z pronounced it is man.
00:24:44
And like, you know, he had that pro day, the clutch pro day or whatever on on ESPN or ESPN two, whatever it was and you're watching it.
00:24:51
And you're like, this is the dude that I'm gonna take number one or number two like he's jogging through, and it's like a one ano workout.
00:24:59
You can only take so much.
00:25:00
But it's not like he took, like, the negatives about him where he just kind of is too cool for school, turns it out on when he wants and flipped it and was like hustling his ass off, you know, like he was kind of just going through the motions, like, All right, this is a choreographed workout.
00:25:18
We've practiced it.
00:25:20
All right, I'm gonna take my jumpers.
00:25:21
I'm a jog over, you know, And that's the thing with him.
00:25:26
Like, who is going to select this kid and put him in a position that you're gonna hold him accountable? It's it's, you know, it's accountability for for him and mellow, I think.
00:25:35
And when you're investing in a pick like that, it's not easy for some of these guys.
00:25:40
Toe wanna be held accountable like the greats want people to hold them accountable.
00:25:43
But you know not to be like Old man yelling at the clouds.
00:25:47
But these are kids who come up in an AU system with coaches who just they're trying to get them to play for their AU team or their situation.
00:25:55
You know, they they're telling them everything they want to hear and how great they are.
00:25:58
And and, you know, I don't know if that's the best thing for all of these kids.
00:26:02
And he's one of these kids who kind of dealt with that.
00:26:05
It's gonna be a riel.
00:26:06
Interesting thing to follow, to see if he kind of goes in that Wiggins route, or is he gonna be the guy that people try to make him out to be following? And you know, the Tom Crean pipeline where he can kind of be Oladipo and weighed, You know, it's, um he's another guy who has the you know, that range of outcomes and He's another Get your get you fired guy.
00:26:26
You know, he is.
00:26:27
Is there a guy you can think of? Where it was like you had those same issues and it just didn't It didn't materialize in anything.
00:26:35
Yeah, because I I always think about, like, the flip side of that.
00:26:37
It's like, Oh, no, that was actually a really good thing that he didn't care about these workouts.
00:26:41
Yeah, You know what? I haven't really put too much thought into it.
00:26:45
Like who was known as this passive guy and or this, like guy who didn't who gave inconsistent effort and then just totally turned it on? I don't know.
00:26:54
There's probably the list I'm sure is Not long.
00:26:58
Yeah, I don't I don't know.
00:27:00
Um, it za tricky spot.
00:27:03
Your number four is by many people's evaluations a little bit more safe.
00:27:09
Yeah.
00:27:10
Feature is like, he's weird for me.
00:27:12
I also feel like a little bit to a degree.
00:27:14
I don't feel 100% about him.
00:27:15
And maybe that's how you feel.
00:27:16
Like about everybody in this class.
00:27:17
Is he a little master of none or my completely off on that evaluation? Yeah, he He is a little like, Oh, he's the guy that everyone's like He has so many tools.
00:27:28
Yeah, it's like, Well, which tool is elite like which tool is is he gonna be able to go to on a regular basis? Now, I do think to me like this draft is all about expectations, and I think that, like with Denny, I'm a huge fan, even though he doesn't have that like, elite skill, because I do think he is very skilled and tools and all the cliches.
00:27:52
But I also don't expect him to be like a consistent All Star, all MBA level player like, I think that he's a guy that's going to straddle the line between like if he's in the right scenario in the right year, like whole problem, he could make an All Star game.
00:28:05
Maybe he makes to, you know, um, he's just not, like, jump off the screen.
00:28:12
I do this well, I think that, you know, people worry about his jumper and his free throws and everything and, like I get it.
00:28:19
I'm not saying it's not.
00:28:20
I get, it's not.
00:28:21
It's It's a legit concern, but like I think if you watch him you could.
00:28:26
You could tell that, like his form is is fine.
00:28:31
Like, it looks good.
00:28:32
You know, it's not like this wonky shot that you're like It wasn't Lonzo.
00:28:36
You know, like, um so to me, I'm not really worried about his shot, because I think that he's a really hard worker.
00:28:43
He improved a ton after, you know, his team came back.
00:28:47
Um, from you know, the quarantine break.
00:28:50
Uh, you know, his jumper looked a lot better.
00:28:52
The mechanics, he shot it better.
00:28:54
Even at the free throw line.
00:28:55
To me, like the major concern for me is, if you're touting this guy is like a 696 10 guy who could make plays in the half court.
00:29:04
He's going to really have to work on his left hand as a ball handler.
00:29:07
Because if he goes, if he could get to his right, he could make every play in the book off the screen.
00:29:13
You know, he'll hit the skip pass to the weak side corner.
00:29:15
He'll find the roll man going to the rim, you know, pocket past lob.
00:29:20
He could do it all.
00:29:21
And you really see him shine in that regard in transition because there's more room on the floor, right? But in the half court, especially against MBA defenders and especially like this year where you know, the schedule might be a little weird and you might have, like, back to back games fairly regularly.
00:29:38
And teams, they're gonna be able to game plan for your weaknesses, right? They're gonna force him to go left like they're going to play him to the left.
00:29:45
And there were plenty of times, um, throughout his career, where he just passed up open lanes, going to his left hand because he didn't feel confident enough, you know, making plays that way.
00:29:56
So to me, that's his biggest weakness is his, you know, major concern.
00:30:00
And if you're looking at him like, hey, man, he's the next Luca don such because he's ah, European dude, who, um, you know, is a good passer.
00:30:09
You're gonna be really disappointed.
00:30:10
That's not him.
00:30:11
You know, he's a he's a guy that's gonna help teams win.
00:30:14
But if you place the wrong expectations on him, things can go south quick.
00:30:19
You know, I don't think he's Dario Sarich or Dragan Bender.
00:30:23
You know any Hilario his own? Yeah, like I don't think he's that he's proven he can lead a team.
00:30:29
He's proven that he could play off of, um, you know, better players in the Euro League.
00:30:34
You know, he played with a ton of prose Amar e new, uh, new Nets coach.
00:30:38
Um, you know Quincy A C.
00:30:40
I forgot.
00:30:41
Yeah, like he's that happened.
00:30:46
And that happens like it's like D'Antoni became a god.
00:30:49
I was like, I don't know what is going on.
00:30:51
It's a great It's pure chaos. I love it.
00:30:53
I freakin love it.
00:30:54
Um, yeah, man.
00:30:55
So I love him.
00:30:58
I think he's great if you know, I'm a Bulls fan.
00:31:00
So, like if the Bulls get him at four, I'll feel a hell of a lot safer knowing that they got him rather than you know, some of the aforementioned guys that we just talked about.
00:31:09
Um, because he does have a pretty high floor, I think, and especially for the Bulls, I think he'd be a great fit because Kobe whitened Zach Lavine, neither of them, I think you would consider to be a plus playmakers, and I think he would be able to kind of come in be a secondary playmaker and, you know, let them play off ball more.
00:31:25
And I think that the fit would be pretty clean there.
00:31:27
Um, but, yeah, he's just a guy that, like a long you tamper your expectations and you realize that like he's a guy that's going to do a lot of things, he's gonna help you.
00:31:37
He's a smart defender, Uh, and you don't expect him to be a day one.
00:31:41
You know, point guard who's gonna absolutely pick guys a part in the offense.
00:31:46
You'll be, you'll be happy with him, and you and I also think he feels like somebody that, like if he goes to a team with an established hierarchy, to a degree, I do feel like that could help him greatly.
00:31:56
Which is, by the way, there's a lot of the teams at the top, weirdly, are in that position where they have guys.
00:32:00
They're like gonna be taking care of the ball now if they keep the picks, which who knows, that's the That's the thing, right? The top might look a lot different on Wednesday.
00:32:08
Who knows? It's we got a long week.
00:32:10
Um, I want to go to like three I don't even know what to call them.
00:32:14
Bigger bodied forwards, wings, whatever you wanna call them, Uh, vessel on Patrick Williams and then a koro who are just three guys that I've seen all over the place.
00:32:25
You've got him in a certain order, and I just to take down You could speak out on one of the time you speak out.
00:32:30
I'm all at once.
00:32:31
However, you wanna handle this? Why do you have in that order? Yeah.
00:32:34
So, vessel I have ranked highest.
00:32:36
Yep.
00:32:38
Um, and I think it's because to me, he's like the most impressive wing defender in the class.
00:32:46
You know, he might not be as physically imposing as a core or Patrick Williams, but he is, like, long and lanky, and, you know, he moves his feet well, but as a team defender, like he is a genius.
00:33:00
Like this dude is always in the right spots.
00:33:02
He reads things way before some of the point guards read the plays.
00:33:07
Yeah, he's the only prospect in all of the breakdowns that I did that I started with defense.
00:33:12
You know, like I was that impressed.
00:33:14
I had to rewind so many times, did he really? I did that on your break and I was like that.
00:33:19
It was ridiculous.
00:33:21
Like he's just He's so much fun to watch defensively.
00:33:24
And the cool thing is that Florida State switched everything.
00:33:28
So he guard.
00:33:29
He was able to guard one through five, you know? And obviously he's not gonna guard one through five at the MBA.
00:33:33
But like in college, it's not like he was getting abused when he had to switch onto a big man.
00:33:38
You know, he was able to hold his own until the help came and he was able to switch again.
00:33:42
Um, but he was guarding point guards, full court, Like, you know, he's just like to me.
00:33:47
He's a Swiss Army knife, the epitome of like that, that lanky wing that every MBA team covets defensive that could just switch everything.
00:33:56
So that was like, you know, the major selling point.
00:33:59
But all of these guys that you mentioned are good defenders to me.
00:34:01
His offense, I think, is the most easily transferrable.
00:34:05
You know, I he shot 40% from three for two years, Um, in college.
00:34:11
Now I'm a little bit concerned about his shot and not because I saw the weird video of him, like to me.
00:34:17
I literally came out.
00:34:18
I was like, Are people surprised about this? Because I mentioned this in my breakdown.
00:34:24
You know, he does have that catapult shot, and his 41% is only on, like, 3.
00:34:29
5 attempts a game.
00:34:30
So it wasn't crazy volume, but, you know, he obviously is not going to shoot that ridiculously exaggerated shot if he was thinking about it.
00:34:40
He learned very quickly that that was a stupid idea.
00:34:43
So he just only it happened for false.
00:34:46
If we'd only gotten like a like first practice or he started doing that.
00:34:50
All right, let's not got bullied out of that one.
00:34:52
Let's chill out, man.
00:34:54
You know, he came out today and he was like, Yeah, you know, it's That was just a weird clip, like we were messing around, whatever.
00:35:00
But I think that he's a guy that, like, can kind of be, you know, your modern day like Well, dang Tayshaun Prince, kind of the guy that you could fit into any offense can do a little bit of everything.
00:35:12
Like he's got like, a little off the bounce game, but you don't expect it.
00:35:15
You know he's really gonna be a one to dribble pullup guy who you know, attacking close out.
00:35:20
He'll he'll kill in transition, you know, running the wings, either spacing out or or cutting to the hoop.
00:35:25
Um, it's just simple, right? Like I don't think he's, you know, some people would be like, Oh, he's kind.
00:35:31
Maybe he'll be like Paul George, you know, he's not going to be, You know, he doesn't have that dribble. He doesn't have the handle.
00:35:36
And I think there's a hand, many steps to get there.
00:35:39
He was like my thing, my thing with people when like you're talking about how like this player will improve their handle tremendous, like the handle is probably the hardest thing that you can work on at like a high level, like at this point in your career.
00:35:50
In your life, you either have like that shake and wiggle or you don't you know what I mean? Like you can't work to be Kyrie Irving as a ball handler.
00:35:58
You can't You can't work to be Lemelle.
00:36:00
A ball is a ball handler.
00:36:01
It's It's almost like a natural talent so he's not like going to dribble the ball of his foot.
00:36:06
But he's also not, you know, gonna take 15 dribbles and hit a step back in your face.
00:36:11
So to me, it's just like easy Fit could play literally on any team.
00:36:16
His shot is easy enough toe work.
00:36:18
With that.
00:36:20
I'm not scared, even though I don't think he's as good a shooter as his percentages indicate.
00:36:26
I just love his game.
00:36:27
He's just a fun player now, like a core o, on the other hand, who everybody loves and I like.
00:36:35
By all accounts, he's a guy that, like I want to love more than any other prospect because he does so many of the little things and plays so hard and is just a guy that like you want to root for.
00:36:46
But his shot is baroque and broken.
00:36:50
Now.
00:36:51
We haven't seen like anything of him since the season ended, so maybe he fixed it. Maybe it looks better.
00:36:59
I don't know that.
00:37:00
So I can't just go ahead and project that because it's not like he was a sub 30% 3 point shooter.
00:37:07
But he shot 85% from the free throw line so we can work at it.
00:37:11
He was a bad free throw shooter, too. Is like 67%.
00:37:14
And this is a guy who got enough attempts that it's not like, Oh, small sample size.
00:37:19
That's why it's low.
00:37:20
He was a beast getting to the line.
00:37:21
And part of that is because, you know, he has these skills like he's got He's a good ball handler, but not a great ball handler functional.
00:37:29
Um, he's a good play maker, but not a great playmaker.
00:37:32
But the MBA level, all the defense is gonna dio is just play off of him.
00:37:38
They're going to go under screens, They're gonna give him space, and they're gonna say, Hey, beat me with the shot.
00:37:44
I'm gonna give you five open threes after you missed the first two.
00:37:47
Are you gonna feel confident enough to take the third one? You know, so to meet its just a scary gamble because as good as he is defensively, like, if you're taking him too high, that's why I have him.
00:38:00
I think I have him 12 on my board.
00:38:01
Like if you have him too high, you're gonna put expectations on him there's that word again that that you're like, Oh, he'll be the next Jimmy Butler.
00:38:10
And, like Jimmy Butler, literally in an off season, cut off the Internet flu like the beach with a bunch of his friends and woke up at, like, four o'clock in the morning and did like three days to just improve every one of his weaknesses.
00:38:25
He's an out liar and, like a coral, has a great work ethic.
00:38:28
But Jimmy Butler has, like an all time work ethic and, like even then, like Jimmy Butler shot, looked a lot more fluid than, um, Corals ever has.
00:38:36
So I'm just worried that, like for as easily as you could picture him being Jimmy Butler, Andre Iguodala, he could just as easily kind of be like Stanley Johnson or Justice Winslow.
00:38:47
You know, like, and not to say that Justice Winslow.
00:38:50
It's not like a good player, right? He's somebody that I think you know, You.
00:38:54
If you he was on your team, you could find a good role for him.
00:38:57
He'll he'll contribute to fan will do some things, but like you're not gonna be like, you know who are building around Justice Winslow and he could easily turn into that.
00:39:05
And if you take him with a top five pick, like I'm really concerned that people are going to be like he is a building block instead of a piece to the puzzle.
00:39:14
That's why he that's why he scares me.
00:39:17
He's tricky.
00:39:18
I get a little bit of, you know, and maybe there's something about like the It's so hard to be.
00:39:24
It's just so hard to be a three and D guy and be so far off from the like that.
00:39:30
It's all hard at any other position.
00:39:34
I don't just something about it.
00:39:35
You're just you're supposed to be supplementary and it's so crucial that you're able to hit those shots.
00:39:39
I mean, like, even at point guard, you could sort of get away with it.
00:39:43
If you're really, really quick and stuff like that, because you can at least handle the ball and you know, either move it and stuff like that, it's not easy either, but no, it's it's really hard and your team has to start getting creative and, you know, do little things like, Are we gonna make you a What are we gonna do you? The next, Roberson, where you're gonna be a baseline.
00:40:02
Better it, Zeke, you know, like you're you're in a tournament. Draymond green.
00:40:08
You're gonna make him the screener and let him pass in a short roll, like, I don't know, Like then what do you do with your big man? He's six.
00:40:13
It's, you know, like he scares.
00:40:16
He scares me from that end because, you know, I just don't know if he goes too high or if he goes to like a place like Cleveland.
00:40:22
Like, when have they develop players, you know, to their fullest potential? And that's like a realistic spot for him.
00:40:28
If he goes to San Antonio, I'm all in.
00:40:31
You know, he'll work with Chip England.
00:40:33
Um and you know, he'll learn from pop.
00:40:36
He'll fit into three exact kind of player that, like the Spurs, love grooming.
00:40:41
And you know, his game will really, really expand in that in that kind of spot.
00:40:45
But to me, it's like spot expectations, the whole thing.
00:40:48
And and that's why he scares me, you know? And like and Patrick Williams, I have them a little like I actually have him behind a koro.
00:40:56
Um, but I have no problems switching them or whatever, because, like at least with Patrick Williams, he has, like much better size.
00:41:05
You know that.
00:41:06
He can kind of guard.
00:41:07
Probably like three through five.
00:41:09
Um, he shot a better percentage of the free throw line.
00:41:12
I think he he was like, He's a smoother shooter.
00:41:15
He's got like, it's soft, you know? It looks soft going to the rim, even on his Mrs.
00:41:19
Even though it's slow.
00:41:20
Um, his off the bounce game in the mid range area was way smoother, and he was able to get to it way easier.
00:41:28
Um, but it's like also, that was his main strength.
00:41:30
Offensively, I think, like outside of the hustle plays and like your I'm sorry, dude like an n b A coach is not giving a 19 year old rookie like four shots a game in the mid range area that you create for yourself like it's not happening.
00:41:42
So, like that skill doesn't really matter to me.
00:41:45
It's like it's projecting, like, can he turn that? Can he extend that? Um, but he is a guy that you could look at in a playoff Siri's and be like, Could he be on the floor in a Game seven and I think that you could envision him.
00:41:59
You know, he could be, you know, an O. J. A newbie.
00:42:02
Or, you know, he could fit onto like the Celtics and play with, you know, Jalen and Tatum.
00:42:07
Or, you know, he could fit on into a ton of different lineups is kind of like a do it all with Swiss Army knife defender who can protect the rim.
00:42:15
Um, guard your co wise and and LeBron like eventually, you know, when he's a grown man body.
00:42:21
But he's also 19, you know, down the line.
00:42:24
Um, but like he's also pretty raw and like he's very cool.
00:42:29
I like and demeanor where you're like, Is this dude playing hard? Because I think he's playing hard, but like he also looks like he's not playing hard.
00:42:35
But I know he's playing hard, so, like he doesn't attack the game with the ferocity that you want him to based on his athleticism and his his, um, you know his strength, but like he's not a guy who's not hustling.
00:42:48
He does.
00:42:49
You know, he makes winning plays.
00:42:50
He makes hustle plays and stuff. He just doesn't look like it necessarily.
00:42:52
And like, I kind of wish that he looked like it.
00:42:55
Like, I want him to just be like, screaming after he don't like, I want him to, like, show more emotion, which, you know Not everybody does.
00:43:02
But e think if he was more animated, I'd probably have him a little bit higher because it feels like he would take, you know, he would take that potential that he has, you know, by the Horns instead of like, maybe he's gonna let let it come to him.
00:43:14
So I don't know, he's a tricky one.
00:43:15
So I think that's a little legitimate knock that you could even say that about CO I this year, like you're like OK, this is the CO I team.
00:43:21
He's not like this team is built around him and they just like they played like they weren't they just It was a quiet team, like they had lapses.
00:43:27
So, like, I think that stuff is legitimate to now that's with him, is the best player, so maybe it doesn't matter as much, but I think that's an interesting evaluation.
00:43:35
He's a big riser right now.
00:43:37
It seems like like he just seems like to be the guy that everybody is, you know, getting higher on and stuff like that.
00:43:42
Is there anything that you think causing that or just think people are looking like big body guy? We can see what could be E.
00:43:51
I literally think it's because he has, like, awesome size and like he's got an awesome body and like he's at his size.
00:43:58
He's smooth, you know, with the ball on whatever he's got.
00:44:01
Like he's Tools e and all this.
00:44:02
But, like, you know, again like one of the names I've heard that loves him is like Detroit and, like, I just don't have confidence in that organization to develop them.
00:44:11
I'm sorry.
00:44:12
Like just looking at track record.
00:44:13
I know things might be different, you know, things might be different, you know, with whoever they have, you know, running the show now and all that stuff.
00:44:20
It's just like, uh, who was the last like young, athletic but full of potential guy that they just blew out of that last year, they literally did the same thing, right, like they took him, but like and he had his he had flashes or whatever.
00:44:36
But like, I don't I don't know eso.
00:44:38
He's a riser, I think, just because good, crazy athleticism, modern MBA build could switch multiple positions on defense, you could see him in a playoff.
00:44:46
Siri's you know, even if you know, I think he's gonna be a contributor, you know, at the least, solid floor.
00:44:53
And if every single thing clicks super high ceiling like another guy that like if you went to San Antonio, think that would be great, you know, um, but and and that's weird.
00:45:04
And it's weird to say, because it's not like San Antonio has picked, you know, relatively high or has this immense track record of developing.
00:45:12
You know, there draft picks past like, uh, Tony Parker and Manu or whatever.
00:45:18
You know, when the league kind of caught up.
00:45:19
It's not like they have.
00:45:20
They've had this crazy track record where guys were like, great.
00:45:23
I mean, you know, Derek White, fun player.
00:45:25
You know, John Murray, fun player, but it's not like they look like superstars.
00:45:28
So it's not a guarantee that if these guys go on work with Chip England, they're gonna turn, you know, the whole trajectory around.
00:45:34
But you know, that's the kind of the stability they need.
00:45:37
An organization these guys need in organization with stability.
00:45:40
And who knows if they're gonna get that? You know, different spots of the draft.
00:45:43
Like if if Patrick Williams goes toe Sacramento right now, like, does that sound awesome? Like, What are they doing? Like I don't know what they're doing.
00:45:50
It seems like they're getting ready to blow it up like De Aaron Fox is Seems like, checked out.
00:45:55
I don't there, buddy heels not answering phone calls like Who wants to go there? I don't know, like, and that's like a realistic spot for either any three of these guys.
00:46:02
So it's it's gonna be tough for for all three of them.
00:46:07
But I think the cells got the easiest kind of path to being at least like a contributor.
00:46:11
Yeah, and I mean, I do feel like two of these guys.
00:46:15
They're not good at the three.
00:46:16
Like if if you if you put a gun to my head, I just like, are we really going to see two guys like shoot the ball at a high level of these three? Probably not e.
00:46:26
You're batting like 30.
00:46:28
That's the thing.
00:46:29
Like a zoo.
00:46:30
Muchas you fall in love with draft picks and like this draft in particular, everybody has watched these guys for so long that people form like attachments.
00:46:38
You know, it's like you're in a relationship with these players and, like everybody says, this draft sucks, right? And we've just had too long of a time to evaluate them.
00:46:48
And typically, like, it's not like you go through the history of each draft and every, you know, player that had potential works out.
00:46:55
Typically, they don't you know, like if every player in every draft worked out, there wouldn't be enough spots in in in the NBA.
00:47:02
You need to expand.
00:47:03
So the chances are that most of these guys are not going to pan out.
00:47:07
Most of them are going to suck.
00:47:08
But, you know, these are guys that you look at, at least, and you say body potential, whatever.
00:47:14
If we're gonna take a chance on someone who's probably gonna suck, let's take a chance on the's athletic big body guys who you know, kind of fit the switch double MBA.
00:47:23
I really like Maxie.
00:47:25
That's you said God, I love guys that you fall in love with I don't know what it is.
00:47:29
I'm a big like Lowry guys.
00:47:30
So maybe that's why I also I like you.
00:47:34
You kind of had an anecdote that you say you believe the shot will come along.
00:47:38
I'd look up Kyle Lowry's freshman. Your stats.
00:47:41
They weren't great from three s o.
00:47:44
I like him a lot.
00:47:45
I mean, like, I get why you wouldn't want to pick him, you know, super high.
00:47:49
But I don't know.
00:47:50
Is there somebody I should feel like better about? I like Terry a lot, too.
00:47:53
I think he's like, those are the guys. I looked at him like.
00:47:56
I just feel like they're gonna They're gonna do something in the league.
00:47:58
I don't know what it'll be, but they just feel like they're going to stick for various reasons.
00:48:03
Well, im probably higher on Maxie than I don't know.
00:48:06
A lot of draft Twitter is you know, I haven't I haven't at 10, you know, I have a 10, and that's why I want to say he probably flirted with, like, the 5 to 10 range, like pre college season, like that's where he was coming in as, ah, freshman, I'd like to me like he his shot didn't go in as much as you'd have liked it, too.
00:48:25
But like his shot looks good there.
00:48:28
You know, I mentioned in the video, and you could tell that I love because he his video is the longest video that I did.
00:48:33
It's like 17 minutes long or something.
00:48:35
Um, but his shot is just like the release point is a little low, so he shoots it out and set up eso like when he's in the mid range.
00:48:45
It back rims, but, like when he's at three point line is a little short because of his release.
00:48:50
But all you have to do is move it up like his footwork, his balance, his release.
00:48:53
It's all solid, too good.
00:48:55
So to me, like when he gets to an MBA T if that team can make that click and he just raises the release point like a tiny bit.
00:49:01
So he shoots it a little higher and he gets a little bit better arc on the ball to be, um or consistent.
00:49:05
Um, you know, shot to me.
00:49:08
He gets the 36% you're looking at a guy who's who's gonna be a bucket in the league.
00:49:11
You know, he's a guy that you could see like great length, great, you know, body.
00:49:16
When it comes to strength, he's like 6263 whatever.
00:49:19
So it's not like he's, um, you know, super tall 65 You can kind of project him.
00:49:24
Thio do.
00:49:25
This will be a one or two position defender, but like I think he's gonna be a guy that we could look at and be like, Why did we let him slip like he's a Kentucky? He's a Kentucky guy to me, like I wish that he was able to play Mawr on ball at Kentucky.
00:49:39
He played so much running off screens off ball, they used Ashton.
00:49:43
Hagans is the point guard.
00:49:44
My apologies to Ashton Hagans.
00:49:45
You're a good defender.
00:49:46
But I did not like you running the offense in Kentucky.
00:49:48
Um, you know, I and I would have liked him.
00:49:52
See him, you know, like to see him in that role because that's kind of what I envision him as in the N.
00:49:57
B.
00:49:58
A.
00:49:59
You know, somebody who plays more on ball and whether that is like a guy off the bench who does it or it's a guy that you could actually be like.
00:50:03
Whoa, this guy's his shot translated.
00:50:06
Now he's averaging, you know, 16 points a game is a rookie like to me? He's an MBA player.
00:50:12
You know, some guys or college players.
00:50:14
Some guys are MBA players.
00:50:15
He's an MBA player.
00:50:16
His game was made for the MBA.
00:50:17
So and then you add the fact that he's a pimple on defense.
00:50:20
You know, he's a pit bull, that he's such a good defender.
00:50:23
Point of it.
00:50:24
I just I I love him, you know? He's there's a lot to like there.
00:50:27
And, um, I think that people are sleeping on them.
00:50:30
I really dio you look at like Chris done like Chris Dunn is the furthest thing from like like figuring out out offensively.
00:50:37
I'm sure you know, But I know like he he will have suitors this, you know, this winter, whatever it ISS what month or way, but he will like.
00:50:47
There will be somebody that will be like, this is the guy like and I look, I did a whole preview of Nets offseason targets.
00:50:54
I watched it.
00:50:55
Crystal was in their best believe it was the first name I brought up.
00:50:59
I was like because, you know, like, he just that stuff matters.
00:51:03
I really I really, really, truly feel like if you are at the very base line, you could be a total mess.
00:51:09
Offensively, you totally can't.
00:51:10
But if you just, you know, totally dig in defensively.
00:51:14
I just think that stuff sticks and it's you say, you know, take all the threes you want this Like, I still feel like maybe I'm being too old school in heart knows.
00:51:23
But there's gonna be a spot for you somewhere.
00:51:25
So I would just feel feel pretty good about him.
00:51:27
Um, who also we mentioned Terry A swell.
00:51:30
Yeah, I love Tyrell.
00:51:31
Terry, man, you know, he's, uh, booked up.
00:51:34
That's I don't remember where he did. He bulked up.
00:51:37
He's been working on his body a lot.
00:51:39
The cool thing about him is like, I'm not a big workout video guy, you know, You see a three minute curated clip and it's like, What are we supposed to take from it? But for a guy like Tyrell Terry, I actually took a lot because now he's dunking between his legs and like, ****ing it back like his athleticism, is noticeably different.
00:51:59
It's not like, you know, I get it like he's not dunking on a person, but like he's got hang time, you know, he's he just looks noticeably more athletic and stronger.
00:52:10
And, you know, he apparently grew, um, as well, so like now, if he's 63 you know, whatever he is, and he's actually a little bit more athletic than he was because it's not like he was a bad finisher, like he was a very good finisher in college.
00:52:22
I think he finished like, 60% of the ribs and like that, Um, because he's crafty, he's got good touch.
00:52:27
And, like, obviously, you see that all over the floor and his his shooting ability, um, and the ability Thio, you know, finish with either hand going at full speed in transition like the dude is a talented offensive player.
00:52:38
He's a talented score.
00:52:39
So, like the added size to me, you know, I had him 13th on my board.
00:52:43
Um and you know, I flirted with kind of even raising him higher because especially, I like I printed the magazine before.
00:52:51
I think some of these videos started coming out for a addition.
00:52:55
Thio from my boy.
00:52:57
You know, uh, so, you know, and you add to the fact that he's like a brilliant dude, you know, like, went to Stanford.
00:53:04
You listen to him speak.
00:53:05
He the kid knows what he's talking about.
00:53:08
Um, he seems like he's going to be baseline like Seth Curry.
00:53:13
You know, like like that's kind of like where you look at me like, yeah, if he doesn't pan out toe like, gets his peak potential.
00:53:20
Like he'll be like a Seth Curry like player, right? A guy who can kind of make plays here and there.
00:53:24
But he's just gonna be a knockdown shooter, like either off ball or on ball.
00:53:29
So there's a spot in the league for that. Like you mentioned with the defense.
00:53:32
Like you'll find a spot in your like, if you could shoot like that, a team's going to want you, you know, and and especially like, it's not like he's gonna be Jimmer who doesn't accept his role.
00:53:41
You know, like your he's a kid who's gonna accept his role if he's not gifted.
00:53:45
The starting spot, Um, and honestly, man like he's a guy who may be available at the Nets pick and like, you know, I said, like, ready made guys or whatever he to me is like one of the younger guys like he and Maxie.
00:53:56
If they both felt toe the nets spot like, Oh my God, I'd be insufferable, you know, like those were guys that like you, you really think about taking either one of them because I think they bring enough positives that, like they could contribute right away.
00:54:09
And they have the potential.
00:54:11
Yeah, I mean, and like that's that gives you a little bit of a bridge, depending upon what you want to do.
00:54:15
Now, I don't know.
00:54:16
I mean, I'm also I'm like, a big, like go all in when you have the chance, because you might never get it again.
00:54:21
So who knows? Like that 19th pick.
00:54:23
I don't know if it will be if they don't not using it, but regardless like that, I don't know, Terry is just I would be interested to see if he shoots up boards or anything.
00:54:33
Like or just on draft night.
00:54:34
It's like, Oh, I did not expect to see him where he was picked.
00:54:37
He feels kind of like the guy just because of like him.
00:54:39
And I guess Williams as well, Like the guys that are like, You hear all this, you just hear a thing you like, hear the buzz and it's just kind of like, What if that's I mean, I've heard I've heard as high as you know, Phoenix, Phoenix, You know, checking into him, you know? And that's the 10th pick.
00:54:53
You know, we've heard obviously, the last couple of days like Phoenix might be, you know, getting ready to make a move for Chris Paul.
00:54:59
So obviously, that kind of takes that off the table.
00:55:02
I think you know, E.
00:55:04
I liked him next to SDA, though.
00:55:07
Yeah, that's like a great fit's a great, pretty fun.
00:55:12
That is a fun team because SDA Congar twos.
00:55:16
Yeah, you know, he can kind of hand be the primary playmaker where Terry's kind of settling into that secondary playmaker role playing shooter.
00:55:23
If you wanted to, if you want to just be like, let's keep the let's have like an adult here, like let's do that.
00:55:29
That's not that.
00:55:30
I mean, look, there you go he's I guess he's fun.
00:55:32
He's fun.
00:55:33
And like, he'll be somebody that will go somewhere you'll be like, All right, I'm going to keep an eye out for this.
00:55:37
He's one of the guys I'm watching.
00:55:38
All right? As you can tell, a very abrupt outro.
00:55:41
Yes. This is where we're gonna be ending the podcast.
00:55:44
This podcast is, of course, a stream.
00:55:47
So when I lose Internet, I lose my podcast.
00:55:50
So I just wanna thank Cory for coming on.
00:55:53
This was great.
00:55:54
It seems like we're gonna be reconnecting next week, probably around the same time.
00:55:58
7.
00:55:59
38 to recap the MBA draft.
00:56:01
Actually think it'll work a little bit better just because we know exactly where guys air going.
00:56:05
We could talk about fit.
00:56:06
It'll be fun.
00:56:07
So again, Thank you, Corey, for coming on.
00:56:09
And yes, stay tuned for future episodes of basketball on more.
00:56:19
Yeah, Yes.
00:57:12
Yeah.

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