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Matt connects with fellow SportsCastr News host, Adam Armbrecht of LockedOnNets, to discuss the NBA's return to play for the 2020-2021 season. The duo share their thoughts on the plan itself, overview some of the hottest trades on the market, lay down their ideal Christmas slates, and give an early look into their 2021 NBA Awards picks.

Follow Adam on Twitter @AdamArmbrecht

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you're listening to basketball.
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Inbar, a SportsCastr featured podcast with your host Matt Brooks.
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Experts from across the globe sit down with Matt to talk all things MBA from news and rumors to gain breakdowns and ****ysis, tune into the live stream twice a week on SportsCastr and be part of the conversation.
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But first buckle in for today's edition of basketball and more Welcome everybody back to basketball and or with your host Matt Brooks.
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This is, of course, a SportsCastr featured broadcast.
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We obviously had a little bit of time between the last episode of basketball and more and this one like everybody else.
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Election.
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We kind of sucked up my life for, Ah, very, very long time.
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But it's nice to be talking Some basketball I have Adam are bricked of locked on nets.
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The locked on nets nets work.
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Should we call it that? Whatever gets the eyes to it, really, you know, eyes and ears. Friends.
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A swell is the one giant podcast, which is also another featured broadcast for SportsCastr.
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Me and Adam talk every single morning practically over on SportsCastr for their their featured news segment.
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How are you doing today? Do a good man into Sunday, and this is a nice switch up during the NFL season, when I'm one o'clock waiting for the Giants came to kick off.
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But because the MBA is now starting to round into form, there's a lot of things to kind of sink our teeth and on following said Check my mind out election stuff and now I get to dive all the way back in on sports full time.
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Yeah, it's nice.
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I mean, we they of course, the MBA had a news drop at, like the weirdest time.
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I feel like this last year.
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It's always been times where I'm like 0% prepared to really think about the next season, but they drop it like right in the height of when they're, you know, counting Philip counting Pennsylvania and everything like that.
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So we have a whole schedule.
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We have an idea, at least of what, the next couple of months we're gonna look like just in terms of the draft free agency moratorium being lifted.
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We don't actually have the schedules yet, which is a little bit unusual, you know, we usually get the schedule in, like August almost so I think they're just gonna drop that honest.
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Probably some point this week, but yeah, I wanted to go over the schedule itself a little bit.
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We have moratorium potentially being lifted on the 16th.
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So there could be trades made really, from then until the draft, which makes sense, You obviously wanna have the option to trade picks in a draft.
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That is unusual.
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I guess you could say that way.
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Also have the draft on the 18th.
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They're thinking about doing free agency on the 19th and 20th and then they have training camp December 1st, so immediate.
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And then we have the season starting itself on December 20 seconds.
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So immediate thoughts on this.
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What do you think of the idea of this schedule? Do you think it's rush? Do you think it's amazing? Did the n B a nail it? Just What's your overall thoughts? Of course it's rushed, right? Like like obviously obviously it's rush like, you know, I think you and I may be Uh huh.
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One of the worst idea.
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They seem to lock themselves into a MBA drafted, and because you did that that way, it's that that kind of put a kink in the middle of things.
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Yeah, potentially lifting the moratorium and saying, Okay, Yeah, today window here, You wanna flip Cem? Cem picks, especially the top of the draft is a couple of teams that could be interested in doing that.
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Maybe some names are gonna move here.
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It's interesting to think relatively how this short off season is going to impact those possibilities, but yes, it's very quick.
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It's very tight, and I also wouldn't be surprised this was a part of the not so behind closed doors negotiations between the players and ownership to get this thing back on track for December 22nd restart was saying.
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Then we got to speed this thing up, and then all these teams need to have an opportunity.
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We need to know who we're gonna be drafting, and then we need to know when we can get our guys onto a floor and start and start practicing.
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Either way, it's going to be rushed, but I think they're doing the best versions that they that they can so that teams can come into this season early and also as close to maybe what they would have looked like if we had a longer timeline leading up to it, say the following month, sometime at the end of January.
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Yeah.
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I mean, we've talked a lot about this on over on sport. We've done this a lot.
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It's been like my big talking point is three idea of this season and what it means.
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And I you know, it's weird.
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I'm not like I'm a LeBron fan, but I'm not like a crazy fan boy that, like, thinks the world revolves around LeBron.
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But I will say, like the interest in next year for me and a lot of ways is kind of watching how this next year shapes his legacy.
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So I was actually in favor of starting on MLK Day for a variety of reasons.
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Injuries.
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Um, there's just not a ton of time to build familiarity.
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Like even if they start on the first just in terms of training camp, you assume they're gonna have maybe a week, maybe two before they get into some preseason games.
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They're looking at having three or four.
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So for me, I'm kind of looking at that and I'm saying, man like I that puts certain teams at a disadvantage, especially if you have a bunch of roster overhaul.
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So take like the Atlanta Hawks, for example.
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They have a ton of cap space.
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They're gonna bring in a bunch of new players.
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They want to make the playoffs.
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That's kind of tricky for them.
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Well, then you also have the teams that made it to the N B A Finals in the Lakers and heat.
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And look, man, I'll be honest.
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Like there's gonna be a lot of interest in this.
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What this next year is for LeBron, like if he if he looks like he's kind of worn out and and they come out slow and they never really figure it out, that is kind of a shame.
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You know, it's the same way that, like, yeah, I don't know.
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It's it's I know the world doesn't revolve around LeBron, and it's also equally not fair to teams that have not played since March to have basically a whole year off.
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But I don't know, it's it's tricky.
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I the money talks more than anything and I totally get that side of it.
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But I really hope it doesn't hurt any of the interesting story lines or anything along those lines.
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No You know what I and I guess as we know, we both cover the nets.
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So returning players like that, they're going to be as healthy and fresh as they could possibly be in Brooklyn.
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And Katie and Kyrie.
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Those make for interesting storylines.
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Uh, you know, the health of a guy like Luca, Don check and poor Zynga's coming off of a surgery with the Mavericks.
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Their health coming into this restart can make for interesting storylines.
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Return off Curry and, you know, in a Thompson and the Golden State Warriors and what does that team look like? So there's actually potentially going to be a lot of really interesting storylines for the early portion of the season, which maybe makes it easier.
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If you're the N b A.
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And you're concerned about the world revolving around LeBron carrying the league season to season basis, you're gonna have a lot of interesting stuff.
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You're gonna have a lot of interesting topics to look at.
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And then some of these young team especially out West, that that made a case for themselves in the bubble that maybe they're trending up right now.
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So I think there's a lot of worthwhile storylines and maybe the N B A gets rewarded in that way off LeBron.
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Maybe a little tired.
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LeBron may not play as much early on in this season, and you can kind of test the waters on do some of these other personality.
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Some of the other storylines intrigued.
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The fan base is enough and interesting.
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You know, audience trial run almost like a year without LeBron trial run.
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Kind of, I guess, sort of similar to last year's playoffs when when the Lakers missed, it was kind of that feel like, um, that's interesting.
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I haven't really thought about it like that.
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Um, yeah, No, I I just think it'll be.
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It'll be cool like it.
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I would assume, you know, the younger teams will come out and we saw that in the bubble, and they'll just look kind of explosive and jumping from the start.
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So and I don't really think it will hurt them as much.
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Um, yeah, just I really hope it doesn't hurt any of the teams that advanced.
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And you know, a lot of times we put a little more stock into this stuff.
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Then I think, actually comes into fruition.
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So you know the main team.
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I guess you could make the case that the bubble really hurt would be, and I wouldn't say the Clippers, because the Clippers problems were very prevalent all year long.
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But I guess you could say the Bucks, even though we knew that was not really a favorable matchup in the year against the Heat, like it just it was something that they couldn't really crack.
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And that was, you know, on on full display in that bubble.
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So I don't know.
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I think at the end of the day, like the best teams will win. Ondo.
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We saw that the Lakers were number one seed and they went all the way to the finals and won it pretty pretty easily.
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So yeah, I mean, I think that in the end, that's kind of what you're looking at.
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I just you know, I'm sure we're putting a little more stock in this.
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That needs to be said, Um, let's talk about moratorium being lifted on the 16th.
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I wanted to talk about what's your favorite fake trade right now? Well, you know, it's funny because you had linked me up with, and I'll leave you to to remind everybody of the article that I was reading that you sent over to me, that I breezed past the actual, uh, author of that article.
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But when I got into the meat of it, So let's remind the people of that.
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But at one point when they started talking about the potential of you talk about fake like a real fake trades around, Yeah, listen, whether or not the Supermax and all those details that we know about, I didn't realize, like all of a sudden the Mavericks got slipped in amongst, like, the three teams that could be in the market for him to make a run for him That just popped off in my mind.
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As we've talked about Miami, maybe, and returning to the Bucks.
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Toronto has been thrown in there, but then Dallas, for some reason.
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When that name popped up there, it really triggered in my mind just Oh, that's a combination off slightly removed from the spotlight for Yannis.
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If he's not that type of guy, combining him with A with a huge, literally in stature and also talent in Lucca, that's a really interesting dynamic.
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So if you you know, one that got me excited.
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A fake trade of honest to to Dallas really was something I was like, Oh, that would change the landscape of the A and change the landscape of the West.
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I don't know how they pull that off because they dealt two of their picks to the Knicks on day after that.
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You're kind of running into the Stepien rule, and I just don't know, like, asset wise.
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Like I guess it would be poor Zynga's in that trade.
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So which I mean that you do 100 times out of 100.
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But I think it's, I guess they have to just clear way for cap space when he's a free agent.
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I thought it was interesting that there's a lot of noise that he really might sign the Supermax.
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Um, it seems like there's been a lot of that this week, and I hope he does it, you know what I mean? Like just because he signs a Supermax doesn't mean that he's, you know, going to stay in Milwaukee.
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But I do think like that would be cool if they really gave them an honest shot, and if they if they just can't build a winning team around him or make the right adjustments, then yeah, like he should absolutely asked for a trade.
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Um, I like.
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And this was one I talked about with Alex Regular, who covers the Lakers.
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We talked a lot about Victor all the deep out of the Lakers.
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That was no mentioned in this Zach Lowe article.
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Which is what? This That's what we what? What? You just referred Thio.
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Um, I didn't see that one list anywhere.
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That just makes a ton of sense for me.
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Um, it's really gonna be like a Kuzma and a Danny Green to Indiana for Victor Oladipo.
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Now you may say, Wow, the Pacers air really selling low? That's kind of a weird.
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That's just it feels like a weird deal where, you know, it's It's It's like you really are just getting that back.
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I mean, maybe you throw a first in there.
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I believe they have their own pick this year.
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So you could possibly do that.
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Um, I just like that trade a lot because, you know, even at a baseline of what Victor Oladipo is, I do think that he greatly he could bring basically the same thing at as what Danny Green's gonna bring.
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Like if he looks like you know, the star power just isn't there any more injuries have sapped him of, ah, lot of what he brings to the table.
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I actually think even at the lowest point we could get with Victor Oladipo, he's gonna be an upgrade over Danny Green.
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Um, so I like that a lot for them.
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The other thing is, if he starts to really start looking like himself, well, all of a sudden you have your third start, somebody that really makes sense.
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You know, it's a guy that can carry the offense when LeBron is off the floor, somebody that you could put on pick and rolls with Anthony Davis and and somebody that has is a solid spot up player.
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I mean, I like it a lot.
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It's It's scary for the rest of the league in Oladipo to a team like that when you talk about moving him someplace that you know, not low expectation, but just in terms off.
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There's plenty of talent on that, even in the top two players with Davis and LeBron, so you can come in all the depo and kind of low key surprise people with how effective you can be within that roster.
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So, to that extent, a comfortable landing spot like that for Oladipo, as opposed to some of the speculation about like him to the next day like yeah, you know, might be funny as a as a Brooklyn guy watching him go to the Knicks, but I think that that's a real dangerous spot to put him in where there's real expectations.
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He has to be a key contributor early on.
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For that team to have success goes where Lakers you could.
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You could take almost the entire this season to figure out how it all works and looks.
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And then, if you turn on your defensive upside and obviously, you know, kind of reclaim some of your shooting prowess, that could be a real weapon for for the Lakers in the playoffs.
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Unlike what it seems would be the diminishing Danny Green in terms of where he is at this point in history.
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And he's also a trade asset for them, like if he looks really good for the Pacers.
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I mean, people are out on Danny Green and I think a lot of that is just it's it's a lot of pressure to play with LeBron.
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He had a down year.
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Um, you know, if he and that's kind of how he is, like he just has years where he's not a good shooter.
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So for the Pacers, like if you really have a nice year with him, they have a new coach.
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I think they have, ah, lot of reason to be excited about this next year.
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Um, if you bring him in and he really looks great all of a sudden, you have a nice little trade asset or somebody that makes a lot of sense for you next to Malcolm Brogdon and just, you know, again, it's somebody that can play around Sabonis as that like Point Center.
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Almost so I like it a lot.
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I mean, I think that deal makes sense.
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It would be selling low if you're Indiana, and I think at that point you might as well just offer.
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You know, at that point, you might as well offer Oladipo the big extension, which I think would probably make a little more sense.
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But I mean, I like that I personally do a lot I also love the buddy healed for Al Horford trade that's been out there for a while.
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I just can really talk myself into that.
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Obviously, it makes sense for the Sixers.
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You have your JJ Red**** replacement as somebody who's going to run those dribble handoffs with Embiid and just overall really put them in a position where you know, they have some actual, you know, air to their sales from the three point line and then for the Kings.
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I mean, it just there a little rudderless like they are and, you know, having a presence.
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Calm down, calm down.
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You know, somebody that will, I think, control a lot of how things work.
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He should be playing center.
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He should not be a power forward, so it makes no sense for him to be in Philly.
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But, you know, have him as that back line run the defense quarterback that in a lot of ways, and then on offense because deer and foxes like an average to below average three point shooter, if you have him as a pop option for them, I actually think that makes a lot of sense.
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I just think he feels a lot of their holes.
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So I really like that trade a lot.
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And it zits not a new take or anything like that.
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But it just makes sense in the spectrum of of, of things, getting kind of floated out there.
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I mentioned over, unlocked on we're prepping up Cem Cem fantasy mock draft kind of content across the entire network.
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But one of the things that got floated out there into Brooklyn's landscape was this idea of swapping 19 and 10, uh, for Kelly uber for Spencer Dinwiddie as well as Nicholas Claxton.
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Now, I have my thoughts kind of on that.
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By the way, since this won't gild the lily on any of that stuff, I turned it down.
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But do you think you know how? How do you look at Kelly, you bray and then maybe even on the net side of things you talk about these moves? My initial thought right now with this restart is if one of the team that's gonna push the pause button, it's probably gonna be a team like Brooklyn.
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Well, we'll see where we are the trade deadline, but but jumping to make big moves right now in a tight window seems, ah, little bit extreme, You know, what does that value barometer look like when you talk about a guy making 15 million in uber different type of skill set than a guy making a million in Dinwiddie? How do you balance that? It's not even just this sample.
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It's like across the league.
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How do you balance what are marginal moves on a roster and you're trying to make them quickly, quickly on the fly? I'm not the hugest Kelly uber guy personally, so I think that's where I would have pauses.
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Just I don't Yeah, I just I don't think he's good of a defender is Everybody makes him out to be like that.
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Position is such a premium that, like if you have somebody that's like he's a good defender.
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But if you're even good, you are looked at as elite because your wing like it.
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It's weird.
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There is, like a sort of sense of like I do feel like that gets oversold a little bit, is how good of a defender he is.
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Um, you know, they did just fine without him.
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He's a nice old trans transition threat for the Nets.
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If he was to join, Um, that would be cool for them, but I don't know.
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I think there are other options.
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I would want to save those assets for it.
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Maybe just really lean into having a weird roster.
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I mean, you don't have to have the perfectly built roster. I think we saw that.
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I mean, really, with the Lakers this year, like that roster had a lot of holes.
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They weren't a great three point shooting team.
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Didn't matter.
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They had two of the top five players in the league right now.
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And if Brooklyn can capitalize on that and have you know, maybe not top five, but to top 10 guys, you know, if Kyrie can stay healthy, I don't know if that stuff matters as much.
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I think there are ways to figure it out and, yeah, I mean, I I wouldn't rush to trade a dignity for, You know, Kelly.
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You break just just yet.
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I do think there are better options at that position for them.
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Well, it's funny to just when you think about regards of those two teams.
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Specifically, we talk about swapping assets within the draft in this draft class.
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It's also kind of you go, you know, 19, up to 10, you go.
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All right, e mean, relative terms.
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Is that really moving the needle on who I'm targeting? And for teams, I think like the Nets and even for the Lakers.
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Like, you know, teams that are fairly well built, at least on paper, are coming off the championships. Potentially.
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They're far less concerned about immediate impact players through the draft, right? Like they're looking saying, All right, maybe we develop somebody over next couple of seasons.
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So that's what's interesting, too, because a lot of these speculative trade rumors are built around and then swapping assets here and moving things there.
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And you go, I really can't gauge.
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I can't judge it on the prospect of what if I have to look at what I know for sure to that specifically like Kelly, you go.
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Okay, sort of.
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Maybe, But if you're if you're Brooklyn and any of these teams go, I know what this asset is for us.
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I'm not entirely sure what a new incoming one would look like.
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So that's again, I'll be very interested.
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This stand jumped at the opportunity to move before December 22nd.
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Yeah, I mean, it will be.
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I'm just curious to see how many trades were made because of this window, like our team is gonna be less willing.
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Are they gonna be like, let's try to just have a much just as much, you know, normalcy is when we come into it.
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Well, eso And the interesting thing is, too, I think again, veteran teams that feel like they're pretty comfortable they're probably less inclined to make moves.
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Young teams like, let's say, the Phoenix Suns, right? Or even the King's you mentioned before, right.
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Like they may look to make a jump now to get Ah Horford to help stabilize their rosters your season.
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They could really hit the ground running and maybe make more headway early in the year.
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And that will be something that they can hang their hat on as they move through the later stages and still find themselves in playoff contention.
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Remember, they're gonna expand that little playing group that goes that as well.
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So there's reasons for young teams to try to find a way to blend in a little bit.
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Ah, veteran leadership, because that can move the needle for you especially if you have some rosters taking the first couple of weeks or month relatively easy coming out of a long bubble stretch.
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Speaking of bringing veteran helping, we talked about this probably.
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I mean, we've done so many streams, it's gonna be impossible for me to tell you which one it waas.
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But this was probably around.
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This might have been pre bubble.
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We talked a little bit about CP three.
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I think so, too.
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Things So the lack of bucks noise kind of tells me that they may not be rushing the process, which actually gives me a little bit of hope that Yannis really might sign that Supermax like it's like, Why are we rushing and bringing in a guy that really could decline as early as this year? Why are we bringing him in as this, like weird panic move? It just sort of tells me there's a little more confidence in him staying that I think maybe is publicly known right now.
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That's just and that's, you know, that's just me speculating.
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But I it does seem kind of indicative of that, because CP three would make a lot of sense for them.
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But he's also, you know, again there's a lot of downside with him just because of his age and injury history.
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I like the sons.
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I like the sons a lot.
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I still like it.
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You know, we brought up Kelly, you Bray, the Kelly You Bray and Ricky Rubio for CP three.
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And I know you probably have to throw another assets, but I like that trade.
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I mean, that's the guy that comes in.
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He's an immediate upgrade over over Ricky Rubio.
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Um, and he's somebody that you know.
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Look, they were just fine without Kelly, you break.
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They were like they really were in the bubble.
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And like he's a better player than Ricky Rubio.
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It's like I don't know what you're losing.
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It's not like you're completely upending all of your progress like it's like you can all of a sudden be the new version of the CP three.
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Hard and Rockets like you can.
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You can make it work.
00:20:45
And I actually think Devin Booker because of his abilities.
00:20:48
Two playoff ball.
00:20:49
It actually might be a little bit of ah, better fit almost.
00:20:52
I like that trade.
00:20:53
That's probably my favorite one of anything that I've talked about over the last couple of months just makes a ton of sense for me.
00:20:59
The interesting part about it is where the value and, of course with the contract CP three has has managed to shift himself and turn himself into actual real value for the thunder By having this season that he did were now all of a sudden the thunder, saying like No, no, we want something back.
00:21:16
It's not just us dumping the salary that that's insane to think about where it was at the start of this past year.
00:21:21
So you know that ideas first on the Milwaukee side of it, not a lot of conversations happening around it.
00:21:26
And then also to your point, that's not a risk that I think Milwaukee can afford to take of a potential downside of C P threes career coming at the exact wrong time when you're trying to win championships and and and then to that extent to like you've been really good in the regular season, I understand it hasn't played out so much in the playoffs, but you have one of the top two best players in the MBA, like you know, and you combine that with some of the pieces around, including Middleton and including having Brook Lopez like It's a really good team.
00:21:57
It hasn't panned out and also right.
00:21:59
So I like them standing pat there from the Phoenix Suns side of things, I guess the only thing that I would not even push back on it.
00:22:04
But what is your spectrum on age and skill set value between Rubio and CP three? Because I just don't like I know when you look at the thunder, go well, Look what he did like.
00:22:20
Look at the impact that he had.
00:22:21
Do you think that he really moves the needle and enough of away? Now, if it's moving off of Kelly, you buy some of that.
00:22:26
Phoenix feels comfortable getting away from anyway.
00:22:28
There's that element of it, but I don't know if that shifts them from being Ah, 10th, ninth seed kind of teams that where does that catapult them to? Outside of saying, if you get into playing games, you get into playoff atmosphere basketball.
00:22:41
You obviously can't rely on the leadership of CP three, but does he Phoenix's needle enough word? It's worth making that that that switch because It's essentially just saying You're getting him in, and once that's over, one that contract runs out, you're done.
00:22:55
Now you're looking around at that roster and saying, Where do we go from there in a year or two? Understanding? They're a young team and they won't.
00:23:03
And there's a little different world to me, even for Phoenix.
00:23:08
Yeah.
00:23:09
I mean, I think the thing for them is they have to show Devin Booker that they wanna win.
00:23:12
Like the bubble is great.
00:23:14
That's awesome that you guys want to know.
00:23:16
We've seen teams do this all the time, like the the Miami Heat from a couple of years ago.
00:23:22
They went that crazy stretch in the second half of the season.
00:23:24
Missed the playoffs.
00:23:25
Three kings last year.
00:23:27
Um, e guess two years ago.
00:23:29
I don't I don't know what I've always messed this up.
00:23:31
I'm like, is it last year? Two years ago? I don't know anymore.
00:23:33
What? Seasonal win.
00:23:34
I don't believe me.
00:23:35
2021 1920.
00:23:38
I'm like, I don't I don't know. Clue.
00:23:40
No clue.
00:23:41
So I mean, look like, Yeah, like the kings from two years ago.
00:23:43
Um, they really they're looking like a playoff team.
00:23:47
Wheels fall off a little bit.
00:23:49
Some of their I mean, just they look young down the stretch and the next year they come out really flat, Um, and and and don't really improve upon a really nice season for them.
00:23:59
So the sons had to be wary of that.
00:24:01
I think you bring CP three and, like, e mean look like those non Devin Booker minutes are just handled much better.
00:24:08
They're just gonna be in great hands.
00:24:10
And and I think you need to show him that you're willing to do take a little bit of a risk and and do something also, by the way, you bring CP three.
00:24:20
And that's huge for DeAndre like Huge.
00:24:23
Yeah, well, and I know that, like your your opinion on on 18 has shifted over over the course of this past year is well, which is important when you talk about value and feeling like what we have this position field.
00:24:32
We feel a lot more confident here that we did before the other.
00:24:35
The other interesting caveat I was gonna throw in is the idea of before when I mentioned that Spencer Dinwiddie kind of trade it doesn't even put in Player X.
00:24:43
That's similar in terms of stat lines.
00:24:45
But when you start to say CP three, when I look at Ricky Rubio with a kobo behind him there at the point guard position, if you could swap out having CP three with Spencer dimwitted behind him as your sixth man leading off the bench like if you can create a new dynamic at the point guard position, then I think it really jumps the needle.
00:25:04
So I guess that's maybe my 30.
00:25:05
0.
00:25:06
2 is Phoenix probably needs to make a splash, move like CP three and then something supplemental as well, because you still need a little bit extra dynamic there.
00:25:13
Especially if you're gonna talk about bringing an aging, you know, aged veteran like CP three.
00:25:18
How do you supplemented a little bit? And even if you don't, even if you were okay without Kelly, you a bray, you still need to replace him in some capacity to Right? And then I mean, there is the downside of like if CP three doesn't look good, like maybe it is smarter to just go for a din witty who, you know is not.
00:25:31
You're not worried about a decline like, but, I mean, yeah, it's it's a huge.
00:25:35
It's a huge boomer bus move like That's really what ISS, Because he's probably I mean, look, if he if he's a good as he was last year, he's the best player available right now for trade easily.
00:25:44
I don't think it's particularly close.
00:25:46
He's better than Drew Holiday.
00:25:47
He's better than Victor Oladipo.
00:25:49
You know if if Brad Bill becomes available, I mean, yeah, I guess I would take I would honestly think about taking sleep.
00:25:54
Last year's CP three over Brad Bill you.
00:25:57
But it's okay, because you but you mentioned Holiday, though like that has to be team specific, though, right? Like, you know, defense of holiday, you say, Well, if you're a team that Team X that really needs that defensive presence next to the starting point guard Boom.
00:26:10
Wow, this is such a lockup as opposed Thio CP three Effort not necessarily results on the defensive end, but if you're a team that says, What we need is a floor general traditional style point guard, then CP three is far and away the easiest move to go through.
00:26:23
The only other interesting thing about Phoenix, too, is we talk about getting to next year in that free agency class.
00:26:28
I also wonder if they tried toe, hang on and showcase themselves this year with Ricky Rubio and then look next offseason to say who's available? How can we bring in a piece or two and then take the jump going to next year? But listen, it's all risk reward.
00:26:42
And again, the 10th overall pick that Phoenix holds right now, that may be a very flashy asset for a team that wants to dump A You know it wants to double CP three and you go great.
00:26:51
I don't know what the 10th pick means in the NBA draft this year.
00:26:54
We'll take a flyer on a $40 million vet.
00:26:56
And by the way, we can also reboot this thing immediately next offseason if it doesn't work out.
00:27:00
Uh, yeah, I just I think, like look like if if they miss the playoffs, it's it's indicative.
00:27:06
I think it Zamora upsetting than e.
00:27:12
Just I think that's a really bad look for them personally, and I would do everything I could to make sure you know, even if it is kind of a risky move.
00:27:18
I would just do it like, I mean, what's what's I guess, like what's the downside is that he's terrible, but e you trade away valuable asset.
00:27:26
He looks like a disaster, and you finished 13th in the West.
00:27:29
That would be the ultimate.
00:27:32
But you are right, though, in that when you look at the bottom end of the West and who could make the playoffs that we know how heavy impact that that that that conferences.
00:27:39
But we talked about the Kings and you talk about the feeling like the Phoenix Suns are the prime team to solidify a playoff spot.
00:27:46
And even if over the next two or three years, that's what they were, an eighth or seventh seed in the West, that would be a real accomplishment for a franchise.
00:27:53
Has been, you know, lost in relative obscurity for quite a while.
00:27:57
Like up until this bubble.
00:27:58
I didn't really care what Phoenix has been off Thio.
00:28:02
Uh huh.
00:28:03
But e um, in that regard hey, just come in CP three and get us to the playoffs for the next two years.
00:28:12
Is that a big, big ask for three? Maybe this point.
00:28:14
But if you could do that, that is that That's always the barometer of Of what is a team around looking to accomplish right? What's your ultimate goal this year? That's relative to the moves you make a swell.
00:28:22
Yeah, I mean, look like if if CP three looks like he did this year or last year, What? I'm just never going to get this right, Whatever, whatever year it was where he was really good for Oklahoma City, Um, they are a stealth team.
00:28:37
I think that could Honestly, there's a chance they make a conference finals.
00:28:40
I mean, it's it's that feels like a little bit of a reach, but Devin Booker is There is a chance.
00:28:45
He's a top 12 player in the league this year.
00:28:48
He looked amazing and Chris Paul is like if he's your second option, you're in good hands.
00:28:54
You really are very interesting.
00:28:55
They're they're fun, like they're really statement.
00:28:58
You just made that they could not get made it like what's the? I don't think there's that much of a difference between those two.
00:29:05
I mean, Yokich is better than either of Booker and CP three, but things have happened, and it's a really balanced roster to like, if you you have a great center.
00:29:16
Good, good to great center.
00:29:18
You have CP three.
00:29:19
Whose awesome Devin Booker.
00:29:21
Some wings just, you know, short that bench a little bit.
00:29:24
Keeps our it too, I think makes a lot of sense to take some of those ball handling minutes.
00:29:28
They're really interesting.
00:29:29
So that's that's what I got right now.
00:29:32
Um, let's switch to Christmas games.
00:29:34
Um, I wrote down a slate.
00:29:36
Well, actually did this a couple of weeks ago, Um, kind of detail in a proposed slate.
00:29:41
Since that time, we've had some hirings.
00:29:45
We've had changes and organizations, and because of that, I've actually changed my slate.
00:29:50
I I have a different one now.
00:29:52
One team has risen up.
00:29:53
Another has kind of fallen a little bit, but I want to hear yours.
00:29:56
So what's your Christmas late? Five games.
00:29:59
Oh, yeah.
00:30:00
Now I need to try to think back because I tried to go away from when you were initially posted this up on Twitter.
00:30:04
I tried to go away from not not traditional, but like some of the norms right to create more dynamic matchups um, you know, I think one of the easy ones to look at was saying like, Well, wouldn't it be fun to get Brooklyn against Golden State? And I don't have that familiarity there.
00:30:19
Um, but there was a couple across conference ones, like, for whatever reason, there's some things off the top of my head, but like getting the Dallas Mavericks up against the Milwaukee Bucks like that excites me because you're talking about bigs in length and you're talking about the honest, you know, the athleticism of Yannis and that size of pausing is assuming healthy.
00:30:44
You know? Listen, we're making some some leaps there, but something like that kind of excites me.
00:30:49
So that's really where I go with a lot of these Christmas Day matchups.
00:30:52
Maybe shy, because listen, I know some people might say, L a L a like, let's get those guys back on the floor together.
00:30:57
Like I really don't care about that matchup on Christmas Day.
00:30:59
That really doesn't excite me as much as getting a Yeah, like getting like Show me Miami in that defensive prowess and pick them up against the Denver Nuggets like I like.
00:31:11
I like crossing the conferences on these games because when I got inside of it and you thought about the Boston Celtics against the Miami Heat, Yeah, I get it. And they came out of that.
00:31:20
Siri's together.
00:31:21
But I'm or I think what I'm or got excited by was, Let's look at these two conferences.
00:31:27
See teams that surprised us this past year and let's see what they look like.
00:31:31
You know, let's see what these teams look like taking each other on the other.
00:31:35
Big one, of course, was Philadelphia for me.
00:31:36
And that's one where I maybe get excited to say, Okay, you wanna go Philadelphia, Boston and I'm like, Great, let's go ahead, Philly.
00:31:44
You got your new head coach.
00:31:45
You're running it back again with all these same players.
00:31:47
You want to make a statement, show up on Christmas Day and knock Boston in the mouth.
00:31:52
A team that's kind of just quietly and consistently shown up in the playoffs year after year.
00:31:56
That would be a fun, exciting matchup for me as well.
00:31:59
I have that one.
00:32:00
I have that one.
00:32:01
I had the originally had the Celtics against the Nets, and I just Yeah, I saw that didn't didn't explain.
00:32:07
You know, the more I thought about it, the more I'm like, you know, I just It just doesn't do it for May I mean, I get it Like the Kyrie in Boston.
00:32:18
Thing is fun, but I don't know.
00:32:21
It just it didn't really didn't move.
00:32:23
Mia's much also had warriors, rockets and look the Rockets.
00:32:27
I actually like the sounds of their new head coach.
00:32:29
Um, there are very different team than they were a month ago.
00:32:33
You know, they have a new G m. Who is.
00:32:36
You know, I've heard some good things, some bad things.
00:32:39
It's mostly relates to experience new head coach who again? I like quite a bit.
00:32:43
But I don't find them to be one of the 10 most interesting teams in the league.
00:32:46
I just don't I wanna put the 10 most interesting teams in these games.
00:32:49
So I have Lakers Clippers.
00:32:51
Um, e just you know, it's the matchup get.
00:32:55
It's an easy pick.
00:32:58
Uh, Nets Warriors, I I agree with you on that.
00:33:00
I think that that should and I really think it it might happen, eh? So I have that matchup is Well, I have nuggets Mavs, which is one that I'm just wild about.
00:33:11
I just It would be a passing clinic that the Yokich versus Dante's thing is just awesome to me.
00:33:16
Um, two teams that I think are going thio probably be around the same sort of spots in terms of where they're gonna be seeding wise.
00:33:23
I really think that that could be like our three, you know, our three and four seeds and in the playoffs next year or something along those lines.
00:33:30
I wouldn't be totally surprised.
00:33:32
Um, I have bucks heat, which I want to see.
00:33:37
I want to see it because I wanna I really want the challenge for you.
00:33:41
Honest to come early.
00:33:42
Like I want to be one of the first games of like, All right, Have you figured this out? Like, do you know how to beat? Bam Obviously hasn't had a ton of time to really work on his game, which is, like the weird part, like our guys gonna progress as much as they do, you know, I guess season to season I don't know, but, you know, again, But also has had some time to figure out what he wants to do.
00:34:00
with that and they might be a trade like they really might have a new player there.
00:34:04
So that's interesting to me. And then I have Celtics.
00:34:06
70. Sixers.
00:34:07
Um, the Sixers could have a completely new roster.
00:34:10
I have no idea.
00:34:11
Daryl Morey has already very aggressive.
00:34:13
And that's a matchup like we were kind of robbed from that in this year's playoffs.
00:34:18
We were like 70 Sixers were injured.
00:34:20
They were out of sorts.
00:34:21
They had a weird gear like, You know, let's restart this.
00:34:24
Bringing a new coach, bringing Daryl Morey and add some excitement to this franchise.
00:34:28
And that matchup is perennially really fun.
00:34:31
It just ISS okay, so let's let's because I was This is I'm so good at multitasking all the way back on October 24th, by the way, when you first posed the idea of what do you want to see from matchup? So as I refresh my mind, would Lakers 70 Sixers entice you at all because that I matched up the idea of big, big players Anthony Davis, you know, indeed, you have bodies battling there.
00:34:54
You have a defensive player in Ben Simmons who could take on LeBron James like now you're asking a lot in terms of the health of the Lakers, but that's a fun matchup based game that I thought were really excited to see.
00:35:04
How the gate, um, the only other ones that jumped out at me and you talked about exciting teams were just talking about Phoenix.
00:35:09
I pooed Phoenix against the Warriors on Christmas Day, so showcase this young, talented team.
00:35:14
CP three sons see the CP three with CP three.
00:35:18
Now it's even a little bit more exciting, but I thought, you know, it's like a returning team coming off of injury.
00:35:22
So you're talking about the young, exciting team in the West versus kind of like the old guard that's trying to re establish themselves.
00:35:27
So that was the other one that really got out there for me.
00:35:30
And then I actually put in that scenario.
00:35:32
I put the Nets against the Bucks because again, I think that, actually, maybe is Maura's a Brooklyn Nets fan would be This barometer kind of test is saying, Here's this new looking roster, the impact of Kevin Durant at the four and how that helps this roster, obviously, But then you're taking on a team that has, Ah, perimeter shooting Big and Brook Lopez, right, that has length and size.
00:35:54
So that would almost be Maybe that's a little bit of a homer picking in terms of Hey, I want to see where we stack up into your point.
00:36:00
You want to test? You wanna test Yanis out early? Hey, here's a team that arguably is going to be right there for conference final appearance this season.
00:36:08
Let's see what you guys look out of the gates coming off of a bad performance for you in the playoffs.
00:36:13
You know, you wanna make a statement.
00:36:14
If you get popped, kind of you kind of get popped by the Nets, it'll be, Oh, my God, maybe we do it to make a trade.
00:36:20
You know, maybe we have a slash years.
00:36:21
They work towards the trade deadline.
00:36:23
Well, it's also fun because the Nets have literally never been able to stop you, honest, like ever.
00:36:26
So that would be a good test for them.
00:36:29
It's just like, Hey, what are you doing? Like Who's Who's guarding? Honest.
00:36:32
If this is a playoff matchup, I mean, I don't know.
00:36:35
I don't actually don't know who I would pick in that syriza and Or And Or Is.
00:36:38
No. One is no one guarding yachts.
00:36:40
And it's just a straight shooter, you know.
00:36:41
And it's just like, you know, let's light this thing on fire, right? Because Jared Allen was that matchup last year like that was the best thing that that's had.
00:36:48
And he actually was okay against the honest.
00:36:49
But like is even Jared Allen there? I don't know, like there's a lot that could change, like so I have no idea that matchup is fun.
00:36:56
I actually think if you're looking at anybody, that could give the Nets the most trouble.
00:37:00
I would probably say the Bucks right there is a team that, like you have, you really need to have somebody that's a big enough strong enough quick enough to guard the honest like you need to have that guy and the Nets are really sorely without that guy right now.
00:37:14
They really do, and it's it's a problem.
00:37:17
I worry about the Lakers for them to a degree.
00:37:20
I don't know who they put on.
00:37:22
I guess you could put Durant on Anthony Davis, but I don't know that's risky.
00:37:26
And then Yanis is even more of a big ask.
00:37:28
I just I don't know if I'm looking at any team that's gonna give them trouble.
00:37:32
I actually I got to say, like, it z going to be the books right now.
00:37:37
Um, I think that they're better than the Celtics.
00:37:39
I I I wouldn't pick the Celtics over them.
00:37:42
The Heat, I mean, look like I just don't They're they're a really great team.
00:37:46
But you know, I don't you think is there for the Nets, but the books are tricky.
00:37:51
You know.
00:37:52
That's what's so interesting, even about like a Miami team.
00:37:54
And it's not.
00:37:55
It's not just coming from from a next perspective, but saying Like, Boy, look how much you did defensively and at the same time, Kevin Durant.
00:38:03
We owe going together no matter what.
00:38:08
Now, can you shut them down for stretches? Certainly.
00:38:11
But that's why when you look over in the East, specifically, we talk about the Brooklyn Nets and and who is standing in their way.
00:38:15
As they approach this season, the Milwaukee Bucks are going to be the most difficult test, both offensively and defensively for the Nets.
00:38:23
When you think about a seven game serious, Potentially So that's why I just be excited to get a little tease of it and then say, OK, let's see how this looks over the rest of the year. Two.
00:38:31
Yeah, I mean, just Regardless, I think like the East is more fun right now for me.
00:38:35
Like I mean, the matchups bare the truth like I have Really? I just think the the East is weirdly more fun.
00:38:43
Matchup wise.
00:38:44
There's just a lot of teams that I think would go fun and and and be a fun matchup.
00:38:47
Head to head.
00:38:48
Um, I want to conclude on N B A awards.
00:38:51
This is really early.
00:38:52
Like I think these pics are gonna change for me.
00:38:54
One of them I'm so not confident about.
00:38:56
It's unbelievable.
00:38:57
And I will probably change it the second I start, you know, either doing some draft research or or, you know, because I haven't done enough right now, I'm gonna tell you right now I have not done enough draft research.
00:39:09
That is what I'm doing this week.
00:39:10
But some of the other stuff might change as well.
00:39:13
Eso I want to hear your slate, who you have for every single award M v p Rookie of the Year Most improved six man Defensive player of the Year, Coach of the year.
00:39:23
Okay, I'll start with M v P.
00:39:25
Well, yeah, OK, because that's you right there.
00:39:29
Guide me through this so I don't forget what we're talking way Talk about M v p. I.
00:39:35
You know, there's the obviously the obvious Ones that were there last year are going to still be there this year.
00:39:41
Yanis and it's gonna be LeBron and then probably Anthony Davis gets thrown into the mix.
00:39:46
Um, you know, I know that even like hardened gets got kinda gets put into it.
00:39:51
I dismiss him.
00:39:52
I also think that unfortunately, unfortunately, I do wonder if if LeBron James is just not going to get toe win another regular season MVP because he now has Anthony Davis with him and it's just addition by, you know, subtraction by edition of having that player there.
00:40:07
I I don't wanna go easy here, but I think it's Yanis again, like he still represents.
00:40:12
Like I know that the playoff I know what the playoffs make.
00:40:15
You take a second thought about him, but he is He is the most difficult player to guard defensively and also often, you know, and on defensive end.
00:40:26
He can impact games so well, I think I probably put him out front there, but my candidate is going to be a guy that is getting a lot of taste, a lot of flavor.
00:40:34
Right now.
00:40:35
I'll go with Luca because I think that Luca is now in the ascension position for the MBA and you talk about how we're gonna shift off LeBron.
00:40:42
I think Luca actually might be a really nice guy to build around the league identity.
00:40:45
So I'll go with him for every big I agree.
00:40:47
And I think that narrative is a big part of this award.
00:40:49
It, you honest, is actually working against the narrative this year, and Luca is in total like the narrative is so on his side.
00:40:56
I went into stealth picks.
00:40:58
Both of them are guys that I think has something to prove.
00:41:02
I have curry as my pick.
00:41:05
Right now, I just he's missed a year.
00:41:08
There's a lot of discussion about many other players that are not him, um, his team, I mean, look like if they're a top to top three seed like he's going to be the big catalyst to that.
00:41:19
And I don't know.
00:41:21
I've been buying the Warriors stock for really since, you know? I mean, I don't know.
00:41:26
Since what? December of last year.
00:41:28
I'm like these guys are gonna be great next year.
00:41:30
Uh, can you do it? So can you do it solely on his offensive performance? Because a lot of these guys I just think about and then what they also, you know, supplement defensively as well.
00:41:40
But you think just on the offensive end alone, he'll have himself strongly to that conversation.
00:41:46
Thinking could lead the league in scoring.
00:41:47
I like what happens.
00:41:49
E think he can to like, if that happens, like he's gonna be in the mix.
00:41:53
People are gonna look at that.
00:41:54
He's a He's one of the most memorable players that we've had, really, ever.
00:42:00
Um, he's a guy that completely changed the way the game is played.
00:42:03
I think a lot of people like I watched some of his highlights.
00:42:05
So there and I was like, This guy is awesome, like, I honestly forgot how good he is.
00:42:09
So, you know, I mean, because of that, I think there is gonna be some excitement.
00:42:14
He's not playing next to Kevin Durant anymore, which I think is also a big plus in his favor.
00:42:19
Um, you know, they're the underdog.
00:42:21
All of a sudden, they're not the favorite this year, so that really is an opportunity for him.
00:42:26
I also have quiet.
00:42:28
I have choir right now and I get the load management thing, maybe an issue, and and that kind of kicks kind of kicks.
00:42:34
The, uh It doesn't really help me all that much if he's resting games in the, you know, the schedule itself is compressed, but he's got a lot to prove.
00:42:43
I think he does.
00:42:44
He's coming off a really tough loss and was really bad in Game seven.
00:42:48
Like really, really bad.
00:42:50
Um, and and if he just he comes out with something to prove and, you know, I mean again, the health is an issue for him.
00:42:57
It's just like, can he play three games in four nights? E don't know, but that would be my stealth one.
00:43:03
I would probably pick like a Luca ahead of him.
00:43:06
I think that's probably the most logical pick, but I wanted to pick two stealth one.
00:43:09
So that's what I've got right now.
00:43:11
Um, it would be cool to just see him really kind of go forward in the regular season, which we really haven't seen him do since San Antonio.
00:43:17
So that's what I have right now.
00:43:19
But, you know, that's that's very liable to change, and it probably will.
00:43:23
I will probably get some news in a couple of weeks and, like, I don't know why I picked Hawaii.
00:43:26
That was really dumb.
00:43:27
So So that's That's where I'm at right now.
00:43:30
Play 40 games this season.
00:43:32
Yeah, like he's just like it will come out will be like.
00:43:34
But I mean, look like I don't know if they could do what they did last year with resting their guys as much as they did.
00:43:39
I just couldn't clear reality.
00:43:40
If if you want to create continuity and be ready to go, come playoff time, you can't do this thing where you go.
00:43:45
We totally don't care about the regular season.
00:43:47
Lakers did that with a lot of pieces, but not with LeBron James.
00:43:50
LeBron James was locked in all year long.
00:43:52
Yep, yep, I think it's That's a really bad precedent for the rest of the team.
00:43:55
I think that's why a lot of guys looked like they were quitting.
00:43:58
It's like, you know what? Like these guys have had to show up every single night, and they have their two best players just, you know, being like, Yeah, I don't feel like playing today.
00:44:04
I don't know.
00:44:05
It just it seems like it's a bad environment like it Z not showing. I don't know.
00:44:09
It's so I'm I I think that that would be the obvious adjustment.
00:44:13
Now we'll see if he does that.
00:44:14
If he doesn't, then you know, not only is he not gonna win M V P, but I don't think they're gonna be.
00:44:19
I just don't think they're gonna be very good like they might be.
00:44:22
They have a lot of talent, but you can fall.
00:44:24
You can fall quick out west.
00:44:25
There you can fall from from one or 2 to 4 or five in the blink of an eye. Yep.
00:44:29
Yep.
00:44:30
With the rise of the Nuggets and the Mavs, and I think the warriors will be in the mix like they have to be.
00:44:36
Yeah, the rockets.
00:44:38
You never know, ****.
00:44:39
Maybe this is what they needed.
00:44:40
They want to use hard enough ball a little bit more, which I think is smart, so it's a lot can change.
00:44:45
I think they need to be careful and not come into this next season is like, Oh, we're the obvious favorites because that shot them in the foot um, Rookie of the year.
00:44:53
This is what I'm like.
00:44:54
I have no idea.
00:44:56
I better go ahead.
00:44:57
I picked overtopping and I just It's because I think he's really ready to be a weird player toe win.
00:45:01
Like I do feel like it's kind of a guard's league in a lot of ways.
00:45:04
But I I just have him.
00:45:06
He seems safe and and his polished right now.
00:45:08
So that's what I have at the moment.
00:45:10
Yeah, about burning Matt Brooks brimming with confidence.
00:45:15
I'll dive down the list a little bit for the sake of fun and again this will.
00:45:19
This will all go out the window at some point along the way.
00:45:21
But a guy that I started to take a look at as I'm finally diving in on some of those college levels predraft Theo Aladin, you know, French born player he's played overseas a little bit.
00:45:33
I just think he has that.
00:45:34
He has the size at the at the point guard position.
00:45:37
You can do things defensively for you.
00:45:39
He could be a secondary creator, complimenting off starting point guard.
00:45:43
You can shift him on different assignments on the defensive end as well.
00:45:46
I just think it again.
00:45:47
Probably along your same lines to like, ready right, ready to step into the N b A and be a contributor.
00:45:51
And I think when it comes to Rookie of the Year at some point along the way, ah, guy rises up and starts to get flashy.
00:45:56
But if you can come in consistently right out of the gate, I think you get yourself into the early conversation and then people start watching you more along the way.
00:46:03
So I'll hang my hat on him a little bit and, uh, you know, tip of the hat Brooklyn Nets way.
00:46:08
There's a possibility there for a good draft option.
00:46:12
You know, it's funny, like this kind of feels like a Malcolm Brogden Michael Carter Williams type of rookie of the year.
00:46:17
Like it just it feels like it's gonna be somebody that you know is a solid player, like maybe even a role player that's gonna win.
00:46:23
And I don't know, like, do you really? I don't feel good about Anthony Edwards in Year one.
00:46:27
I don't at all I don't like.
00:46:28
There's a ton of questions Wiseman, like Wiseman, might be a rim runner.
00:46:32
Is he gonna win? Rookie of the Year is a rim runner.
00:46:34
Well, isn't the most important thing to is like, Where do they get drafted? And what is their role on that specific team? Right, because if you again put him on a bad team and we know there's a lot of bad teams top of the draft, although Golden State Warriors? Well, yeah, that's the tricky part, though.
00:46:46
I would argue that, like the two teams at the top of the draft already have players that are gonna be there one and two options like the Minnesota Timberwolves, they're going to say, Hey, this is D'Angelo Russell on Karl Towns, his team, Golden State.
00:46:56
They obviously have a very established pedigree.
00:46:59
So anybody that goes there, if they keep those picks, I don't think they have a chance at all like zero.
00:47:04
So it Zambian now interesting to think about.
00:47:08
Why this? Because I'm the theme of our of our show here, the Phoenix Suns and thinking about who they take a 10 like It's like, you know what I mean? Like, but that's the kind of team a young team rise.
00:47:17
And if you talk about a player that ends up, oh, my goodness.
00:47:20
Look like the Phoenix Suns jump from 11th to 1/7 seed in the Western Conference and this rookie was a key contributor to that to that process.
00:47:28
Like that's also how you get some cash around your name to it.
00:47:31
The team that you that you go to takes a jump from one year to the other.
00:47:34
And to your point, Golden State Warriors.
00:47:35
Listen, you could be phenomenal, is a rookie.
00:47:37
But when you're surrounded by that much talent, I think you're gonna get a lot of the boy.
00:47:41
He sure is benefiting from having Steph Curry on the floor with him and having Clay Thompson, you know.
00:47:44
So that mitigates sometimes off the attention that you get, especially in your first year, right? And I think like this is a year where it's gonna be somebody that's like a really solid just again, like either role player, not even a role player.
00:47:55
Maybe like a 3rd 4th option, like somebody that's just, like, really solid and plays with themselves.
00:48:01
Or it could just be somebody that goes toe like a team with basically no talent whatsoever.
00:48:06
So you're looking at, you know who is Charlotte Draft? I guess that would be James Wiseman.
00:48:11
But, I mean, you know, it could be something like that or the Knicks like you never know.
00:48:14
The Knicks might draft somebody, and it's like this guy is you know, either their number one option.
00:48:18
And they already feel better about them, Uh, than than R.
00:48:21
J.
00:48:22
Barrett or somebody that's like, right playing neck and neck with him.
00:48:24
I mean, I would look at it in one of those two situations.
00:48:27
It's just a weird situation and pretty much everything.
00:48:30
N b A.
00:48:31
This year, you know, we're draft class, weird timing and also just weird free agency class.
00:48:37
Its's kind of a trend, but I would expect something like that.
00:48:40
I just you know, it's it's not gonna feel there isn't a perennial favorite right now for May, and I think because of that, it's gonna That usually ends up being a little bizarre in terms of how that plays out.
00:48:52
Uh, let's do most improved.
00:48:55
I have a lot of options for this, so I'm curious to see what you have.
00:48:59
Uh, yeah, this is such a man.
00:49:02
Honestly, this is such a weird one toe look at for me because I think you get again a ton of these young teams and you look at how they can jump and leap.
00:49:08
I'll actually, you know what? I'll go with Michael Porter Jr.
00:49:11
I I think that I think that the baseline is there.
00:49:15
E think that he also projects to take a big like everyone.
00:49:18
Everyone thinks that he can take that big leap forward, looked at times to show flashes up in the playoffs, then also showed that Hey, I'm still young.
00:49:26
But I think coming into this year you could see him come out with a ton of consistency and cement himself as a key third piece there on that team that will move the needle for them come playoff time as well.
00:49:36
So yeah, I'll go with Michael Porter.
00:49:38
I like that one.
00:49:39
I picked all guys that air like Year three and beyond.
00:49:42
I Yeah, I'm one of those guys that, like, lives off The idea that most improved should be, like not a year, one to year two progression.
00:49:50
I don't know what you call Michael Porter like is Michael Porter like? Technically, he was.
00:49:53
He didn't play his rookie year.
00:49:54
Really? So it's a weird like, Yeah, it's like it's a weird That one's weird for me.
00:50:00
I like that pick, though a lot.
00:50:01
I'm actually a little jealous right now that I didn't write him down.
00:50:04
Um, I have I have a couple of guys.
00:50:07
I have O.
00:50:08
J and N O B is my my my stealth pick right now, Um showed a lot of signs.
00:50:14
His usage is like, I mean, it's It's like, you know, at the level of I don't even know like a who's who is a really supportive piece for them, like a I'm pretty sure like Norm Powell is like in the same vicinity in terms of usage for them.
00:50:27
Like Murphy of the athletic did a really nice call him on what it might look like for him next year.
00:50:32
So if he kind of takes the same leap as a Pascal Sockem who as the years progress he has the ball in his hands.
00:50:39
More and more, he's creating more and more.
00:50:40
Well, his numbers shoot up.
00:50:42
I think the same thing could happen with O.
00:50:43
G.
00:50:44
Uh, handles got improved for him.
00:50:45
But if he does that and if he looks a little bit more confident and I really like him like he's an awesome, awesome defender, one of the best defenders really in the East right now, like he's just just prolific defensively, his three point shot, you know, Shot is there if he could just get a little bit better is like having a little bit of wiggle to his game.
00:51:04
I mean, that's a guy that makes quite a bit of sense for them on DSo somebody that I really think could take that award by storm.
00:51:10
I also have Jarron Jackson, who I have been extremely high on since really his rookie year, and I'm just going to continue to ride that stock in that train.
00:51:20
So he's somebody again looked really good in the bubble on.
00:51:24
Do you know the next year, just another year of familiarity? I think he could put up big numbers.
00:51:29
I could see the defense improving as he gets more and more comfortable.
00:51:32
I just like him a lot.
00:51:33
I think he's just a really fun player to watch.
00:51:36
I also have eaten 18.
00:51:38
Is another guy, another guy? You come back at all, son.
00:51:43
Yeah, just E.
00:51:45
Just because I just didn't like him.
00:51:46
I didn't like him when he got drafted.
00:51:48
I didn't like him after his rookie year and honestly, like he's become a solid defender and, you know, because of that, like if you could continue to get him to, you know, he started hitting threes a little bit in the bubble like E.
00:52:01
You know, if he continues to show this type of growth, I can't really pick against him.
00:52:05
And I think there's a chance he makes a real storm, which, by the way, if the Sun's do make the playoffs this next year, he's going to be the second option to that and a lot of people are gonna be, I mean, he's gonna just he's gonna be a name.
00:52:15
Also, he's not coming off a suspension for the 1st 25 games, so he has a full year to really, really show stuff, you know? Yeah, but no.
00:52:22
No, I like that one as well.
00:52:23
And again on a rising, we think on a rising roster, Like like Phoenix.
00:52:28
He can actually become the thing that moves that team in some of those key matchups.
00:52:33
Really, really ridiculous.
00:52:35
One that might not even be accurate.
00:52:37
Uh, Marvin Bagley.
00:52:38
Believe it or not, I am a Marvin Bagley believer.
00:52:41
Um, I don't know what position he plays.
00:52:44
I have no idea of strong, strong starting point eso There's a million questions with him, but he's a really good player, like he's really good when he's out there, he scores the ball.
00:52:54
Well, they you know, the Kings have a million questions, and that kind of hurts his candidacy.
00:52:58
But, I mean, you talk about a guy that people have basically for gotten about and and written off, like if he comes out and is like, you know, really look strong, like God.
00:53:07
Like, talk about a guy that has ah, huge narrative to flip.
00:53:10
That's a guy with, you know, less pedigree than anybody on my list right now.
00:53:14
And I just I like him I dio, you know, and it's if you if you can't tell already, It's all guys going into their third year for May.
00:53:21
So I've been, uh I don't know if this is the last year for me with Marvin Bagley.
00:53:26
If it doesn't happen, I'm out.
00:53:27
But this is why not.
00:53:28
Why not? You s Oh, that's what I got right now.
00:53:33
Uh, do you have any other ones for this one? Because this is my favorite award.
00:53:36
For some reason, I just I love this award every year.
00:53:39
Well, I mean, you know, it's so interesting because again, it's all relative thio the players and the usage that they're getting.
00:53:46
I mean, you know, there's a world where I guess depending on how you perceive what he did in the bubble, that that Caris Levert could be in line for something, you know, at least in the conversation, something like that.
00:53:59
If he if he can duplicate what he was doing in the bubble in a much smaller sample size because he's not gonna get the same level of looks once you have Kyra and K d.
00:54:06
There.
00:54:07
But you're talking about a player that could be massively important to what they accomplished in Brooklyn or maybe another team that he gets traded to potentially.
00:54:14
Um And then that's a little bit, you know, that's a little bit little level.
00:54:17
Um, who else would be good? You know what? I'll even say it like maybe this seems Maybe this seems like an easy one to point Thio.
00:54:25
But Tatum, you know, maybe, you know, we have you talked about the evolution of him and that's I know that, like maybe maybe people already acknowledging that he's closer to his ceiling than we realize.
00:54:36
But coming off of, ah, an interesting bubble performance, I'll say like he'd have to be e.
00:54:45
That's what it is, right? If he's having that could have a year.
00:54:47
He probably end up being in that conversation over, say, most improved.
00:54:50
But maybe that's a tricky one to kind of point Thio.
00:54:52
It's hard because if a guy makes like an All Star team, I think that immediately disqualifies them, which isn't fair.
00:54:57
I I think this award is like it's one of these boards where I'm just like I don't know, I don't feel like what if the guy doesn't look that much better than he did the year prior.
00:55:06
Yeah. No.
00:55:07
Yeah.
00:55:08
No, I won't force my issue on.
00:55:10
There's probably a lot of lower level teams that you could take a look at.
00:55:12
Um and so you be interested in Listen, I mean, you wanna talk about you know, you could tell me if you think he would end up being involved in the M V P conversation to be had a great year.
00:55:21
But why not a guy like Trae Young who certainly has areas of his game that he could improve on to increase? What is true value is you could be a pure scorer if you want, But if you can start to say, this is what I'm capable of defensive end.
00:55:33
There's a question mark about whether or not he's capable of anything on the defensive end.
00:55:37
But that could be a needle mover as well.
00:55:38
So these air to poorly thought out examples that provided Let's go ahead and move on to the next.
00:55:43
Let's do it. Let's move on.
00:55:45
Sixth Man of the year.
00:55:46
My least favorite award.
00:55:47
I hate this award I hated every year.
00:55:48
Well, by the way, great example, because look who want it and look how he looked.
00:55:53
Hey, you know.
00:55:54
So what? What? What a terrible dynamic.
00:55:55
Hate it.
00:55:56
It's It's just it's I don't know.
00:55:58
I despise it so much.
00:55:59
I I don't even know why.
00:56:01
I mean, actually, I do.
00:56:02
It's always players that it's it's It's always it's just the Gunner Award.
00:56:08
It's like the guys that, like I have 0% confidence and in the playoffs are usually the ones that win this award.
00:56:14
It just it is like it's like Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford, whose Jamal is great.
00:56:18
But again, like the playoff moments aren't necessarily there for him.
00:56:22
Trez heralds now.
00:56:23
Another example of that, Um, that's what the problem is, right? Because sixth Man of the Year award.
00:56:28
You look at everything that happens during the regular season, but the kind of the whole functionality about it is.
00:56:33
Then come playoff time, your true value shows up or your true lack of value right, like great You did so much during the year.
00:56:41
But the reason why you're not in the starting rotation is because you can't impact playoff basketball the way we need you to. Necessarily.
00:56:47
Exactly. It's usually a guy with a flaw.
00:56:49
The other thing is like these these guys air typically on teams that are good if, if not great, just more often than not.
00:56:56
Well, guess what happens in the playoffs.
00:56:58
These good, not great teams, their best players.
00:57:00
They really start controlling the ball.
00:57:02
There's not as many minutes for these six men of the year to, you know, do what they do and and feast on backups.
00:57:07
Because again, you're not playing is deep of a rotation.
00:57:10
So it's a weird award.
00:57:12
I'm not particularly moved by it, ever.
00:57:15
Wherever Dennis Schroder goes, though, that's that's what I would pick.
00:57:17
I think he is the guy that makes sense, Um, actually was really good in the playoffs this year.
00:57:23
Like Houston had no, really no way to stop him.
00:57:27
I don't think he's gonna be with Okay, see this year and I think he's a big asset for wherever he goes, I would pick him.
00:57:34
I mean, he just feels like the next in line as that backup point guard that is, you know, a volume score.
00:57:39
So or Jordan Clarkson to I would pick him a swell.
00:57:44
Yeah, well, by the way, the intruders case.
00:57:45
What a beautiful adjustment for his career trajectory to go into 1/6 man type of role as opposed to being a starter.
00:57:52
And the way that you pursue the way that I perceive him from him, being in the starting rotation to being off the bench.
00:57:58
Six.
00:57:59
Man completely changes how I think about him as a player in the NBA.
00:58:02
I'll throw out Seth Curry like stir lately.
00:58:09
Um, listen, he is hey, shoots at the same clip that his brother does, you know, they don't get the credit for it, but, you know, he is a dynamic three point shooter.
00:58:16
As we know he showed up in the playoffs this past time and then one that will dovetail, uh into the next category they were gonna get into.
00:58:22
I'll throw out.
00:58:23
You said, You wanna go with low level, you know, guy, low level that maybe has a bigger impact.
00:58:26
More importantly, on both ends of the floor, I'll go with Chris done out off the Chicago Bulls.
00:58:31
I think that this will lead into our coach of the year candidate.
00:58:35
Potentially, when I look at him, you're talking about a guy that again, you know, gave you 25 minutes and I know the numbers. Seven.
00:58:43
You know, seven points, four rebounds, 3.
00:58:45
5 persist.
00:58:46
But I think that if you increase that sample size a little bit off the bench and combined with what his defensive prowess is now you're talking about the way you really want 1/6 man to be built.
00:58:56
A guy that actually moves the needle in seven or eight games, wins and losses during the regular season.
00:59:02
That if you get into a playoff situation with Chicago, uh, that he would then become in trickle toe, having success as opposed Thio seeing his role diminished right, like you would almost ramp up what you would do with a player like that in terms of matchups defensively in the playoffs.
00:59:17
Then, as opposed to saying, maybe we shrink your role.
00:59:20
And if you get a couple of three point looks like even even like a Seth Curry to that to that extent, right, like you have to hide him sometimes defensively.
00:59:28
So his role would actually expand Chris done if they made the playoffs.
00:59:31
So I'll go with him is kind of a dark horse.
00:59:33
Six man candidate my issue with him is that he can't score and I just feel like this award so much.
00:59:37
It's just it's like it's all about scoring and I again.
00:59:41
That's why I don't like it is an award because if I could, if this award was correct, like if it actually measured what she wanted it to, where it's like this guy is awesome coming off the bench, somebody like Kristen would potentially be in the mix, depending upon where he's playing.
00:59:56
But I don't think it always measures that.
00:59:58
I think it measures like who's the guy that scores a lot and keeps, you know, whatever again feast on backup.
01:00:04
So he would have to dramatically change is now.
01:00:06
Maybe he was able to do that.
01:00:07
I don't know.
01:00:08
He's got a lot of time off, but it's Ah, it's a little tricky for me to see it getting all the way there.
01:00:14
Yeah, my question, my question mark around, it would be It's like a very small sample sizes.
01:00:18
He shot 35% going back to the year prior in 2018 19 from deep.
01:00:23
Now it's on too small a sample size only, taking 2 to 33 point attempts per game.
01:00:27
If you could bump that up to five or six attempts and live in the 35 range, then I then you start to move the needle on the offensive impact and maybe that health.
01:00:35
But you're right, that that's a that's a difficult thing about this.
01:00:37
Again, it ends up being offensively driven.
01:00:39
And as Doug and I have talked about is you and I have talked about so many times to the naked eye.
01:00:45
Judging defensive impact is the hardest thing to do when you're watching a game.
01:00:50
And that's why I think these awards get a little bit watered down sometimes.
01:00:53
Yeah, no, I totally agree.
01:00:54
And let's be honest.
01:00:55
Teams don't try in the regular season like they don't all the time, especially on defense.
01:00:59
So, um, that makes it hard as well.
01:01:02
Eso I don't know.
01:01:03
I mean, like, if yeah, if the threes improved for him, I like him around the I think he's a solid finisher around the basket and, you know, maybe that opens up his game a little bit, but yeah, it would be a big jump, so I mean again, he's had a lot of time.
01:01:16
So you know, you never know what happens.
01:01:18
And these things kind of figured themselves out.
01:01:20
He gets to about league average from three.
01:01:22
Like he's suddenly really interesting.
01:01:24
He suddenly is like a really real asset.
01:01:26
But, um, let's do Let's do defensive player of the Year.
01:01:30
I wanna end on Coach of the Year.
01:01:32
Um, okay, so the way I look a defensive player of the year, it usually ends up being the guy who should have won it the year before.
01:01:42
Wins it.
01:01:45
For whatever reason, It always feels like it's kind of latent, and we reward guys a year late.
01:01:49
That doesn't always happen, like sometimes that that.
01:01:51
But I do think there's a lot of narrative carried into this award.
01:01:54
I would pick Davis.
01:01:55
Um, you look at the performance that he had in the playoffs.
01:01:58
His defense was by far and wide, the most impressive skill I saw from really anybody.
01:02:06
Whether it be, you know, I don't know whoever as a score.
01:02:09
Whoever is a pastor like his defense shape the playoffs it did.
01:02:11
It's why they won.
01:02:12
It was the way he played defense and the way that he completely neutralized everybody that dared go up against them.
01:02:19
Um, it's very clear to me he is one of the best defenders I've ever watched, and it feels very silly for him to just not have a defensive player of the Year award.
01:02:27
I think he's gonna have a lot of confidence coming into next year, especially if LeBron is missing games.
01:02:33
You know, this is a guy that he's he can carry the weight.
01:02:36
It feels like the obvious coordination.
01:02:37
He's a M V p stealth candidate.
01:02:40
Maybe not even stealth.
01:02:41
A favorite, probably so I could see it.
01:02:44
I could see it happening, Andi.
01:02:46
It's it'll be really weird if he doesn't come away with the defensive player of the year.
01:02:49
It'll be bizarre, so I think it happens next year.
01:02:52
Incidentally, I was flashing through like NBA all defensive first team.
01:02:55
Just to have those reference point also thought about like six man of the year again, a guy that is more deserving those opportunities and never get those looks like Mark.
01:03:07
His impact is offensive when it gives you and you're never going to give him the nod that he probably is deserving off from a defensive defensive standpoint, I'm gonna go with again, a team that I think in spite A In spite of some better thoughts.
01:03:22
I guess I shouldn't feel this way.
01:03:24
But I actually think that the new head coach and Daryl Morey, the Philadelphia 70 Sixers.
01:03:27
I'll look at Ben Simmons and I'll say that that he's kind of that that me, that dark horse candidate again, the obvious ones.
01:03:33
Or to go back to you honest or to go Thio Rudy Gobert.
01:03:36
But I think that Ben Simmons, because he's going to be on a lot of the premier matchups defensively around the league.
01:03:43
He can make a really strong case for himself shutting down some of the best players in the league.
01:03:47
I'll take I'll take him for defensive MVP this year, and I think the team is going to be much more impressive than they have in the last couple of years. I love it.
01:03:55
I yeah, I can't argue with that.
01:03:57
I mean that that makes a lot of sense.
01:03:59
I think their roles will really get figured out by having a guy like Doc Rivers come in there.
01:04:03
I mean, say what you want about his his playoff record, but he is very good.
01:04:07
I think in a lot of ways of really letting guys know what their role is, what he expects from them.
01:04:12
Uh, malleability may not always be there, but at least with setting a precedent, which is what the Sixers really need and they need to know, they need to know who's doing what part of that comes from, I think, the attracting certain players on their roster.
01:04:26
But if and when they do that, because I think they will.
01:04:28
I don't think Daryl Morey is gonna come into this next year with the roster that they put forth last year because that was not a winning formula.
01:04:34
I could really see it benefitting somebody like Ben Simmons and I.
01:04:37
You know, this is the last year to really figure it out.
01:04:39
I think, between him and an M B, and I'm optimistic on them I am.
01:04:44
I like what they did.
01:04:45
It's aggressive.
01:04:46
They need to be aggressive.
01:04:47
Um and yeah, they got smart people doing things for them now.
01:04:51
And by the way, one of the things I think Doc Rivers will help figure out is to say to Ben Simmons Hey, man, lock it up on defense.
01:04:57
Obviously, your offensive game is gonna be a part of this, But he's gonna then look at other players on the roster, you know? Hey, Harris, why don't you go ahead and do what you're supposed to be doing and carry this team offensively in a lot of games? Yeah, no, totally agree.
01:05:09
And, uh, and, you know, again like if they're better than they were last year, like, considerably better.
01:05:16
Um, that really helps him because he's gonna be a little bit more on the center stage.
01:05:21
And people are going to see how good he is defensively, because he's just like he's a maniac, like he's a maniac.
01:05:25
Defensively, he is so good at defense, so I think that could really benefit him.
01:05:30
It'll be fun to get, like, a really versatile, um, you know, wing forward, whatever.
01:05:35
You wanna call him Ben Simmons in there.
01:05:37
It'll be fun.
01:05:38
I want him to get a little bit of national spotlight for something other than like the Rookie of the Year thing.
01:05:43
E just Yeah, I like that narrative.
01:05:45
And I also really like offensive it.
01:05:46
So I'm guilty of that as Well, let's close it out.
01:05:50
Coach of the Year.
01:05:51
What do you got? Listen, so I mentioned Chris done before.
01:05:54
I'll put a little bit of dark horse candidacy for Billy Donovan because I think that the Chicago Bulls or Prime to actually make a bit of a leap forward.
01:06:01
I think it requires the have, ah, better coaching mind in there, a guy that understands the quality, the players on the roster on how to best utilize them.
01:06:07
So I think that they're gonna take.
01:06:09
Actually, it may not be solely on Billy Donovan's efforts that this team actually takes a leap forward.
01:06:14
It's almost addition by subtraction of not having someone who clearly didn't know what he was doing there at the helm.
01:06:18
So they take a leap forward.
01:06:20
I like that.
01:06:21
And then, if you want me to throw out kind of a sneaky pick, maybe a bit of a homer.
01:06:24
One, uh, if you're talking about the Brooklyn Nets making a deep playoff run, I actually think that Steve Nash will have to be in that conversation because if they're in a conference finals, then they have accomplished something in this season, bringing into essentially new players blending it in with a with a talented deep roster.
01:06:40
Yeah, so I'll go.
01:06:41
I'll go.
01:06:42
Those two guys is maybe my top two.
01:06:43
Interesting picks for coach of the year.
01:06:45
I look for I actually love both of those picks.
01:06:47
Um, I think of Billy Donovan you on paper and I'm like, Is he really one of the best coach in the league? But that's not always with this measures.
01:06:53
There's a lot of guys that wind coach of the Year, and it's like this guy isn't necessarily one of the best coaches in the league.
01:06:59
But what he is is a dramatic improvement over having the worst coach in the league.
01:07:04
They're just the worst coach in the league.
01:07:05
You saw this with Bud coming in, taking over for kid.
01:07:08
He's immediately rewarded because he's, you know, competent and he knows what he's doing.
01:07:13
You have had this with other situations.
01:07:15
You have this with Mark Jackson getting replaced by Kerr, who, you know, I mean opinions on him very quite a bit now.
01:07:23
I think he's probably a little bit better than Billy Donovan, but maybe not that much.
01:07:26
So coaching is hard to measure and I think that we look at results may be more than anything with any other award and say, Wow, the Bulls really made a lot of improvement now The tricky part for me is that I think it's really unlikely, for they'd have to be like a five seed, like they'd have to really jump up there and I don't know if that's gonna happen in the playoffs.
01:07:45
Eso But I could see him getting a nod.
01:07:48
If they're like the eight seed, it's like, Wow, they really over performed And maybe they even get to the seven seed it so it could happen.
01:07:54
It's just like it would be, really.
01:07:56
It would be unique to not have one of the top two seeds, which, by the way, makes your Steve Nash case super interesting.
01:08:03
It really does really, really does, because I think this is gonna be award where by nature we look for new blood, a guy that hasn't necessarily won it in the recent years and has not really been in the mix.
01:08:17
So because of that, I think that really benefits Steve Nash.
01:08:21
Steve Nash is exciting.
01:08:22
He's new.
01:08:23
He's a first off like a really story de NBA player who is now transitioning into a different challenge.
01:08:28
If they look great at the gates, he's gonna get a lot of credit for that.
01:08:31
So I you know it.
01:08:33
It's not even a homer pick.
01:08:35
I really don't think so.
01:08:36
Like if you're going dark horse, that's the most obvious dark horse.
01:08:38
Because again, this is an award that that really rewards, you know, performance, regular season performance and they really could come out the gates hot.
01:08:47
What is it that big thing about it? It's also it's also about perception versus results.
01:08:51
So you think about, say, the Houston Rockets right, keeping it on them and going well, everyone thinks they're trending down, so all of a sudden they pop up as a five seed in the Western go Wow, that's really impressive.
01:09:00
And then you look at your relative the talent.
01:09:02
Maybe, maybe not on.
01:09:03
And then you know likewise.
01:09:05
I'll say a guy that wouldn't be such a unknown name, even Doc Rivers in Philly because of selection car.
01:09:11
Exactly.
01:09:12
Right.
01:09:13
So you're talking about teams, you know? Where were they coming from the year prior, and what were the expectations coming in all of a sudden you take that leap forward, so yeah, Well, listen, I'll take the accolades in the compliments, and I just, you know, hang my hat on.
01:09:24
That s so I'm gonna go with Carlisle just talking this out loud.
01:09:27
Um, you know, a guy that I people know how good he is, like people know, and he's obviously been doing it for a while, but he hasn't gotten like that national spotlight in a way that if you have the M v p on your roster, which I think there's a very good chance they dio, um You're going to see that going hand in hand with him getting award because he's awesome.
01:09:45
He is very, very good.
01:09:47
He is one of the five best coaches doing it right now.
01:09:50
If you see a jump from, let's say the seven seed to two seed or something like that.
01:09:54
Oh, yeah, Oh, yeah.
01:09:55
This guy is gonna get a lot of credit for that.
01:09:57
He deserves it, too, because he's I mean, he puts everybody in winning situations there.
01:10:01
Guys always outperformed what they're expected to dio in Dallas.
01:10:05
Yeah, that's true.
01:10:06
Yeah, he's very rarely been in positions where expectations are high.
01:10:10
You know, set a high bar because of, of what the talent is and where you think they're gonna go.
01:10:14
Okay, I asked a real brief, quick question.
01:10:17
Do you think that then is would Vogel be deserving? I haven't mentioned about your prior and now this year, where you go Hey, I know he has LeBron and a d, but it takes it takes, Ah, high level of talent toe one.
01:10:28
Manage those those players And then also we know about those complimentary pieces like he managed to bring in Dwight Howard and, you know, and region Rondo and all these guys.
01:10:36
And he made it worked beautifully and lost players going to the bubble and won a championship like, you can't you can't overlook him in that regard.
01:10:42
I he's he's my pick.
01:10:44
I you know, it's between him and Carlisle.
01:10:48
I would actually probably still lean Vogel.
01:10:50
Um, you know, it's funny for a good as the Lakers were, they came into the bubble and people had a lot of questions.
01:10:55
I don't think a lot of people thought they were gonna win it.
01:10:57
And by cir***stance, I do think that kind of hurt his candidacy in a lot of ways.
01:11:01
Now you have a situation where he is now.
01:11:05
Approved it.
01:11:06
He's done it, you know, They went small. They went big.
01:11:08
They did everything.
01:11:09
He adjusted.
01:11:10
Well, it seemed like they had a really clear concept of who they were gonna be from from Day one on Dhere E is now getting a lot of national attention.
01:11:19
And for good reason.
01:11:20
Um, he's a big reason they won.
01:11:22
I would say outside of I mean, you know, I guess it's kind of hard to pick him over LeBron and a D but he's in that mix.
01:11:29
He's a big reason.
01:11:30
He set the tone, and it it was very clear.
01:11:32
So, you know, again, kind of similar to defensive player of the year.
01:11:35
I think guys get rewarded a lot of the time.
01:11:37
The next year, based on playoff performance, could absolutely see that happening.
01:11:41
Um, that's pretty much all I've got.
01:11:43
We've had a nice little our here.
01:11:44
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01:12:27
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01:12:56
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01:12:57
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01:12:58
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01:13:22
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