Nick's family was popping.
We're back in the building.
I got my man Andy way.
Got a lot of stuff to talk about with the New York Knicks.
Not that there's really been any action, but there's some stuff to talk about this faras trade rumors and all that kind of stuff.
But we're gonna start off in the bubble where they say, R.
Barrett, it's having a heck of a time in the bubble is proving what he's worth.
He's showing off in the bubble. That's what they say.
Barrett doing this thing in the bubble.
Uh, any other updates? You heard any other updates from the bubble? I haven't seen Tom Thibodeau come out and say much of anything.
We didn't see they was doing this, you know, day to day media press thing on Zoom.
But you know, most of the things that we hear nowadays are rumors, and if the next would get at least half of the players that the rumor with we will be probably doesn't b a championships champions right? So thin the names that come come out there and and, you know, in the market, it's its's crazy, it's crazy and it's, I think it's beyond a point off rumors that the Knicks can even, you know, have because it's like every fan is speculating.
Every reporter, if he wants, you know, to sell an article, he just pops the next name out there.
You know, it's It's wild.
It's wild out there.
Yeah, it it is is wild out there.
And the thing is, you know Leon Rose Scott paying them guys are not from what? You know what? I guess it's just I can only speak from, um what I could see as a fan.
But it doesn't seem like that the type to say anything or to say much, but you never know.
Listen, you got World Wide West and World Wide West.
That's his M o right, playing that underbelly playing that underbelly role.
So you never know if World Wide West is out there putting some of these leaking some of these things out there so that he could see the response right.
That is his role.
That's what he does.
So you never really never know.
Yes, and And he could be doing every of these rumors just, you know, putting out.
Okay, I'm gonna feel the fans on this guy feel the fans from that guy that I'm gonna you know, bands off.
Okay, we're gonna go this guy over that guy, you know, just, like lower the value off trade possibility.
It can be, you know, worldwide west behind the stairs here and and doing everything off of it. Yeah.
Eso are they finished with the bubble? The next bubble.
Is it? Are they done? You know what? I think it z all financial is gonna end like Friday, right? Okay.
It's supposed to be, like, two weeks, so yeah, two weeks, it's gonna be I'm just wondering because we haven't heard an update in a while, so I'm expecting that at some time.
Uh, Tom Thibodeau is gonna come out and do it, you know, do another update.
Not that we're gonna get much from the update because we haven't got much from those updates.
You know, we'll look and we'll try to figure out what he's saying, you know, and try to read every little I twitch, you know, saying to figure out if it means something when he mentions the player's name.
But we haven't really got much from those.
Haven't got much from him at all, and there hasn't been one released.
They haven't done one in a while, so I don't know.
The only the only update we get is about R.
Barrett, right? It's about that That looks like the, you know, to be the safe name, right? Whenever he's talking about, you know, questions that's about Frank or D S J.
He's like, Okay, we have these guards were gonna look to, you know, expand the rocks and stuff like that.
That makes me a little bit worried.
Uh, you know, but But R.
J is probably the safest player on this team, and that should that should be right, So, right.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, he's definitely the safest player on the team.
Um, anybody else you know is clearly up for grabs, not up for grabs, But it's clearly, uh, you know, they'll they'll we'll trade him.
Anybody else? For the right price? Everybody's available, except you're probably bars.
They probably you know, so I don't know.
Well, I guess We'll see if if an update comes out soon, which, you know, Hopefully it will.
But we'll see if it update comes out soon.
Big shout out to Justin Hernandez.
He said, Call us the New York rumors.
You write about that? You're definitely right about that.
Mad rumors going around about the Knicks and what the Knicks might do, and we're gonna look through about five of them.
That was in, uh, you know, a certain publication.
You know, we'll check those out and then Pastor Ray Pittman So R.
Barrett is better Q B than Daniel Jones.
I don't even want to get into the New York Giants, so I'm not even going to go there.
Talk about the Giants right now, you know what I mean? I don't wanna solely looking the next is gonna be the best team in New York, E o.
Who think that the next video Tell me about it.
Tell me about it.
They just might be end up being the cream of the crop in New York.
And that's crazy, I guess the Nets.
But the next you know.
The nets are burning too.
Yeah, Yeah, all that stuff coming out about the nets, the nets of burning too.
What I'm saying be comedy.
That's gonna be comedy.
I'm just waiting for it to happen.
Yeah, that's definitely going to be comedy.
I thought I'd seen Mark trying to enter the room.
I don't know what happened to him. He's in.
How come I was OK, hold up.
Let me Let me Let me let me let me see something with my screen.
Maybe I have something going on.
Maybe I did something wrong with screen.
I mean, let me let me try to make some adjustments with the screen because Okay, there he is. There he is.
But there he is.
Mark, what's going on, man? What you're hearing from the bubble.
Listen, man, some people have to go Some.
Some people have to go soon, man.
Just way the business workman looking happy about I don't know what he's happy about.
No idea who's gonna go, what's gonna happen.
But he said Mark, just like drama.
That's it, Mark. Just like drama.
Listen, man, we already know who the culprit is, Man.
We already know.
So let's stop acting that stopped looking like tall.
We know who the culprits that are willing that are going to go if anything happens.
Man Nelson, I don't think you do know who is going to go.
I think I think anybody could be traded except for R.
J, just like just like this.
And he said, Okay, so in that case, right, in that case, everyone is up from it.
And I'm okay with everybody, except for R J.
Everybody, except for R. J.
And Kevin's gonna be mad.
Kevin's gonna be mad because that means Mitch is up for grabs, too.
Besides him, besides him besides him, he's a keeper for everyone.
Everyone on this team is being looked at, and what's crazy is that Chris Paul, But it'll have that Chris Paul thing.
It depends on the other winning teams.
Like I said, they still in the mix one, but they're not in the metro O K C o K.
Wants to trade them. It's time way.
We're gonna get to that.
Let's let's let's start.
Yeah, let's start off talking about, um, this article that came out New York Post Bye bye, Mark Berman.
Okay, he said Chris Paul drive by the Orlando bubble virtually Sunday.
So watch Game three of the NBA Finals was the guest of ABC.
Jeff Van Gundy surprised over the question on his feelings about being in the twilight of his career in a rebuilding situation.
Which part of ways? With Billy Donovan? Chris Paul.
He paused when he responded, and he said, I just love the hoop said You call it my twilight years.
I call it Ah, Blessing right? Of course.
Ah, lot of Knicks fans is going to take that to say he don't care about playing for a contender.
He'll play in New York, all right, you know, I mean, everyone's take everyone's gonna take it that way, which could be true.
Alright, so let's put that on hold, though.
So let's just keep that in the back of, you know, in the back of our heads and we're gonna swing back around and talk about Chris Paul.
But the article goes on to say that the Knicks may be interested in another guard over Chris Paul right now.
Who might that be? Victor Oladipo.
That they may be that they may have Mawr They just may be interested in Victor Oladipo more than they're interested in Chris Paul.
Now this Chris Paul, this Victor Oladipo bring the same intangibles.
Is Chris Paul? I don't think so.
It's just my opinion.
Ast faras The leadership is concerned, and the guy that can really direct your team.
I don't think Victor Oladipo brings that.
I'm not saying he's not a good player.
I'm not saying he's a really good player.
He's an all star caliber player, you know? Obviously we've got to see the way he comes back off of his injury, But I just There's certain intangibles that Chris Paul, that I think this is when you're looking at Chris Paul, this is what you're looking at.
These are the intangibles that you're looking at.
You know what I mean? And I don't think Victor Oladipo's brings those intangibles.
Yeah, um, now, what was said about Victor Oladipo? Um, let's see when you're talking about Victor, Oladipo says one N BA personnel man said Dallas is two first round picks.
The 22,021 2023 Julius Randle in Dennis Smith Jr or Frightening Latina could be could wet the Pacers appetite.
Now, Victor Oladipo is 28 years old.
Hey, made the all star teams in 2018.
You know, obviously he tor a tendon in his knee in the late 18 4019 season.
You know, um, he Vic did let me see.
He's entering the final year of his $85 million deal.
Eso you know, it's going to get, you know, 2020 something million dollars.
Uh, you know, I don't I don't know.
I'm kind of iffy on that, because now Indiana action for too much for a play that might get up and leave.
See, that's where I'm gonna have a problem with that.
Now, If you told me you got Dennis, you're Randall and probably a Dallas pick.
Yeah, but you're asking for two and, frankly, Latina with get No, no, no, no, no, no. Dennis Smith Jr.
Or Frank Miller, Kina or Frank Millikin.
And not both of them either D S J or, frankly, Latina.
They only could have one Dallas pick.
I ain't trying to give up both of them and to other players for player.
That's ****ing leave.
Get out of here, man.
Get out of here.
Um, let me 20 to get out of here.
28 28 years old.
Let me see if I can find.
Try to find how much he makes him waiting for this to load up.
See how much is gonna make next season.
I think he's still in the okay.
See, Bill? About 20 million.
Something like that.
About close to that 2025? Yeah.
Yeah. It's going to be something like that.
So listen, the ****er swap.
If you're talking about swapping, then it's Smith.
You could You could take a guard, a young guard and Julius Randle.
Self viable player.
That could be the trade.
But if you're talking about multiple picks No, no, no, no.
Your man is coming off injury.
We'll be taking a loss.
We'll be taking a loss, and we'll be taking a loss in that in that trade, because he's coming off a deal, he's able to come off a deal.
You know what? We've got to remember that.
You know, probably his come back on the court was a little bit too early because he wanted does that he and stuff like that.
But he looked like a shade off himself, not closed toe what he was before the injury.
So we got to take that into account or just let him, you know, play and show us the game, you know? But for me, still, it's damage.
It's and you know you can you can have a player that's gonna have, you know, some kind upon injury.
But if it's a crucial injury, like a big thing that can linger and short in your career Yeah, a so right and look.
Yeah, he makes he makes $21 million next season.
It s It s so I don't understand.
So if you make, if he's making 21 million, why do you need to include Dennis Smith Jr.
Or Frank Nil? Akina, you really don't need to include those guys, right? Because money is gonna work itself because the money will work itself.
Right? So why do you need to include those guys or one of those guys? You know what I'm saying? You could do a straight up trade with Julius Randle.
Uh, because if you include one of those guys? Now you gotta bring somebody back.
You gotta be another player back.
So maybe there's another player that, well, you know, these air, All these are all just, uh, rumors.
Anyway, you know that somebody else I would have been like, Okay, I have been like, Okay, you could take $2023 stick and Randall and give me Old Depot.
That's a cool deal.
But I ain't giving up all I asked.
That's toe to take a player that don't want to stay because you rejected his deal.
You try to show a farmer who tried to show him.
That's why we know he's even when you try to show on the decline.
So So in that case, he's out of there ain't no way he's staying because he wants.
He wants, um, packs money, But he wanna be paid in the hundreds.
He won't be paid in 100 he declined that.
He declined that, you know, you know he's not.
He's not getting that shot out toe raw Hebrew remnant, he said, Somebody check Berman into the crack rehab Berman be wiling on Twitter, though he do be wiling be.
He'd be saying some stuff if you guys get a chance, man, make sure you check out raw Hebrew remnants.
Make sure you check out his channel. You talk.
He does a lot of Nick's talk.
Well, probably only next talk on their U. S.
So make sure you check him out.
You know, he's got some good point of view, so go check out his channel.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Make sure you go check that out, man.
Um, so let me see who else today mentioned in this in this shot, you got Victor Oladipo.
All right, let's skip to Karl Anthony towns.
They talked about Karl Anthony towns being, you know, ah, possibility.
Type of that word.
What do you think about it? Probably was a possibility.
So I don't think because he just signed the brand new there, and he's got a point guard that he want to play with.
I don't think you don't anywhere for no time being right now, so I'm not even thinking about him.
I'm not really thinking about until the truth, but if it came depends on what they asking for.
Even though that kid is just a polished.
But now they're gonna ask for the bank.
They are gonna ask the bank.
But how far, though, is how far they're gonna ask Carmelo Anthony Far.
Let's put it like that.
I'm not destroying my whole team for this For one place.
I'm not doing that, E.
I mean, you know you don't have to destroy.
I think it's very different today than it was with Carmelo Anthony.
And, you know, people keep everyone keeps going back to Melo.
And Justin just let you know there's a lot of, uh, I don't know if you're, you know, almost sounds like you're talking in a vacuum.
There's a lot of not background noise, but it's not clear.
Just E, uh, probably is.
But everyone always wants to go back to the military and talk about, you know, not giving up everything like we did in the military.
It's just totally different, because in the mellow trade, we didn't have a lot of assets.
That's one of the reasons why they were like, you know, the you know how.
How will the Knicks get this done? The only way the Knicks they're gonna get this done is if Melo says he wants to go to the go to the Knicks because other than that big, you know it's gonna be hard to get it done.
You know what I mean? Because the Knicks just didn't have a lot.
It's so different now.
The Knicks have a lot of assets, you know, no matter what the Knicks have, someone's gonna come out and say the Knicks have no assets.
Some are not some I was reading some comments by somebody.
The Knicks have no assets.
They can't make any trades.
I'm like, What are they talking about what I'm saying.
So no matter what people going to say, the Knicks don't have assets.
But the Knicks have assets now where you can trade some things and still have young players and draft picks.
So let me ask you, let me ask you this question.
So if say, if we trade for him today, so I think the deal will be like this.
RJ Mitch, Dennis Smith of Frank, 2020 and 2021 pick that.
I think that would be the deal for us to get called to the Times. RJ.
If Arjun would be an ideal no doubt about it.
I think I e that's definitely a no go.
Because you wanted that, would you? Would wanna put our Jane Karl Anthony towns together, right? Why wouldn't it be? Julius Randle, which takes up a chunk of the salary, right dramas. Random.
Hold on, hold on. Julius Randle.
Um, the eighth pick.
And then, you know, another young player Hold another young player and then a Dallas pick or something like that.
I'm gonna tell you why.
Because if I'm the Timberwolves, right and I'm about to trade my 24 year old button button All Star right are all MBA talent.
I'm gonna look at the new shiny toy.
I'm gonna try E just what? Any businessman E.
But but But you gotta look at you gotta look at they have the number one pick, which we're probably gonna take Anthony Edwards.
Anthony Edwards, R J.
Barrett together that, you know.
Well, you know, it z gonna be e They could, but I don't think so.
If they're not trading Karl Anthony towns, they're not taking Wiseman.
No, no, no, no, no. Right.
If they got if they got Karl Anthony towns, you know they're not going to trade for.
They're not gonna draft Wiseman if they did.
But if they did, you know, I'm saying, then you know, E.
I just I don't think that the Knicks would include all j and the deal.
I don't think I mean, if they asked for R.
J, then I think the Knicks would just be like, No, we're not gonna do it because you would want to pair because you're in the same boat, right? You trade RJ and you got Karl Anthony towns.
You're in the same boat.
You got a budding star.
But you know, when a parent with I think that would be trying to pair Karl Anthony towns and RJ Better s so like when you mentioned Randall, right? Randall's not look at, like at A but that's not the point.
That's not that's not the point.
That's not the point.
Karl Anthony towns.
It's on the books until 2023 24 25 or whatever right? He's only in the second year of his deal.
So if Karl Anthony Towns wanted out of Minnesota, if he went to them and of course, ladies and Gentlemen, this is all hypothetical.
Right? But if he went to them and said I want out and he was gonna get traded to the Knicks, Julius Randle would be there because he can alleviate four Minnesota money.
Oh, yeah, You kind of write about you kind of your money because you could get out of his contract after next season, right? So it's not about do they want Julius Randle? It's about Julius Randle can alleviate $20 million off of their books, $19 million off of their books so that they can restart because they're not gonna also be.
Oh, also gonna wanna talent giving up a time.
That's just that's just that's I mean, that's true. That's true.
And so Mitch would probably go.
Mitch would probably go, right.
Uh, that eighth pick would probably go one of those.
One of those Dallas picks would probably go.
And then maybe someone like Frank, I'm gonna say this way.
Don't give up Arthur's.
So we keep our J.
I would say this that 2021 will be gone.
I would. Eight pick.
This year will be gone.
E think Knox will be gone.
Mitch will be gone.
Go on and so on, Frank.
But we're gonna have to give up next year's.
This year's Randall knocks Dennis Smith or Frank one of those to one of those two because of who they you know.
You know, You know, I mean, some of those some of those young guys you're gonna have Thio, you keep one of them.
So you would hope in my my hope would be You could keep all Jane Frank if you had to give up.
You know, two young guys and then you could give him Dennis Smith Jr knocks.
I would hate to do that, Dennis.
Dennis Smith Jr knocks and Mitchell.
I would hate to do that because that's ah, big piece of your young group, but, you know, but but you gotta do it.
But you would have to do it because you're getting Karl Anthony towns back.
Quit for calling me time.
If that's all I have to give up, bro for calling any towns to replace those three players, which they're not, they're not even in the same boat.
I'm doing that because e got to keep our Jane right.
I'm gonna have to give up a little more assets that if I would have Thio put Jane in there.
So if I put E give up less, but it's still giving more because we value our J the way we valued now.
So in that case, we would have to give up more if we're not trade RJ.
I'll be fine with that, because now I can really built with these way.
Could go from there that attract younger talent or in players to come play with these two too young third break so it could work for us on and look, someone, someone, someone just said the chat Simmons already always hungry for quick fixes.
That's not a quick fix.
I'm always desperate for a quick fix, not desperate for a quick fix.
What are you talking about, Ralph? One rial I'm reading.
I'm reading from another article, and we're talking about the possibilities that this article presents on.
If you're talking about Karl, Anthony tells me in a quick fix.
He's very young, right? How old is Karl? Anthony tells same age escapee, Same ages.
KP. That's not a quick fix.
You still building your parent? Two players that are very young and would have the chance to grow together.
To be a strong team is not a quick fix.
06 for all the depo and give up the whole the whole for tree.
That's a Yeah, that's not a quick fix.
Okay, I got a question, because this this question, you know, the answer might end.
You know, all the rumors about R. J.
Is there even a player in the n b A That was rumored or wasn't that we are willing to give R.
J? You know, you know, put Arjuna trade for For him, the only person who I was looking at, who I would give up RJ for is Devin Booker.
That's the only thing I was gonna say.
That's that's the only name I would risk RJ trade that the only place I was before, And if I'm gonna other RG I'm not, you know, adding two first round picks to that.
It's already first, a couple of you know, salary matching and stuff like that.
I'm not giving out like three picks and R.
J and whatever right, and I'll take Rubio on that deal also, if they're willing to give up Rubio.
I'll take them with you.
Let's see who else that they mentioned.
Who else did they mention? Who else can we mention that's gonna bring? That's that's gonna bring a quick fix, Since people wanna talk about me always doing quick fixes.
Ralph, let's What is the rest? That fans, that Pham van? Every $2020 that's going down the drain.
He ain't getting it, uh, from Toronto unless it's from Toronto. More.
Because if they're gonna Marc Gasol, if they're gonna know they're not gonna extend Ibaka, I think he might get that from Toronto.
Think about don't The only thing I could say about that because I did see the thing with Fred Vanvleet, right? Only thing I could say about that is, um, again, it's all.
It's all rumors.
I don't think you get 20 to 22 of the stretch, but all rumors, it's all rumors, you know? I mean, you think he's worth 20 to 7? No, I don't think he's worth 22.
I don't think he's gonna get I don't I don't think I don't think he's gonna get.
I think this is just my opinion, right some players.
Sometimes players come out and the market is crazy, right? And and so players get paid Mawr than they're supposed to right? Sometimes players come out on, the market is light and players get paid more than they're supposed to write.
Like like you remember a few years ago when the salaries, when the salary cap went up, everybody was getting paid crazy money, right? And then sometimes the player comes out and there's not a lot of people.
If everybody, you know, I don't think the market is just right for Fred VanVleet.
That's my opinion.
Like, in my opinion, the for Fred Vanvleet to get 22 million or get a max or get whatever right.
I think the only way that I think for the market to be right would be that there's no point guards in the market, which is not a lot of point guards, and then a lot of teams need a point guard.
It's not really like that.
Fred VanVleet, right? Exactly.
So I mean, how many how many teams need a point guard like, really, really need a point guard? Bad? The Knicks? Not? Yes, it's the Knicks, Pistons, Pistons e drive for God.
I think they're gonna drive the point guard.
So I don't think in that case, they're gonna need one.
The Knicks is the most the only team that talk about needing the e.
Think every other team has a rising point guard or point guard who they trust with their best player on the team.
Because now that I think about it Toronto, right, Marc Gasol is not playing in the NBA next year.
I don't think extended Baca.
So e think they're gonna pair vamp with ya? Come and go for those two guys and they're gonna drop Lowry like trade them in the last year of his deal.
Or, like, you know, Yeah, that's minimum.
If he wants you think they'll do You think they're gonna do that with Carla? Trade the middle last.
Everything that's gonna happen that that or he's gonna have to stay for the minimum money because he's gonna be worth anything for them.
And if he if he's willing to stay for for you know, the minimum money, they're gonna try to go No and fetch with that money someone else.
Just think about it to a front court is about to leave. Marc Gasol.
He's already out.
He's putting in Europe next year, issues Ibaka want to get rid of.
I don't think they're gonna pay Ibaka the money.
He's gonna be wanted on number three.
We see what Toronto is now.
There's no ceiling to them no more.
It is what it is.
Now we know what c i e.
I don't see how I'm gonna be this superstar.
That was all allowed.
He's a he's a e.
I mean, here's the thing is I don't know if you could say that, you don't know how much more he's gonna grow, like you have to go through what he went through in the playoffs in order to grow.
We'll see how he comes back next year.
You said the way he plays the game right, the way he plays the game, it's not like one of them.
It's not like one of the guys you give the ball to and creates is not like that e but what I'm saying, he's just butting into becoming nice, a little bit older.
He's just but let's see where he gets up Yeah, yeah, He's like 26 years old.
See where he goes? He's still He's still wrong.
He still got a lot to learn.
He started playing late to know he got his deal.
He got his deal.
That's cool and all, but I'm talking about where he can extend to.
He's not gonna be on that next level of, like, superstar star talent.
It's just not in his cards.
I'm just not ready to say that about I'm just not ready to say that about him because he was a He started playing basketball late. Hold up.
He started playing basketball late, right? He started blooming late.
So his age doesn't mean as much because he didn't start playing When somebody's like Like when you look at Obi Topping, he start playing when he was young and he is where he is now.
So you could say, Well, he might have reached the ceiling.
Pascal seaq um started playing late? No.
So he hasn't reach, but yeah, but no, no, no, no.
But you're talking about what you're saying is that Pascal seaq, um cannot grow to be, you know, one of the guys that that can create his own shot.
This that and the other thing.
What I'm saying to you is we don't know that yet because he's just now actually growing.
He is still developing as a player because he started playing basketball so late.
He is still growing at a za player.
You know what I'm saying? So you may not see.
You may not see his peak until he's 30.
You see that peak at 28 29? You may not see his until he's 30 or 31 because he started playing basketball so late and be played basketball.
But he's he's not going be.
Yo, I'm just saying he's not your willing be It's That's cool.
But what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, I'm just saying, I'm just saying I'm still I'm in wait and see mode with Pascal seaq him because you don't know because I think he started developing.
He started playing basketball so late that you don't know, you know he still has room to grow.
He still has a lot of development left.
No, I'm not saying that he can't grow.
I just don't think that he's gonna be this superstar town that's gonna that's gonna put Toronto back in the talks.
Like how it wasn't last year and it's OK, It's OK.
He's gonna what? Hey did it this year.
Well, he got destroyed in the playoffs that he was nowhere to be, but that is cool, but but that's what I'm saying.
But that's what I understand.
He got destroyed in the playoffs, but this was the first time he was ever in the playoffs having to be the guy.
That's what I'm saying.
It is a learning experience for him.
No one even expected Toronto Thio take it to the second round.
No one even expected way knew that there was good enough to win games.
Way knew that they were good enough to make it into the playoffs, but they actually had a chance to be in the Eastern Conference finals.
You know, there was good there was Listen, there was good enough as a unit.
So I'm talking about I'm talking about when next year comes where they lose Ibaka, they lose Marc Gasol.
Now you have Siaca.
You have Carol artist on our roster.
You're gonna have a family and sleep it has to pay savings, because now the free agent pool ain't looking too good.
And who's gonna sign with Toronto? So I don't think feeling sleep is gonna leave that team.
So I cross him off my books.
I think he's gonna get at least 15 to 18 maybe even 20 from from Toronto, Because they have to because they have to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, he Yeah, he could.
And, you know, Toronto is gonna feel like why, you know, you never know what you know.
Messiah jury is thinking, but, um, you know, they're gonna listen.
We want a championship with you.
We're gonna you know, we're gonna do whatever we dio.
We'll see if I was them.
I try to give him something short term If he would take it.
Who if I was them.
If I was Toronto, I would try to give him.
I would try to give him.
I'd give him I'd give him his 22 but I try to do it two years in the third years, a team i e.
I would do something like that.
He still sees the small player, right? So when next year come and you will see a unit.
He's now he's gonna have a bigger role.
Like now we're gonna see what we paid you this money for right now is roles will pay for what he dio.
Now, when you're paying an excessive off that type money now, the glasses, the glasses gonna really be on you.
And then that's what.
So you know, it is what it is.
We'll see s let's talk.
Let's talk about another player.
Let's talk about another player.
What if Paul George becomes available? Not for us.
You know, I'm No, no, no.
I'm still poor George fan, but not for this team.
You need to be on a contending team. No.
So because because, you know, you know, you know, there's a lot of rumors about you know, that Paul George that you know, he you know, he annoyed his teammates over there in Brooklyn, You know, they're you know, they're having some issues with Paul. George.
It came up small came up small in in the playoffs, you know? I mean, I mean, he didn't know he did okay, but he kind of came up small mantra as Harold I think he's gone.
I think he's going.
E think he's gone.
I don't think you don't get paid either, Like the crazy one of the people.
So you he's gonna get hurt more.
If Pharaoh is gonna get paid, he's going to get paid from a team like a Sacramento Kings.
So I mean so George Paul George is in a four year $137 million contract, is making 34 point.
He's making $35.
4 million this season.
Um, the final years of player option.
So next season is the final year of his contract, and he could become a free agent after next season.
Let me ask you a question.
Is he somebody you would consider? No, because of the timeline, because now I really think about the old mad IPO to I don't think I will give up a boat boat to get him.
So I'm looking at the same thing as I'm looking at Paul George.
He's 37 years old.
30 I think, 30 31.
The only way we trade report.
We're bringing another another start playing to play with him other than that? No, it will serve no purpose.
Man serving a purpose not for you.
Serve no purpose, e.
He has no with the Knicks.
A game style, whatever.
He is not the guy.
Yeah, he's just not paying for the Knicks right now, bro.
I'll tell you what if the Knicks the Knicks look for someone who either Paul George or in Paul George is category category, then you know that that's when you talk about a quick fix.
Ralph on Riel, that's another quick.
Okay, that's when you start talking about quick fixes.
Now, if something happened where I was like, Yo, we gotta be and you get Paul George.
Yeah, that's something to think about.
But if you just bring Paul Deloney in now it's okay.
I like Paul George, but he's not far.
Timeline right now will kill R. J. Barrett, R.
J. Barrett game.
If for George was to come, that's gonna kill R.
I don't think so.
Just because I don't think I don't think it would.
I actually think I actually think that R.
Barrett has a stronger mindset than Paul George and has a stronger personality than Paul George and that RJ barons personality with outshine Paul George is That's what I think.
No, let me tell you something.
And that's why I gravitated to him, because the dude is just fearless and just just the kid.
I just like how he carrying some carried himself as a superstar.
You know, he could be one day, but he might not end up you, but he carried himself like a superstar.
It's almost like that Jimmy Butler, you know, looking at the superstar talent.
But the moxie carries a mock.
See what it's like.
Yeah, I'm better than anybody when I get on this court, I like that play here.
I don't wanna bring Paul George to the next because, like I said, that stigma that No, I don't think his mindset would be right for, you know, because I don't need it.
I don't I don't either.
E and I don't want I don't want to knock him for this.
I don't want to knock him for this, right, But, you know, he had some problems while he was in the bubble.
And, you know, it's something that's, um he had before also.
So it's not like only the bubble.
Yeah, yeah, you know, I just don't think he has a strong mind set and I don't think he can handle the Knicks.
You know what? You know what's killing these players, the Internet, and it is really killing his for his, uh, there's no other explanation of why these players filled some type of depression in a way, if it isn't for the fans, because the way to get chastised, I don't even know if it was the fans I think it was.
I think him with him being in a bubble.
It was being away from his family and then everything that was going on outside of, you know, just outside in the world.
I think he had a hard time dealing with with all of that, you know what I mean? And but to me, when it comes to these athletes and they talk about not not not, you know, play people don't have depression.
But it comes mostly from the faith because these dudes are in their phone as much as the younger kids are.
And when they opened up their Twitter, just imagine seeing mentions of Paul George is Paul drugs that yo bro, ain't no way a human or humans conscious can read all that and not feel some type of way e.
But But, you know, that's the reason why Kevin Durant responds back because I think that's the way he gets it off his chest.
E think that's the way he gets it off his chest.
I actually don't mind that, he responds back. I think it's funny.
Yeah, no, but Kevin the red problem Waas is that he wanted the title that LeBron had gotten when he won his championship.
They didn't like they just didn't announce him as the best player.
That was his whole great.
That was his whole block.
He didn't get that.
He didn't get what he wanted because he played with.
He played with such a story team, and he was.
His party was part of it.
He wasn't the sole reason he was part of it.
Now, if he was the sole reason, it would have been a different story, you would have to say, you know, this is the best dude in the world right now, but because he played with a cast like that in a two time, maybe what you think you got one guy averaging 28 28 6 and eight in the playoffs when you averaging over 28 points off so you don't get you Don't get all that time.
So s So we're gonna get to one more guy.
Let me get to a phone call first.
Then we'll get to another guy calling you live.
What's popping? Yeah, Sam, you know what's popping, brother? How you feeling? I'm feeling good, sir.
Say a quick fix a k e o put quick fix Mommy.
I'm not trying to quick fix nothing.
You know that you're not even gonna I'm not even gonna begin.
Not after I shouted on playoff P last week playoff that I would wanna play like that, you know? And I'm e called on late, but I was listening to you, Thio and peace to, you know, piece everybody to send everybody you know, Mark is always gonna be Mark.
But let me let me say this out of not even all the players, but that I want you guys talk about so far.
But I think what we're missing is is a certain type of player that we have to identify.
It was no mistake that Chris Paul gave Chris Paul with O. K. C.
Gave Houston all they wanted because of how he plays the game and how he got everybody else to play the game.
It's no mistake that Joker Joker was probably my personal favorite ballplayer outside of Paul and LeBron and the established guys, that he got his team in a certain situation because of how he plays the game.
We have to get people that know how to play the game and not afraid of being here in New York, and not just because they're they're one way, you know they could score.
They convinced they can that But they just really know how to play this game out here.
You know, I'm saying that's where, and that's the reason why when I hear about the movements of trying to trade a pig, I don't want to trade that a pig because I want them to find a way to get Obie toppings.
If you can't get Lemelle a bar or someone like that who knows how to play the game and move the ball, what I want them to find a way to get Obie topics.
You know that that kind of I watched him the other day and his offensive skill set someone like that that athletic Young can shoot the three in space.
The floor, you know, can move around.
Yeah, defense right now is whatever.
But that's why you have your defensive coaches, someone to come in to teach him how toe position and stuff like that.
Yeah, you know that.
That's that's my worry. We'll all be topping.
Listen, if he's there at the eighth pick, I'm taking him way looked at.
We looked at We did, you know, we did the whole, uh, mock draft and, you know, he was.
He was number one for that eighth pick.
If he's dead, the eighth pick.
But my concern with him, my concern with him is that I don't I mean, he's 22 he's a sop****re, he's 22.
My concern is that, you know, when I look at where his footwork is at the age of 22 it just concerns me.
I don't you know.
And so I get concerned that, you know, this is kind of who he is right now.
and I think he's gonna come in and make a little bit of and make a splash.
You know, he'll get a little bit better.
Um, but I think he's gonna come in, make a nice little splash.
People gonna say, Oh, this guy could be this, that and the other thing.
And then I think he's gonna level off, you know, because I think his footwork is about where it's gonna be.
Um, you know, he doesn't have a lot of offensive moves.
Bit pretty much brute strength and the ability to get up quickly.
Oh, you know, not that I wouldn't take him.
I'm just not sure if you know, his footwork is gonna grow.
And footwork is a huge part of defense, You know what I mean? She is a huge part, but you have tow have the desire.
So what I'm saying, I remember when the Knicks got Allan Houston and and with those old teams, that was like, he can't play defense.
He couldn't play defense in Detroit.
But once he got with some guys, that was gonna be like, Yo, you gotta play defense.
He was never a stellar defender, but he had effort is what I'm saying.
And he had enough basketball I Q that he was from.
You know, his father was a coach.
So that wasn't gonna be a problem for getting in the effort and stuff like that, you know, just being able to mend his game with other guys that was going to give effort so you could have the greatest defensive play on your team.
But if the rest of the guys on your team are bums, you know one man can't go, can't go to five guys.
You see what I'm saying? That if you don't have the philosophy like, you know what, this is what we're gonna do.
Not that we're gonna shut guys down, but we're gonna make it difficult.
That's not the coaching philosophy.
Then where you going with it? You know what I'm saying? But I also heard you guys talk about R J E.
I've seen the chat out here.
Don't get me wrong.
I think I think I think people don't.
I think the league did him dirty, not recognizing that if he shot 70% he was gonna averaged 17 points a game this year.
I e you hear how he said it, right? Basically, he just basically, he just said no offensive.
But wait, e brand Nubian e like r j.
I like RJ, but we're about to go head over on the young man.
And the thing about RJ's games that I saw even more so than the free throw shooting.
You know, stuff like that and on the threes is that sometimes I would see him try to be too athletic.
You know, when he got into that lane, he was trying.
I don't get when you're young, you wanna bang it on everybody.
You know what I'm saying? Which is which is one of the things I talked about with Knox.
You know, someone with all of his athleticism never trying to extend and the bang it on when I watch him.
Sometimes I'm like my guy.
You come in, you come into a gunfight with a 22 and you acting like you've got a 45 with your athletic.
That's not you're not.
You're not gonna bang it on a lot of people.
You're not gonna be but athletic.
So your game you have to change it up a bit and hopefully you putting in the work you're putting in the work in the all season to maximize the athletic ability that you got is what I'm saying.
Sometimes when I saw him come when I would see him come with that left hand and then the left hand will go even wider.
It will go even is that he was coming around the corner with it.
I'm like, you know why? Because you don't have the ups to get all the way up there.
Thio, do what you gotta do to do what you wanna do.
So let me ask the passion.
Do you question James Harden the gun.
Get off the floor.
That bill gets on the floor but still get to a spot and still scores because you can't you can't R. J.
Athletically coming out of college is not James Harden.
James Harden can always bang it on you.
He always had a certain athleticism that will low uto sleep because once once you once you once you once you walked you to sleep with that jumper.
You know he could He could do certain things to athletically and he And he was more athletic then.
Then then r j So So So So So So what are you saying about RJ Way Need to slow down.
We need to slow down.
I like him. He's a nice piece.
I wanted to move away as I told you last week.
You know that guy who you did the whole segment on and out of respect for you, I watched it.
You know? E did it are buried two.
And now I'm doing one on Frank, too.
Well, you're wasting your time with Frank one.
I gotta end this call, man.
You're killing me.
Who would you rather on your team, Frank? For that? Franco Who? A Dr Pepper kitten.
I'd rather Frank E Frank e.
I would rather Frank nil Aquino Verde me dots.
And yes, Damion Dotson, 26 about to be 27 years old or something like that.
Man, you just you just you just now You now you e don't matter.
No, I didn't say that.
I didn't say that.
E said for seaq.
Um, he started playing at a late age.
Damia Dots have been playing his whole life, and this is where he is.
At 26 27 years old, past Garcia comes started playing at a really late age.
That's why I said, That's why that's why, from what we see from Damien Dawson, you think Damien Dawson has got a fair shake here in New York.
I mean, I mean, listen, I don't think that Damien Dotson is gonna be much more than what he is.
He might have a couple of good years.
Well, maybe gets up to 10 points a game, but I don't think it's gonna be much more than what he is, even from even from the shoulder injury, which he rushed himself to come back from.
That's the kind of players he was still a better shooter than Frank will ever be.
And I like Frank on.
I like Frank, but it's something to say about his shooting and his confidence.
But I'll let you run.
I just want I just want to jump in real quick and, you know, talked about man that quick fix.
You know what? You already know what it is.
Hey, man, hey, said Dotson over. Frank.
I couldn't do it.
He's bugging him.
He's called us because I think people say I'll be talking some crap.
How dare you even making those two players in the same way? In the case of Intervals, a one second.
One second? Go ahead, Mark.
Gosh it. Listen.
Dotson is good, like he's a good role playing 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd guy coming off the best type of play for you to say that he is better than Frank Military that played them fever, basketball.
The star of the stars released and shut them down and see the basketball I've seen.
I've seen this guy.
I've seen this guy.
I've seen this guy.
Uh, hey, he's not a Z.
That's the one that's gonna knock down shots better than doubts.
Doubts is the shooter.
That's cool, but this is the guy that can still hit shots if if things are designed the way he should play because I've seen it, I've seen it all.
But number one he don't doctor don't carry the same tangible that Frank does.
No, not on this court.
Not on this court.
I Yeah, And I see some people.
I see some people saying that they would take dots Nova.
Frank, I just don't agree.
Dotson is 20 six years old.
Not that 26 is old, but for the MBA, it's, you know, it started to get up there.
Dotson is basically what he is.
He making hay making him.
He reached his ceiling.
He's like, what? We owe it a couple of percentage, you know, from the field.
All right, but it's not gonna be nothing more.
You know what I find about friends? Frank? Ceiling, Its's craziest.
He has another seal of defensively that he can go.
I'll tell you this.
That next game with Marcus Morris hit the three and I was in that building.
The defense that he plays one day when a team.
You know, when the Knicks, when the Knicks was locked in that game, I said, if if we get this level of consistency of basketball, where we in sync defensively like we wasn't some of those games, Frank is a super plus defender, like like this is so long when you count on this is a guy that gets into the teeth of a full offensive.
He bother star player, but I think what you did the look adopted.
I've never seen no other players get in his grill.
No other way of getting really Yeah.
Don't tell me Dotson is better.
No, Dotson is a good defender, right? But he's not.
I don't He doesn't have the lock down.
He doesn't have the potential to be a lock down defender.
I think Frank has the potential to be a lock down defender.
Then I watched this guy once summer take out Donovan Mitchell.
You know so well.
You know how hard it is to stay in front of those to let me get to this call.
Let me get to this call.
You lie. What's popping z o e.
It's all good, bro. I feel you.
No, I just want to get my little opinions on certain things. E.
I feel like I don't want us to get caught up in the low free agency this year.
There's really nobody on the market and I feel like last year I kind of erased last season e put all the way out my brain like there's 27 different things that was wrong with the last season.
So I was like, I really try not to judge everybody like I feel like the J Taubate down on him and I just feel like he just had a bad year.
Like I don't want to see him go E feel like he's still got a lot of potential to show.
And I feel like with Thibodeau is gonna come out better this year like she had personal thing and culturing this stat in the third.
And now he's this.
You see, they got a whole new staff.
You see the little instagram post everybody individually working with somebody particular that that's to the favor of the challenge.
Okay? And I rather like the only trade I would probably try to do is the CP three trade, and only because he's like a floor coach, right? Like I don't want I don't want to spend mad draft picks and mad assets on on this one or that one, because every single person that comes up I feel like I see it's a higher price like oh, this one is more picks.
This 13 picks this 14 picks for Paul.
I don't care about Paul George.
Yeah, I don't care about this one or that one, cp three because he legit is like on the floor, coach.
And as long as he gets us closer to the playoffs like cops, who we have and we can we could get into the A C.
Because then that just unless other players know we can manage that, I can bring them over the hurdle between picks that we got this year.
Like, I think we should just pick topping, because if we get CP three and we take topping the next thing that we already improving, but well, I mean topping.
I mean, obey topic may not be there at the eighth pick for me.
I'd rather see the topping Coal, Anthony.
Or, like RJ Hampson e like uh, yeah, I'm not believe it or not, because sometimes listen, it doesn't it doesn't really matter what Donovan, metro director, that I just feel like that can buy something special.
And like, you know, you just see certain places you just look like Now they have it like I feel like Argent.
Hampton has that personality for New York, and I don't think he'll be there 27 and e he may have the personality he may have the personality.
You know, say he doesn't have the personality, but I just don't know if you take him as high as eight.
I think there's going to be better players out before him.
I was talking before him, but it's not depending.
Everybody else is kind of projected before that.
You know what I mean? Before the office, everybody else that that would applaud us kind of really much projected already.
So who, you know, aside from like those three, that's who, Obviously, because if we don't catch, if co Anthony is hopping out there and we don't take RJ Hansen, we're not gonna get him at 27.
I mean, you could be right.
You could be right.
You know, he's projected to be somewhere between 22 25 or 20 and 25.
I think that's his projections.
That's just projections.
Yeah, like late teens, early twenties around there before us.
Yeah, I don't know.
A draft CP three and you gotta keep three as a coach.
I mean, if I was the Knicks and I was really looking for r J.
Hampton and I was like, This is the guy that I want and I'm going to trade down.
I had ac***ulated I tried to ac***ulate some more assets and trade down.
Yeah, man, bring will be the only other one that I would consider trading for dependent.
That would be like, Yeah, because because I would do the eighth.
Well, you know, Well, you know, I think with Kelly, you bray they might be looking to give up a pick or something like that.
Ain't that right? Phoenix is looking to give up to give up a pick to move them or something like that.
Like I said, that three way deal with the okay, so that's a value.
But that can happen with the next Phoenix, and Okay, so right.
Yeah, that would be That would be That'd be That'd be something that be something, cause I like Kelly. You break.
He's not a great shooter.
He's not a great shooter.
He's a decent She's okay.
35% last year from the three point line.
That was his highest ever.
Um, but, you know, I like that he's a defender.
He averaged 19 points per game, despite, you know, his three point shooting.
And if you could get him in a draft pick, I think that's, you know, no, e I honestly, I was all for getting rid of Randall.
It depends like I don't really like.
If we could get CP three and we have to kind of stick with Randall.
I don't mind having Randall on a rock.
Well, you already know Way could hop out right? If I'm correct.
No, he can't opt out.
The Knicks have a team.
She could help him out next to the Knicks.
The Knicks could be like We don't want him no more.
But last season he was **** there.
The first primary scorer that we had kind of rely on this upcoming season, he wouldn't be that he would be the third or fourth, as he should be, depending on who you got on the team.
Yeah, like if we had CP three and you got R.
Barrett, you got mentioned Robinson He's almost your fourth.
Your fourth option, which he would play great and on the type of does not gonna let him run the ball.
And, you know, like he was doing his last, you know? Listen, you got everybody could go and everybody could go and check out my video.
You know, where I think Tom Thibodeau would use Julius Randle? Given the fact that given that not the fact given that he's still here, where you would use Julius Randle.
Ah, lot of that is in that top, uh, elbow elbow area.
You know what I'm saying? And you see, you know, and I'm not just having him and I'm not just showing him score from that elbow area.
I'm showing him Get assist.
I'm showing him Set screens do a lot of things.
Mark, go look at it.
You can learn something Anyway, my man.
I appreciate your car, bro.
E appreciate it.
E watched minutes of it left a comment and dipped out.
You should have watched the whole thing.
You could have learned something, but anyway, I don't need to learn.
Let's talk about Joel and be Let's talk about Joel and be man e talk about Joel and be all right.
You cool with that Going s so so eso Look, Jo, Ellen, be obviously.
Look, obviously we know Doc Rivers just went to Philadelphia.
I'm not sure how that's gonna work out.
What I'm saying, something's gonna happen.
It's gonna have to be some moving around.
You know what I mean? Off players, Joel Embiid is one who people say Could could be moved from Philadelphia.
Are you interested in Joel Embiid? I am not really interested in Joel and beat.
I'm not interested in Joel Embiid or his contract.
Okay, you know what I'm saying? I'm not interested in the guy.
I just don't I don't I just I'm just not interested in He's a good player.
So it's not what I want.
I feel like he's too slow.
I don't think those two places going nowhere.
They're not going nowhere.
They may not be able to make let him go anywhere, but, um, as your question who? What a question.
Whose trade? What is really going to get for Joel N. B.
David Adam, the Chris Paul? What? Even out of the Chris Paul, Stephen Adams and Chris Paul for Joel and be even swap money matches.
You will be a re**** because number one, he's not gonna give up 25 point game scorer for Steven Adams.
We already know what he does.
And Chris Paul's 35.
I'm not doing it.
Why am I? Why would I do that here? Because Steven Adams Steven Adams fits your center bill that you need.
He moves faster than Joel Embiid, which is what? Which is what really needs.
They need to be able to move up and down the court.
They need a center that doesn't have doesn't need the ball in their hands.
And what that automatically does is it moved its forces Ben Simmons to get out of that point guard position where he doesn't need to be because he's not shooting.
And I put Chris Paul in the one and Ben Simmons at the three or four, and then you could have our Orford starting at the five and Steven Adams coming off the bench.
Maya's Harris at the four.
Let me tell you something, and I'm leaving that up.
Listen, So Joanna B.
Is Joanne and be Joanne and be could be the center.
The big man guy that O k.
C could actually use in the paint while the other the other three guards run up and down the court.
What? Hey, but do any of you do any of you look at your well and beat and say you want him on the Knicks E? I don't care about O K.
Do you look and say you want him on the next listen situation, Right? Okay.
So what? What's the price then? What's the price? Denmark? Because Joel Embiid is in the middle off a large contract.
Alright, I'm gonna read out.
I'm gonna read out his contract to you.
He made 27 million this year.
He makes 29 million in 24,021.
31 million in 2021 2022 33.
6 million in 22.
All right, so what's the price tag? What's the price tag? And how does he fit with R.
Barrett and the Knicks? Listen, I would say this.
No one except for R J.
Anyone else could be traded like this.
Like when people say that they don't work like I can't like.
They have been a playoff team since a court.
He is a talk to me about How about the Knicks on why it would work with the Knicks? I don't care if it worked with Philly or not, Obviously.
Listen, I'm giving.
Listen, I'm giving.
I'm giving a Mitch Mitchell have to go knocks what? I have to go, Frank or Dem Smith Or first round first, I think the eighth pick would have to go.
I'm taking Joel Embiid.
I don't care because I have Tom Thibodeau.
And if you're talking about lining him up with a talented Senate like in Joel and be that can almost do anything on the floor, I'll be okay taking Joel and be like Stop it because sin is not even better than him is not. Stop it.
I'm gonna tell you, I don't wanna have anything to do with oil and be one.
I think you put Joel in B R J R J is going to get faster, but you will be a slow half court teen with those guys.
I think because the ball is gonna play between those two players to be a slow half court team.
I think I'm afraid of his knee injuries going forward into the future, right? There's always gonna be knee injuries.
And then, you know, I just don't.
I feel like he's like he's got this Dwight Howard goofy attitude, like when Dwight Howard was young.
When Dwight when Dwight Howard was young, that was the big knock on him that he can't get serious enough to just focus on the game and really take it to where he should have taken it to.
And I feel like Joel and be kind of has that same thing, which is I want guys that want that that is serious and we just wanna come dog it out.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
All that wide shot really changed the outlook on N.
B because that shot did not go in and be it will be looked differently.
Like I hate when people now you can't do this.
It that's my opinion.
It was my opinion on him before I could care about less about that shot.
It happens in the MBA.
It happens in the MBA.
That was my opinion on him before that shot.
It is my opinion on him now.
Yeah, what I'm saying, I don't think he takes it as serious as he could.
You know? I'm saying and it's not about him joking and stuff because Shock joked a lot, but Shock took the game serious when he he still took the game.
Seriously, you know what I'm saying? I feel like, you know, I feel like and be, you know, kind of has that same kind of Dwight Howard type of thing.
Uh, but I like I like Joel and be personally so it's a 50 50 thing with me.
So it's like if we don't have to give up much to get him, I'll be cool with that.
If I have to give up, give up everything to get him, bro, what are you talking about? There's no there's no give up.
If we don't have to give up much, you got to give up the whole block to get him the money.
The money doesn't.
The money alone is not going to allow us Thio not get fleeced if you go to If you go after George, Did you did you hear the contract.
He made $27 million this year.
You make $31 million next year, and he makes $34 million a year after that.
We are getting fleeced right now.
In order to make that happen, they're not going to just 12 players.
They're gonna want draft picks.
And the money is not gonna match up, bro.
We got to get fleeced to get your oil and be so the answer is hell, no, that's it.
The answer Don't know.
They're gonna want Mitch, right? And he's gonna like contract, so that's not gonna That's not gonna make it cut.
That means they're gonna have to throw on Julius Randle.
He's gonna $18 million contract, But that's gonna make the cut somebody else.
So Z Okay, so now So now you add body Portis, right? Then we lose the power forward.
We only got old Taj Gibson left, right? Yeah, you're running.
You're running your front court e understanding an Olympic Games.
Listen, I understand the ****ytics of the game, right where Bobby Portis, Frankly, David was specifically the best three man lineup that we had in the team.
But again, we are still getting fleeced because quarters has worked anything.
We're gonna have to sign a major contract forum after next season and that we're gonna get fleas for that.
That means Mitchell Robinson, that yo young, you know, the young guy that we're putting our stock in tow the golden Jim that we found in the second round is gone.
I'm not willing to dio let me let me ask you guys, let me ask.
Let me ask you this, Andy.
Let me ask you, Andy if if because it is possible I got tips on my team, man.
Hold on, hold on.
I'm talking to Andy, right? It is possible that if you wave Bobby Portis right, you wave Taj Gibson.
You wave overpaid in this and that.
You know, you could come up with $40 million.
Is it possible that Philly would be desperate enough to say, Hey, Knicks, give us a second round draft pick.
You absorb oil and beats contract, and then they free up $37 million so that they could be players in the 2021 in the 2021 free agency.
Is that possible.
And if so, would you do it me personally for as faras next standpoint, I don't think we're gonna even even look at m B.
But if I'm, you know, in Phillies, you know, spot, I think I can get Ah, high first round pick, even like maybe the Golden State one.
Maybe, You know, personally, I don't think it's gonna work, but I think they could get a top three pick.
You know, And in this in this in this draft, right? Probably.
So yeah, so? So I would rather go that route than than, you know, just to absorb Bobby contract Bobby Portis, contractor and Elfrid Payton one.
So you know that that that would be personally me.
So So I would rather go, you know, to Golden State and tell them I'm gonna do I'm gonna, you know, trade you Joel Embiid.
You can find a 13 to do a three way to, you know, trade or stuff like that on and and try to work it that way and get a high pick from from from LA standpoint, maybe a, you know, a couple of picks for the future years.
But you know that as far as Philly could probably go, you know, absorbing golden contracts.
So do you think do you think Golden State you think Golden State has interesting Jomandi? No, personally, not because he's not gonna He's not gonna fit there by any, anyway.
Anyway, you would like to, you know, see it.
You know, and stuff like that.
He's not gonna fit the system because they play fast pace and then be it's not for that.
But if they can find a 13 that's willing to, you know, get and beat and they have no chance to get them straight out of Philly and some kind of, you know, measure some kind of deal with Golden State giving up the pick.
Um, then losing, you know, putting up a contract.
And those guys getting a piece for for the to the warriors.
I think that that might be possible.
Eso you think? You think they're gonna give up those two before they look to try to trade Tobias Harris or Horford first? Because we o e what do you want some nobody? Yeah.
Hey, Started breaking up bad.
You got excited started. Started breaking up crazy.
Uh, but I don't think this is I don't think there's much of, ah market for Tobias Harris, Tobias Harris, Tobias Harris just into this contract.
So listen, he made 30.
He made 32.7 this year.
Makes 34 next year 36 2021 22 37 22 23 then 39 million in 23.
He is not worth that.
You talk about Fred Van Fleet not being worth 22 million.
He is not worth that money here.
No, I've said that long ago.
I said that long ago, but it is a trade for Tobias Half bloody Hill.
The Buddy Hill Swamp.
I was doing the same work, uh, walk.
And also they have to do is give up a pick.
Because, buddy, you're gonna wanna play for the king some more so they could swap.
I'm bringing it.
I'm bringing a deadeye shooter that they need because Tobias Harris ain't no knockdown shooter like buddy here.
I don't think even Sacramento was that crazy to invest that amount of money.
And Tobias Harris and they're not a winning franchise.
Okay, Why? Why would why would they? Why would they pay to bias Harris until 2023? 2024? So let me ask the question.
You know what, 2021 coming up? Who's going to Sacramento? That's That's the only point that this whole thing seems that, like Sacramento and like those small market teams that no free agent is even looking at those teams they have toe absorb e.
I mean, there wouldn't really be absorbed.
I mean, they'd be absorbing some of it.
Listen, buddy, heels contract, but listen.
But he'll be like, Alright, nobody's He's not on the trade like he's not on the trade market.
We need to be talking about buddy.
Hell, that's what we need to be.
Oh, but listen, every so so like we really, because nobody has on Nobody has wired headphones in.
We really can't talk at the same time.
This is gonna break up big time.
Um, I couldn't see a Sacramento doing that for Buddy.
Hell, Buddy Hill goes into a new contract starting next season, and then his contract descends.
He starts off making 24.
9, He ends up making 19 million.
Right? Tobias Harris.
His contract in 2024.
He makes $40 million.
Sacramento would be paying double in the same year.
If they make that tree, it's really don't go for buddy here, right? Remember, they're gonna have to give up more.
So I'm giving you Tobias Harris.
Whatever lottery pick that Philly has like because the first round pick Sacramento has to do that.
Because now they haven't saying that.
Buddy Hills, not even entering the cultures call like he wants out.
Because the culture is playing playing as 1/6 man.
He wanted to be the star, so he's going through.
So now if I was really? I'm gonna ask them.
Listen, I'm gonna give you Tobias Harris, and I'm gonna give you a first round pick.
First round pick you want here as a bad team, I'm taking that cause I'm still taking a 26 year old Tobias knowing that I'm not gonna get no free agency.
You know, for agents, they're just gonna be that type of team.
Forget until Fox a worldly and taken to the next level, but until that you have no leverage, bro.
Tobias Harris to me, that to me, To me, Tobias Harris is not the kind of guy you spend $40 million on and I don't know.
And you don't cap strap.
Strap yourself for five years on a player.
That's that's not gonna be worth that money.
It would be crazy.
Especially when Buddy Heels contract is going down.
If they're going to trade Buddy healed, Sacramento can do, can do better.
They could do better, because the way his contract instruction, they could do better out there with somebody else without taking on a crazy contract like that.
You know what I'm saying? What about buddy here for the Knicks? How you feel about Buddy Hills for the Knicks? No.
Yes, The reason why, Yeah, because milk is the perfect fit.
Next, R J, you need a You need a shooter who could really shoot next o j.
Imagine RJ next to buddy.
Hell, that's what we need.
That's who we need to go after.
Absolutely. All right.
So what? So what do you give it up for him? Give a give a time What a time! Go ahead, God, A Julius Randle D S j maybe knocks in the 27th pick.
Why not? Thanks.
Whoa! Why are you giving him so much? 38th pick.
38th pick in like Julius Randle to me.
Honestly, D s J has no trade value.
I really don't count him as an NBA basketball player right now, So I don't value what we're talking about in terms of DJs trade value.
I think he's a throwing and he could be thrown in if they want him.
So not the 27th.
Maybe the 38th Julius Randle.
And the reason why you're giving up Julius Randle's because his contract is not that great either.
I mean, he's not a fit for the Knicks.
So Julius Randle, 38 maybe Knox, maybe Knox and then D s J uh, beholder.
But why do you have to give, uh, if you're gonna give up? Julius Randle, hold a If you're going to give up Julius Randle, right.
You're gonna give up Julius Randle.
He's making $19 million.
Why do you got to give up D S J and knocks? You only need one other person to make the salary cap.
Match E was one of the first ones that came up with that trade scenario, like two months ago, right? So you can make.
So we understand that right now Sacramento is one of the low market teams that's in a crappy position that because they signed Buddy healed to that big contract, they're gonna be one of the guys that takes that cut, right? They're gonna be one of those guys that take that cut.
So you give up the players that are on the one in one contract.
You treat them Bobby Portis, Elfrid, Payton and, uh, and Wayne Ellington and whoever and maybe Reggie Bullock, maybe Reggie Bullock out of all those players.
What Sacramento actually needs is a power forward who can shoot.
And that's body for this, right? So now what they do is that gives them the ability toe bail out right after you make that trade again.
The only one in one contract so Sacramento can immediately wave Elfrid Payton.
If they chose, they could wave Reggie bullet.
They, if they chose their for **** sure, can waive Wayne Ellington if they chose, because the money already matches when If you just do Bobby Portis and and Buddy Healed or Bobby Portis or Give me Bobby Portis and Reggie Bullock and the Buddy Hill Package already matches.
So when you make that trade, you give them the option to drop and wave off the other contracts, which means they save money.
In the long end, we don't need to do no extra picks.
We don't need to do know Kevin Knox.
We don't need to do DSK and Julius Randle because Julius Randle's money already surpasses what Take Buddy Hell is gonna make this year, so we don't need to throw in any extras we could literally give them just the players that are about to be waived.
And then that could be even.
And they actually gain some because they could keep Bobby Portis and they could way Wayne Ellington.
They go way where people look and they saved their money in the long run.
We don't have to do all that extra stuff and get rid of our assets.
We don't so Sim reader reader read off, read off Buddy else age to me and read off his contract because he got paid $90 million and I'm gearing up for 2021.
Why would I want to bring $90 million online? Okay.
So Buddy Healed is 27 years old.
All right, hold up.
Hold on. Let me read this contract again.
I'll read it again.
He's 27 years old.
His contract begins in 24,021.
This is when it begins.
So the first year, he makes 24.9.
The second year he makes 22.9.
The third year he makes 21 then the fourth year 20 in 2023. 2024.
I listen to him.
If he was Ray Allen type of the type of player, I'll take him in a bit.
But he's not even that man.
He's okay. Shooting guard.
He never had so to compare him to reality.
Oh, we need shooters.
Plain and simple.
We absolutely need thio.
Like putting somebody like buddy next to R J is how we need to build.
He's still young.
And the reason why I said all those players, um, in terms of like giving up d j maybe Knox is.
Honestly, when it comes to d.
I don't really value what he brings.
I feel like I feel like just basketball wise. He showed.
So he he showed us last year that he just don't got it.
He just does not got it.
Um, And when it comes to Julius, I'm personally tired of seeing the whole spin dribble.
I feel like we could ship that off the Sacramento And where, and and like, it is addition by subtraction in that you're cooking that.
So Okay, that's how I feel.
Yeah, but if you wanna move Julius Randle, you don't need If you wanted to move Julius Randle for Buddy Hills, you don't need toe.
Add all these other players.
You can use them for something else.
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Hold on, hold on, hold up.
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Is this the article? The article came out today.
Matter of fact, it came out at, like just a couple of hours ago.
So Kevin Knox is the key to prying Chris Paul off the thunder.
This is by the New York Post. Mark Berman.
He said the Knicks president Leon Rose takes takes the lead for 35 year old Chris Paul.
He may have to give up on Kevin Knox.
According to an MBA source.
It's under a motive.
Hold up, Hold up, Let me finish ring the thunder.
Motivated to deal Paul in his massive contract after deciding upon a rebuilding campaign following Billy Donovan's firing, Oklahoma City's GM Sam Presti will likely won a first round pick in a young prospect amid his, uh, in his rookie contract, According to the source, the young player, preferably is knocks mhm, which was who was the ninth pick in the 2018 MBA draft, and he's coming off a disappointing, disappointing sop****re campaign.
The Knicks have a troll for first round picks. The deal.
They got seven first round picks in the next four drafts.
However, the belief is they prefer to keep the 20 year old knocks out of any Paul scenario and offer up either the 2017 ladder pick point guard Frank Nil Akina or Dennis Smith Jr right, who are restricted free agents in 2021.
The Thunder already have their point guard of the future in SG A and the Thunder are not big fans of Dennis Smith Jr If the Knicks eventually give up Knocks and Julius Randle and appalled deal, Carmelo Anthony will likely look to ride back to the rescue and joint Paul and be their starting small forward or power forward.
Anthony and Paul are close friends and, of course, arguably roses.
Two favorite former clients at Sea A Anthony's 36 years old rejuvenate his career in Portland, and he praised he can return to the Blazers as a free agent.
However, Paul coming to the Knicks could alter those plans, adding Knox would be concerning because the Knicks hired Kenny Pain, the former Kentucky assistant to Tom Thibodeau, staff a Paul slash Anthony Addition with Demonstrate, Rose has decided to go all in on breaking the Knicks into the 70 year playoff drought.
They would become serious playoff contenders as long as the perennial All Star from Winston Salem talk about Chris.
Paul has his legs when he turns 36 inches spring next spring.
Then, of course, it goes on and talk about how league sources believe Oladipo and Paul are tunics.
Trade priorities wouldn't imagine if they traded for both of them.
I don't know how that would happen, but the biggest issue is the two time All Star Oladipo will be a free agent in 2021 has returned to the and hasn't returned to Elite form after tearing his patella tendon in his knee during the 18 4019 season.
In any block wants to trade, the Knicks probably have to add Julius Randle to the mix.
Adding Paul in the two years and 85 million left on his contract would likely kill the salary cap space for the next two seasons.
I think both players are equal value, okay, this is this is this is Bobby Marks, he said.
I think both players are equal value and I would even give Chris Paul on edge.
Despite his salary and age, ESPN cap Gurule Bobby Marks told The Post.
I have concerns if Oladipo can get back to the high level he was before the injury.
He is on an expiring contract and can leave us as a free agent.
It will likely not sign an extension.
And then the question is, where is he health wise anyway? You know, we've talked about it plenty of times.
Kevin Knox included in the Chris Paul trade.
You know, he would be the key for O. K.
Because they they're rebuilding and they want young players.
So to get so Andy to get Chris Paul, would you include Kevin Knox? He personally, if it would take Kevin Knox, Dennis Smith Jr.
A first round pick and then just can't fillers like Bobby Boris, I might consider it, But if it's if it's Kevin Knox, then it's me, junior and even Julius Randle in a first round pick.
That would be that I would have to sit on that and think about it.
But if it would be, you know, like like a Randall.
Then it's me, junior knocks and a two first round picks. Professional.
It would be hard for me.
Um, you know, if if we're getting Chris Paul, I think you've got to keep Randall for the purposes that he might pan out.
If he's gonna have ah, floor general like Chris Paul, he might pan out, you know? And that's the thing that I would feel we would give up and and, you know, and that would be our our bad move.
Um, assed faras.
Okay. See, you would see it.
I think they're gonna want, you know, at least Kevin knocks.
You know, Frank, Toby fired with, you know s g a and then, like, a couple of first round picks, you know that that that will be, I think too much for us, at least for me, because I'm It's not like those seven first round picks or not to be moved.
But, you know, you can't give up like, you know, three in this trade and then to in the future, right? So you you gotta start.
You know, try to keep as much as possible to to yourself and then try to move them if the deal is, you know, a good deal, right? So you know, if it's a first round pick, one of let's say that the 2021 the lower pick in the first round, it doesn't matter if it's the Dallas big words or it's our pick and and it's knocks d S j and then not feeling like Bobby Borders, I might do it.
But you know, everything.
I think it's too much her So me a couple of weeks ago, remember a couple of weeks ago we were talking that, you know, they would have to give picks to us within the Chris Paul trade.
Right now we're something it up.
So why hate that article? So much looking Thio.
Right? So you have to attack with their vulnerable.
They have to start being rid of tax.
There is no way they can demand what they're demanding.
Were there because they have to get rid of side.
They want to get rid of salary, bro.
They wanna get rid of that contract.
That was the case in the Chris Paul.
What happened on Mark? The biggest point for us getting Chris Paul is to mentor, the young guys.
If you're gonna play Frank and you're going to trade knocks, you know it's gonna leave you with mentoring D S. J.
I don't think that's our priority, right? This is what I'm offering.
This is what I'm offering.
Take Jewish Randall by reporters and those $2 picks.
That's what I'm offering.
I'm not giving them knocks in that deal to take a player that y'all really looking to get rid of.
They're looking to get rid of him, not keep get rid of him.
So in that case, what? Why would a young team Why would a young Why would A younger organization is going to give up their assets to take agent play even though he's good, But his cap is at 30 plus on.
I know the team want to get rid of him.
I know the team want to get rid of the tax salary, so that is our advantage.
Listen, we put this on the table, if that if that don't bull**** way, move on from that because now with the Chris Paul thing, I want to see what other teams are in play before the next could make a move.
Now, if other teams in play way would have, we would have to make a move on that.
But if there's no other team to make a move on that the next give out what they want to give out.
We're not giving up.
Kevin Knox will get Chris Paul and give up a first round pick.
No, no, that should be the other way around.
You give me Chris Paul.
I don't care if you get your first.
We're gonna give me Christmas for the deal that I want to give you.
I'm not giving up my young talent for that, knowing that you want to get rid of his contract more than one to keep the player.
You want to get rid of the money because they're gonna look to trace Steven Adams Also.
That that article Probably Cotman Bull crack. No way.
Hey, but but you don't know.
I mean, you don't know what o k.
C could be asking that Maybe this is what they're asking for right now.
If they e what they're doing, what they what they did for the rest of what they fleeced.
They stay with the fleecing guard.
So they're looking at mix as a dumb organization like every other team looked at.
The Knicks makes mistakes, that's what that's what teams look at the next meeting.
So let's see if we could pry prize some extra out of them.
Know we stand ground until you see what other teams going play for Chris Paul.
If there's none, they have no leverage.
Oh, that's case.
You keep that 30.
I mean, of course, that Z true. That's true.
If there's none, if there's none, if there's none.
If there's no other teams out there, then they don't have much leverage, right? They Maybe It depends on how much the Knicks want him to write.
You know, they may be happy to keep him.
They may say, You know what? We'll keep him for another year.
You never know E knocks because, like I said, he's very intriguing, bro.
He is so intriguing, and I would love to see what Tom Thibodeau I'm not giving.
He's 20 years old.
I'm not giving up on them like that.
I might not right.
Something's with him, but because I have this coach, I'm feeling more confident, but I'm gonna If I'm going to give up a play like that, it has to be more off younger.
Younger buddy saw something like that.
I'm not giving up on the other to get rid of money trying to run something on me right now.
I'm just saying, you know, there may be some competition for him out there.
E mean, it's like this If I'm the Knicks, even if this competition for him out there, I know where I'm stopping that when it comes to a trade.
And I'd be like, Okay, I don't care what's out there.
You know, I'm not making this tree.
Three cats space we have.
Listen, we have the cat players that they could get rid off and we could give you a Dallas pick if you want to have it.
But I'm not giving up, Kevin.
I'm not giving up my player, not give them a player.
But if you want to, Dallas pits and you take body ports and Randall and just listen.
You could take any other guard like Doctson or something like that.
But I'm not giving.
I'm not giving up Kevin off for a deal that I know they want to get rid of the salary they want to get.
Really sorry, not the player.
They wanna get rid of salary.
So that's that's That's different, man. That's different.
Sweets, that e Let me see what I was like, Every single player that we're talking about.
We need better context.
Like if we're talking about Chris Paul, we're talking about somebody who's going to come in and mentor the young guys and hopefully give us a chance to be competitive next season, perhaps make the playoffs next season, all to develop the young guys so it doesn't make sense to get rid of rise young guys that like you want to keep in order to go get Chris Paul.
I also don't think we should even up picks.
I don't think we should be giving up any.
They going to get Chris Paul at the end of the day like Chris, Paul is one of those players that, like we could talk about in context, to say Hey, this is a player who has the basketball I Q to take us to the next level.
We were talking about Joel Embiid earlier.
I kind of agree with Mark and I disagree with Simeon in terms of like, I think Joel Embiid is a type of guy that you can build around and you like, you know? But however that's different than, like that is different than like Tobias Harris.
Tobias Harris is not some guy that you pay $40 million and making your absolute absolute best player.
You're not going anywhere with that.
So I think we just need better context around these players we were talking about.
Um, Oladipo Oladipo is another guy.
I'm not giving up the whole farm for Oladipo.
He can't be healthy and you know he's not a he's not going to take us to the So you think Joel Embiid is gonna stay healthy? E think I think healthy Joel Embiid is somebody who is a transcendent player.
Honestly, do you think he Oh, do you think that he's going to stay healthy? That's what I mean.
If he stays healthy, you could say that about a lot of players, right? Is he going to stay healthy? Try.
Honestly, it's worth the tribe is worth a try with somebody like that s so look.
So since since, since I just don't think so, since he's been back since he's been back.
Like seriously been back and played 2016.
He played 31 games.
He played 63 games.
He played 64 games this year.
He played 51 games and of course, the team played 60.
Whatever games, right? Okay, I just don't think the guy is gonna be 66 game.
That's not but 66 ain't terrible, but that's not 82.
I mean, I mean, I mean no.
He played 51 of the 66 games in 2018 19.
He played 64 off the 82 games.
In 17 18 he played 63 of the 82 games, 16 17.
He played 31 of the 82 games.
I just don't think that he's ever going to be a healthy player that you could depend on, you know? I mean, yeah, he's gonna put up some Gardi numbers.
I don't think I don't think you're going.
I don't think the Knicks air going someplace with that guy.
In my opinion, I don't think that I don't think so.
I don't think he's actually, he's not really.
That's what I was talking about, Buddy Hill E.
I think that's a real option out there.
I mean, really, please talk about the more really watches.
Why would I do that? Why would I take home? But But for $90 million a sacramental, you don't want to give them that evil.
His contract is going down The worst parts of Buddy.
His contract is over.
The worst part of this the worst, but no, the worst.
The worst part happening became.
Yet his contract doesn't start until next season.
It ain't even started yet.
And remember when they were stopping here? He wanted 1 10.
They gave him 90.
They don't even want to give him 90 and now he's disgruntled.
You don't wanna play for the King's because he's not in the starting role.
He's not even old.
The depo type of a player who I feel like that kid uplift the team.
To a certain extent.
He's an okay, complementary player.
He's good, but not for $90 million.
And if if I'm okay with keeping Randall because of his contract, and I'm waiting to keep my door open for 2021.
Why would I bring on Buddy Hill to take on the extra 90? Because he will be making 24 next year.
Right? Then he'll be making 24.
It does go down.
It does go down.
It goes down every year.
But you know, you're on the books with him till 2023.
2000, 2000 2014.
All right, way you act like this is like your money going out the door.
Who else are we paying? We need to weigh.
Absolutely need a shoot way.
Need a compliment next to R.
And you know, I could understand folks who are way.
All right? I can understand people who say, You know what? Let's draft Desmond Bain.
Erin, Erin. Nice Smith.
Let's drive from some other shooter next to our job.
I could understand that point if you want to make that point, but the fact is that we need shooting.
We need to shoot it a long time ago and not a guy like you is a elite shooter.
He is what he is.
He could get hot.
And then next, RJ, you put those two together, You got the Oh, Hey, Mark.
You got to remember, You guys remember nobody has wired headphones in, so it was gonna be a lot of feedback and noise.
When you talk over top of each other, let him finish what he's saying.
I'm just saying that we have the money.
Who else are we spending this money on? Like we have the money, we need to shoot it.
I feel like complimentary wise.
You know, Mark just said it.
Well, he said that he is a complementary piece now.
Is he overpaid? Hell, yeah.
He's definitely overpaid.
But you understand, if you look at that contract, the reason why that contract is structured that way is s so that other people other teams won't be able to match that or won't be able to, like, you know, hold up some more money against No, no, no, no.
Like they want to toe When he was when he was signing that No.
When he was signing that deal.
When? When he was signing that deal, there was no competition for the dude.
The only competition was him wanting 1 10 and they something they suffer for 90.
I am not paying him $90 million when I'm open to 2021 which is around the corner.
That's why that's why I'm ok with Randall being if he goes to bed because his deal come off, I'd rather dip into 2021 pool than to look at Buddy Hill.
He's not gonna change anything.
Super drastically for me, for me paying.
And how much? How much would that be on our captain? How much consents would that be on our cap? I'm not I'm not sure what the percentages, but see my question, my question with I mean, his contract is so long.
Are we in a position and ready to sign these? These type of long contract.
Do you go four years? You know what I'm saying? I'm not doing that.
If you're not Bradley Bill, four years, then that's different.
I mean, yeah, you know what? I'm signing a long contract.
It's either gonna be This is the rookie This is my first round rookie.
So you got to sign him to a long contract or this is a player that I know is definitely a foundational piece that's going to be that there's gonna be a trance track, you know, uh, franchise changing guy.
You know what I'm saying? For for that for that length? I don't think Buddy Hill is that kind of guy for that length.
No, but see, my I'm not talking but real quick real quick.
When it comes to Buddy Hill, I don't think he's gonna be a foundational player in himself.
I feel like the combination of him and R J is building a foundation together like Yo, we can't way Oh, the Knicks are not gonna be able to go out there and sign every single superstar free agent just because they have the money we've seen time and time again.
We need to be able Thio Like what? Trump? This carries to finish smart.
If you pair the two together, that RJ next to Buddy, you got one who could drive.
You got one who could shoot and Buddy Hill.
I was looking at the stats.
He like he, um, is a better player than t. J.
I'm sorry. Not J.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, he is.
He has scored more points than Tim Hardaway.
Hey, has better shooting percentages than Tim Hardaway.
He is a better player all together, then Tim Hardaway.
So it's not recreating that situation we need.
The shooting is playing it, so we absolutely e confined.
I think we could find a shooting elsewhere without, without without, without committing to such a long contract.
And number one Tim Hardaway.
Listen, he was way more powerful last year, then, but he will ever be for Sacramento, bro.
That's how you gotta equated Sacco.
But he was not moving the needle for Sacramento for me to be paying in four years.
$90 million Now, if he was like is like trading eyes like trading for vehicles.
Madiba, I know he's gonna move the needle more then Buddy Hill for $90 million.
If I gave Victor $90 million right now, I would be fine with that because I know he could move the needle.
Buddy Hill is not even move the needle.
You know who's even better than him who took his minutes.
The Bogdanovich's kid, the Bardon.
If it's kid, he was way more impact with anybody here.
So please, please, you need to go back and watch buddy of that as much as a such as we came down Tim Hardaway because it was shot selection.
But as a player, that kid was so important to what Dallas did last year.
There's nobody compare Buddy tomorrow because he was far away, more important for Dallas and what they was doing.
So what bloody hell and knows exactly what he's doing is more important.
I'm gonna tell you if I'm paying my guy 90 million, he's playing the best.
Why am I paying them $90 million for he couldn't stay on the court.
The coach had to put him to the best because he wasn't that good.
Sometimes the numbers is cool, just like when Michael Carter Williams He had good numbers at one point, but he was a bad MBA player.
The kid could shoot cool, but not for $90 million.
I'd rather wait to 2021 to see what I could get if I can't get anything.
I would look at other teams that you wanted to give a contract and picks.
I will take the assets.
That's what we need to do.
We get a better deal.
You know the thing with him, he's a He's a good shooter from three, but overall, he shoots 43% from the field s.
If you watch, it s so that tells me, you know, shot selection is probably an issue with him, too.
I mean, I didn't want I don't watch him a whole lot.
Well, since you had to go to the bench, if you had to go to the bench, you have to go to the bench.
That I don't think I don't think that this regime right now is going to be jumping into any super long term contracts without it being a star player.
And without it being a rookie, right when you get into looking like, for example, um, you know, when you look at RJ's got, you know, his contract goes for a while, you know, you know, and and of course it should.
There was RJ's contract goes until 2024 but you know, there's a team option in 2021 22.
There's a team option in 2022 23 then there's a player option in 23.
There's a qualifying offer in 23 24.
You know what I'm saying? When you look at when you look at the Knicks right now, there's not one player who has a contract without an option beyond 2022.
Mm, I'm telling you, since I'm telling 2020 2021 would tell us what we could do and how better we get because it's not just It's not just being open for free agents being open to take bad deals.
Like if, if a team like has a playoff like on a $30 million deal and they're going to get rid of we take that and they have to give us an asset.
We have to leave that we have to leave it open until we could get until our players get vastly better or we get a vastly better player.
I'm not giving four years off off my cats a buddy hell, that's playing the bench.
I'm not doing that.
I'm not doing that? Because if JJ Red**** get started for teams and Buddy Hill can 14 nuts back Oh, no, I'm not bringing that. Sorry.
You could shoot.
You could shoot your little 40% over there.
What's your take, Andy? What's your take, man? Yes.
Everybody here to know the body here.
What's your tape? My, you know, for the money he's getting, it's no asi.
He would be getting around 12 by my risk it.
But what You guys didn't mention also that that body heal this kind of headcase off court, right? He there were reports that he was, you know, he had problems and he was stopped by the police a couple of times and stuff like that.
I don't think that's gonna pan out in the, you know, in New York.
Allow that thing is gonna be blowing out of, you know, probably.
But, you know, he he had some problems, so I don't think, you know, we need that around our young guys.
So I don't even know that we have passed for me, E if that would you know if I could choose between body healed and, uh Donna *****, That's not a question E all day long.
So e think Sacramento is going to be looking to sign Bogdanovich.
I don't think it's gonna be a that so they will trade.
Listen, they will trade.
But here, they're just looking for a team that's gonna take him.
But they want to sign by Donna.
Because if they because remember, he was complaining about his contract because he didn't sign the extension that was giving them.
So they're waiting to see if they get But here also, they could pay him because he's so vastly more of a better player than Buddy.
Well, the last thing I wanna ask and I wanna ask Andy this Amara Stoudemire's boy, then he had f dia if he's there at eight.
Man, I know what you told me before.
You still got the mindset that you're gonna take, Denny, that you're not gonna take Denny that you're not gonna take? Denny hasn't changed anything.
If if if you know or Koro is off the board, if they would have to be like all the guys that I wanna take off the board and it will be hard for for that because you know vessels, Not there.
If a car was not there, um, topic I wouldn't I wouldn't.
You know, I wasn't considering him because I don't think he's gonna fall to eight.
But of course, Carmelo is not.
Is not gonna be Wiseman out there.
I think still, I could find a player, you know, maybe not better, right? Because I think the ceiling is maybe higher on the but yeah, hey, kind of rubs me the wrong way.
He's like a too long of a prospect that I don't think the Knicks can afford playing him big minutes with R.
J, you know, being, you know, developed properly and giving a chances.
You know, toe even Dennis Smith Jr to Frank Knox, just tohave another prospect.
Like like Denny, you know, getting those major minutes getting those, you know, possessions and shots.
I know on the next squad right now.
And do you have the attitude like when you watch him? Do you think he has the attitude to play here? That's that.
That's important for me, Mark.
I think I think he might have the attitude.
I don't think he's like that mental like like that dog, right? That that were about.
I don't think he's not hard, right? I think he's really young.
He might develop that.
But, you know, he's definitely not nothing.
Nothing close to Lucca.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That's not even a topical.
But, you know, he got he got gallanar evolves to me because, like, Yeah, I know.
I was gonna say he is closer to the gallon. Married.
And then, of course, And people saying Dragan Bender No, no, he's not a Dragan Bender guy also, but, you know, he's definitely younger and and, you know, he might pan into doubt, But I don't see it happening like, even the next three or four seasons.
So you're gonna have to wait, you know, until the last year of his rookie contract to see what he's really gonna be on a four year, four year step.
So, you know, playing a guy four years, 30 minutes a game, just to develop with this squad that we're thinking that we can start a run with, you know, and beyond the uprise? I'm not sure.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't I just don't know enough about him, Really.
I haven't really what I've seen highlights or anything.
I haven't watched any full games.
I don't know enough about him.
Still, you know, it's the perfect, you know.
It's a perfect place for him.
He'd turn blue, took a while, but I think he's going to be in the right spot to develop properly.
That's That's the type of player years.
Hey, has woke up.
He's gonna you know, and he's not that kind of hey, might be a flash player, but he's not, you know, strong enough for the current N B A. You know, three.
You know? Yeah, he's gonna get bullied around and he's not, You know, he's not like that skinny fast food.
He's like, Skinny, and he he ain't that fast.
So, you know, you guys lettuces, um, to get those minutes, at least at the beginning, right off the career So he doesn't have that many cross, you know, when you think about it to do, you know, to development, you know, saying you think topic is gonna be there by eight.
I think he's gonna go about four.
He's probably gonna go.
He's probably gonna go.
I'm just saying if he is there.
Oh, you know what? You know what? I'm gonna take him, because again, a lot of this stuff that you use video you had on Randall he could do that.
He could do that for the Knicks.
So if you was if you were to get topping, you would have to trade.
Random came in certain He waas.
Obviously, if you get topping your trading random, I mean, that only makes sense, right? Because it just only makes sense, because top is not gonna you know? I mean, it's just gonna be I mean, you're not gonna bring him off the bench for Randall.
I mean, you know, he's gonna come into he's gonna come in and be a started.
Most likely. Let me just say that. Most likely.
I think he can shoot the three.
Obviously better than the random right? You can take place.
I don't know if he could pass.
I don't know if he's gonna make the same passes that Randall makes from the elbow.
I don't know if he's gonna do that way, we'd have to see it.
Oh, you know, But clearly, if you if you take topping that eight, You're probably gonna trade Randall, which then, you know, you can trade random and you could make the move to get another player that's gonna fit, you know, you because now you now you replace that powerful position and then s So it's not like you're losing a power forward.
You still got a power forward.
Now you can go get a guard or a point guard or whatever it is with Randy's contract.
And now you know.
And now you added, you added more to your team.
So you know which.
Which works out a little bit better.
Because because, let's say let's say let's say let's say you don't get topping and you have Randall.
Now you and you drop the point guard.
Now you drop the point guard that has to learn the N B A game where if you draft topping and you trade Randall, then you go get a point guard that already knows the MBA game is already a veteran.
Can already be a leader.
Go so on and so forth.
I would prefer that because one we're topping.
I think he's NBA ready.
I think he can make reads, agrees at the four spot.
He can shoot the three, you know, spacing.
You know how toe pick he's Ah, hard screener.
And when I give the ball to him, he's looking to finish every time.
Dude is our offensive point.
He's an offensive plan like he's looking to drash it on you.
He's going to get fouls. That's good.
That's also good for a team like the Knicks, because we hardly get to the line.
And I just think that is high.
All right, now he's ready.
He's ready to make those plays and we'll see.
We'll see. I mean, listen, he was playing with kids.
He was 22 years old playing with kids.
Now it's gonna be 22 years old playing with men.
You know that? That makes a difference to me because you know, when you're 22 years old, you're playing with kids.
It Z like if you go out and you're playing with middle school kids, it's easy to see and make reads.
It's easy to do these things because you know you a little bit older, remember to you got a little bit smarter.
22 years, Yeah, but there's A lot of kids are staying back in college.
No, but right, right.
But there's a lot of most of those kids that are 22 years old and they're still in college.
They're not that good, you know.
They're not that good.
You know what I'm saying? So he's 22 years old and he's good.
You know Why e I know.
I know, I know. Because of his age.
I know because it's excellent. Shoot.
Tim Duncan was 22.
I'm not putting on Tim Duggan level, but knowing how to play, knowing how to play the game, that has nothing to do with who is who is playing against as long e make something.
Yeah, but it does.
The reason why it does to me is because, you know, the game is played at a different speed, played at a different level.
The defense is different when you get to the MBA level, right? Eso everything is a little bit different.
You know what I mean? Like, you're not You look at him when he's playing in college and obviously has an MBA body.
But in the MBA, everybody has an MBA body, so it's easy for him to Bogart someone out the way.
Be able to see where to make this reader that read, because he doesn't have a lot of there's nobody that could really power him up.
Now you get the N B A and you're playing in opposing forward that can actually power you up, keep you at bay.
It's gonna be a little bit different than your thought process is a little bit different.
You're saying so you gotta see.
Can he do it? Yeah, If he's playing before, right, How many foremen? Because he remember he can He can go on the perimeter, too.
So it's not like he can't guard the he can't go out the prince.
How many four minutes out there that's really gonna shape other than whole other than, like, uh, Trey Mon, is that so many fours? That's gonna be them off the dribble.
I'm not talking about beating him off the dribble.
This is not what I'm talking about.
When I'm talking, I'm talking about him as a four making reads right? We were talking about, you know, him.
Him making reads defensively offensively, this and that right When you're playing in high school, you're 22 years old kids in 18 19.
You know what I'm saying? You're not playing with the same strength of against you what I'm saying.
So the pressure, the pressure that's up against you is a little bit different.
So it's easy to make those reads because you don't have the same level of defense against you.
I'm saying, and you're not playing against the same level of speed on offense.
When you get into the N B A.
All of that's gonna change.
How do you react? Every rookie has the same thing.
You know what I'm saying? So you know, you know, everyone looks at him and everybody looks at him says always, NB He's got an MBA body.
He's that you know.
He's averaging 22 points and 10 rebounds in college.
He's not gonna come to the N.
B. A averaged 22 points and 10 rebounds.
I don't think I'm saying maybe he's maybe he's 14 and eight, you know what I'm saying? Which which would be good, which would be good, you know what I'm saying? But you know how then does he can he? Can he go to another level with it? I don't know.
I don't know. Hold on, hold on. Hold on.
If I'm getting in at the eighth pick for what the eighth pick have given us and what the eighth pick really stands for, he is a valuable pick to take it.
Ate like that is considered that No, that is, that is considered, that is considered, like, almost a still.
Like he went to eight with that type of talent.
Because if you look to our allies, the number eighth, very few only Dark and Paul Pierce probably the best eighth pick players on their neck.
These are guys who you hoping that could just e Listen.
I mean, he can be, and he's gonna be like I said, if he's there, I'm taking him.
You know, what I'm saying is just you know, a lot of the things that he does in college.
What's he? Can he do it in the n b A.
I just had questions about him.
I don't think his footwork is great, you know, part of a lot of his scoring comes off of the screen and roll or somebody else setting them up for open three.
So I really think you need a point guard with him.
If you're going to get out of him.
What you think you can you need a point guard.
His points come from screen and roll, which a point guard gets from the ball.
His points come from pick and pop, which a point guard gets from the ball.
His point comes from his points come from open threes where a point guard or another guard or someone creates, creates, penetrates Delaine and kicks it out to him so that he can score when you see him post up.
He's very, does not have a lot of moves is basically I'm gonna put you back, put you back, put you back, take a drop and lay the ball up.
You know, can that work? Is that right? They're gonna work in MBA.
So if you got him, you really need a point guard to get the best out of him.
Because I don't think relying on him to create his own shots in the MBA.
What I'm saying you're you're you're relying on him to be a powerful pick and roll pick and pop three point shooting type of player that somebody else has to get to the ball much like Amar started.
Meyer Waas You know what I'm saying? Much like Amar Iwas.
I'm already developed that pick.
Remember, he developed that jump shot also, But he always had that jump shot compared to these two.
Mario always had a jump shot, a jump shot out of three at a time. At the time, I wasn't.
Yeah, you got that.
That wasn't That's not Amauri's game, But he did.
You're gonna take, Would you take all be over a coral or I'm taking a course.
I'm taking a course because I see I see a lot.
I see a lot more coming from that kid.
And I think when people talk about this offense, I think that he could be a real, real, real offensive play because he showed me flashes are putting on the floor shooting like he He kind of remind me of Paul George, almost like in development development.
If I was going to go after his offense is gonna take some time.
But his defense is there now, but it's offense more like, you know, when you were talking about, uh, even if you watch, even if you watch Cohen Paul George when he came in and the jobs they were.
So yeah, they were so similar, it just took them time.
That's what I see from a coral.
But the corals defense with those two is the same thing with the defense was they're coming out of college.
I see a core of defense.
You're thinking, How about vessels? I know I'll take.
I'll take Toby over Vessel E.
Tokyo, because I think e I'll take Colby over vessel.
Yeah, I'll take O b o vessel, because vessel I confined in the draft like that's the microphone and drive because it's not like he's gonna transcend to any other.
Like, What do you mean that someone What do you mean that someone finding the drive.
I think I could find him in the drive.
Ah, shooting guard like he's a She's in the draft.
He's in the draft.
Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? I would take over before I take vessel, meaning that meaning that I would I could find, like, for me to take vessel over Toby.
That means for me to take vessel the Toby.
Oh, that's kind of crazy.
Yeah, that's kind of crazy.
Obi Obi for me to say that's kind of crazy.
You're taking, you know, core or vessels over over, over obe No, no, he's taken OBE.
I'm thinking maybe a vessel.
How about Houston? Yes, I'm taking Obi.
I'm taking Obi over both of them.
If he's there e I'm taking I'm taking it and and, you know, you know, I'm also I like I'm a fan of e.
I like a car. I've watched him.
I've watched him.
I'm also a fan of What's it called, though I can't think of his name.
I'm a fan of Halliburton.
I like Halliburton e like Halliburton.
I think that he's a three point shooter.
I think it's gonna be a good point guard.
I think he's gonna be a starting point guard in this league one day when he first comes in.
But a year or two thing is gonna be a starting point guard.
I really like the kid could playback caliber, but oh, hold on.
You know what I would take over him? That solitary kid, the dude just went from 1 55 toe, 1 75 and grew two inches.
You have to go back and watch his kids.
If the Knicks was able to get at 27 he's gonna start.
He's gonna start.
He's going to start right away.
This kid has the jump shot and I'm talking about like Steph Curry off the dribble, creating junk shot any behind his chat.
If we can get in, listen, he could be very, very scary.
He could be very, very scary.
This is, This is This is a shooter sin, like this is a knockdown shooter and we get about 27.
It's to a point.
I would think about even training a little up to get him because he can shoot the ball he came through.
He grew toe 1 75 and he grew up extra to interests, and I think he's 1919 so he still has time.
But his jump shot, It's stuff.
It is people that shot Tyler.
Terry, That's another prospect.
We should be looking at big time.
Before you know what, we're gonna do another mark board.
We're gonna do another mark board.
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