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00:00:05
Welcome back once again, as always, here on SportsCastr, I am at a Mar Brecht's talking all things n b a.
00:00:14
And as we've highlighted before, though, we now have some concrete information about the return of the MBA season, as well as the structure that they want to look toe have for the off season.
00:00:24
And when the next season of the MBA will start, there's still great conversations and a lot of reflection going on from from current and former NBA players on some of those stories, some of those funny moments that they remember from years past or for their playing days.
00:00:42
Now Barkley.
00:00:43
Charles Barkley recently was remembering later in Kobe Bryant's career, when he basically made an active choice to shut down shooting over the course of the game.
00:00:55
And during that game, because Charles Barkley was there commentating, he remembered busting Kobe Bryant's chops and saying, Come on, man, you got to take this game over.
00:01:05
You got to take those shots.
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Essentially, Kobe only took one more shot in the second half, as Barkley recalls, and then on the back end of that, though, where it gets kind of funny or interesting is that then Ah, two personalities and these guys were friends off the court, Barkley says.
00:01:23
I think then Kobe starts just throwing text messages at me for hours, just cursing, amount telling and listen.
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I was sending a message to the organization that I need help, that I can't be the guy that goes out especially later in his career and has to carry the shooting load night in and night out.
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I need other players around.
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So while Kuby's trying to make a point in game M, Barkley is calling him out for it on the back end.
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As ah, as Barkley framed it later, they ended up seeing each other and laughing about it. But just this idea.
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Hey, man, I'm trying to do something after you're trying to send a message to the organization and you're calling me out like I'm not doing what I should be here on the court for the team in this particular game Now.
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Beyond that, though, I'm just a memory that Barkley is sharing their The interesting thing that I started to think about was, you know, the latter stages of Kobe's career.
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Everybody knows that on the back end of it.
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Some of the numbers are dropping off and you think about the 13 14 season and then his final season in 2015 16.
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You lose the one to injury in 2013 14 and the numbers aren't quite the same as you go through the latter stages.
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36 37 years old.
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The fuel goal percentages dropping down into the low forties overall field goal percentage, even in that 15 16 season was some 40 s 30% from three as well.
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So listen, the legs were leaving him as far as Kobe was.
00:02:50
Kobe's game was concerned, but those air seasoned when even include injury 1 27 and 55 2161 17 and 65.
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And we felt about before how those the possibility that Kobe might go to the Clippers at one point before he got that last big deal from the Lakers.
00:03:08
Ultimately, it was Jerry West, I believe, who talked him down from that decision.
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But you stay with the organization cause you want to play with one team and then the back end of your career ends up just kind of been this slow.
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The slow trudge across the line and that every organization has to go through.
00:03:25
Rebuilds has to find ways to retool the roster.
00:03:29
But one of the things that I also put one thing I noticed about this, though, is go all the way back, right? You know, in the Kobe era of five Championships, 2000 1 4002 then you move into this.
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It's really a mini low, and this is you're trying to retool.
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You're trying to find a way to tweak it.
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Ah, and still get some talent there after Shaquille O Neal parts ways you go, you know, three or 4 56 and 26 then, 04 toe 070405 seasons, Theo.
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Six or seven season.
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They make the playoffs, but they lose in the first round and they're the real thing.
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That I noticed about this, too, is you're talking about the prime years of Kobe's career.
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That's 26 to 28 years old for him.
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I mean, you are literally about to hit the peak of this player and instead of maybe, you know, throwing the kitchen sink in terms of bringing in assets you instead, don't quite do that other.
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There's risks that were taken there in terms of Karl Malone, the Gary Payton moves that were made along the way by this team that don't pan out for them.
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Ultimately, although the loan has a great season and then comes up short because he goes down with injury, Peyton little bit lesser.
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So in terms of the quality of his play, but you guys trying cheese championships and not being able to achieve it.
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But that man that that back into the career because then you have that gap there and that's really where you run into.
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You lose to the finals in Ah, no, wait when you come back and you win, 09 and 2010.
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So there's not a lot from 2000 to 2010 that 10 year period.
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It's not a lot to Scott because you still went to the playoffs.
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You lost in the first round, retooled.
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You come short of the finals and then you go back to beat the Magic.
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You get your revenge against the Celtics the following year and you really cap off just a fantastic legacy.
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Kobe is on the team for another seven seasons, and those years were mixed bag. They win.
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They win a lot of games when you talk about the back end of it.
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And I started thinking about Jordan shorter career in terms of number of seasons that he played, I could never imagine outside of very, very early in his career.
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Right when Chicago is is nothing.
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He has to come in and take that franchise and put it on its back.
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I could never imagine Ah Michael Jordan team Onley winning 21 games even at the back end of his career.
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You know, you think about the Wizards time, certainly.
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But, you know, you just don't see that that possibility.
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And you could talk about Jerry Krause and what he did or didn't do, uh, for Jordan and how they interacted.
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But he turned that roster over.
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He got that supporting cast revamps, and I want to take a look at I pulled it up here.
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You talk about that 2014 2015 season, So following the injury.
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Listen, Kobe is not the player that he was early in.
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His career is 36 years old, but this is unfortunately a This is a unit for the L A Lakers as Kobe Bryant, Jordan Hill, Jordan Clarkson, Julius Randle.
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You got Wesley Johnson.
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Ryan Kelly.
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Eggs easier.
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Henry Jeremy Lin.
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Carlos Boozer.
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L Not a bad piece.
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Ed Davis. You know Ellington.
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Brown.
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Ah, Ronnie Price.
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How many names jumped out of you there? How many names really? Don't, Daddy.
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Now I understand that sense off.
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Listen, we know that Kobe is on his way out.
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We know that we dedicate a lot of money to him, and we're gonna have to turn this thing over at some point.
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But what a shame that you find yourself in a spot and listen.
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Kobe Bryant had a certain playing style of very Jordan.
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That's kind of playing style.
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But what a shame to be in a spot where you're on the court and you're making the active choice to say, Watch me not shoot this bowl because that's how little support I feel like I have on the rest of this roster.
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Especially from scoring mentality, as you get the later stages, your career that I need to send this message to the organization, that it's just not good enough and they're they're those low periods there that we talked about as well.
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Overall, if I pull those up real quick here for you, you get back into those years, we were highlighting their the back end of his career.
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But even in that those lean years like we talked about after those initial championships, you know they still go out and win.
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So 2011 2012 following those back to back championships 41 25 you know, lost in the first round of their 45 37 record.
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Then you get into 27 2117 wins and then 26 wins, which is actually followed the following season after Kobe Bryant's retirement.
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It's just a shame.
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It's just it's a shame to think about, um, maybe what could have been for them? And though the the difficulties got flip it on the other side of this to assess, funny as it is to think about Charles Barkley getting cursed out by Kobe on the back end through text mentioned by the way, Chuck also says, like pick up the phone, Call me man, call me and curse me out on the phone.
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But just use this A maybe profanity laden text thread that he got on there.
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I would love to have seen that just scrolling across the screen and probably the way that he was attacking Ah, Charles.
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And more specifically, probably attacking his organization through trolls and saying, you know, you want to know why I'm doing this.
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Here it is, man.
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This is what I've been dealing with. This is the frustration.
00:08:32
But the flip side of it, I would say, is not unlike what we saw in the last dance.
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Do***entary is how do you balance these things, right? The Lakers do pay Kobe Bryant.
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He does play his entire career with the L A Lakers, and then they do suffer some lean years.
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The back end of his career is not as fruitful as you.
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Maybe would like it to be.
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You don't have that final iconic moment like Michael Jordan did.
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A Z wins his sixth championship and then the and then that collective dynasty is broken apart from head coach to players alike, right? And then you take the backlash for that.
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What would it have looked like for the Lakers if they didn't keep Kobe Bryant.
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They probably would have been destroyed, But it may have also been the right move to make you go back and look at crafts and the Bulls.
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It doesn't really pan out for them.
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They don't turn around and win championships after after that dynasty ERA is broken up.
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But these are the hard choices.
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If the same net result for the Lakers, they don't get rid of their superstar.
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They don't break anything up.
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Shack moved on earlier in his career.
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But don't break anything up.
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They hold this nucleus.
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They hold Kobe Bryant.
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There they keep in their that you trying slightly reboot it and get it going.
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If you're going to go into a rebuild, though, you probably let's even go back to say after that 09 2010 championship.
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There's a couple of lean years there by 2012.
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If you want to move on from Kobe Bryant, 33 34 years old, I bet you could still get some value for him.
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If you're thinking about putting Kobe Bryant at the back end of his career onto a ready toe Wynne unit that already has been getting younger superstar talent there and he can just become even though he may not.
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You have to make that adjustment, but he could become this almost one a right this high, elevated to on a roster and go with a couple of championships somewhere else over the last couple of years.
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Instead, it really Peters out for them were again last three seasons, Even including injury.
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They didn't even win what they went 55 65 games over three years at the back end of Kobe's career.
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So you might as well restart that will kick start that rebuild and move on from that player.
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And and the question does become right.
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What do you want your legacy to be? It was important for Jordan at the time.
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I don't want to play for anyone other than Phil Jackson.
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I want to be as a bowl.
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He gets the itch later and wants to come back and prove that he could have still done it and could have and could have played over that time when he retired.
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But what is that balance both as a player and you're interested in winning? You wanna win? You also wanna have that legacy.
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Maybe you're looking a guy like Dame Lillard out in Portland.
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We're talking about them a lot lately with the return of the N D A.
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And how they feel about the structure of the place.
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You know, he says, this stain time in Portland, that's where I want to accomplish this goal.
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That's where I want to bring a championship to, and you may just see his career play out, and all of a sudden on the back end, it just never quite happens.
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What what is the value of that legacy of only playing with one franchise versus moving on, trying to get it calm alone? Right? John Stockton retires.
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Doesn't play for anyone else.
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Car Malone goes.
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The Lakers still comes up short, and then he gets knocked for leaving.
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And not just calling it quits and staying with the one organization because John Stockton have gone somewhere else have been appointment of entering point man and help win a championship.
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Maybe Ray Allen shuffled around on the back end of his career and got himself a championship down in Miami.
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The landscape of the MBA has changed a lot today in terms of how committed you need to be the one franchise.
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And then what's the franchise and organization's responsibility to get you in a position to win championships is why LeBron hopped up and went down to Miami because it was about Hey, I need to cement my legacy from a championship standpoint.
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Then I can try to come back here and win one for my hometown, but I ever be seen a handful of seasons.
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Get away from me at the N B.
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A level where I've pulled this team to finals come up short, and now I'm looking at it.
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How am I gonna make sure that I know that I get a few notches on the championship belt at some point? So that's a really interesting dynamic that you certainly see from players specifically from players and about wanting to achieve that ultimate goal.
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It's why Kevin Durant looked at the landscape of the Oklahoma City thunder, I know, came up just short in Western Conference finals and then went and joined the Golden State Warriors.
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But he went there, wins back to back championships, back to back N b A Finals MVPs, right, legacy cemented.
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Now he turns the page and goes to Brooklyn he wants to continue to build on that legacy, hopefully with more championships.
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Likewise for Kyrie.
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Irving, right? Wrong, indifferent.
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Has it has his championship in Cleveland? Then it's about now.
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I want to see if I can accomplish in on my own bad times in Boston.
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Find his way to Brooklyn, will try to do it alongside Katie.
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But these are the things that the players need to make hard choices about.
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And and it's very, very sad.
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Note.
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It's unfortunate that Kobe's untimely passing maybe you'd love to see much like your hearing a story from Charles Barkley, much like we heard from Shaquille O Neal on reflecting on that Western Conference finals against the Portland Trail Blazers and almost blowing that lead.
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As time gets you further and further from those moments, you could become more reflective on it.
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And as expansive is gonna be a gun in his post playing career and everything that he was involved in, you know, he's only a few years removed from being in the n b a.
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Another decade from now, you may have gotten such insight about the difficulty of that choice about the legacy about what he wanted to leave behind as a Laker, as an MBA player on maybe some of the difficulties that he faced in decisions that he had to make that being the case.
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I took this from Charles Barkley's humorous memory about getting cursed out by Kobe Bryant and then expanded it into the legacy conversation cause that's what we do here on SportsCastr.
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At least that's what I do here on SportsCastr.
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I remind you to follow Matt Brooks, Keith McPherson, Brian Teague and Cindy and Russell all the guys across the platform here, doing things specifically around SportsCastr news and then around some of their own channels, having conversations about basketball in general nets, specific content, Knicks specific content.
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Check those guys out there old, doing wonderful work until the next time when we come back talking, all things end A.
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I, of course, have been at of armed Rex.
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We will catch up with you soon
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Kobe Bryant once cussed out Charles Barkley for 3 hours after a game
Basketball Hall of Famer Charles Barkley recently shared one of the most memorable moments in his career as a broadcaster. The 57-year-old narrated how the late, great Kobe Bryant once cussed him out over the phone for no less than three hours straight. Barkley shared his hilarious anecdote on an interview with Evan Daniels of […]
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00:00:05
Welcome back once again, as always, here on SportsCastr, I am at a Mar Brecht's talking all things n b a.
00:00:14
And as we've highlighted before, though, we now have some concrete information about the return of the MBA season, as well as the structure that they want to look toe have for the off season.
00:00:24
And when the next season of the MBA will start, there's still great conversations and a lot of reflection going on from from current and former NBA players on some of those stories, some of those funny moments that they remember from years past or for their playing days.
00:00:42
Now Barkley.
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Charles Barkley recently was remembering later in Kobe Bryant's career, when he basically made an active choice to shut down shooting over the course of the game.
00:00:55
And during that game, because Charles Barkley was there commentating, he remembered busting Kobe Bryant's chops and saying, Come on, man, you got to take this game over.
00:01:05
You got to take those shots.
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Essentially, Kobe only took one more shot in the second half, as Barkley recalls, and then on the back end of that, though, where it gets kind of funny or interesting is that then Ah, two personalities and these guys were friends off the court, Barkley says.
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I think then Kobe starts just throwing text messages at me for hours, just cursing, amount telling and listen.
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I was sending a message to the organization that I need help, that I can't be the guy that goes out especially later in his career and has to carry the shooting load night in and night out.
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I need other players around.
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So while Kuby's trying to make a point in game M, Barkley is calling him out for it on the back end.
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As ah, as Barkley framed it later, they ended up seeing each other and laughing about it. But just this idea.
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Hey, man, I'm trying to do something after you're trying to send a message to the organization and you're calling me out like I'm not doing what I should be here on the court for the team in this particular game Now.
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Beyond that, though, I'm just a memory that Barkley is sharing their The interesting thing that I started to think about was, you know, the latter stages of Kobe's career.
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Everybody knows that on the back end of it.
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Some of the numbers are dropping off and you think about the 13 14 season and then his final season in 2015 16.
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You lose the one to injury in 2013 14 and the numbers aren't quite the same as you go through the latter stages.
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36 37 years old.
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The fuel goal percentages dropping down into the low forties overall field goal percentage, even in that 15 16 season was some 40 s 30% from three as well.
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So listen, the legs were leaving him as far as Kobe was.
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Kobe's game was concerned, but those air seasoned when even include injury 1 27 and 55 2161 17 and 65.
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And we felt about before how those the possibility that Kobe might go to the Clippers at one point before he got that last big deal from the Lakers.
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Ultimately, it was Jerry West, I believe, who talked him down from that decision.
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But you stay with the organization cause you want to play with one team and then the back end of your career ends up just kind of been this slow.
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The slow trudge across the line and that every organization has to go through.
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Rebuilds has to find ways to retool the roster.
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But one of the things that I also put one thing I noticed about this, though, is go all the way back, right? You know, in the Kobe era of five Championships, 2000 1 4002 then you move into this.
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It's really a mini low, and this is you're trying to retool.
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You're trying to find a way to tweak it.
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Ah, and still get some talent there after Shaquille O Neal parts ways you go, you know, three or 4 56 and 26 then, 04 toe 070405 seasons, Theo.
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Six or seven season.
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They make the playoffs, but they lose in the first round and they're the real thing.
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That I noticed about this, too, is you're talking about the prime years of Kobe's career.
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That's 26 to 28 years old for him.
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I mean, you are literally about to hit the peak of this player and instead of maybe, you know, throwing the kitchen sink in terms of bringing in assets you instead, don't quite do that other.
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There's risks that were taken there in terms of Karl Malone, the Gary Payton moves that were made along the way by this team that don't pan out for them.
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Ultimately, although the loan has a great season and then comes up short because he goes down with injury, Peyton little bit lesser.
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So in terms of the quality of his play, but you guys trying cheese championships and not being able to achieve it.
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But that man that that back into the career because then you have that gap there and that's really where you run into.
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You lose to the finals in Ah, no, wait when you come back and you win, 09 and 2010.
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So there's not a lot from 2000 to 2010 that 10 year period.
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It's not a lot to Scott because you still went to the playoffs.
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You lost in the first round, retooled.
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You come short of the finals and then you go back to beat the Magic.
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You get your revenge against the Celtics the following year and you really cap off just a fantastic legacy.
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Kobe is on the team for another seven seasons, and those years were mixed bag. They win.
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They win a lot of games when you talk about the back end of it.
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And I started thinking about Jordan shorter career in terms of number of seasons that he played, I could never imagine outside of very, very early in his career.
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Right when Chicago is is nothing.
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He has to come in and take that franchise and put it on its back.
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I could never imagine Ah Michael Jordan team Onley winning 21 games even at the back end of his career.
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You know, you think about the Wizards time, certainly.
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But, you know, you just don't see that that possibility.
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And you could talk about Jerry Krause and what he did or didn't do, uh, for Jordan and how they interacted.
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But he turned that roster over.
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He got that supporting cast revamps, and I want to take a look at I pulled it up here.
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You talk about that 2014 2015 season, So following the injury.
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Listen, Kobe is not the player that he was early in.
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His career is 36 years old, but this is unfortunately a This is a unit for the L A Lakers as Kobe Bryant, Jordan Hill, Jordan Clarkson, Julius Randle.
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You got Wesley Johnson.
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Ryan Kelly.
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Eggs easier.
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Henry Jeremy Lin.
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Carlos Boozer.
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L Not a bad piece.
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Ed Davis. You know Ellington.
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Brown.
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Ah, Ronnie Price.
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How many names jumped out of you there? How many names really? Don't, Daddy.
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Now I understand that sense off.
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Listen, we know that Kobe is on his way out.
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We know that we dedicate a lot of money to him, and we're gonna have to turn this thing over at some point.
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But what a shame that you find yourself in a spot and listen.
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Kobe Bryant had a certain playing style of very Jordan.
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That's kind of playing style.
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But what a shame to be in a spot where you're on the court and you're making the active choice to say, Watch me not shoot this bowl because that's how little support I feel like I have on the rest of this roster.
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Especially from scoring mentality, as you get the later stages, your career that I need to send this message to the organization, that it's just not good enough and they're they're those low periods there that we talked about as well.
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Overall, if I pull those up real quick here for you, you get back into those years, we were highlighting their the back end of his career.
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But even in that those lean years like we talked about after those initial championships, you know they still go out and win.
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So 2011 2012 following those back to back championships 41 25 you know, lost in the first round of their 45 37 record.
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Then you get into 27 2117 wins and then 26 wins, which is actually followed the following season after Kobe Bryant's retirement.
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It's just a shame.
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It's just it's a shame to think about, um, maybe what could have been for them? And though the the difficulties got flip it on the other side of this to assess, funny as it is to think about Charles Barkley getting cursed out by Kobe on the back end through text mentioned by the way, Chuck also says, like pick up the phone, Call me man, call me and curse me out on the phone.
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But just use this A maybe profanity laden text thread that he got on there.
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I would love to have seen that just scrolling across the screen and probably the way that he was attacking Ah, Charles.
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And more specifically, probably attacking his organization through trolls and saying, you know, you want to know why I'm doing this.
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Here it is, man.
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This is what I've been dealing with. This is the frustration.
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But the flip side of it, I would say, is not unlike what we saw in the last dance.
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Do***entary is how do you balance these things, right? The Lakers do pay Kobe Bryant.
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He does play his entire career with the L A Lakers, and then they do suffer some lean years.
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The back end of his career is not as fruitful as you.
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Maybe would like it to be.
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You don't have that final iconic moment like Michael Jordan did.
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A Z wins his sixth championship and then the and then that collective dynasty is broken apart from head coach to players alike, right? And then you take the backlash for that.
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What would it have looked like for the Lakers if they didn't keep Kobe Bryant.
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They probably would have been destroyed, But it may have also been the right move to make you go back and look at crafts and the Bulls.
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It doesn't really pan out for them.
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They don't turn around and win championships after after that dynasty ERA is broken up.
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But these are the hard choices.
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If the same net result for the Lakers, they don't get rid of their superstar.
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They don't break anything up.
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Shack moved on earlier in his career.
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But don't break anything up.
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They hold this nucleus.
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They hold Kobe Bryant.
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There they keep in their that you trying slightly reboot it and get it going.
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If you're going to go into a rebuild, though, you probably let's even go back to say after that 09 2010 championship.
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There's a couple of lean years there by 2012.
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If you want to move on from Kobe Bryant, 33 34 years old, I bet you could still get some value for him.
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If you're thinking about putting Kobe Bryant at the back end of his career onto a ready toe Wynne unit that already has been getting younger superstar talent there and he can just become even though he may not.
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You have to make that adjustment, but he could become this almost one a right this high, elevated to on a roster and go with a couple of championships somewhere else over the last couple of years.
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Instead, it really Peters out for them were again last three seasons, Even including injury.
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They didn't even win what they went 55 65 games over three years at the back end of Kobe's career.
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So you might as well restart that will kick start that rebuild and move on from that player.
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And and the question does become right.
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What do you want your legacy to be? It was important for Jordan at the time.
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I don't want to play for anyone other than Phil Jackson.
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I want to be as a bowl.
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He gets the itch later and wants to come back and prove that he could have still done it and could have and could have played over that time when he retired.
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But what is that balance both as a player and you're interested in winning? You wanna win? You also wanna have that legacy.
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Maybe you're looking a guy like Dame Lillard out in Portland.
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We're talking about them a lot lately with the return of the N D A.
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And how they feel about the structure of the place.
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You know, he says, this stain time in Portland, that's where I want to accomplish this goal.
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That's where I want to bring a championship to, and you may just see his career play out, and all of a sudden on the back end, it just never quite happens.
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What what is the value of that legacy of only playing with one franchise versus moving on, trying to get it calm alone? Right? John Stockton retires.
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Doesn't play for anyone else.
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Car Malone goes.
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The Lakers still comes up short, and then he gets knocked for leaving.
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And not just calling it quits and staying with the one organization because John Stockton have gone somewhere else have been appointment of entering point man and help win a championship.
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Maybe Ray Allen shuffled around on the back end of his career and got himself a championship down in Miami.
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The landscape of the MBA has changed a lot today in terms of how committed you need to be the one franchise.
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And then what's the franchise and organization's responsibility to get you in a position to win championships is why LeBron hopped up and went down to Miami because it was about Hey, I need to cement my legacy from a championship standpoint.
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Then I can try to come back here and win one for my hometown, but I ever be seen a handful of seasons.
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Get away from me at the N B.
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A level where I've pulled this team to finals come up short, and now I'm looking at it.
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How am I gonna make sure that I know that I get a few notches on the championship belt at some point? So that's a really interesting dynamic that you certainly see from players specifically from players and about wanting to achieve that ultimate goal.
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It's why Kevin Durant looked at the landscape of the Oklahoma City thunder, I know, came up just short in Western Conference finals and then went and joined the Golden State Warriors.
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But he went there, wins back to back championships, back to back N b A Finals MVPs, right, legacy cemented.
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Now he turns the page and goes to Brooklyn he wants to continue to build on that legacy, hopefully with more championships.
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Likewise for Kyrie.
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Irving, right? Wrong, indifferent.
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Has it has his championship in Cleveland? Then it's about now.
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I want to see if I can accomplish in on my own bad times in Boston.
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Find his way to Brooklyn, will try to do it alongside Katie.
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But these are the things that the players need to make hard choices about.
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And and it's very, very sad.
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Note.
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It's unfortunate that Kobe's untimely passing maybe you'd love to see much like your hearing a story from Charles Barkley, much like we heard from Shaquille O Neal on reflecting on that Western Conference finals against the Portland Trail Blazers and almost blowing that lead.
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As time gets you further and further from those moments, you could become more reflective on it.
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And as expansive is gonna be a gun in his post playing career and everything that he was involved in, you know, he's only a few years removed from being in the n b a.
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Another decade from now, you may have gotten such insight about the difficulty of that choice about the legacy about what he wanted to leave behind as a Laker, as an MBA player on maybe some of the difficulties that he faced in decisions that he had to make that being the case.
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I took this from Charles Barkley's humorous memory about getting cursed out by Kobe Bryant and then expanded it into the legacy conversation cause that's what we do here on SportsCastr.
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At least that's what I do here on SportsCastr.
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I remind you to follow Matt Brooks, Keith McPherson, Brian Teague and Cindy and Russell all the guys across the platform here, doing things specifically around SportsCastr news and then around some of their own channels, having conversations about basketball in general nets, specific content, Knicks specific content.
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Check those guys out there old, doing wonderful work until the next time when we come back talking, all things end A.
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I, of course, have been at of armed Rex.
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We will catch up with you soon
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