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00:00:00
if Adam are breaking over there.
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Healthy, wealthy and wise.
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Mr Andrew Mack.
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What's How are you, sir? I'm doing well.
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My my hand is a little tight.
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Is there? Is there anyone else that has a little tight hamstring at him? I'm not.
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I'm not sure.
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Is there anyone of relevance? I always stretch.
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I always like to stretch it out.
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I do have core strengthening classes that I do.
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If anyone seen my midsection, it's pretty much the only thing stronger than a six pack is a keg, as we all know.
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So that's what I've been working with pretty consistently.
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Unfortunately, there will be some, you know, bad news.
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I guess this isn't really the most surprising news.
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We'll get into it in a little bit here as we look ahead to the Seattle matchup for the New York football Giants.
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But before we do Andy Ah, little bit of information in the news here that I wanted to kind of just get some flavor on.
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This is looking ahead a little bit as we know Dalvin, Tomlinson, Logan, Ryan and the big Fish Leonard Williams all the up for contracts following this season.
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And if I had to just.
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Well, I want to get a sample here when I say Dalvin.
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Tomlinson having a strong season, obviously, is a nice player that you can certainly keep on a roster and build around in a 34 setting.
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What kind of number would you want to spend on a gentleman like that? Yikes.
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How about $30 million a year? All right, So you're gonna be feeling good about Dalvin Tomlinson because something in the 11 to $12 million annual range is probably where they think Dallmann Tomlinson could return to the New York football Giants in the off season.
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So maybe that zag you feel good about right? This is a good is a good player to have on the roster as we know now.
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Logan Ryan, he's been a key piece to this defense throughout this season.
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Obviously, is a little bit older, 32 years old.
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But maybe you want that veteran presence and that trust of what you have in familiarity in him.
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What kind of number do you want to place on that young gentleman's head? I'm gonna go with, uh, two year, $10 million per year deal.
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$10 million.
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Right on the head.
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Andy Mackiewicz is going for the big show case sweep right now, $10 million is what they're saying.
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They even did extend that looking maybe even a third year on that.
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Now, as we know, a lot of contracts can be.
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You know, essentially, a three year deal is a two year deal, so that could be what they're looking at.
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What, you're on the head again.
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Now we come to the juicy one.
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My friend Leonard Williams, on that franchise tag for just a hair over 16 million this year looking for the big payday.
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Obviously, he's gonna be just 26 years old.
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What is the number speculated around that not only you may expect to have him back on, so you give a range here.
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But what might Leonard Williams be looking to set that market? That I'm gonna go $1.
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1 E um, I am I on the wrong show? What have I been horribly low? He comes in hardly low friends.
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Okay, if I had to guess, Man, the challenge with Leonard Williams is that he's already making 16 million, so that's that's easily the floor.
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And then he's playing better than that contract.
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So like he wants to David and cloudy money, and he probably deserves it.
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I'm going to say I'm going to say four years $18.
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5 million my friend And this is where it gets ****y.
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Uh, because he's been playing at the defensive end position and that's how he's going to try to market himself and how they basically believe his agent will look to enter the negotiations they are talking about in the area of 20 to 25 million per as setting that baseline for what he's gonna come in looking for when he enters the market this offseason.
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That number buddy, that number hits me.
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Yeah, that is, that gets a throat burning in the morning.
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That is a pretty big price tag.
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And if I'll be very curious to see have that unfolds.
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If the Giants say, Hey, obviously go out and test the market, let's see where things land and then come back to us and we'll look Thio to make something happen.
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It's anybody out there starts throwing out the 20 to $25 million per year price tag.
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It's gonna be very hard for the New York football giants to swallow that pill.
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I think as good as Leonard Williams has been, uh, I just I just don't I think I think it at the bottom range 20 million, Like, What's a million and a half between friends? You know, like I kind of said, 18.
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5 if you pulled out of my pocket every week, right? Like you throw a couple of incentives in there.
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Some options, I don't know.
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You know, make the math work 20 million.
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Like, I think you swallow the pill.
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If someone is willing to give Leonard Williams $24 million a year, like I know we have some cap space, but that, like, immediately sucks it all up.
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He is such a good player for us.
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He is showing why, like however we got him here, whether it was by hook or by crook or whatever during the Dave Gettleman trade, like he has shown everything that we've wanted him to this year, and it's tough you have.
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He's so young and he's so talented that, like these players just don't come out on the open market.
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I don't know if you have this available, so I might be putting you out on the spot.
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But what what is the What is the franchise tag look like for Lenin Williams again if we decided to franchise him? Yeah, like I know it will move up if they chose to go that route.
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And you're right.
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Maybe if you end up in that closer to $18.
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5 million range, maybe you hit him with it again.
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But I think the tricky part there is, and this is all really speculation on on anyone from the outside looking in.
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But we've always said right, like the maybe the mild concern is Are you going to get a fully motivated Leonard Williams once he cashes the big payday check? Are you going to get the fully motivated Leonard Williams? If you try to franchise tag him a second time, which may be saying, yes, we're gonna franchise you again.
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You're gonna end up making almost 40 million over two years.
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But we're not gonna be bringing you back after this season.
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And we're pushing you closer to 30 which makes it harder than for Leonard Williams.
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Hit the open market and get a big payday, so something to keep the eye on.
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We don't go too in depth on it.
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I'm sure as we work our way through the show and he may come up with a number there something cause he's listen.
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He's a worker. He's a grinder.
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Um, a little side note here, too, as we move into.
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Of course, first off last off our budding segment here on the podcast, you may have noticed that my voice has become more sultry.
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That's because when you're operating on the fly and you forget to switch over to your fancy microphone, maybe the intro of the show were the less important information trickles out there, Uh, could come out a little more crackly.
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Don't worry about that. We're all having a good time here, friends.
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But first off last off, first off the Daniel Jones injury update and roster moves for Big Blue.
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Now here's the thing.
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Daniel Jones is feeling good, you know, he says, the hamstrings coming along.
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Depending on what article you wanna click on around the Internet, you can get, obviously is going to miss this week.
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Possibly another seven weeks may not see him. The rest of the season.
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You got guys that are saying, Well, you know, he's looking pretty good.
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He'll miss this week.
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It'll definitely be back the following week.
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And then if you listen to Daniel Jones, he's still giving you the Yeah, Listen, we'll see what happens, you know? We don't know.
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We don't know yet for sure.
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Uh, this could be Is this the lowest level gamesmanship operation by Joe Judging the Giants just to say, like, you never know There's always a chance this guy could show up on Sunday because they haven't officially ruled him out by the team standards.
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I just I don't see a scenario where they're going to risk it based on what we've heard coming off of last week and all the way through this week, I don't think it's a smoke screen.
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So I am.
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I am on the other side of this where I do think that there is a little bit of a chance that Daniel Jones does play in this game.
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You know, it's pretty simple. You saw him yesterday.
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He didn't practice, but they had some video cameras on him, dropping back, doing three and five step drops, throwing the football very gingerly.
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Very, very light.
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Eso that's considered not practicing, but he was on the field.
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He did have a jersey on.
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He was throwing the football.
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I don't know what you consider practicing, not practicing whatever.
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You know, the real test is gonna be today on Friday.
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The rule of thumb in the NFL is if a player does not even get a limited practice in.
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There is almost a 0% chance that they could play on Sunday.
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So today, this afternoon, if Daniel Jones comes out and takes a few snaps and they have him limited in practice, we can still keep the window open.
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If he does not, you can slam door shut.
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Joe Judge would presumably come out after that and say, We're going with Colt McCoy.
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Um, what I will say is, while it is tough, I do think and I do hope that you know, having Colt McCoy get a full week of first team reps.
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We should see a little bit of a different Colt McCoy out there if Daniel Jones can't go.
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So at least we're giving him the reps that he needs to be successful this week.
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Yeah, and you're talking about because Jason Garrett came out and said as well, this week off, You know what? What would you limit? How would you reshape the playbook? And he said, There's there's no limitation.
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The playbook is open now, how you approach the different plays and maybe how you choose to use them with Colt McCoy, as opposed to Daniel Jones.
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That could be a variation there, but Kobach has been on the roster.
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The playbook is the playbook.
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You just may look at certain opera options and say, Well, Daniel Jones, his legs are more valuable than Colt McCoy's would be here.
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So the R p o run option.
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Yes, we'll do the RP.
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Oh, run option it zone R P O pass option.
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You know, we want to see Colt McCoy throw that ball.
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And by the way, even as a veteran colt, McCoy does have ah, decent set of wheels for for a quarterback.
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So certainly we'll be keeping an eye on that as well.
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I actually ideo.
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Here's what I'll say about Daniel Jones.
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I think he is really close.
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I actually think that he is really close to being able to play it really just comes down Thio.
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When they look at it, it's saying, Hey, if we put you out there this week and it really is the borderline, you could re aggravate this injury and then we lose you for the following week, right? That's that's what I think that the Giants are trying to balance here right now is Are we gonna get you for to Siri's against Seattle and then lose you for the following, you know, for the following game.
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That's something I think, that they don't wanna have happened.
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But nothing would make me happier Friends that if we keep our eyes on the news cycle as we work through Friday, if you hear that he's out there getting reps and this is what I said on Twitter.
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If he's ready to play, you play him right.
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If he's ready to go, then you go.
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And the only threshold that has to pass is is he ready to go in terms off? He'll get on the field and barring, you know, fingers crossed.
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Any type of other injury he's gonna play all four quarters. That's what I think.
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It has to be right? It can't be this idea of like we get the plays out of him, possibly, and then you will see how it works out.
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Yeah, it's either all or nothing to me.
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I think you're in the same boat.
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It's like if he's out there, he needs to be able to handle the full complement of plays and has to be able to use his legs effectively, because if he's kind of favoring it or the defense acknowledges that he can't run and he becomes one dimensional, it's even worse for everyone, especially Daniel Jones.
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So I'm with you.
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I think you know cooler heads are gonna prevail.
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It's gonna then the Giants gonna be prudent with this one there on the road in Seattle.
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Seattle is great at home.
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We'll talk about that a little bit later, but I think this is one where you basically say, Let's put Colt McCoy out there.
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Let's give it our best shot.
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But let's really make sure that we focus on having Gail Jones for the rest of the season.
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Now let zone our attention to the quarterback position.
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There was some roster moves.
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Hardinge made it through waivers, uh, got back on to the practice squad for the Giants.
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Couple of their guys.
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But then it, specifically under center Alex Tanney, gets brought back in because he has familiarity with the team.
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Obviously, they also bring in Web a 34 year old veteran quarterback who, for what, by all accounts, seems to be our our version of a Taysom Hill.
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Hey was referenced in a way off.
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This guy could do a lot of different things.
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You can line them up in different positions.
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You can flex them out.
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What have you? Um, I did look at these type of moves as being the safety valve kind of thing of Let's say, Daniel Jones can't go for multiple weeks.
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How are we going to approach what we do at the quarterback position now? The sample size we got from Denver certainly doesn't make that feel like a positive thing.
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And I'd say Colt McCoy going forward is better than anything else that you saw out there in the Mile High Stadium.
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But it is interesting that they made some extra moves and brought in two more quarterbacks to kind of say, Hey, we don't know what this is gonna look like, right? What We're gonna get a sample size here, potentially from Colt McCoy.
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If it doesn't look great, we wanna be able to at least have options to keep ourselves viable in this division in this playoff picture.
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Well, I think it's even more than that.
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Adam, Uh, you know, after watching what happened to Denver, I think every team needs to reevaluate exactly what they're doing at quarterback, not the only for injuries, but you know, co vid rules and how people can be brought in if people aren't on your practice squad.
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If they're not in the building, there's 5 to 6 days that you need to be able to quarantine in order to make it on to the practice squad or make it on to the active roster.
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So these are all, like, kind of preemptive moves that the Giants are doing.
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Let's say for some reason Daniel Jones can't go.
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He's got a multi week injury.
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Colt McCoy goes out there.
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Run doesn't RP oh and gets injured.
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If Alex 10 is the only person that's in the building or Thorsen is the only one in the building, you don't have enough time to bring in or evaluate other people.
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So I think the Giants are being smart.
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You know, at this point, I think every team should probably have at least two, if not three, Um, practice squad quarterback, just to be ableto have them.
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You know, Buffalo has Jake from practicing away from the team in like Nova Scotia by himself, just in case like, ah, Pandemic hits all that quarterback room that can still have him activated to the roster.
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I think you're gonna Seymour and Mawr teams start bringing more quarterbacks into the practice Web because without them on there, there's no way to get them cleared by the time you need them for a game.
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No, it makes a lot of sense.
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And, you know, unfortunately, what it also indicates to you right now is that that Cuban market is relatively thin, right? I mean, we're bringing in a guy that we moved on from.
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And, Tana, you're bringing in a guy in Hill that listen 34 years old, he's not a name that rings in your mind as far as the NFL.
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So now you're talking about trying to have some safety, you know, safety precautions in place to your point and also Ah, lot of teams are doing that.
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So now it's like, Hey, who is the guy who are the other quarterbacks that you could bring in and reasonably expect to do? Well, there was.
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There was one other interesting game that was batted around, and that was Cooper Rush, uh, on the practice squad of the Cowboys.
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He has familiarity with Jason Garrett.
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Obviously, the biggest challenge with that was actually kind of the rules and restrictions about signing him off of the practice squad.
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They basically said that if you sign him off the practice squad, he needs to be active on the actual 55 man roster for at least two weeks.
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To be able, Thio be taken off of a practice squad, and that's a big commitment to pull somebody off.
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When, when especially, you know, thinking about how long it takes for them to clear.
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He may not be ready for this weekend, then all of a sudden, Daniel Jones is healthy.
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You're you're playing with fire there.
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It's better to bring someone in like Joe Webb off the street.
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Don't have toe.
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Don't have to worry about those considerations.
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Yeah, and then you're talking about bumping someone off the active roster as well, right? So now you got to make room for it.
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Who is it costing you? And how does that end up trickling down from wherever you pull them from this forest? Positional Depakote.
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So yeah, and that's another thing to Ah, A little tidbit that I picked up from Madden was the was you Ken Stein players off of the practice squads and other teams in the old video game universe.
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And I realized they gotta go right to the active roster.
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So listen, even in my 35th year on this planet, friends, I still find time for video games here and there.
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That's because I don't have a kid unlike my co host Andy Mackiewicz.
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There's no time for that in his schedule.
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What's a video game? E.
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Remember those back in college? I haven't seen many of those since the good old days.
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Now, on the other side of it is we work through.
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First off last off, not quite last off just yet, and that's that.
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That's around this team and what we're hearing from some of these players, as we know James Bradberry has been having a phenomenal year for us.
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He's headed to the Pro Bowl.
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By all accounts, we love it.
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We want to see him continue to have this level of success.
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And when asked about coming into what's going to be obviously a difficult matchup against the Seattle Seahawks defense, you got bribery out there saying, We feel like we can go against any offense in the league.
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So we're excited about the matchup in the challenge ahead.
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Of course, we're looking to go out there and dominate.
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That's the whole goal.
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So you love that he is coming in there with the confidence and really that this defensive unit overall has confidence in that regard.
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You also did have Joe Judge saying he's really made a lot of sacrifices and was able to combine personal adversity and some sacrifices to make sure he was still there for the team.
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I thought he did a really nice job for us with that.
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I'm really proud of the way he handled that.
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And that, of course, is going just speaking to what it's taken to get by the way, tied into Bradbury.
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Also in general, guys that have changed teams this year as Bradbury has as a Logan Ryan has.
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We know about what he dealt with off the field with his wife like you double down when you're when you're in the cove, it era of like moving, living conditions, finding a new place to stay and still trying to keep your family healthy and all those things.
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So I think you had a lot of that in terms of high character guys on this roster.
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And that's what judges speaking Thio.
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We talk about Bradbury and a lot of players on this secondary.
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Should Bradbury be this confident as we as we think about that matchup, I know we're gonna get into some more details around Seattle, but the track records there now, right for Bradbury so far this season.
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He's done it and done it consistently on a week to week basis.
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It's a This is a very difficult spot for the Giants secondary for a number of reasons, waken kind of touch a little bit upon them and see and see what your feedback is at him.
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But the the challenge is that Seattle's strength is yeah, but the past the passing attack for Russell Wilson and the Seattle Seahawks is their biggest strength.
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They can really move the ball through the air.
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It's because they don't just necessarily have one top receiver.
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They have to.
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So it's It's almost like pick your poison.
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And if anyone watched the Monday night football game where the terrible Eagles played against the Seattle Seahawks, um, Darius Slay got used, abused and thrown all you know out the side of a car against D. K. Metcalf.
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When D.
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K.
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Metcalf had, uh, 10 or 11 catches, 175 yards and a touchdown.
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That's the type of ability that DK has.
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He's a an enormously strong and big bodied wide receiver.
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Uh, it's going to be interesting to see.
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Not many people on this planet can go one on one single coverage against D. K. Metcalf.
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But that might be what the Giants are asking Bradbury to dio.
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Yeah, and what's the sacrifice that you make when you think about then trying to control the other options for Seattle's offense and looking throughout that secondary, we briefly say hello there to Arthur over on SportsCastr live.
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Um, the interesting thing to me is, if you go one on one there and what becomes fascinating before we get into what I think is probably one of the more crucial matchups here is well is then across the secondary.
00:19:07
Talking about Xavier McKinney got his little sample size last week.
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Not a lot.
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I expect him to be borderline full.
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Go here.
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Whatever the version is that you want of him in terms of reps in the secondary, I think you're going to see a real sample size here in this week against Seattle.
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And that's exciting because now all of a sudden you get versatility with Logan Ryan.
00:19:24
It allows you to think about different ways, and when you want to use ah guy like Jabrill peppers, maybe now you get even more flexibility when you wanna put him down and around the box, maybe a potential spy on Russell Wilson to mitigate some of that running ability that he, of course, has.
00:19:37
So it's gonna be interesting to see how that how that unfolds.
00:19:41
We know that we're losing some guys.
00:19:43
Thio injury like factual and obviously ocean examine is still out.
00:19:47
Lorenzo Carter still out.
00:19:48
So now it comes down to some of our younger players.
00:19:51
My boy, Carter Coughlin got a bigger sample size this past week.
00:19:54
It's now going to ratchet up for him as well.
00:19:57
Well, the matchup that I'm gonna be looking at is who we have matching up on the other side of the field against Tyler Lockett because you know, we're gonna hope that Bradbury can work up against D. K. Metcalf.
00:20:09
But Tyler Lockett is that other 11 a type of receiver and and is one of Russell Wilson's favorite targets.
00:20:15
Obviously, um, I'm I'm assuming I'm guessing because Tyler does play out of the slot so much that someone like Darnay Holmes is going to have his hands full potentially going up against him.
00:20:26
E don't know where that leaves Isaac yet.
00:20:27
Um, I don't I don't know how the Giants are planning on incorporating, um, some of their nickel packages.
00:20:33
But it's really gonna be interesting that that passing attack is gonna is gonna be a a real tough one for Joe, Judge Patrick, grandma and and the defense to figure out Yeah, this isn't This isn't going to be about shutting down, though.
00:20:47
You can set those expectations and see how the game unfolds, but it's just it's about controlling right.
00:20:51
It's about not getting just absolutely exposed with consistency on that side of the ball.
00:20:56
That brings me into what I also think.
00:20:58
It is going to be pretty crucial for the Giants, and that's the battle in the trenches, and this really goes to both sides of the bowl.
00:21:04
On the offensive side we saw last week, you know, you talk about a player like Shane Lamu.
00:21:09
He got plugged in.
00:21:11
He got plugged in and started, and you had Zettler on the other side.
00:21:14
And Hernandez has now kind of trickle down way.
00:21:18
Speculate about what was this gonna look like? It's a bad sign for Hernandez.
00:21:21
It's a great sign for New York Giants fans that the team has confidence in shame.
00:21:26
Lamu And for the most part, we saw a commitment from the boosh on the offensive line to say We want to start to get ourselves.
00:21:35
Maybe we'll see what this looks like this weekend.
00:21:37
Maybe we wanna start to settle into some identified rolls these last three weeks that we valued where you had this rotational cast was about sample size, sample size, sample size.
00:21:45
And now let's try to see if we can commit to us established.
00:21:50
A rotation is possible, and that did involve changes.
00:21:52
So maybe the switch over from Colombo is now.
00:21:55
Hernandez is falling down that depth chart, and you're seeing enough confidence in Lamu to say, All right, you're in.
00:22:01
Let's go ahead and see what you have for us.
00:22:03
This was something that we brought up on the show in Week three, where we said, Man, this offensive line isn't doing what it needs to do, but we've changed all these different pieces out.
00:22:13
What's the one consistent piece in that? Was Hernandez at the left guard position, and while his stats weren't as bad as the left tackles that we had or the centers that we had, he was the one constant that we thought Maybe if you switch something around there, you might see a a better performance as a whole from the left side of the line.
00:22:31
And that actually has been true.
00:22:33
And we give Shane limb use, um, spot opportunities.
00:22:36
He shows that he can handle it.
00:22:38
You know, pro football focus.
00:22:39
For some reason, like for a couple of weeks, there were like my eyes were telling me something different than what you're putting on the paper.
00:22:46
You're saying he's a 20 the run game has never looked better, even on the left hand side.
00:22:50
So things weren't really adding up and we said, You know, let's just give this a little bit more time.
00:22:54
As you see, Lamu is starting to progress.
00:22:57
His grades on that particular website are going up, and he deserves the time that the Giants are running the ball effectively.
00:23:04
This is the type of running offense that you expect to have with, say, Kwan Barkley back.
00:23:08
They're not necessarily win Goldman, and the idea that sank one could take any of these four or five yard runs to the house like think about if we could get this semblance of online together.
00:23:17
Those defined roles you were talking about, Adam, we really have something working here.
00:23:21
Yeah, and to your point, when we just talk about just to kind of, uh, drive this point home when we're looking at that offensive line, I want to see if I could get those official snap numbers up here and I'll try to from this past week.
00:23:32
But this is tip of the hat Thio Andrew Thio Andrew, Uh, I know that we're a tsung point.
00:23:39
I feel like we'll get to the place where we could go with, you know, even refers to you as Andy and I didn't want to cross that line before formal.
00:23:46
Right before you get a tip of the hat to Andrew who you said it like you said back early in the season, it was, Hey, what was the common thread from last year to this year and the struggles on the left side of the line? It's a way we talked about solder.
00:24:00
We talked about who was it? Center with jalopy.
00:24:02
Oh, now it's Nick Gates.
00:24:03
Now it's Andrew Thomas, and we know Thomas had his own struggles in the beginning of season, but you pointed it out.
00:24:08
Hernandez is the guy that's been there in between them on the left side both years.
00:24:13
So let's see what it looks like if someone else gets in there and we've seen the way that's trending in a positive direction.
00:24:19
So hopefully there's more of that to come.
00:24:20
And it's not a knock on Hernandez, as we said before, as well, maybe he finds a home on the right side of that guard position as we move on from slightly potentially.
00:24:27
But in the short term, this is what it's about.
00:24:29
So I'm keeping an eye on that.
00:24:31
And then, for me, the flip side of the coin in those trenches is going to be the guys we talked about.
00:24:35
The top of the show, right to guys coming for contracts.
00:24:38
Tomlinson, you've also got Leonard Williams.
00:24:40
You got Dexter Lawrence.
00:24:41
How are you going to try to control and dictate tempo to the Seattle offense? We know they're gonna have that passing attack.
00:24:49
Okay, So how do you force the issue and get into the backfield and put some pressure on Wilson and then still contain them? And then also the running attack, right? Questionable to play is Carlos Hyde.
00:24:59
We expected to still be available.
00:25:01
Questionable is Carson.
00:25:02
We expect them potentially to be available.
00:25:03
They're gonna have their weapons in the backfield.
00:25:05
But we've done a really good job in this defensive front of shutting down run games.
00:25:09
And that can start to change how that dynamic looks and how explosive and offensive game is, especially through the receiving and passing attack.
00:25:18
If you eliminate one of their avenues of moving the ball with consistency, yeah, and listen, I'm not gonna go too crazy or overstated.
00:25:25
Russell Wilson is one of the best quarterbacks in the league, and even if we do get a chance to stop the run game, he has the ability Thio pull Magic Rabbit out of a hat.
00:25:33
He has the ability Thio scramble by himself more time.
00:25:37
He is just an all pro type quarterback.
00:25:39
There's no other way around it, or what I will say is, you know if you pick a particular spot in their offense that they're not as good.
00:25:46
It is in the Russian attack, their 11th in yards, their 14th in total touchdowns from the Russian position, where as their top five in every single passing statistical category, right? So So there are areas where we can say that is a little bit of their weakness, even though it's, you know, middle of the league for them in terms of rushing touchdowns, top half in in, uh, rushing yards, that it's somewhere where we have been pretty staunch down in the trenches.
00:26:10
Now, if you flip it over to the other side of it, the Seattle Seahawks are third in the league in rushing yards against.
00:26:16
They don't give up very many rushing yards.
00:26:19
They Their problem has been their secondary and their pass rushing.
00:26:23
And what's interesting is they've kind of gone hand in hand, which makes a lot of sense.
00:26:28
If you can get to the quarterback faster and you can sack the quarterback or make them speed up their decision making process, the chances are that your secondary is gonna look better because they don't have the guard for us. Much time.
00:26:39
The ball has to come out faster.
00:26:40
It may not be as accurate there are. They're on the move.
00:26:43
And so you know that uh, Seattle, four or five weeks ago was the bottom third in the league in sacks and they went out and they got a guy named Carlos Dunlap from the Cincinnati Bengals.
00:26:54
Huge, huge difference.
00:26:56
And, you know, as we talk about, it's a Jekyll and Hyde defense before that, their bottom third in the league in sacks.
00:27:02
Since he's come there, they've moved up to seventh in the league in total sacks in four games.
00:27:07
They have like 15 sacks.
00:27:08
He's got four of them.
00:27:09
They have looked tremendous with Carlos Dunlap there.
00:27:12
But Adam, there's a key key component on this.
00:27:16
Carlos Dunlap has missed the last two practices with a foot injury.
00:27:21
And much like Daniel Jones, I will be watching the Seattle, uh, injury report to find out if he practices today.
00:27:28
Because I do believe that if Carlos Dunlap doesn't play, that is a massive advantage for the Giants.
00:27:35
Yeah, 100%.
00:27:36
And you're you know, as we talked about first off, last off last off.
00:27:40
This is where we want to get into that.
00:27:41
That two sides of the coin that has been Seattle and you know, the funny thing that you mentioned there are released concerning thing is probably more apt.
00:27:48
Way to put it is that when you talk about a defense that has been stout against the run.
00:27:56
And now you're talking about Dunlap impacting how they are getting to the quarterback All of a sudden, this this comes together at this at this intersection point where I say, man Se****, Barkley coining the phrase the Wayne train All aboard.
00:28:09
Okay, let's just see how if you know this is Cem premature stops along the track for the Wayne train in this particular game.
00:28:17
And then when you talk about maybe not having, you know, having Daniel Jones and being Colt McCoy like everything about this is converging in a way that could could go one of two ways.
00:28:26
If the scheme is there, if you can figure out the tempo, if you can do things with a little bit of consistency early on offense, maybe you start to get into a back and forth, but very quickly in this one, it could go.
00:28:37
Hey, if you want to get there, it's gonna have to be hung on the defense's hat as opposed to this offense being able to find real rhythm and real strides there.
00:28:45
And that's why Dunlap becomes so crucial if he's not on the field.
00:28:48
At least you can breathe a little bit easier.
00:28:50
Well, so I think the defense has shown that there are known commodity, and they're going to try to contain Russell, Wilson and Seattle as much as they can.
00:28:59
If they give up 20 points to the Seattle Seahawks, that's a win.
00:29:04
The Seahawks are third in the league in points per game. They're averaging.
00:29:07
There are one of three teams to be averaging over 30 points a game on offense.
00:29:11
They are dynamic, their explosive, the other to the Packers and the Chiefs.
00:29:15
They all have something in common.
00:29:16
They all have all pro type quarterbacks, right? So you know, we're just going to say, Hey, they're averaging 31 a game.
00:29:22
If we can drop that down to about 20 points and keep the Giants in it, that'd be great.
00:29:27
What I truly believe and this is where I'm gonna be may be putting a couple of shekels down over the weekend is on Colt McCoy's arm.
00:29:37
The Seattle Seahawks rank 32nd in the league in both passing yards per game and passes so like they give up a ton of yards through the air.
00:29:49
Uh, that's why Jason Garrett said, We're not going to condense this playbook.
00:29:52
We have to be able to throw the ball.
00:29:54
They are stout in the run game, clearly their third in the league in rushing yards against Colt.
00:30:01
McCoy is gonna have to throw the ball for the Giants to win, because we're not.
00:30:04
I don't see this game being a 10 7 game in Seattle, right, like Seattle is going to score 14 21 points.
00:30:11
We need to be able to put up points, and the only way to do that is through the air, which is the biggest weakness for Seattle.
00:30:18
That's the question mark.
00:30:19
The kind of have to write is a little bit as well start to wrap this old bad boy up here on a Friday afternoon.
00:30:25
Friday afternoon, Friday morning.
00:30:26
God, I wish it was Friday afternoon, Friday afternoon.
00:30:29
For our UK listeners.
00:30:30
We have a huge fan base.
00:30:32
You shout out to London by the ones right big base out there in London, uh, just across the pond, as they often say, Um, that's what's gonna be interesting about how the game unfolds in the early stages, right? are you? And what are the Giants really behind closed doors? In a moment of honesty when no one's around? No cameras, no microphones.
00:30:50
Are you going into this game with the intention of trying to win it, or are you going in with the version off? What keeps us close in this one, right, What allows us with the opportunity? So what I mean by that is like you said, you gotta have to rely on quote McCoy's arm at some point, okay, you're gonna rely on it, But are you also going to do a lot of short passes? Are you going to let him open it up and take some deep shots? Because that's how you could expose this defense for Seattle.
00:31:15
Looking for Darius latent, maybe looking for anger. Um, etcetera.
00:31:18
If you let that happen, it's probably a high risk, high reward, right? Could be a turnover could see some pics could also see some big plays to help move it.
00:31:26
I wonder if the Giants are gonna walk into this game to your point about how strong the defense has been throughout the year and say, Are we gonna take these big shots right? out the gate and maybe put ourselves out of the game early, or are we gonna try toe dip our toe gingerly into the water, and the bad side of that is also, if Seattle offensively gets a rhythm going early, you could still find yourself down so that that's why it's such a delicate balance with this team is gonna try to look to do.
00:31:50
And I'm I'm very intrigued by how they approach it.
00:31:52
Well, I think whatever game plan, to your point, we talked even before the show.
00:31:57
Whatever game plan you come up with, stick to it and and have conviction with it.
00:32:00
Like if they are a stout rushing defense.
00:32:03
If you think that we've got the line figured out and you think that when Goldman can get consistent yard stick with it, I personally think that it's gonna be challenging.
00:32:11
We're gonna have to mix in.
00:32:12
I think you're going to see a heavy dose of Dion Lewis, Uh, come this weekend because of his ability to get outside and help calm accord with some of those short passes.
00:32:21
Um, but the good news Adam is, and the silver lining to all of this is just in case Colt McCoy isn't doing well.
00:32:28
We have an emergency quarterback on our roster, your guy that could maybe stretched to feel vertically.
00:32:35
That knows. The Seattle Seahawks team.
00:32:37
Um, I write that is our gentleman, the man, The myth, the legend.
00:32:41
One Golden Tate.
00:32:42
Who, by the way, though, when asked about this about possibly being an emergency quarterback if necessary, his inside of his quote was the he's like, yeah, and then they look over and you go, Uh, I gotta get out there and try to do this thing.
00:32:55
So hey, listen, I I think he is.
00:32:57
I think he legitimately is the emergency.
00:32:59
If something needs to happen here, you might even prefer to go to him, even as opposed to anyone else on the roster for Q B play.
00:33:05
And also Golden Tate wants to be the guy that wants a game, gets the ball, gets to kind of roam around the backfield and see if he wants to lob one somewhere.
00:33:15
He does not want to be the dude standing there under center or in a shotgun typesetting, saying three wide receivers say onto onto Eli, Eli.
00:33:23
But you know that is not the world that Golden State wants to live in.
00:33:27
I don't think that it is too far fetched to say off all the players on the active roster.
00:33:32
Golden Tate is the one that wants that one opportunity.
00:33:36
One pass to throw deep down the field for a touchdown, like he is the guy like he wants to do that more than Colt.
00:33:41
McCoy doesn't think.
00:33:42
Is this the poor man's version of O.
00:33:45
B J to say Kwame Barkley? Not too long ago, remember the deep bomb past that he threw once upon a time when Eli was still our quarterback? This could be the Golden Tate toe.
00:33:54
Wayne Goldman, the train, the Express down the sideline for a big play.
00:33:58
I like to Philly Special.
00:34:00
Almost instead, I think I let's call it right now, Adam.
00:34:03
Say it with conviction.
00:34:04
We're going a little Golden Tate to Colt McCoy, Action Wheel Route 15 20 yard touchdown.
00:34:12
Get things going, but you know it's gonna be tough, you know, with with presumably without Daniel Jones, and we'll find this news out later.
00:34:19
Colt McCoy is gonna have to make things happen.
00:34:20
We may have to get a little bit, um, you know, expand the playbook rather than retract the playbook with Colt McCoy to really have an opportunity in Seattle, which is such a tough place to play.
00:34:30
Well, listen, at the end of the day, friends.
00:34:33
At the end of the day, the game line here is out there before we head into the weekend, where we know we'll get into it on Sunday morning with our predictions.
00:34:40
But where do we currently stand? Andy in terms off the Giants, taking on the Seattle Seahawks? Which, by the way, is in Seattle Just in case anyone's wondering it doesn't mean travel for this team is, well, sometimes easy to forget that in the current state of the NFL.
00:34:52
But this is going East Coast, the West Coast.
00:34:54
What's the game game line at right now and then? I have a couple of key moments toe look for in this one as well, so the betting line is the Giants plus 10 at the moment.
00:35:04
Yeah, are getting double digits and the over under is 47 a half, and what this tells me is, obviously, that they don't anticipate Daniel Jones being able to play it all.
00:35:17
They also think that the Giants were going to be able to put up at least 14 points in this game.
00:35:23
You know, like I think they think that the Giants will be able to move the ball slightly on day.
00:35:28
Say that.
00:35:29
Hey, the Seattle Seahawks put up 30 a game.
00:35:31
You know what? They don't believe the Giants defense will will change the fact that that they've been averaging 30 consistently.
00:35:37
So that's kind of where Vegas is.
00:35:40
At what? Where, What do your reactions to the lines? Yeah, some of the uglier predictions out there heading into the end of the week here is 35.
00:35:47
10 has been thrown out there.
00:35:48
Seattle, but a lot of them have lived in and around the range of 27 2027 14 24.
00:35:55
You know something in that relatively low range, and I I think that kind of probably speaks to just Seattle, maybe being able to dictate tempo a little bit and choose their spots when they want to get some big plays and they put up some points on the early line.
00:36:06
Listen, it's a backup quarterback, right? I mean, you're going to a backup quarterback.
00:36:10
This is a team for as excited as we are about them.
00:36:12
They are still four and seven.
00:36:14
They do have their struggles, and I really just think I mean 10 points is a lot just to be clear here.
00:36:21
I mean that that that that is a big number, regardless of who's under center.
00:36:24
But I just think it speaks to the confidence in general, around the league for Seattle.
00:36:28
Right now, I'm like what you talked about the Jekyll and Hyde.
00:36:30
But they've been mawr, I guess, Jekyll than hide.
00:36:33
You know this point.
00:36:34
They've been more positive than negative as they're working their way through the season.
00:36:37
But I also take a look at what they just did against the Philadelphia Eagles and think, Listen, you beat the Philadelphia Eagles, 23 17.
00:36:44
I know there's a late touchdown in there for Philly, but that wasn't a dominant performance against the team that has been absolutely brutal with consistency all year in Philadelphia.
00:36:55
So that's where I get a little bit curious about.
00:36:57
You want to throw out a 10 point line.
00:36:59
The question becomes sorry is is Carson Wentz right now a better quarterback Colt McCoy.
00:37:08
That's the question that we're asking really here, really here.
00:37:10
And I don't know if I ever saw myself doing that, but that's what it comes down to.
00:37:13
And then you talk about turnovers.
00:37:15
If Colt McCoy just don't turn the ball over, at least go neutral in that regard.
00:37:19
It makes things interesting well, and the Giants defense is far superior to the Eagles defense and in my mind, so we have a better defensive matchup.
00:37:26
But yeah, I mean, it's an interesting question to ask, and if if someone would have asked that question in August, they probably would have laughed you off of the podcast.
00:37:35
But this is 2020 and and we take nothing for granted anymore, Okay? As we head out the door here and wrap this thing up, we do just say here when I talk about key moments.
00:37:44
You mentioned how good Russell Wilson is, and he certainly is one of the elite quarterbacks in the league.
00:37:49
However, do you want to look for a key moment when Seattle finds itself in the red zone? Russell Wilson has this season been willing to turn the ball over while trying to make plays.
00:38:00
That is going to be a crucial moment.
00:38:02
You're going to see an opportunity, I think, in this game, whether it's right there in the hands of a defender or just if you could have the coverage.
00:38:09
If you can force Russell Wilson to try to make a play that he shouldn't and get a turnover in the red zone defensively, as we know, right, take seven points off the board and maybe find yourself with the opportunity.
00:38:20
Get three or seven off your own.
00:38:21
That's one of the key ones that I look at.
00:38:23
Well, what's interesting about about you bringing that up at him is that is gonna be The Red Zone is is key to everything here in every game, but especially with Seattle on Russell Wilson, because you said he does have a propensity to turn the ball over in the red zone.
00:38:36
But when he doesn't turn the ball over, they score touchdowns, their fifth in the league in red zone touchdown percentage.
00:38:42
So when they do get it down there, it's either a touchdown or a turnover.
00:38:45
There's very few field goals in between.
00:38:47
Look out for some of those plays where Russell Wilson's trying to find tire locket or D.
00:38:51
K. Metcalf 15, 20 yards out.
00:38:53
And let's see if someone like Brad Barrier Peppers could make a play and flip the script where the Giants have been very strong, punching it in in the red zone of late.
00:38:59
Now, with Colt McCoy under center, though, Daniel Jones wasn't throwing a touchdown passes.
00:39:03
So again, running game.
00:39:04
Can you punch it in? When it counts the most? Expect to see some fourth down and go opportunities for Big Blue as well.
00:39:11
Follow us using the hashtag o g p on SportsCastr Get after us on social media at one giant podcast.
00:39:17
We will be in on Social I G live, given our game predictions come Sunday morn, maybe even afternoon with a 405 start time out there on the West Coast.
00:39:26
Until then, tell the people, Andy what you want, need and demand that they know.
00:39:31
Let's go Big Blue
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One Giant Podcast w/ Adam Armbrecht & Andy Mackiewicz Podcast

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if Adam are breaking over there.
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Healthy, wealthy and wise.
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Mr Andrew Mack.
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What's How are you, sir? I'm doing well.
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My my hand is a little tight.
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Is there? Is there anyone else that has a little tight hamstring at him? I'm not.
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I'm not sure.
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Is there anyone of relevance? I always stretch.
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I always like to stretch it out.
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I do have core strengthening classes that I do.
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If anyone seen my midsection, it's pretty much the only thing stronger than a six pack is a keg, as we all know.
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So that's what I've been working with pretty consistently.
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Unfortunately, there will be some, you know, bad news.
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I guess this isn't really the most surprising news.
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We'll get into it in a little bit here as we look ahead to the Seattle matchup for the New York football Giants.
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But before we do Andy Ah, little bit of information in the news here that I wanted to kind of just get some flavor on.
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This is looking ahead a little bit as we know Dalvin, Tomlinson, Logan, Ryan and the big Fish Leonard Williams all the up for contracts following this season.
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And if I had to just.
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Well, I want to get a sample here when I say Dalvin.
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Tomlinson having a strong season, obviously, is a nice player that you can certainly keep on a roster and build around in a 34 setting.
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What kind of number would you want to spend on a gentleman like that? Yikes.
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How about $30 million a year? All right, So you're gonna be feeling good about Dalvin Tomlinson because something in the 11 to $12 million annual range is probably where they think Dallmann Tomlinson could return to the New York football Giants in the off season.
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So maybe that zag you feel good about right? This is a good is a good player to have on the roster as we know now.
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Logan Ryan, he's been a key piece to this defense throughout this season.
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Obviously, is a little bit older, 32 years old.
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But maybe you want that veteran presence and that trust of what you have in familiarity in him.
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What kind of number do you want to place on that young gentleman's head? I'm gonna go with, uh, two year, $10 million per year deal.
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$10 million.
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Right on the head.
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Andy Mackiewicz is going for the big show case sweep right now, $10 million is what they're saying.
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They even did extend that looking maybe even a third year on that.
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Now, as we know, a lot of contracts can be.
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You know, essentially, a three year deal is a two year deal, so that could be what they're looking at.
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What, you're on the head again.
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Now we come to the juicy one.
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My friend Leonard Williams, on that franchise tag for just a hair over 16 million this year looking for the big payday.
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Obviously, he's gonna be just 26 years old.
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What is the number speculated around that not only you may expect to have him back on, so you give a range here.
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But what might Leonard Williams be looking to set that market? That I'm gonna go $1.
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1 E um, I am I on the wrong show? What have I been horribly low? He comes in hardly low friends.
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Okay, if I had to guess, Man, the challenge with Leonard Williams is that he's already making 16 million, so that's that's easily the floor.
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And then he's playing better than that contract.
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So like he wants to David and cloudy money, and he probably deserves it.
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I'm going to say I'm going to say four years $18.
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5 million my friend And this is where it gets ****y.
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Uh, because he's been playing at the defensive end position and that's how he's going to try to market himself and how they basically believe his agent will look to enter the negotiations they are talking about in the area of 20 to 25 million per as setting that baseline for what he's gonna come in looking for when he enters the market this offseason.
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That number buddy, that number hits me.
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Yeah, that is, that gets a throat burning in the morning.
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That is a pretty big price tag.
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And if I'll be very curious to see have that unfolds.
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If the Giants say, Hey, obviously go out and test the market, let's see where things land and then come back to us and we'll look Thio to make something happen.
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It's anybody out there starts throwing out the 20 to $25 million per year price tag.
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It's gonna be very hard for the New York football giants to swallow that pill.
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I think as good as Leonard Williams has been, uh, I just I just don't I think I think it at the bottom range 20 million, Like, What's a million and a half between friends? You know, like I kind of said, 18.
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5 if you pulled out of my pocket every week, right? Like you throw a couple of incentives in there.
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Some options, I don't know.
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You know, make the math work 20 million.
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Like, I think you swallow the pill.
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If someone is willing to give Leonard Williams $24 million a year, like I know we have some cap space, but that, like, immediately sucks it all up.
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He is such a good player for us.
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He is showing why, like however we got him here, whether it was by hook or by crook or whatever during the Dave Gettleman trade, like he has shown everything that we've wanted him to this year, and it's tough you have.
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He's so young and he's so talented that, like these players just don't come out on the open market.
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I don't know if you have this available, so I might be putting you out on the spot.
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But what what is the What is the franchise tag look like for Lenin Williams again if we decided to franchise him? Yeah, like I know it will move up if they chose to go that route.
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And you're right.
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Maybe if you end up in that closer to $18.
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5 million range, maybe you hit him with it again.
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But I think the tricky part there is, and this is all really speculation on on anyone from the outside looking in.
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But we've always said right, like the maybe the mild concern is Are you going to get a fully motivated Leonard Williams once he cashes the big payday check? Are you going to get the fully motivated Leonard Williams? If you try to franchise tag him a second time, which may be saying, yes, we're gonna franchise you again.
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You're gonna end up making almost 40 million over two years.
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But we're not gonna be bringing you back after this season.
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And we're pushing you closer to 30 which makes it harder than for Leonard Williams.
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Hit the open market and get a big payday, so something to keep the eye on.
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We don't go too in depth on it.
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I'm sure as we work our way through the show and he may come up with a number there something cause he's listen.
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He's a worker. He's a grinder.
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Um, a little side note here, too, as we move into.
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Of course, first off last off our budding segment here on the podcast, you may have noticed that my voice has become more sultry.
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That's because when you're operating on the fly and you forget to switch over to your fancy microphone, maybe the intro of the show were the less important information trickles out there, Uh, could come out a little more crackly.
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Don't worry about that. We're all having a good time here, friends.
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But first off last off, first off the Daniel Jones injury update and roster moves for Big Blue.
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Now here's the thing.
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Daniel Jones is feeling good, you know, he says, the hamstrings coming along.
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Depending on what article you wanna click on around the Internet, you can get, obviously is going to miss this week.
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Possibly another seven weeks may not see him. The rest of the season.
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You got guys that are saying, Well, you know, he's looking pretty good.
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He'll miss this week.
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It'll definitely be back the following week.
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And then if you listen to Daniel Jones, he's still giving you the Yeah, Listen, we'll see what happens, you know? We don't know.
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We don't know yet for sure.
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Uh, this could be Is this the lowest level gamesmanship operation by Joe Judging the Giants just to say, like, you never know There's always a chance this guy could show up on Sunday because they haven't officially ruled him out by the team standards.
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I just I don't see a scenario where they're going to risk it based on what we've heard coming off of last week and all the way through this week, I don't think it's a smoke screen.
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So I am.
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I am on the other side of this where I do think that there is a little bit of a chance that Daniel Jones does play in this game.
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You know, it's pretty simple. You saw him yesterday.
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He didn't practice, but they had some video cameras on him, dropping back, doing three and five step drops, throwing the football very gingerly.
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Very, very light.
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Eso that's considered not practicing, but he was on the field.
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He did have a jersey on.
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He was throwing the football.
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I don't know what you consider practicing, not practicing whatever.
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You know, the real test is gonna be today on Friday.
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The rule of thumb in the NFL is if a player does not even get a limited practice in.
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There is almost a 0% chance that they could play on Sunday.
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So today, this afternoon, if Daniel Jones comes out and takes a few snaps and they have him limited in practice, we can still keep the window open.
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If he does not, you can slam door shut.
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Joe Judge would presumably come out after that and say, We're going with Colt McCoy.
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Um, what I will say is, while it is tough, I do think and I do hope that you know, having Colt McCoy get a full week of first team reps.
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We should see a little bit of a different Colt McCoy out there if Daniel Jones can't go.
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So at least we're giving him the reps that he needs to be successful this week.
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Yeah, and you're talking about because Jason Garrett came out and said as well, this week off, You know what? What would you limit? How would you reshape the playbook? And he said, There's there's no limitation.
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The playbook is open now, how you approach the different plays and maybe how you choose to use them with Colt McCoy, as opposed to Daniel Jones.
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That could be a variation there, but Kobach has been on the roster.
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The playbook is the playbook.
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You just may look at certain opera options and say, Well, Daniel Jones, his legs are more valuable than Colt McCoy's would be here.
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So the R p o run option.
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Yes, we'll do the RP.
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Oh, run option it zone R P O pass option.
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You know, we want to see Colt McCoy throw that ball.
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And by the way, even as a veteran colt, McCoy does have ah, decent set of wheels for for a quarterback.
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So certainly we'll be keeping an eye on that as well.
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I actually ideo.
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Here's what I'll say about Daniel Jones.
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I think he is really close.
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I actually think that he is really close to being able to play it really just comes down Thio.
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When they look at it, it's saying, Hey, if we put you out there this week and it really is the borderline, you could re aggravate this injury and then we lose you for the following week, right? That's that's what I think that the Giants are trying to balance here right now is Are we gonna get you for to Siri's against Seattle and then lose you for the following, you know, for the following game.
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That's something I think, that they don't wanna have happened.
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But nothing would make me happier Friends that if we keep our eyes on the news cycle as we work through Friday, if you hear that he's out there getting reps and this is what I said on Twitter.
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If he's ready to play, you play him right.
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If he's ready to go, then you go.
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And the only threshold that has to pass is is he ready to go in terms off? He'll get on the field and barring, you know, fingers crossed.
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Any type of other injury he's gonna play all four quarters. That's what I think.
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It has to be right? It can't be this idea of like we get the plays out of him, possibly, and then you will see how it works out.
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Yeah, it's either all or nothing to me.
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I think you're in the same boat.
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It's like if he's out there, he needs to be able to handle the full complement of plays and has to be able to use his legs effectively, because if he's kind of favoring it or the defense acknowledges that he can't run and he becomes one dimensional, it's even worse for everyone, especially Daniel Jones.
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So I'm with you.
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I think you know cooler heads are gonna prevail.
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It's gonna then the Giants gonna be prudent with this one there on the road in Seattle.
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Seattle is great at home.
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We'll talk about that a little bit later, but I think this is one where you basically say, Let's put Colt McCoy out there.
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Let's give it our best shot.
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But let's really make sure that we focus on having Gail Jones for the rest of the season.
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Now let zone our attention to the quarterback position.
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There was some roster moves.
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Hardinge made it through waivers, uh, got back on to the practice squad for the Giants.
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Couple of their guys.
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But then it, specifically under center Alex Tanney, gets brought back in because he has familiarity with the team.
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Obviously, they also bring in Web a 34 year old veteran quarterback who, for what, by all accounts, seems to be our our version of a Taysom Hill.
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Hey was referenced in a way off.
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This guy could do a lot of different things.
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You can line them up in different positions.
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You can flex them out.
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What have you? Um, I did look at these type of moves as being the safety valve kind of thing of Let's say, Daniel Jones can't go for multiple weeks.
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How are we going to approach what we do at the quarterback position now? The sample size we got from Denver certainly doesn't make that feel like a positive thing.
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And I'd say Colt McCoy going forward is better than anything else that you saw out there in the Mile High Stadium.
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But it is interesting that they made some extra moves and brought in two more quarterbacks to kind of say, Hey, we don't know what this is gonna look like, right? What We're gonna get a sample size here, potentially from Colt McCoy.
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If it doesn't look great, we wanna be able to at least have options to keep ourselves viable in this division in this playoff picture.
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Well, I think it's even more than that.
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Adam, Uh, you know, after watching what happened to Denver, I think every team needs to reevaluate exactly what they're doing at quarterback, not the only for injuries, but you know, co vid rules and how people can be brought in if people aren't on your practice squad.
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If they're not in the building, there's 5 to 6 days that you need to be able to quarantine in order to make it on to the practice squad or make it on to the active roster.
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So these are all, like, kind of preemptive moves that the Giants are doing.
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Let's say for some reason Daniel Jones can't go.
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He's got a multi week injury.
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Colt McCoy goes out there.
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Run doesn't RP oh and gets injured.
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If Alex 10 is the only person that's in the building or Thorsen is the only one in the building, you don't have enough time to bring in or evaluate other people.
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So I think the Giants are being smart.
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You know, at this point, I think every team should probably have at least two, if not three, Um, practice squad quarterback, just to be ableto have them.
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You know, Buffalo has Jake from practicing away from the team in like Nova Scotia by himself, just in case like, ah, Pandemic hits all that quarterback room that can still have him activated to the roster.
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I think you're gonna Seymour and Mawr teams start bringing more quarterbacks into the practice Web because without them on there, there's no way to get them cleared by the time you need them for a game.
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No, it makes a lot of sense.
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And, you know, unfortunately, what it also indicates to you right now is that that Cuban market is relatively thin, right? I mean, we're bringing in a guy that we moved on from.
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And, Tana, you're bringing in a guy in Hill that listen 34 years old, he's not a name that rings in your mind as far as the NFL.
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So now you're talking about trying to have some safety, you know, safety precautions in place to your point and also Ah, lot of teams are doing that.
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So now it's like, Hey, who is the guy who are the other quarterbacks that you could bring in and reasonably expect to do? Well, there was.
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There was one other interesting game that was batted around, and that was Cooper Rush, uh, on the practice squad of the Cowboys.
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He has familiarity with Jason Garrett.
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Obviously, the biggest challenge with that was actually kind of the rules and restrictions about signing him off of the practice squad.
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They basically said that if you sign him off the practice squad, he needs to be active on the actual 55 man roster for at least two weeks.
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To be able, Thio be taken off of a practice squad, and that's a big commitment to pull somebody off.
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When, when especially, you know, thinking about how long it takes for them to clear.
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He may not be ready for this weekend, then all of a sudden, Daniel Jones is healthy.
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You're you're playing with fire there.
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It's better to bring someone in like Joe Webb off the street.
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Don't have toe.
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Don't have to worry about those considerations.
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Yeah, and then you're talking about bumping someone off the active roster as well, right? So now you got to make room for it.
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Who is it costing you? And how does that end up trickling down from wherever you pull them from this forest? Positional Depakote.
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So yeah, and that's another thing to Ah, A little tidbit that I picked up from Madden was the was you Ken Stein players off of the practice squads and other teams in the old video game universe.
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And I realized they gotta go right to the active roster.
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So listen, even in my 35th year on this planet, friends, I still find time for video games here and there.
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That's because I don't have a kid unlike my co host Andy Mackiewicz.
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There's no time for that in his schedule.
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What's a video game? E.
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Remember those back in college? I haven't seen many of those since the good old days.
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Now, on the other side of it is we work through.
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First off last off, not quite last off just yet, and that's that.
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That's around this team and what we're hearing from some of these players, as we know James Bradberry has been having a phenomenal year for us.
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He's headed to the Pro Bowl.
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By all accounts, we love it.
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We want to see him continue to have this level of success.
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And when asked about coming into what's going to be obviously a difficult matchup against the Seattle Seahawks defense, you got bribery out there saying, We feel like we can go against any offense in the league.
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So we're excited about the matchup in the challenge ahead.
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Of course, we're looking to go out there and dominate.
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That's the whole goal.
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So you love that he is coming in there with the confidence and really that this defensive unit overall has confidence in that regard.
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You also did have Joe Judge saying he's really made a lot of sacrifices and was able to combine personal adversity and some sacrifices to make sure he was still there for the team.
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I thought he did a really nice job for us with that.
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I'm really proud of the way he handled that.
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And that, of course, is going just speaking to what it's taken to get by the way, tied into Bradbury.
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Also in general, guys that have changed teams this year as Bradbury has as a Logan Ryan has.
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We know about what he dealt with off the field with his wife like you double down when you're when you're in the cove, it era of like moving, living conditions, finding a new place to stay and still trying to keep your family healthy and all those things.
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So I think you had a lot of that in terms of high character guys on this roster.
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And that's what judges speaking Thio.
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We talk about Bradbury and a lot of players on this secondary.
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Should Bradbury be this confident as we as we think about that matchup, I know we're gonna get into some more details around Seattle, but the track records there now, right for Bradbury so far this season.
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He's done it and done it consistently on a week to week basis.
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It's a This is a very difficult spot for the Giants secondary for a number of reasons, waken kind of touch a little bit upon them and see and see what your feedback is at him.
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But the the challenge is that Seattle's strength is yeah, but the past the passing attack for Russell Wilson and the Seattle Seahawks is their biggest strength.
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They can really move the ball through the air.
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It's because they don't just necessarily have one top receiver.
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They have to.
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So it's It's almost like pick your poison.
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And if anyone watched the Monday night football game where the terrible Eagles played against the Seattle Seahawks, um, Darius Slay got used, abused and thrown all you know out the side of a car against D. K. Metcalf.
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When D.
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K.
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Metcalf had, uh, 10 or 11 catches, 175 yards and a touchdown.
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That's the type of ability that DK has.
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He's a an enormously strong and big bodied wide receiver.
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Uh, it's going to be interesting to see.
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Not many people on this planet can go one on one single coverage against D. K. Metcalf.
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But that might be what the Giants are asking Bradbury to dio.
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Um, the interesting thing to me is, if you go one on one there and what becomes fascinating before we get into what I think is probably one of the more crucial matchups here is well is then across the secondary.
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Talking about Xavier McKinney got his little sample size last week.
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Not a lot.
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I expect him to be borderline full.
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Go here.
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Whatever the version is that you want of him in terms of reps in the secondary, I think you're going to see a real sample size here in this week against Seattle.
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And that's exciting because now all of a sudden you get versatility with Logan Ryan.
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It allows you to think about different ways, and when you want to use ah guy like Jabrill peppers, maybe now you get even more flexibility when you wanna put him down and around the box, maybe a potential spy on Russell Wilson to mitigate some of that running ability that he, of course, has.
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So it's gonna be interesting to see how that how that unfolds.
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We know that we're losing some guys.
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Thio injury like factual and obviously ocean examine is still out.
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Lorenzo Carter still out.
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So now it comes down to some of our younger players.
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My boy, Carter Coughlin got a bigger sample size this past week.
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It's now going to ratchet up for him as well.
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Well, the matchup that I'm gonna be looking at is who we have matching up on the other side of the field against Tyler Lockett because you know, we're gonna hope that Bradbury can work up against D. K. Metcalf.
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But Tyler Lockett is that other 11 a type of receiver and and is one of Russell Wilson's favorite targets.
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Obviously, um, I'm I'm assuming I'm guessing because Tyler does play out of the slot so much that someone like Darnay Holmes is going to have his hands full potentially going up against him.
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E don't know where that leaves Isaac yet.
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Um, I don't I don't know how the Giants are planning on incorporating, um, some of their nickel packages.
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But it's really gonna be interesting that that passing attack is gonna is gonna be a a real tough one for Joe, Judge Patrick, grandma and and the defense to figure out Yeah, this isn't This isn't going to be about shutting down, though.
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You can set those expectations and see how the game unfolds, but it's just it's about controlling right.
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It's about not getting just absolutely exposed with consistency on that side of the ball.
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That brings me into what I also think.
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It is going to be pretty crucial for the Giants, and that's the battle in the trenches, and this really goes to both sides of the bowl.
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On the offensive side we saw last week, you know, you talk about a player like Shane Lamu.
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He got plugged in.
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He got plugged in and started, and you had Zettler on the other side.
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And Hernandez has now kind of trickle down way.
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Speculate about what was this gonna look like? It's a bad sign for Hernandez.
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It's a great sign for New York Giants fans that the team has confidence in shame.
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Lamu And for the most part, we saw a commitment from the boosh on the offensive line to say We want to start to get ourselves.
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Maybe we'll see what this looks like this weekend.
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Maybe we wanna start to settle into some identified rolls these last three weeks that we valued where you had this rotational cast was about sample size, sample size, sample size.
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And now let's try to see if we can commit to us established.
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A rotation is possible, and that did involve changes.
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So maybe the switch over from Colombo is now.
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Hernandez is falling down that depth chart, and you're seeing enough confidence in Lamu to say, All right, you're in.
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Let's go ahead and see what you have for us.
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This was something that we brought up on the show in Week three, where we said, Man, this offensive line isn't doing what it needs to do, but we've changed all these different pieces out.
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What's the one consistent piece in that? Was Hernandez at the left guard position, and while his stats weren't as bad as the left tackles that we had or the centers that we had, he was the one constant that we thought Maybe if you switch something around there, you might see a a better performance as a whole from the left side of the line.
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And that actually has been true.
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And we give Shane limb use, um, spot opportunities.
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He shows that he can handle it.
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You know, pro football focus.
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For some reason, like for a couple of weeks, there were like my eyes were telling me something different than what you're putting on the paper.
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You're saying he's a 20 the run game has never looked better, even on the left hand side.
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So things weren't really adding up and we said, You know, let's just give this a little bit more time.
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As you see, Lamu is starting to progress.
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His grades on that particular website are going up, and he deserves the time that the Giants are running the ball effectively.
00:23:04
This is the type of running offense that you expect to have with, say, Kwan Barkley back.
00:23:08
They're not necessarily win Goldman, and the idea that sank one could take any of these four or five yard runs to the house like think about if we could get this semblance of online together.
00:23:17
Those defined roles you were talking about, Adam, we really have something working here.
00:23:21
Yeah, and to your point, when we just talk about just to kind of, uh, drive this point home when we're looking at that offensive line, I want to see if I could get those official snap numbers up here and I'll try to from this past week.
00:23:32
But this is tip of the hat Thio Andrew Thio Andrew, Uh, I know that we're a tsung point.
00:23:39
I feel like we'll get to the place where we could go with, you know, even refers to you as Andy and I didn't want to cross that line before formal.
00:23:46
Right before you get a tip of the hat to Andrew who you said it like you said back early in the season, it was, Hey, what was the common thread from last year to this year and the struggles on the left side of the line? It's a way we talked about solder.
00:24:00
We talked about who was it? Center with jalopy.
00:24:02
Oh, now it's Nick Gates.
00:24:03
Now it's Andrew Thomas, and we know Thomas had his own struggles in the beginning of season, but you pointed it out.
00:24:08
Hernandez is the guy that's been there in between them on the left side both years.
00:24:13
So let's see what it looks like if someone else gets in there and we've seen the way that's trending in a positive direction.
00:24:19
So hopefully there's more of that to come.
00:24:20
And it's not a knock on Hernandez, as we said before, as well, maybe he finds a home on the right side of that guard position as we move on from slightly potentially.
00:24:27
But in the short term, this is what it's about.
00:24:29
So I'm keeping an eye on that.
00:24:31
And then, for me, the flip side of the coin in those trenches is going to be the guys we talked about.
00:24:35
The top of the show, right to guys coming for contracts.
00:24:38
Tomlinson, you've also got Leonard Williams.
00:24:40
You got Dexter Lawrence.
00:24:41
How are you going to try to control and dictate tempo to the Seattle offense? We know they're gonna have that passing attack.
00:24:49
Okay, So how do you force the issue and get into the backfield and put some pressure on Wilson and then still contain them? And then also the running attack, right? Questionable to play is Carlos Hyde.
00:24:59
We expected to still be available.
00:25:01
Questionable is Carson.
00:25:02
We expect them potentially to be available.
00:25:03
They're gonna have their weapons in the backfield.
00:25:05
But we've done a really good job in this defensive front of shutting down run games.
00:25:09
And that can start to change how that dynamic looks and how explosive and offensive game is, especially through the receiving and passing attack.
00:25:18
If you eliminate one of their avenues of moving the ball with consistency, yeah, and listen, I'm not gonna go too crazy or overstated.
00:25:25
Russell Wilson is one of the best quarterbacks in the league, and even if we do get a chance to stop the run game, he has the ability Thio pull Magic Rabbit out of a hat.
00:25:33
He has the ability Thio scramble by himself more time.
00:25:37
He is just an all pro type quarterback.
00:25:39
There's no other way around it, or what I will say is, you know if you pick a particular spot in their offense that they're not as good.
00:25:46
It is in the Russian attack, their 11th in yards, their 14th in total touchdowns from the Russian position, where as their top five in every single passing statistical category, right? So So there are areas where we can say that is a little bit of their weakness, even though it's, you know, middle of the league for them in terms of rushing touchdowns, top half in in, uh, rushing yards, that it's somewhere where we have been pretty staunch down in the trenches.
00:26:10
Now, if you flip it over to the other side of it, the Seattle Seahawks are third in the league in rushing yards against.
00:26:16
They don't give up very many rushing yards.
00:26:19
They Their problem has been their secondary and their pass rushing.
00:26:23
And what's interesting is they've kind of gone hand in hand, which makes a lot of sense.
00:26:28
If you can get to the quarterback faster and you can sack the quarterback or make them speed up their decision making process, the chances are that your secondary is gonna look better because they don't have the guard for us. Much time.
00:26:39
The ball has to come out faster.
00:26:40
It may not be as accurate there are. They're on the move.
00:26:43
And so you know that uh, Seattle, four or five weeks ago was the bottom third in the league in sacks and they went out and they got a guy named Carlos Dunlap from the Cincinnati Bengals.
00:26:54
Huge, huge difference.
00:26:56
And, you know, as we talk about, it's a Jekyll and Hyde defense before that, their bottom third in the league in sacks.
00:27:02
Since he's come there, they've moved up to seventh in the league in total sacks in four games.
00:27:07
They have like 15 sacks.
00:27:08
He's got four of them.
00:27:09
They have looked tremendous with Carlos Dunlap there.
00:27:12
But Adam, there's a key key component on this.
00:27:16
Carlos Dunlap has missed the last two practices with a foot injury.
00:27:21
And much like Daniel Jones, I will be watching the Seattle, uh, injury report to find out if he practices today.
00:27:28
Because I do believe that if Carlos Dunlap doesn't play, that is a massive advantage for the Giants.
00:27:35
Yeah, 100%.
00:27:36
And you're you know, as we talked about first off, last off last off.
00:27:40
This is where we want to get into that.
00:27:41
That two sides of the coin that has been Seattle and you know, the funny thing that you mentioned there are released concerning thing is probably more apt.
00:27:48
Way to put it is that when you talk about a defense that has been stout against the run.
00:27:56
And now you're talking about Dunlap impacting how they are getting to the quarterback All of a sudden, this this comes together at this at this intersection point where I say, man Se****, Barkley coining the phrase the Wayne train All aboard.
00:28:09
Okay, let's just see how if you know this is Cem premature stops along the track for the Wayne train in this particular game.
00:28:17
And then when you talk about maybe not having, you know, having Daniel Jones and being Colt McCoy like everything about this is converging in a way that could could go one of two ways.
00:28:26
If the scheme is there, if you can figure out the tempo, if you can do things with a little bit of consistency early on offense, maybe you start to get into a back and forth, but very quickly in this one, it could go.
00:28:37
Hey, if you want to get there, it's gonna have to be hung on the defense's hat as opposed to this offense being able to find real rhythm and real strides there.
00:28:45
And that's why Dunlap becomes so crucial if he's not on the field.
00:28:48
At least you can breathe a little bit easier.
00:28:50
Well, so I think the defense has shown that there are known commodity, and they're going to try to contain Russell, Wilson and Seattle as much as they can.
00:28:59
If they give up 20 points to the Seattle Seahawks, that's a win.
00:29:04
The Seahawks are third in the league in points per game. They're averaging.
00:29:07
There are one of three teams to be averaging over 30 points a game on offense.
00:29:11
They are dynamic, their explosive, the other to the Packers and the Chiefs.
00:29:15
They all have something in common.
00:29:16
They all have all pro type quarterbacks, right? So you know, we're just going to say, Hey, they're averaging 31 a game.
00:29:22
If we can drop that down to about 20 points and keep the Giants in it, that'd be great.
00:29:27
What I truly believe and this is where I'm gonna be may be putting a couple of shekels down over the weekend is on Colt McCoy's arm.
00:29:37
The Seattle Seahawks rank 32nd in the league in both passing yards per game and passes so like they give up a ton of yards through the air.
00:29:49
Uh, that's why Jason Garrett said, We're not going to condense this playbook.
00:29:52
We have to be able to throw the ball.
00:29:54
They are stout in the run game, clearly their third in the league in rushing yards against Colt.
00:30:01
McCoy is gonna have to throw the ball for the Giants to win, because we're not.
00:30:04
I don't see this game being a 10 7 game in Seattle, right, like Seattle is going to score 14 21 points.
00:30:11
We need to be able to put up points, and the only way to do that is through the air, which is the biggest weakness for Seattle.
00:30:18
That's the question mark.
00:30:19
The kind of have to write is a little bit as well start to wrap this old bad boy up here on a Friday afternoon.
00:30:25
Friday afternoon, Friday morning.
00:30:26
God, I wish it was Friday afternoon, Friday afternoon.
00:30:29
For our UK listeners.
00:30:30
We have a huge fan base.
00:30:32
You shout out to London by the ones right big base out there in London, uh, just across the pond, as they often say, Um, that's what's gonna be interesting about how the game unfolds in the early stages, right? are you? And what are the Giants really behind closed doors? In a moment of honesty when no one's around? No cameras, no microphones.
00:30:50
Are you going into this game with the intention of trying to win it, or are you going in with the version off? What keeps us close in this one, right, What allows us with the opportunity? So what I mean by that is like you said, you gotta have to rely on quote McCoy's arm at some point, okay, you're gonna rely on it, But are you also going to do a lot of short passes? Are you going to let him open it up and take some deep shots? Because that's how you could expose this defense for Seattle.
00:31:15
Looking for Darius latent, maybe looking for anger. Um, etcetera.
00:31:18
If you let that happen, it's probably a high risk, high reward, right? Could be a turnover could see some pics could also see some big plays to help move it.
00:31:26
I wonder if the Giants are gonna walk into this game to your point about how strong the defense has been throughout the year and say, Are we gonna take these big shots right? out the gate and maybe put ourselves out of the game early, or are we gonna try toe dip our toe gingerly into the water, and the bad side of that is also, if Seattle offensively gets a rhythm going early, you could still find yourself down so that that's why it's such a delicate balance with this team is gonna try to look to do.
00:31:50
And I'm I'm very intrigued by how they approach it.
00:31:52
Well, I think whatever game plan, to your point, we talked even before the show.
00:31:57
Whatever game plan you come up with, stick to it and and have conviction with it.
00:32:00
Like if they are a stout rushing defense.
00:32:03
If you think that we've got the line figured out and you think that when Goldman can get consistent yard stick with it, I personally think that it's gonna be challenging.
00:32:11
We're gonna have to mix in.
00:32:12
I think you're going to see a heavy dose of Dion Lewis, Uh, come this weekend because of his ability to get outside and help calm accord with some of those short passes.
00:32:21
Um, but the good news Adam is, and the silver lining to all of this is just in case Colt McCoy isn't doing well.
00:32:28
We have an emergency quarterback on our roster, your guy that could maybe stretched to feel vertically.
00:32:35
That knows. The Seattle Seahawks team.
00:32:37
Um, I write that is our gentleman, the man, The myth, the legend.
00:32:41
One Golden Tate.
00:32:42
Who, by the way, though, when asked about this about possibly being an emergency quarterback if necessary, his inside of his quote was the he's like, yeah, and then they look over and you go, Uh, I gotta get out there and try to do this thing.
00:32:55
So hey, listen, I I think he is.
00:32:57
I think he legitimately is the emergency.
00:32:59
If something needs to happen here, you might even prefer to go to him, even as opposed to anyone else on the roster for Q B play.
00:33:05
And also Golden Tate wants to be the guy that wants a game, gets the ball, gets to kind of roam around the backfield and see if he wants to lob one somewhere.
00:33:15
He does not want to be the dude standing there under center or in a shotgun typesetting, saying three wide receivers say onto onto Eli, Eli.
00:33:23
But you know that is not the world that Golden State wants to live in.
00:33:27
I don't think that it is too far fetched to say off all the players on the active roster.
00:33:32
Golden Tate is the one that wants that one opportunity.
00:33:36
One pass to throw deep down the field for a touchdown, like he is the guy like he wants to do that more than Colt.
00:33:41
McCoy doesn't think.
00:33:42
Is this the poor man's version of O.
00:33:45
B J to say Kwame Barkley? Not too long ago, remember the deep bomb past that he threw once upon a time when Eli was still our quarterback? This could be the Golden Tate toe.
00:33:54
Wayne Goldman, the train, the Express down the sideline for a big play.
00:33:58
I like to Philly Special.
00:34:00
Almost instead, I think I let's call it right now, Adam.
00:34:03
Say it with conviction.
00:34:04
We're going a little Golden Tate to Colt McCoy, Action Wheel Route 15 20 yard touchdown.
00:34:12
Get things going, but you know it's gonna be tough, you know, with with presumably without Daniel Jones, and we'll find this news out later.
00:34:19
Colt McCoy is gonna have to make things happen.
00:34:20
We may have to get a little bit, um, you know, expand the playbook rather than retract the playbook with Colt McCoy to really have an opportunity in Seattle, which is such a tough place to play.
00:34:30
Well, listen, at the end of the day, friends.
00:34:33
At the end of the day, the game line here is out there before we head into the weekend, where we know we'll get into it on Sunday morning with our predictions.
00:34:40
But where do we currently stand? Andy in terms off the Giants, taking on the Seattle Seahawks? Which, by the way, is in Seattle Just in case anyone's wondering it doesn't mean travel for this team is, well, sometimes easy to forget that in the current state of the NFL.
00:34:52
But this is going East Coast, the West Coast.
00:34:54
What's the game game line at right now and then? I have a couple of key moments toe look for in this one as well, so the betting line is the Giants plus 10 at the moment.
00:35:04
Yeah, are getting double digits and the over under is 47 a half, and what this tells me is, obviously, that they don't anticipate Daniel Jones being able to play it all.
00:35:17
They also think that the Giants were going to be able to put up at least 14 points in this game.
00:35:23
You know, like I think they think that the Giants will be able to move the ball slightly on day.
00:35:28
Say that.
00:35:29
Hey, the Seattle Seahawks put up 30 a game.
00:35:31
You know what? They don't believe the Giants defense will will change the fact that that they've been averaging 30 consistently.
00:35:37
So that's kind of where Vegas is.
00:35:40
At what? Where, What do your reactions to the lines? Yeah, some of the uglier predictions out there heading into the end of the week here is 35.
00:35:47
10 has been thrown out there.
00:35:48
Seattle, but a lot of them have lived in and around the range of 27 2027 14 24.
00:35:55
You know something in that relatively low range, and I I think that kind of probably speaks to just Seattle, maybe being able to dictate tempo a little bit and choose their spots when they want to get some big plays and they put up some points on the early line.
00:36:06
Listen, it's a backup quarterback, right? I mean, you're going to a backup quarterback.
00:36:10
This is a team for as excited as we are about them.
00:36:12
They are still four and seven.
00:36:14
They do have their struggles, and I really just think I mean 10 points is a lot just to be clear here.
00:36:21
I mean that that that that is a big number, regardless of who's under center.
00:36:24
But I just think it speaks to the confidence in general, around the league for Seattle.
00:36:28
Right now, I'm like what you talked about the Jekyll and Hyde.
00:36:30
But they've been mawr, I guess, Jekyll than hide.
00:36:33
You know this point.
00:36:34
They've been more positive than negative as they're working their way through the season.
00:36:37
But I also take a look at what they just did against the Philadelphia Eagles and think, Listen, you beat the Philadelphia Eagles, 23 17.
00:36:44
I know there's a late touchdown in there for Philly, but that wasn't a dominant performance against the team that has been absolutely brutal with consistency all year in Philadelphia.
00:36:55
So that's where I get a little bit curious about.
00:36:57
You want to throw out a 10 point line.
00:36:59
The question becomes sorry is is Carson Wentz right now a better quarterback Colt McCoy.
00:37:08
That's the question that we're asking really here, really here.
00:37:10
And I don't know if I ever saw myself doing that, but that's what it comes down to.
00:37:13
And then you talk about turnovers.
00:37:15
If Colt McCoy just don't turn the ball over, at least go neutral in that regard.
00:37:19
It makes things interesting well, and the Giants defense is far superior to the Eagles defense and in my mind, so we have a better defensive matchup.
00:37:26
But yeah, I mean, it's an interesting question to ask, and if if someone would have asked that question in August, they probably would have laughed you off of the podcast.
00:37:35
But this is 2020 and and we take nothing for granted anymore, Okay? As we head out the door here and wrap this thing up, we do just say here when I talk about key moments.
00:37:44
You mentioned how good Russell Wilson is, and he certainly is one of the elite quarterbacks in the league.
00:37:49
However, do you want to look for a key moment when Seattle finds itself in the red zone? Russell Wilson has this season been willing to turn the ball over while trying to make plays.
00:38:00
That is going to be a crucial moment.
00:38:02
You're going to see an opportunity, I think, in this game, whether it's right there in the hands of a defender or just if you could have the coverage.
00:38:09
If you can force Russell Wilson to try to make a play that he shouldn't and get a turnover in the red zone defensively, as we know, right, take seven points off the board and maybe find yourself with the opportunity.
00:38:20
Get three or seven off your own.
00:38:21
That's one of the key ones that I look at.
00:38:23
Well, what's interesting about about you bringing that up at him is that is gonna be The Red Zone is is key to everything here in every game, but especially with Seattle on Russell Wilson, because you said he does have a propensity to turn the ball over in the red zone.
00:38:36
But when he doesn't turn the ball over, they score touchdowns, their fifth in the league in red zone touchdown percentage.
00:38:42
So when they do get it down there, it's either a touchdown or a turnover.
00:38:45
There's very few field goals in between.
00:38:47
Look out for some of those plays where Russell Wilson's trying to find tire locket or D.
00:38:51
K. Metcalf 15, 20 yards out.
00:38:53
And let's see if someone like Brad Barrier Peppers could make a play and flip the script where the Giants have been very strong, punching it in in the red zone of late.
00:38:59
Now, with Colt McCoy under center, though, Daniel Jones wasn't throwing a touchdown passes.
00:39:03
So again, running game.
00:39:04
Can you punch it in? When it counts the most? Expect to see some fourth down and go opportunities for Big Blue as well.
00:39:11
Follow us using the hashtag o g p on SportsCastr Get after us on social media at one giant podcast.
00:39:17
We will be in on Social I G live, given our game predictions come Sunday morn, maybe even afternoon with a 405 start time out there on the West Coast.
00:39:26
Until then, tell the people, Andy what you want, need and demand that they know.
00:39:31
Let's go Big Blue

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