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Adam are bricks and Matt Brooks.
Um, we are in the building doing a whole bunch of I mean, I guess we haven't really talked even since free agency commenced.
So we have a whole bunch to talk about.
I don't really know what ideas we bounced off each other.
How you feeling? Were what, a day or two removed from it.
We caught up on sleep.
Everything of the sort.
Yeah, I guess, you know, And what? We're running into the holidays coming up just a couple of days.
So I feel so that should be stuff in my face and sitting down with a small group of families.
So let's try to tie a bow on this thing.
If we can look like, you know what the last couple of dominoes fall here.
I don't even know who's left.
It's like Bogdanovich and Ingram and Davis, which are like, probably three of the biggest 62 of them are un interesting to me.
No, Davis is coming back.
It's all about the duration of the contract.
And then Ingram Yeah, it seems like he's coming back.
I mean, they have the ability to match.
So I don't be hard pressed, you know? I mean, like, what? And I'm sure the team you could think of, but like, what? Team out been saying that the pelicans were like, Well, you're overvaluing him by 40%.
Like that's what you probably have to do for the Pelican Stops match.
And I don't see a team doing Yeah, No.
So it it'll happen.
It's a little weird.
It hasn't happened, but I think it will happen.
We'll get that drop any day now.
Um, it's funny we have the pelicans or the I thought was a little hefty.
But that's been the going rate for centers this year around, which is bizarre.
I get that the Lakers just one, but, uh, but it's very weird to see this many centers that are, you know, maybe closer to league average, getting around $10 million a year and and and higher Um, weird.
Weird, weird stuff going on this year.
I thought it was very bizarre.
I mean, like, you know, I guess as some people have talked about when you look at, say, a team like the Knicks, who didn't really dance in a lot of the waters this year, and it's just like saying that's what it takes.
You wanna you wanna make a move to even marginally improve your team or improve depth.
It takes a somewhat substantial commitment order to accomplish that.
For a guy and Steven Adams, who about I like him, you know, he's a good, good player.
I think he I think he does add to the pelicans.
And also, it's not a guy that I would think would require that price tag in order to bring him in.
But it's all relative to where you are in your franchise and what you feel like the you know, again, those marginal steps forward. You could take season season.
I think he helps them.
It's great to have a guy of his skill set on that roster, whose young and has exciting players and also could use a little bit of that.
You know, I'll call it muscle, right? Just that's all, is it you want? You want a guy's gonna go in there and bang bodies and frustrate the opposition.
I don't love the idea of pairings Ion with a center that doesn't shoot like it just for me, That's not the move.
But I mean, you know, at the end of the day, you're only working with somebody centers that can shoot threes, that at least a credible level.
So then it just becomes like, What are you looking at? Are you looking at the Tween dead and buy out being like, All right, this is our guy.
Like it's it's kind of, you know, there were a lot of centers available in this year's class, but very few of them could stretch the floor.
And and two of them went to contenders in Ibaka and Gasol to the Lakers.
So, um, yeah, I mean it.
I don't know if I grew that.
It kind of solidified the big topic for me today, which is seems like a lot of the top teams in the East improved or stayed about the same and a lot of teams in the West got worse.
That's but there s so you know, you trade in like a trez and, you know, sham it for Luke Kennard, who I It simplifies things and I thing with Ibaka.
Um, you know, you trade in trees and J.
You get Ibaka in there, it's like, Okay, that's that's improvement.
So outside of them, though, I just It's funny, like pretty much every single team that made the playoffs last year has has gotten a little bit worse.
I guess you could say the Mavericks that improved.
I would probably agree with that, though.
I don't know about Porzingis his health, but it's like the Nuggets definitely got worse.
The Rockets, who knows the Jazz? I grew to go very year older.
What does that look like? And then it gets down like the Blazers and the sons who have improved.
It's gonna be a different Western Conference versus the East.
The heat of all stayed the same.
The Celtics are, you know? Okay.
I wonder if they're kind of like a Clippers situation where shedding a piece will actually help them.
Um, and then outside of that six has improved. Its just. It's interesting.
Yeah, and it's funny, too, because when you look at West, one of the things that comes to mind like you say, Well, the Lakers, they retool themselves and they want to be ready to fire back for another championship.
The Clippers understood.
We gotta tweet Something here doesn't add up and bring in a guy in Ibaka who, by the way, won the championship with Kawhi Leonard in Toronto.
So you know all that talk about where the ties and even the Kevin Durant piece of you go, But you know, like he knows for a fact that he worked really well with this guy right now at this point in his career.
So nice move there.
When you say, like the Jazz and the Nuggets and some of these teams and even the Mavericks that that took a leap forward or showed us something in the bubble.
I do think the interesting thing about them is that they probably look at it relatively speaking in a Let's run it back kind of way, right? Like, let's let's just see what we have in another year where we've taken what we think is a leap forward.
How do we look another year from now? And if you are, say, talking about Jonathan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert, we go, OK, let's ride this thing out one more year, he'll be a year older.
Yes, and we'll maybe see.
And we could even, by the way, see what this looks like in the early portion this season and even push a mild panic button at the trade deadline and then dial up those talks again around Gilbert.
And if that if that works together or not, um, lower level team, like the Sun's making a big splash.
They want to e no, you and I move initially with Holiday and then the Bogdanovich piece.
That doesn't end up happening now.
They kind of end up still in this ish area of being slightly improved or at least reconfigured.
But everybody else is relatively standing pat.
I think a team like the Hawks, I think they did a lot to make themselves competitively better.
I don't don't you know this isn't me going, and now they're foresee.
But I think they released gonna make themselves competitive at the back and back into the playoffs.
But its other teams, like the Orlando Magic that were in that bubble conversation like those are the teams have questions about like those you know, the ones that were the fringe team, especially these where you go.
Are you gonna be better? Are you gonna be the same? Which actually makes you worse relative to competition around you.
So some of these teams I have question marks just around the idea.
Senator is going out of style.
I mean, they are complete segment to me.
I don't have no concept around what their intentions are.
Yeah, they that pistons over.
They Yeah, the East feels like one through seven.
We kind of know what it's gonna look like.
I don't I don't feel like the Pacers are gonna fall out.
Um, that would be shocking.
Honestly, because that would mean one of the Bulls, wizards and Hawks would make it over them.
I think if you're looking at, they actually had. If you had.
If I had the bet on who would make that last spot, I almost lean towards the wizards over anybody right now.
Um, I think the Hawks did a lot.
I don't know how much they've improved, which feels like I think they've improved.
I don't know if they're a playoff team improvement.
Um, they've added a lot more in terms of scoring, which was never really the issue for them.
Their issue was really defense.
I like the Rondo get.
You know, Rondo's fine defensively.
Kristen was an awesome get for them, but then he kind of goes down the line.
It's like, Well, yeah, as one of your like how? Like what? I just I think there's a lot of really bizarre aspects to them.
They look very splashy, but I just I don't know.
I'm not all the way in on it.
So can I ask you that? Because Keith and I touched on this yesterday where I said, um, you know, relatively speaking about doing or not doing.
And we're gonna hold Pat, we're gonna draft some guys. We're gonna be younger.
And that's you know, if you're a young team you're trying to build, okay, and there's actually ties in to, say, like the Charlotte Hornets, where everyone was questioned and he's 30 Oh, capacity of of agent youth and better experience and maybe help get you over the humble of well, that I.
It's a delicate balance for Atlanta, especially with Gallinari, right, cause 32 years old, like you don't know when the tread starts to wear a little thin on that tire, then I'm like defensive perspective.
So I guess, like to do a couple of these short term contracts that shows Trae Young.
We know we need to do things here.
It's just that maybe this wasn't going to be the off season for us to make some of those bigger place, because was there somebody out there that you think that they automatically should have been? Booth, Let's go get this guy in the free agency market and worry about all the other supplemental pieces.
Or is this feel like the best within reason they could have looked to accomplish? And then maybe you wait for next offseason for a bigger move.
I just think they're rushing it.
That's my That's my internal feelings.
I've never really understood the rush Tau like right now we need to be this playoff team, Um, so that's kind of my feeling is like Okay, you have to rookie wings last year and then you're surrounding them with Collins, who is good.
But you could maybe move him for something else.
Maybe more draft equity.
And then Trey Young, who's a sop****re and it looks really good.
But ah, lot of that's putting up big numbers.
We don't know what that really is gonna turn into, so it's just I don't know if I'm quite understand the timeline with them, like they're just they feel again, really rushed.
And Gallinari is, Ah, good player, but I don't I think he makes a lot more sense in, like a reduced role in a row, one of our premier guys on a team that's like really trying to gun it and then and then Bogdanovich I like, I think like if they just done Bogdanovich the thing that also with Gallinari and Bogdanovich is like they needed shooting, and I think that that's a great way to go about that.
But those guys are like there's just a little bit something similar with them where I might.
I just I feel like somebody is not gonna get enough touches there.
That's pretty much what this comes down Thio and then it's like it's a big ask of Hey, can you turn Trey Young and do liken off ball guy, which he just hasn't been yet.
It's gonna be good experience for him and I think if this all goes well for them, they they have these guys out there. They have Bogdanovich.
You know, they have Gallinari and Terry Young becomes a little bit better oven off ballplayer.
And that's the best case scenario.
The worst case scenario is that you have to trade one of those guys at the deadline.
Yeah, maybe that's a part of it, too, right? Like you're not going to say that out loud now.
But you also go.
And if this isn't working so much, then Gallinari is a good piece for a contending team that wants to grab somebody and then end up flipping him for assets.
And we kind of go in the vein that you're talking about.
So you're right. Yeah, it's weird.
I guess at the very least, I look at it and I go, Well, this you're trying something and maybe but maybe you're right because there's the other team that people keep talking about.
Um, depending on your perspective, like I think that the New York Knicks air doing everything the right way right now, Whether you agree or disagree with the picks per se, that's not That's not after young players they have a very for spend a veteran.
Guys, they didn't try to jump the gun here, and it's probably be easier to do in Atlanta than it is to do it in New York.
And also this feels like the right thing to do, and they're still taking heat for it.
I think relatively speaking, but this is the best path of success is just to admit, yes, we've tried some things for the last two decades.
It hasn't worked out the way we thought, and now we just need to be patients.
Even though it's been rough now is that we're actually agreed talent and see them develop and see what little like that. That seems really smart.
And it seems like they're taking a little plaque around that, not going out and making a splash play, not automatically pursuing a Westbrook or getting it on even a hardened deal.
Whatever it like, they do anything they want.
They have over what 30 to 40 want Thio, and I don't think I think player you're gonna bring in.
That's gonna Martin Lee make you better this upcoming season.
Anything beyond saying, maybe you sneak into the playoffs, it's like you're gonna be a threatening team come playoff time.
Yeah, I thought the Ed Davis move was really stealthy, like getting that getting that second round pick that's like, That's like, What? What smart teams to.
That's what good front offices do they call around.
They say, Hey, like, you know, first off, like I The Jazz were very forgettable this offseason.
Like, I didn't feel like they brought back Derrick favors.
But that's just smart stuff to know.
Hey, they want Derrick favors.
They had Ed Davis.
They need to make you know, a little bit of room on their books.
Let's see if we can get something for Ed Davis versus just trading.
You know, whatever.
One fault? Um, yeah, so but like, that's just a smart move.
Like I thought they did a really good job this offseason, Onda.
Some people were let down.
Oh, they brought Elfrid Payton back.
Elfrid Payton is a fine place holder like this off season could have been different.
They could have brought in Kemba Walker and Gordon Hayward, you know, giving him a big deal.
And then you're in this weird like, what direction are they really going? They're they're letting the world know we're gonna take your bad contracts were going to do that if you need us to, and I just it's smart, like it's it's very net.
See, I mean, it's just it's what they needed to dio That's yeah, that's why when people and I think this is generally going to sports talk radio in other spots where they're like, What do you do? And you got to be more ambitious and then some will point out like, Well, this feels a little bit like what Brooklyn did a handful of years ago.
And by the way, if you come into this year and I know you know expectations gonna be relatively low for them.
So if you're if you're earmarked in a 72 game season for 20 to 25 wins and you win 30 games 31 games like that's a needle mover in the right direction and whatever and who knows, you could surprise some people and anything that you do above expectation is going to be good will to free agents.
And so what it looks like going into next year.
So, yeah, love Thio, knock them a bit.
Mawr but I feel relatively, you know, comfortable actually with what they did.
The other ones we mentioned Orlando before.
I mean, just what do you feel about Orlando? You said some of these teams that marginally can jump up in the back end of the Eastern Conference is Orlando and danger of just kind of falling down the list into like the 10th 11th, just that murky, weird pack of teams because we talk about a team that I was high on, pre draft and pre free agency.
And I'm much more confused by now because Chicago Bulls.
But now, so now in that pack of teams, you go, Yeah, Chicago in Orlando and maybe Atlanta's a little bit rising.
But I don't like Orlando for having blue ceviche and having Aaron Gordon.
I just look at them and go, Yeah, like you guys, just maybe, like an 8th, 9th, 10th seed And there's a there's a there's a very clear ceiling to me.
To the roster as constituted are so more anything.
They're so bored.
They're just boring.
They're the same team every year.
Sure, they'll add whatever some power forward or a center.
This here what do they do, they bring back beyond Bo, I believe.
No, no beyond went to the Hornets.
I can't even tell anymore.
It's these two teams.
They're just swapping the same.
Whatever they have.
Obviously they have.
You know, they drafted Coal Anthony.
So that's that's exciting for them from, you know, from that standpoint to have him in there.
But they said, I mean, you're talking about You know, James Ennis the third, and Michael Carter Williams in behind.
Like the 48 48 48 folks backcourt in and of itself is and it's not a knock on each of these guys.
It's an incredibly boring, also is at least fun.
That's the only part of their team that's like redeemable right now.
And no Jonathan Isaac next year.
That's the only reason to watch the magic right now.
If you think there, do you think of Orlando likes full Hey, like this is a piece, our team, or do you think that like they look at him as being we? We've recommended him a little bit and we can try to flip him because he's a young point guard because I can't tell if they're in on him or they were just in on market.
That that that he offered e.
I think they have to be in on that because it's not like they're going to get like a star point guard to sign in Orlando.
So you kind of you have to take these chances on guys.
I mean, clearly, they're looking at something like they're going to see they drafted coal Anthony like it's not like they're like, over the moon about Marquel folds, and they're ready to just drop everything for him.
So No, I mean, I think folks is good and there are gonna just continue toe to ride the Marquel Foltz train.
Um, I kind of think there's a pretty limited ceiling on what he's gonna become, which is a shame.
I just think he's missed so much like progression and stuff like that.
It just I don't know, so that that parts tricky.
He's still young, and he's got a lot of time to figure it out.
And I feel like I say that every year and they could make the playoffs.
There'll be a really, really dull, you know, sub 500 make, but it will be if Atlanta doesn't look the way they should.
If the Bulls who lost Chris done, brought in Garrett Temple, good vet for them brought back Valentine, which find hasn't been able to stay healthy, but like if they if they still just a roster, that doesn't make any sense.
You know, the Levin Laurie Market and Window Carter thing just doesn't work, which I don't know.
I mean, I think it will make you know they'd be my team also, like they might just make the playoffs by having a normal coach on Ben.
And then, you know, I just like maybe the magic make it at the bottom of the East.
It could be really fun.
Like it could be really fun to have this, like big comeback season for the Bulls.
Or, you know, a resurgent run from the Hawks.
Or it could just be like, oh, cool.
Like the Wizards sputtered into the eighth seed or the Magic stumbled into the eighth seed.
It's just it could be either, or so that's the seventh seed, but Orlando Charlot, Washington, even Chicago