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00:00:03
welcome to SportsCastr everybody again Thursday night football.
00:00:08
And yes, I understand it's another crappy game for Thursday night football.
00:00:14
But you gotta understand thes air games that the NFL really can't, you know, flex teams in and out of because no one wants to play Thursday Night football on a short notice.
00:00:26
That's something that would not hey, New England, you're not gonna play this game.
00:00:33
You're gonna go over here three days earlier and play.
00:00:36
I don't I don't think anyone is gonna want that.
00:00:38
Um, so we got the Atlanta Falcons who are sitting at, what, one and six.
00:00:43
We got Carolina Panthers, who were three and four.
00:00:48
Obviously, there's gonna people is gonna watch it because it's the only game available and there are a lot of really big NFL fans out there, No matter who it is, it's playing.
00:00:58
I personally, I will probably watch most of it, depending upon how the game goes.
00:01:04
Christian McCaffrey is an out for this game.
00:01:07
They were hoping to have him by this game, but now they're saying, probably, uh, week after versus Kansas City, and you've got a healthy Atlanta Falcons offense right now, So let's get into the game and let's let's talk about some of these storylines that we've got.
00:01:24
Adam.
00:01:25
You got anything to mention about this? Yeah.
00:01:27
I mean, listen, it's the Carolina Panthers have been surprising to this point this year, he said.
00:01:31
Three and four, you know they've won more games in first year head coaches Matt Rule start in his tenure there.
00:01:37
It's great they went and got Robby Anderson in the off season, the scrapheap piece that the Jets apparently had no function for in their system.
00:01:44
Turns out that he is pretty darn effective and consistent with Teddy Bridgewater.
00:01:48
They're like, This is a and you lose Christian McCaffrey, and you still managed to have Ah, pretty successful first seven games, so it's been great on that side of it.
00:01:56
But really, all my attention is on the Atlanta Falcons side of things.
00:01:58
At 16 it's over.
00:02:01
It's been over for a couple of years.
00:02:03
You fired your head coach. You have Morris.
00:02:05
There's the interim.
00:02:06
I actually don't mind him as the head coach.
00:02:07
I wouldn't mind if you got a shot their long term, but I think they need to be all the conversations right now on the NFL or about buyers and sellers.
00:02:14
The Atlanta Falcons should be shopping a couple of pieces here.
00:02:16
We know one player.
00:02:17
McKinney got held out of this game tonight because I think, potentially, he could get moved.
00:02:22
But on the offensive side, Julio Jones still a beast.
00:02:25
I think there's value there in a trade.
00:02:27
They should be looking to sell off pieces here before the deadline so they can get themselves in a good position to reboot this thing pretty quickly.
00:02:34
A lot of holes on defense to fill for them going into the offseason, next year's draft.
00:02:39
Ray, any storylines you want to cover or add on the Adams already said, Yeah, the Atlanta Falcons need to sell.
00:02:45
I think they need a complete culture change there.
00:02:47
They need to get rid of every single player on that team, not even just because they're bad players.
00:02:51
If we go back to last week against Detroit, and just the fact that Todd Gurley runs into the end zone when they could have killed the clock 23 seconds, kicked the field goal, win the game instead, score the touchdown and let Detroit come back.
00:03:04
So you might say to me, Ray, Yeah, but what are the odds that matches staffer is gonna lead the, You know, Detroit Lines a minute. Five.
00:03:09
No timeouts.
00:03:10
Doesn't matter.
00:03:11
It's just the culture, the team, this team, no matter what, whether it's not knowing the onside kick rule, whether it's not going down before the end zone.
00:03:19
This team does not know how toe win, and I think it's coaching that coaching staff is still Dan Quinn's staff.
00:03:27
That's still the same coaching staff that were there before.
00:03:30
I think you need to get rid of the leaders in the locker room.
00:03:33
You need to go young.
00:03:34
You need a new coach.
00:03:35
It's not a knock on Julio Jones. It's not at all.
00:03:38
He need to change the scenery, But you need some new leaders in that room that aren't used to this consistent losing.
00:03:43
And I'll go back a Sfar a saying the Super Bowl against the Patriots.
00:03:47
The 28 to 3 you know, you know, come back loss.
00:03:51
We'll call it for the Atlanta.
00:03:53
I call it a win.
00:03:54
They can call it a loss.
00:03:55
Um, it just seems ever since blowing that Super Bowl, it hasn't been the same Atlanta team that we saw even years prior that we're almost there.
00:04:02
We just watched this team slowly declined back and back and back.
00:04:06
And the fact that when we go through every game this season, the Dallas game, the Detroit game, um, even the Seattle game for, Ah, a mere moment and I'm trying to number one other game.
00:04:16
When you look at this team, this team could very easily be four and two or four and five.
00:04:20
Whatever the record is right now, what's the record? One in six s, so they could be four and three instead of one and six Instead, they're one in six because they don't know how to close out a ball game.
00:04:29
You need an absolute culture change.
00:04:32
As for Carolina, um, you know, a part of me wants to say, Man, you never should've got Greta Cam Newton.
00:04:37
Forget what you're seeing in New England the last two weeks.
00:04:39
He probably would have got covert if he's in Carolina, he probably doesn't go through this mental lapse.
00:04:44
What he could do with this plea with Robby Anderson would look great, but I think you needed to move on from Cam Newton and change the culture around there is.
00:04:51
Well, um, you know, maybe if Cam Newton's there and I'm not saying cams a bad locker room guy or bad for culture, but sometimes new coach that era there was the Ron Rivera Cam Newton era in Carolina.
00:05:02
This is a new era, and I think Teddy Bridgewater is a is.
00:05:06
I think they brought him into the bridge quarterback, and they may have found a future quarterback for themselves.
00:05:10
So two different teams in two completely different scenarios right now.
00:05:15
But you and you'd say radio that the you're like the way you just lay that out is Atlanta Should have been.
00:05:20
Should have done what Carolina did, right? Moved on from the Matt Ryan moved on from some of these big pieces and rebooted it, and you probably would actually looking a little bit better in this season.
00:05:28
The other game was the Green Bay one, where they effectively did get blown out.
00:05:31
By the way, they're only wins against the Minnesota Vikings, who are having their own disastrous season as well.
00:05:35
So this is a bad Vikings game team away from being being winless on this season.
00:05:41
If you're Atlanta and when you have that many big names on your on your roster, I don't care about the defense is you got to be winning some of these well, to be fair, the Atlanta Falcons.
00:05:50
I mean, they've been in games a lot of games this season.
00:05:53
I think, like four of them have been winnable with within, you know, last drive type situations where they were, either winning were about to win the game.
00:06:01
And then something happens, something crazy like, Oops, I accidentally fell in the end.
00:06:06
So when in the world you accidentally fall in the end zone and it's a bad thing very, very odd.
00:06:12
But I mean that that was the situation.
00:06:13
Well, it's a funny thing because it was a Detroit player making the mistake, trying to tackle him.
00:06:19
That almost given the extra momentum, Yeah, and instead of Todd Gurley just letting him, it gave him that extra competitive.
00:06:26
I gotta pull away.
00:06:27
And then all of a sudden he's at the half yard line, went Oh, no, and you could see him try to fall.
00:06:31
Well, as you recall, you'll know the Ahmad Bradshaw right in the Super bowl against the Patriots, but it begins.
00:06:38
Well, Fork pushed him in when he stopped, and they made sure that he fell into that end zone is like falls backwards in.
00:06:46
But it's such a It's such a difficult thing to communicate a principal like that.
00:06:50
So in that play for Atlanta, right? And for Detroit there they're both, they're both.
00:06:54
All their instincts are.
00:06:55
I got to go tackle this guy, and his instinct is I'm supposed to break through this tackle.
00:06:59
So you end up seeing in such a weird and awkward play or neither player fully committed to the thing they know they're supposed to dio and then also can't manage to not get into the end zone.
00:07:07
So it's those situations air so difficult that point if I was in, which is what I find weird about those is, you would think Atlanta, Detroit, We just open it up and step out of the way and let him run through.
00:07:19
And you would think that Todd Gurley would just fall over at the line of why bother getting into the motion of running? Just lay down on the ground and for someone to come touch you it's It's so interesting when those plays happen in the NFL, because I said the mechanics inside of a player's brain are so hard to adjust and say now uniquely do this thing that we only ask you to do 0.
00:07:37
1% of the time.
00:07:39
Oh, yeah, and it's such a great play because you see the rest of Detroit just stand up and one guy just comes charging in for, like, here we dio time.
00:07:49
It was a game saving missed tackle, the biggest end of the season awards for the Detroit Lines.
00:07:58
This guy, this guy? Well, Atlanta.
00:08:02
They're often There's nothing wrong with the offense.
00:08:04
Everybody knows this.
00:08:05
I mean, you go back and look at the Cowboys game, right? I mean, it was too great.
00:08:09
Offensive vs to God awful defense's.
00:08:12
And it literally came down to the last play of the game.
00:08:16
And, uh, what, three weeks ago they played, uh, Carolina, you know, before and that was only a touchdown game.
00:08:25
And that was without Julio Jones and then against the Bears.
00:08:29
If I remember correctly, that that was, you know, came down to the last drivers.
00:08:33
Well, this is an Atlanta team that's in games, but it's always right at the last second.
00:08:40
Losing it here, so I'm gonna is the only problem.
00:08:43
Is that good? Well, I'm gonna throw scenario at you, Lawrence.
00:08:46
Take coaching out of the equation.
00:08:49
Does the Peyton man he led team? Does Todd Gurley find his way into the end zone? How prepared does Peyton have Todd Gurley in that huddle? Todd, no matter what, you do not go in that end zone and you command it from your players.
00:09:05
Does does the Patriots running If Eli is the quarterback, and I know that Bradshaw fell in the end zone.
00:09:12
But if you watch that play, he got a pretty good shove from fence Will Fork on his way.
00:09:16
Otherwise, he probably could have slowed himself down.
00:09:19
You know that's the difference.
00:09:21
You're either a winner or you're not.
00:09:22
I think about Matt Ryan taking the sack in the Super Bowl to put his team out of field goal range.
00:09:28
I mean, game clinching field goal range after making a huge chuck to Julio Jones.
00:09:33
It's a team that could make explosive place and then collapses it Z not even under pressure.
00:09:39
You see them collapse when they're blowing teams out.
00:09:41
Its they have it, the leadership in the culture there.
00:09:45
And I This thing.
00:09:46
Matt Ryan hasn't had the mentor ship from the senior coaching staff there to prepare him to be a guy to command a Todd Gurley, not to go into the end zone or to win by a touchdown and not lose by a touchdown or a kicking team to know.
00:10:01
Hey, as soon as the you know other teams kick kicks the ball, jump on it.
00:10:06
But you know what? And you sit there, Adam and you say, Well, as a professional coach, you should have.
00:10:12
That's a team not prepared.
00:10:14
I played football since I was a kid, and I've known the onside kick rule since I was a kid.
00:10:19
These air professional football players, I'm looking going.
00:10:22
Not any eight of you knew the rule.
00:10:24
Not one of you knew the rule of jump on the football.
00:10:27
You know, like it's and you're right there because to your point about Matt Ryan, right, that's when you have not.
00:10:33
You know, that's when you have your running back by and by the way, a veteran running back in Todd Gurley.
00:10:36
Not his first time out there on the field, either.
00:10:38
You know, by the facemask at all costs, you do not get into the end zone here, right? And just that authoritative command of your huddle.
00:10:46
Same thing.
00:10:47
There should be some player there on the on side kick in the Dallas game that jumps on the bowl and then immediately gets up after and is cursing out every one of his teammates for being like, Hey, why did I have to get four spots over here to grab this thing while all of you were dancing around it, right? Like we need to be on the same page.
00:11:01
And you do think about that in different teams.
00:11:04
Some guys are quiet leaders.
00:11:05
They're not as vocal in the locker rooms, but who are the vocal leaders on the Atlanta Falcons team who is leading this team in the locker room, who's leading them on the field and to your point.
00:11:14
It has obviously been Matt Ryan.
00:11:15
They're under center and it is not necessarily that type of personality that it's not a permeate of indifference, but it's just, Hey, if we don't visually see the attention to detail.
00:11:25
You mentioned Eli.
00:11:26
He's a great example of a guy was not vocal, not a rah rah guy.
00:11:30
But every teammate always said he was always in the film room, always going over things right, always working with receivers on the side.
00:11:36
So the attention to detail was evident to everybody else and that can ramp up your focus.
00:11:40
The the only thing that I'll throw out to you, Lawrence as well.
00:11:42
When you mentioned about in these games, here's my problem when you go back and look at a couple of the key ones said the offense is great.
00:11:47
They lost to Carolina, 23 16.
00:11:49
They lost a Green Bay 32 16.
00:11:51
You know you can say that you're in games.
00:11:53
The 42 39 lost to Dallas.
00:11:55
Great. You did everything you were supposed to there.
00:11:57
But, you know, if you're an explosive offense, you just lost to Detroit by one point on a bad play, etcetera, etcetera.
00:12:03
You should put up more than 22 against a terrible Detroit defense, so that's three games right there that they're putting up in and around or under 20 points.
00:12:12
If you're an explosive offense, regardless of what the defense does, you have to come out every week and give me 24 to 31 points consistently.
00:12:19
And then and then you can continue to hang your hat on.
00:12:21
This is a bad defense.
00:12:22
We have my only my only come back for that is that Julio has been hurt for a while and that that is something that, uh, Matt Ryan has really hung his hat on.
00:12:33
You know, you know what I'm saying? Uh, when Julio is in the game, the dynamic of this whole offense is completely different.
00:12:42
Completely different.
00:12:43
You could see Julio, you could throw the football to Julio on a screen pass and be like, Well, he's gonna take that to the end zone.
00:12:50
You know, we've seen that last year.
00:12:52
If we remember correctly in a exciting play, that brings me up to If Julio is traded, what teams would be out there right now? Going calling up? You know, the Atlanta Falcons saying, Hey, is Julio on the block? What would you want for him? Uh, well, I mean, what's Cleveland salary cap at? They just lost Odell Beckham Jr for the year.
00:13:19
All right, said it said.
00:13:20
It's a large before we got on was like here we Oh yeah, I mean, that's the I mean, you're getting up.
00:13:25
And then when? When? When the seasons finished and Odell Beckham's healed, you trade him to somebody else.
00:13:32
Because not only do you have a better version of Odell Beckham Jr.
00:13:35
You've got a guy who's not that quote unquote headcase.
00:13:38
And you know an O b.
00:13:40
J can finally unite with Bill Belichick in New England the way they've been wanting for years.
00:13:44
So it's, I think, you know, that would to me, they'd be the first.
00:13:47
But you know, Lawrence, here's my problem with Julio has been hurt and granted.
00:13:52
I know that Baker has some more weapons, but when Odell Beckham Jr went down last week, that almost elevated Baker. Mayfield.
00:14:01
You know, I mean, you almost saw an elevation of play from Jarvis Landry.
00:14:05
Um, I come from the land of next man up.
00:14:08
You know, Gronkowski goes down.
00:14:10
Martellus Bennett, who was a disaster everywhere else, becomes a 600 yard tight end and, you know, becomes the main mainstay of the Super Bowl.
00:14:18
Uh, guys like Danny Amendola, Step, step up when Julian Edelman goes down and becomes a mainstay on the team.
00:14:25
It's to me.
00:14:26
It's That's where I look at a team like Atlanta and say, OK, Matt Ryan, you've been in the league long enough.
00:14:31
You should Yes, Julio Jones is a game changer the same way DeAndre Hopkins is a game changer.
00:14:38
But again, Atlanta has fallen into that same trap that the Shawn Watson did.
00:14:42
And then I'm afraid now that my my young fellow that I'm in love with Kyler Murray has fallen into where your offense is so one dimensional through one player.
00:14:52
When they're not there, you don't know how to respond.
00:14:54
We're seeing it in Houston, the whole that DeAndre Hopkins left, because when you look at Emergency Brake, the I'll pick it up here in Case Radius have been here to go ahead and and address something he mentioned he so he mentions about the Cleveland Browns.
00:15:11
And I was starting to this with you before we started Lawrence around the difference between and Odell Beckham Jr versus Julio Jones, and I think Hopkins, now Hopkins is an elite one.
00:15:21
True number one wide receiver, but again, smaller receiver now he can run all the rats and make all the plays.
00:15:26
But Julio Jones is that big body, red zone, traditional kind of old school kind of number one wide receiver.
00:15:34
I think it could benefit in Cleveland with Baker Mayfield, especially when you're that close to being able to maybe make a run there in that division.
00:15:41
I'll also throw out.
00:15:42
So a couple other teams, I'd be curious how everybody feels about it.
00:15:44
Um, they just signed a 32 year old Dez Bryant to the practice squad.
00:15:48
If I'm the Baltimore Ravens, I really like the idea of bringing in that type of security blanket.
00:15:53
As Ray gets his, uh, his head's setback on I'll.
00:15:56
I'll just reiterate that Julio Jones is that red zone kind of wide receiver, right? So that's a little bit different dynamic than, say in Odell Beckham Jr and your point about Baker and seeing him play better without a true number one means you to spread the ball around, go through your route trees, etcetera.
00:16:10
So Baltimore is kind of an outlier one, But I'll tell you a sleeper, one that I think would actually be really exciting just put their new rookie quarterback under center.
00:16:19
They have a decent number, one who has some of his own injury concerns as well.
00:16:23
We've seen the team that's leading this division actually struggle a little bit over last couple of weeks.
00:16:28
Miami Dolphins.
00:16:30
I think if you wanna be in on this season and a chance to maybe jump up and and so and shock the Buffalo Bills who feel like they're in control.
00:16:38
There you go. Get yourself a Julio Jones.
00:16:40
You have Gaskins in the backfield who's emerged this year.
00:16:43
You also have Parker already like that's a really not and big receivers.
00:16:47
They're they're good, complimentary tight ends as well.
00:16:49
That's a really dynamic cast that you could put together their depending on what the cost is, and you could get yourself over the hump and for certain teams.
00:16:56
So unlike, say, Baltimore, who's been in the mix and they know they're going, they feel like they're going to the playoffs, etcetera.
00:17:00
It's not as as imminent because you're a really good team and you've been established for a while.
00:17:05
But for Miami, you know, this is a jump up here.
00:17:07
For them, there's a chance to shock people after having a little bit of a better back end season last year.
00:17:12
Now, all of a sudden you can throw yourself right into the conversation.
00:17:14
So win a division, something you have not been a part of since Bill Belichick took over in New England.
00:17:20
You know, they wanted in 2000 and eight when Tom Brady was injured for the season.
00:17:25
There you go.
00:17:26
So it's it's only it's on Lee been over a decade since Miami was over to be competitive and again with a young now.
00:17:32
Now, Reyes Point is valid about if you bring in that true number, one would to a get tunnel vision for it, I think.
00:17:38
And it's so funny because Kyler Murray in Arizona you would.
00:17:41
You would think you would almost assume that teams like that with quarterbacks like that are less inclined to suffer from it because their mobile so because they get out on the edge and then they run, they pick up yardage.
00:17:52
But if Kyler Murray is the sample size, what you do end up seeing is I get on the edge, Aiken scramble.
00:17:57
I can run and I'll make sure I look for Hopkins.
00:18:00
I'll always make sure I look to see what Hopkins is up to you, and I'll kind of forego some of the other opportunities.
00:18:05
We have seen Christian Kirk bubble up there a bit there now for them the last couple of weeks as well.
00:18:08
So you're starting to open it up.
00:18:10
There is an adjustment period, but that would be exciting for May.
00:18:12
Like, I'd like to see Julio Jones go somewhere with a team that you could really feel the impact this year going China from not making it to possibly get into the playoffs and winning a division.
00:18:22
Look, I'm gonna throw out that the Baltimore Ravens didn't need Dez Bryant.
00:18:27
They need a number one receiver.
00:18:29
Um, they're not gonna win.
00:18:31
I'm sorry, Joe.
00:18:32
I know if you're watching, I apologize.
00:18:34
They're not.
00:18:35
They're gonna go one and done again in the playoff.
00:18:37
Their 31st in the NFL in passing, 31st on on what are they? A six and one team of five and one team.
00:18:46
It's at some point that's going to come back and bite you in the ass.
00:18:50
If you're the Baltimore Ravens, you can't just have Lamar Jackson run the football all the time.
00:18:55
It's starting to bite the Patriots in the ass because the talent isn't there.
00:19:00
Eventually, it's going to start to bite.
00:19:01
Baltimore and I would be looking at a Julio Jones where Lamarque and throw up those duck balls in Julio Jones can catch them.
00:19:09
You know what I mean? Um, Azaz, as Lamar is learning to be a passing quarterback because Baltimore hasn't let him be one his entire career.
00:19:18
And now they're trying toe, you know, do that now.
00:19:21
So I'm concerned about that.
00:19:22
But I agree with I don't like Julio in Miami, to be honest with, you know, as a football perspective as a Patriots fan, but as a football perspective because of two.
00:19:31
Ah, I would have liked it better with Ryan Fitzpatrick, who would know how to use a number one superstar like Julio Jones.
00:19:39
I do think to Aiken get tunnel vision.
00:19:43
I think that to it.
00:19:44
Could I think a guy like Julio Jones could actually stunt his growth.
00:19:49
I'm already not a fan of them playing him.
00:19:51
I wanted him to sit the whole season and play Fitzpatrick and the biggest reason I'd be afraid of bringing in Julio Jones.
00:19:59
And now I don't think things are good in that locker room in Miami right now.
00:20:04
There's a lot of veterans were not happy about the quarterback change, including Fitzpatrick himself.
00:20:11
Well, what what happened there? Because by all indications, Fitzpatrick is always known right as I bounced around.
00:20:16
I'm usually a placeholder.
00:20:18
So you were saying you saw when, When, to a got in late for that sample.
00:20:21
Nobody was cheering more for him than Fitzpatrick.
00:20:24
But it also seems to be that Fitzpatrick was cheering really hard because he didn't anticipate it being anything that was going to impact his ability to hold on to that starting job.
00:20:32
So when you talk about veterans in that locker room feeling like, Hey, we're playing well with this guy, you now are you.
00:20:39
You may think you could still win some games, but all the veterans were going to say So you're telling us that we're throwing this season away? That's what you're telling us right now because we were competitive with Ryan Fitzpatrick under center.
00:20:49
Yeah.
00:20:50
I mean your your two games out of I mean, if I'm in Miami fan, I'm sure in hard for the Patriots this week to get up to three wins.
00:20:57
Because if you win, that means you're going up now 24 and three.
00:21:01
You're one game behind Buffalo and you play Buffalo hard.
00:21:05
I think Miami has the confidence to go in and beat Buffalo, but Fitzpatrick played Buffalo hard.
00:21:11
You know what I mean? What's gonna happen now? Um, just for for giggles when I look at Miami schedule now, of course, it's softer because they came second last last year.
00:21:21
But you gotta play now again.
00:21:25
The Patriots pass defense, which is 11th in the NFL.
00:21:28
Assuming that they don't clear house, you have to play buffaloes defense.
00:21:33
You have to play.
00:21:35
Okay, well, see how they gotta play Arizona.
00:21:38
You gotta play L A.
00:21:40
You can even Seattle, though, by the way, we I I still I'm of the mind that that's a defense.
00:21:45
That that does incrementally get better as the year goes along doesn't mean they're not.
00:21:48
They're not Seattle, but they're still gonna be, You know, they can do things against a young quarterback if you have to, are there? Yeah, and can to a stay pace for pace with Russell Wilson, because that's how you beat the Seattle Seahawks is.
00:21:59
You go pace for pace with the Seahawks.
00:22:00
They got to play Kansas City, who's a defense not to sleep on.
00:22:04
They gotta play Denver.
00:22:05
I mean, there's a lot of teams that they have to play that can really disrupt a young quarterback.
00:22:11
And I agree with you.
00:22:12
I think the veterans, we're looking at that going, You're not making us better.
00:22:15
You know what I mean? You're making a decision that's actually making us worse.
00:22:18
Now.
00:22:19
He could come and be great in Fitzpatrick.
00:22:21
You know, they had a bye e mean it could have happened better than on a bye week toe like, Let's air this out, Let's, you know, get behind.
00:22:27
And I don't think it's Patrick's, the kind of guy who will go out of his way to make two of miserable.
00:22:31
I mean, he knows it's not his fault.
00:22:32
He's not looking at the young kids, saying, Well, you should have shut it down.
00:22:35
But I do think that there might be guys like Kyle Van Noy and some other guys who might be who came from all playing with veteran quarterbacks.
00:22:44
You what I mean it was their locker room, and they all like Fitzpatrick, and they might be a little bit upset that now they got to go out with the kid.
00:22:51
I'm just I don't know.
00:22:52
I'm just from what I've heard that the veteran fans are a lot more excited in the locker room.
00:22:57
Well, in a situation like this, when you know Fitzpatrick, he was benched.
00:23:01
He had two interceptions that game or three.
00:23:03
Something like that.
00:23:04
But a couple of his fault, Hey, still played admirable outside of that, and before that, he was playing fantastic.
00:23:11
And if to A comes out and has a God awful game and you have to pull him, what does that do to a young quarterback who has been held back the first seven weeks? Uh, toe, look at and then you end up half of Poland because he's bad.
00:23:25
What does that end up doing to his psyche? It's Josh Rosen.
00:23:28
Yeah, well, and then the flip on the flip side of his, too.
00:23:32
By the way, with Fitzpatrick under center, you play out the rest of the schedule.
00:23:35
Win, lose draw.
00:23:36
It's okay.
00:23:37
It's all it's all relative to.
00:23:38
We have fits, Pat Patrick, a journeyman quarterback.
00:23:41
If you put into it, there's the psyche part for him.
00:23:43
And then there's also just the hey, is he starting his career? And after we were competitive early on an O and six start to start the season, right, like it's a final record for ends up being five and 11 or something like it still will be indicative of Okay, So with a veteran quarterback, this team is pretty competitive with a young rookie were not so much now going into your number.
00:24:04
Two things change.
00:24:05
But then again, the unfortunate thing from Miami perspective is now.
00:24:08
You start to look at some of those veteran guys who you need to move out of this locker room now who do you have to replace them with? And all of a sudden you end up with a young, exciting quarterback and you still are trying to figure out all these pieces around them.
00:24:19
So I mean, Miami's done a really nice job.
00:24:20
The last couple of years kind of re establish themselves as being a respectable team in the league.
00:24:25
I just hope that they don't undo that so quickly because you are eager to get to it and, um, real quick, the rich get richer.
00:24:34
Kansas City puts a line out in the water to get Julio Jones onto onto that roster.
00:24:41
Right now, I know how exciting their receivers are.
00:24:43
I know Tyreek Hill is a burner, but just think about just just having Tyree kill Kelsey and then Julio Jones and and a quarterback in the homes, who on Lee is going to throw to the to the open option consistently like there's a world where he has now.
00:24:58
He has two more years.
00:24:59
Julio Jones, but it's not a crazy number.
00:25:02
They could actually manage that from a cap standpoint.
00:25:05
And have Julio Jones be there and jettison Sammy Watkins.
00:25:08
Jam it, you know, jettison even a young hardman potentially.
00:25:11
And do that thing that they've done with all these contracts here in this past offseason.
00:25:15
Set up toe win multiple championships right now in this window and worry about everything else in 34 years.
00:25:21
Yeah, don't move out in Kansas City, though.
00:25:24
I don't know if I'd want to get rid of McColl Hardman.
00:25:27
I'm not saying you don't have.
00:25:28
You don't have to get rid of Hardman.
00:25:29
You easily move on from Sammy Watkins, though you know Hardman Young, he's anybody could be costs you nothing.
00:25:36
So he's on this roster no matter what.
00:25:38
And if any, you're talking about literally walking out of the field, in the homes, going Guess who literally is standing wide open 85% of the place.
00:25:45
Hardman, Because he is the last thing that the defense is concerned about.
00:25:48
And he gets toe walk his way out there on top of having left Bell in there.
00:25:51
Now, on top of having you know Edwards Hilaire in the backfield like so you just, you know, just surround these news with weapons.
00:25:57
With the defense, unlike what we've seen in Atlanta, right, you still you have a solid defense in Kansas City as of right now, so you can go out there and you feel like, Hey, why don't you go ahead and give us the championship right now? This year, we've been a little bit up and down and inconsistent on offense.
00:26:10
We'll take a championship this year and then we'll run it back next year, and we'll worry about those pieces that have to shuffle in the background.
00:26:15
My I just don't know how they could do it. Financial.
00:26:17
You can't move Sammy Watkins.
00:26:18
He's a dead cap of 15 million.
00:26:21
So they only have with bringing in Libyan Bell.
00:26:24
I think there are, like, $4 million now in salary cap.
00:26:28
That's the only that I'm trying to look here.
00:26:32
You, you. Hartmann's 1.9.
00:26:35
So you're and you're actually losing money on that because right now is captain is one point, right? Um, no, I don't think the only one.
00:26:44
No, they can't really pull it off unless they Unless they Unless they were effectively swapping receivers in that process, right? Yes, you'd have to move out, Sammy walk into, say, you send Sammy Watkins back to Atlanta, you take Julio Jones and you also give a pick, right? You also to make it worthwhile for Atlanta.
00:27:02
But that's how you would probably do it right? You dumped that money and you bring in Julio Jones and that dynamic Julio Jones in that receiving corps over Sammy Watkins changes them to a whole other level beyond what they've already been at.
00:27:12
Well, it's something that Atlanta could do is be like, Hey, this team wants you were willing to trade you to go to a team that has a chance to win a Super Bowl now.
00:27:24
But we need to re negotiate your contract so that we're eating all of your cap and the other team is fine.
00:27:30
Would you be willing to do that? And that's something that a player, it's happened before.
00:27:34
You know, it happened last year, so it's situations like that can be worked around as long as the players willing to do it.
00:27:43
It can.
00:27:44
Now, let me ask you, since we're on the subject, If you're Arthur Blank right, that's the the owner's name in Atlanta.
00:27:49
Eso Atlanta is one in six right now, right? They're currently the sixth overall pick, the sixth overall pick at one and six.
00:28:01
And if the Vikings lose their next game, they dropped down the seventh because they got the head the head on on Minnesota.
00:28:10
A win tonight almost takes you out of the top five of the top five running.
00:28:16
You know, it's someone asked me their day.
00:28:18
Can the Patriots tank for Trevor Lawrence? I said, I think there anyone to many games with two.
00:28:22
You know what I mean? Like, I really think they've already won too many games to be in that conversation.
00:28:26
I'm cheering for the Giants to stay in second because they have a quarterback on.
00:28:31
Either they give the Patriots Daniel Jones and they work with him or they given the second pick.
00:28:35
That's my whole, you know.
00:28:37
And everybody in New York is A is a patriot now, so they all work together, right? You're rooting for New York to get the 1st and 2nd pick of the NFL draft next year.
00:28:48
Just the second pick.
00:28:49
Just Yeah, yeah, both. New York.
00:28:52
I'm cheering for New York to be 1st and 2nd go in New York, and I mean, listen and then you talk about Miami.
00:28:58
I mean, you end up with the rich getting richer.
00:28:59
The Houston is the fourth overall pick right now.
00:29:01
That's Miami's pick.
00:29:03
That's Miami's pick like this is why I don't get why they're starting to of this year.
00:29:11
You know what I mean? Because you you have one more draft to just load up and build a brand new rookie culture with young guys with a second year quarterback who sat behind.
00:29:20
Not a great quarterback, but a steady veteran quarterback in the NFL.
00:29:25
Anyways, I just want to throw that out.
00:29:26
So yes, so it's It's weird.
00:29:28
So it's, uh I mean, Atlanta is in a very, very just bad position right now.
00:29:35
I wanted to go back toe one other team that I think would be phenomenal if they could get Julio Jones.
00:29:43
Imagine San Francisco 40 Niners with Julio.
00:29:48
They've had so many injuries.
00:29:50
They got speed at wide receiver, but not a true number one.
00:29:53
They've got a running game that is almost impossible to stop.
00:29:58
They've got a quarterback who likes to overthrow good luck overthrowing Julio on a defense that get that can get at it right now.
00:30:07
I think if if if they got Julio Jones on that team, they have a furious shot at actually coming back in that division and making a run in the playoffs.
00:30:18
Yeah, so they have $649,000 in the hole space in the hole and the hole there over cap right now.
00:30:24
Yeah, and that's and that's unfortunately the restrictions for a lot of these teams, right? Teams that are in the best position to maybe make a move for Julio Jones or any big name person to bring and help bolster their roster are, of course, the teams.
00:30:34
The more competitive you are typically means you have a bit of a higher salary, you know, salary across your roster, so it's hard to finagle it.
00:30:40
But they know that makes a ton of sense, though.
00:30:42
Lawrence, obviously, you know, bringing in a legit guy when you've had even the Debo Samuels and you because that looked nice this year for them.
00:30:49
But they're those little quick, short gim**** guy, and they're not bad.
00:30:54
But it's not bad to have those guys, but again.
00:30:56
Then, when you put a big physical presence on the outside, that's what helps open up those opportunities.
00:31:00
And then and then don't forget you got Kittel right up the middle, you know? So I mean, that's just that would make that offense Skerry.
00:31:07
And who cares if it's 700 K in the hole when they create the the roster space from the 55 that they that they're allowed to have this year when they drop a guy that will probably free up that put them even when they bring him in? All they got to do is make sure.
00:31:24
Like I said earlier, that Julio ends up renegotiating his contract before the trade.
00:31:28
That's what I have to be.
00:31:29
This would have to be post deadline then.
00:31:31
But see, here's my issue.
00:31:33
This is what you get.
00:31:34
And I'm sorry.
00:31:35
This is what you get for spending $12.
00:31:36
5 million on offensive lineman, you know, And again, maybe because I'm from the Patriots.
00:31:42
You know, I'm a Patriots fan where we've just were really for the most part.
00:31:46
We're really good at drafting O linemen in the fifth round and then just moving on.
00:31:51
But I just I cannot pay that kind of money for an offensive lineman.
00:31:55
When you got to miss out on Julio Jones because you have Trent Williams, you know what I mean? Like, it's just it's It's such a tough pill to swallow is your second highest paid player on the team.
00:32:04
I don't know, because I it depends upon the players.
00:32:07
See, I will have no problem at all, and and next year, the year after, when the Colts extend Nelson and get him 16 to 20? Yeah, but But I think so, because even the Giants example right where they end up paying a former patriot and soldier.
00:32:23
Right now, it doesn't pan out the way you think it's going to.
00:32:26
But even at that price, like at the time, they said, We're over paying for this because it's what the market has available for us and we need it.
00:32:32
But I think maybe to raise point, it's like system and technique.
00:32:36
You can teach that to a lot of mid round offensive lineman.
00:32:40
So and by the way, the reason why it always struck me as odd for the Giants was the Super Bowl.
00:32:44
Runs were built on offensive lines that were guys that we got anywhere from the second to the fifth round and just merge them together.
00:32:51
They took a few years to gel, and then all of a sudden you had a very, uh, sorry, an offensive line with continuity, with understanding of one another, right.
00:32:59
They worked together brilliantly, and you never had to over pay any of them.
00:33:02
So when you make that move like the Giants did was solder, it means you don't get to get an edge rusher in free agency.
00:33:08
It means you don't get to maybe fill to mid level, offensive lineman like center and another guard position.
00:33:13
So you're always taking something off the table for yourself when you overspend in a particular area.
00:33:18
And that's the issue now, right now.
00:33:20
San Francisco, you can.
00:33:22
Now you can go in and look at the stats and say, Hey, this offensive lineman represents X for us, and I can probably find you guys that are making 40% of his salary.
00:33:30
And the margin of difference is not nearly that significant where you couldn't get by on it, whereas Julio Jones would represent a very significant difference in what your weapons are on the outside.
00:33:40
Well, two years ago in 2018 Joe Tooni and Shaq Mason sat at number one and number two is ranked guards in the league.
00:33:48
We have the best large guard tandem in the NFL, and they had a combined salary of 5.
00:33:53
5 million a combined salary, and they're probably both gonna get traded away because we could have got this Michael Manu, who they picked up, I think is an undrafted free agent who's balling out right and look, you're you're talking about the Giants.
00:34:08
What are the Super Bowl runs parcels.
00:34:10
Coughlin.
00:34:11
You know what I mean? And now and then you look at and then Belichick in New England.
00:34:16
All parcels, guys, right, Either parcels or parcel guys.
00:34:18
They know how to use the offensive linemen.
00:34:21
And the New York of all teams should know better than to over pay for an offensive lineman, especially one from the Patriots, who grew up in a Patriot system.
00:34:28
Because I dare you two point me toe one offensive lineman that someone has overpaid from the Patriots that's panned out New England and not on this tangent, but I fully expected with Joe Judge now there, I fully expect you to see this roster start to change its mentality and how it approaches filling these holes across the roster because, to your point, you can't you need tohave, the capital available to go make the big the big move for the big player when you need it.
00:34:55
When you feel like everything else is clicking right before the trade deadline, we go and grab Julio Jones because he is the last missing piece, not, oh, shoot.
00:35:02
We locked ourselves into all these other smaller options and you know It's hard.
00:35:06
I know in the trenches is so important, so effective.
00:35:09
But any time you lock in significant money, toe any one position on a roster, you always have to look at.
00:35:14
What's the impact everywhere else, where your holes and Atlanta is the perfect example of that.
00:35:18
You locked in a ton of money to Julio Jones.
00:35:19
You locked in a ton of money to Matt Ryan.
00:35:21
You locked in a ton of money.
00:35:22
The offense and your defense is playing like garbage, and you don't have the ability to get, you know, to make effective moves to get that side of the ball better.
00:35:29
Which, by the way, they could even try to do that.
00:35:31
Trade away Julio Jones.
00:35:32
Not just for draft picks traded for pieces, for young, controllable defensive pieces that you think can come in and be effective on that side of the ball for you.
00:35:40
So you get a leg up going in the off season and I want to Before I get a bunch of big, fat guys mad at me.
00:35:47
I'm on a fence.
00:35:48
I was an offensive lineman to I'm a left guard.
00:35:50
I have no disrespect for the offensive line.
00:35:53
I know how hard we work.
00:35:55
I was an undersized left guard, but I was a big guy.
00:35:57
In fact, I like the rest of you that we called muscle right, but it's Ah, it's, I get it.
00:36:02
But I just to me I would never pay for an offensive lineman when, like, to me, that's the position on I know this sounds awful.
00:36:09
That's a dime a dozen.
00:36:10
You know what I mean? I think that you can find those guys in the 4th and 5th rounds I can.
00:36:14
I mean, two of the Patriots top offensive linemen are undrafted free agents right now. E.
00:36:19
I think a lot of that has to do with how well you scout offensive linemen.
00:36:24
And then, of course, the coaching of being able to coach him up Pinto into doing that.
00:36:28
Not every team has that type of personnel on their team that can do that specific thing.
00:36:35
So you have to go out.
00:36:36
It's just like, um, some of the issues with New England.
00:36:42
They have they, they have the staff to find and coach up offensive lineman.
00:36:48
But there's an argument to be said that they cannot find and or coach up wide receivers.
00:36:54
E. I think they can coach up wide receiver.
00:36:56
That is not how to draft a wide receiver.
00:36:58
I mean, I mean, while Edelman was drafted, but, I mean, I think you know, they did okay with Wes Welker and Randy Moss and Amendola and Chris Hogan.
00:37:06
Those guys all put up big numbers in New England.
00:37:09
Um, they know how toe sign veterans three.
00:37:12
Only really good receiver we ever had was Malcolm Mitchell only played one year for us and then his knee gave out on you.
00:37:17
Need to retire from football, you know s Oh, sorry, I'm sorry.
00:37:22
Dion Branch was drafted by Belichick.
00:37:24
He's a Super Bowl MVP.
00:37:25
I got to give him his his story.
00:37:27
Dion.
00:37:28
I think the other side of it is to is like Is it something things like again the Giants? Great example.
00:37:32
You drafted Andrew Thomas high in the draft.
00:37:34
Looks like he's really struggling.
00:37:35
I think will be okay.
00:37:36
But he's struggling mightily.
00:37:37
The guy who took in the third round, Matt Peart, that everyone said he's gonna get a full year to not play and understand and learn.
00:37:42
He's come in and looks like he pretty much gets it like it is also the hit and miss nature of the NFL and just saying like, Listen, all these things are the proverbial roll of the dice, and then when you have the right coaching in place, you're going to get the best version of that player.
00:37:57
But that's what becomes so imbalanced on a team to team draft to draft kind of basis is you know how many how many Q B bus everyone was talking about? Like, Who do you miss on who didn't see Lamar Jackson being what he turned out to be? The Ryan Leaf, unfortunately, always ends up being the the poster boy for Russ.
00:38:13
That's what back Prescott.
00:38:15
We just had this conversation on our my show on DPR.
00:38:18
Contrary the other night was how many of the top quarterbacks in the league right now weren't first overall picks.
00:38:24
You what? I mean, like Mahomes attend, right, uh was a dac of fourth round or right.
00:38:30
I wasn't Russell Russell was a lot of a third or third round, third round.
00:38:35
He was a threat.
00:38:36
And by the way, by the way, the difference is us.
00:38:40
So you have guys that come in with a natural skill set, and then they're gonna get better.
00:38:43
You have guys that come with a natural skill set and are overconfident and our dedicated toe working.
00:38:48
So they just slowly deteriorated.
00:38:49
And that that's the Ryan Leaf syndrome or JaMarcus Russell is another, more, much more recent one. Johnny.
00:38:55
Exactly.
00:38:56
They think they're already ready to go and do this thing.
00:38:57
They're not dedicated to the process.
00:38:58
Look at guys like the Manning brothers like, If you think Peyton Manning is one of the most naturally gifted athletes in the sport of football, he's not.
00:39:07
But his mind and his dedication to being the best version of himself, that's what gets you over the hump.
00:39:13
And then guys like later round picks like Russell Wilson.
00:39:15
Okay, you are probably more naturally gifted.
00:39:19
Well, you haven't quite refined yourself.
00:39:20
If you come into the NFL, you're willing to hit the ground running.
00:39:22
I'm gonna get better, improve dedication, right, and that's true of anything.
00:39:25
Any job in the world.
00:39:26
You could get a job somewhere and say, Hey, I got it And watch yourself slowly, not learn anything new or get better at it or you're interested.
00:39:33
You wanna get better.
00:39:34
The process and coaching staff, Mentor ship All those things around.
00:39:38
Its stability For Russell Wilson.
00:39:39
Underpay Carol Stability for Tom Brady under Bill Belichick and his time there, you know these are important tenants to toe.
00:39:46
Having success is a young quarterback.
00:39:47
The worst thing you can Dio is go through what you're seeing.
00:39:50
Sam, Donald, go through.
00:39:51
Go through what you've seen.
00:39:52
Maybe possibly for Daniel Jones.
00:39:54
Hopefully, that's corrected turnover, new systems, new coaches that.
00:39:57
That's how you throw guys off instead of just being able to hone in on what their talents are and how you advance their skill sets.
00:40:02
Now I got a question for you guys.
00:40:04
Baker Mayfield.
00:40:06
He's an enigma.
00:40:07
He is because I know I look at Baker Mayfield, and I think, OK, he's He had a bit of an attitude last season, but I've always kind of liked Baker's Mayfield's attitude.
00:40:21
It's been Maura, that chip on my shoulder.
00:40:23
You know what I mean? Kind of attitude, but to me, he was never arrogant.
00:40:27
He was just a ****.
00:40:29
I'll just use the word, you know? I mean, it was a different kind of attitude.
00:40:32
More professional Johnny Manziel, by the way, right? Yeah, but I felt like he was a guy who really wanted to learn how to play football.
00:40:40
And then Freddie Kitchens walked in the front door.
00:40:42
And do you think Baker like under Stefanski could start to turn in the baker Mayfield that we've been waiting for him to turn into? Yeah.
00:40:52
Really? Really, I do, because I think, Yeah, I understand.
00:40:55
Fancy, It looks like First of all, the Stefanski is going to be a good head coach.
00:40:59
But that's the first thing.
00:41:00
So it means that you're gonna get more than a year.
00:41:02
You're gonna get more than a year of your Baker Mayfield toe, learn an offense and then try to move forward with it.
00:41:07
I think regardless of the injury, I think that's the fancy.
00:41:11
I think the organization wants to move on from Odell Beckham Jr just because this again, some of the parts and what else does this team need? So I think they're going to start to really continue to develop out what they have with Chub and with Hunt, you still have Landry joke is coming back from injury, but they have that.
00:41:28
They have their other tight end there as well.
00:41:29
Like you have all these really nice complimentary offensive weapons.
00:41:32
I think if you give Baker Mayfield this year and then midway through next season, you're gonna really start to see what the best version of him is supposed to be.
00:41:41
And your point right? I think he's confident, he said, a little bit of a little bit of a D, you know, just a little bit there at times, but But I think I think it's because he actually he knows that he is good enough to be good in the league.
00:41:54
And some of that could just be the bleed over of frustration.
00:41:57
When you end up in the Cleveland Browns and you go, Oh, God, is this thing ever going to get figured out where I get a chance to be the best version of myself? Or am I gonna be coming up on my fifth year option hoping that they think I'm bad and they don't want me back and I can get the heck out of here? So hopefully understand fancy, they write it and then I think we'll see a pretty good version him and listen a game winning drive last week like that's important.
00:42:19
That does.
00:42:20
Show me something, your ability to go do that against a guy who looks like already has it figured out in Joe Burrow.
00:42:24
But being able to do that also sends a good message to the team that like, Hey, I am still locked in.
00:42:29
I'm not checking out on this team on a week to week basis, based on what I think you know what's happening around me.
00:42:35
Well, I mean, you can.
00:42:36
You can answer that question yourself.
00:42:38
We've got three guys here right now talking that eyes not at 100% on who their quarterback will be next year.
00:42:45
Would you take? Maker may feel that your starting quarterback next year, I would have.
00:42:48
But I've always been higher on Baker than a lot of other people have.
00:42:51
So that's why I like to put out the question I've said forever.
00:42:56
First of all, if so, Guan Barkley would have been a Brown, which for a while there it looked like it could have Baker.
00:43:04
Mayfield would have been a patriot because there was already a deal with the Giants.
00:43:07
You know, I mean, the deal was already made.
00:43:09
If they don't, if they take sick Juan, the deals made in the and and the Patriots take Baker Mayfield and we would have been set.
00:43:16
Um, I just feel bad for that kid because I like Johnny Manziel, too.
00:43:19
And I felt he was another kid who now Johnny Manziel is a little different.
00:43:23
He's got some severe mental health issues and he was never taken care of the way he should have been taken care of.
00:43:28
And, you know, when Brady, you know, when Brady was a quarterback, used to go to Drew Bledsoe's house for dinner with his wife and his kids, You know what I mean? Nobody was doing that for Manzella Baker.
00:43:38
And I think that when you look at and I think a guy like Odell, you know, I would think I would fit in a New England, get him in New England under a system that's a little bit more stable.
00:43:49
I mean, they almost got Josh Gordon all the way.
00:43:52
He did fall off, but almost got in there, and really, it was weed.
00:43:55
If it would have been this year, he wouldn't have fallen off.
00:43:58
He probably still be a patriot right now.
00:44:00
Um, it's just it's strange.
00:44:02
And I want to throw it something that you guys, I don't know if you saw this because you may not be paying attention, but I am.
00:44:06
I want to talk about the Patriots for a second, But you know how we talk about all you gotta mentor these kids and, you know, I mean bringing the leadership or the experience.
00:44:15
Devin Devin McCourty has been a team captain of the Patriots, I think for eight years now.
00:44:19
He was drafted in 2010 and he was doing an interview the day they said, How are you helping your team through this tough time? You know, being two and four and he says, I'm not, He says, we're turning to the guys on the team that have played for Unlu Zing seasons like my brother Jason.
00:44:35
And you know, Cam and and all these guys and I realized today that the veteran leadership of the New England Patriots have never the worst record they've ever had, is two and two.
00:44:47
They don't know how to dig themselves out of a two and four hole and they're now turning to guys like Lawrence Guy and Jason McCord, who played on the own 16 Browns, to talk about how to keep yourself mentally in a game.
00:45:01
Because I don't know if you guys saw me that San Francisco game last week.
00:45:04
But if you want to talk about a team who played without heart, there was no heart or effort on that field, and I'm not taking away.
00:45:09
San Francisco is a good team.
00:45:10
Don't not taking away their victory.
00:45:11
They probably would have won even if the Patriots had heart.
00:45:14
But you could just see deflation from the first quarter and on.
00:45:17
And it's really strange to me because I'm just so used to, you know, been there kind of guys, right playoff experience, the things I'm so used to talking about.
00:45:25
Have you ever heard of a team now having to turn around and talk to team? Talk to the players on their team that have been 11 year guys having to talk to the guys who have been on bad teams because they need to know how to get through this kind of experience? No, but it is interesting because, uh, that brings up that old adage.
00:45:43
You learn more from a loss than you do from a wind, right? And, uh, if you're on a team, which is weird, if you're on a team over 20 year period that has never went through a losing season and then to come into a situation like this, it would be devastating, especially if you don't have very many people on that team that's been in a situation like this.
00:46:06
You would need to find you.
00:46:09
So yeah, I get exactly what McCord He is saying that that that is, Ah, something that you you can't dig yourself out.
00:46:16
Most of these guys that are they can't even go.
00:46:20
Most of these guys can't even go to their college careers because generally, when you're drafted, your most of these guys come from winning college teams as well.
00:46:29
You know, first well and raised on a beautiful job of backing, backing himself into a compliment here.
00:46:34
Not most organizations don't have that type of longevity so that guys that have been around on the team for a decade or even 87 whatever this entire run, you don't you've never experienced it because the team has been so stable.
00:46:46
I I think you know it makes sense, because again, in Cam Newton, you have a guy that they literally came back from one of the worst starts of a season to get to the Super Bowl in his career in Carolina.
00:46:56
And the I think you know example, I guess, like in baseball, it's like the Yankees, right? You actually heard this after this playoff run this year when they were talking with Brian Cashman, where he said he was like, Our season starts in the playoffs because we know that's that's where we go.
00:47:11
We go to the playoffs every year and then we take it from there.
00:47:14
Now, ironically, then starting off the season in the playoffs has actually been, well, pretty bad seasons because they're not having success, you know? And I have wondered.
00:47:21
I remember hearing that and wondering, Hey, that's all fine and well that, you know, you guys get there, but what are you doing leading up to that? So that you are ready to go like your life depends on it.
00:47:32
So the idea of McCourty looking at his brother and saying, Listen, I'm not saying we're on autopilot during the regular season.
00:47:39
But in that division where it feels like even if we went nine and 71 year, we're probably still making the playoffs.
00:47:45
We get to kind of just coast through and also under Belichick.
00:47:48
You get to learn technique.
00:47:49
You get to learn the system, you get to adjust and see how the right pieces fit across that roster.
00:47:53
So there's a real benefit to that in terms of playoff runs.
00:47:57
But right now, yeah, you're It is still funny, though, and I will say on the giant side of things, Ah, guy who may not even be here next year for us. Dalvin Tomlinson.
00:48:05
He said he looked around this season and said, He's like, I can see that we're We are turning the corner here that we are getting better and a guy who's been there for some of the worst years, so he knows what the bad teams really look like.
00:48:18
Right from bad personnel and bad play bad execution.
00:48:21
He's sitting there and saying No, this looks better.
00:48:23
I know the wins and losses aren't, you know aren't adding up, but this looks like a team that actually is competent and you Onley know that from being a part of something bad, everything that most of the Patriots like, They go, Yeah, this looks about right.
00:48:34
You know, when When in games, guys.
00:48:35
Good, good, you know.
00:48:36
And now they're standing there going, Why isn't this working? I'm looking around.
00:48:39
I don't know what this is that I see.
00:48:41
Well, I did the math the other day, and since he's been drafted in 2010 according went to the Super Bowl for half his career.
00:48:48
That's good.
00:48:49
I like those odds that those are good odds. I like those odds.
00:48:53
Hey, lost.
00:48:54
He lost one of your team, by the way, as a sop****re on.
00:48:57
And what? And by the way, you're welcome.
00:48:59
What a great learning lesson for him.
00:49:01
That loss.
00:49:02
He couldn't apply for the regular season on Lee on the biggest stage.
00:49:04
It's funny because he said that, he said, I know how to mentor young guys after a big, devastating loss.
00:49:09
Like when we got lost of the Titans in the wild card game, I knew what the state of the young guys because I've lost Super Bowls, I lost age the championship games.
00:49:17
I've never been to him for like he says, consistency week to week during like we've never been.
00:49:23
We've never not been in first at this point of the season, like he's like we don't I don't know what to tell them like they're looking me going deaf what I do.
00:49:30
And he's like, Keep your heads up, you know? And this is a guy, too, and you know, this Patriots team. I mean, this is a guy.
00:49:36
I'm saying this lightly because life and football are not the same thing.
00:49:39
I never compare the two, but here's a guy.
00:49:42
His wife had a miscarriage a month before the season started, you know, and she was like in full trimester.
00:49:48
It wasn't even like an early one like that.
00:49:50
The room was painted type of thing, right? So he's mentally dealing with that.
00:49:54
Now.
00:49:55
He's mentally going through the worst season of his career.
00:49:57
You know, on a year that he might have been retired because he considered retiring after last season, I could only just imagine him sitting in that locker room with Cam Newton and not Tom Brady, you know, because Brady's been there ******* here to being two and four and just being, like, what? The f e nothing.
00:50:16
And that's what he goes.
00:50:17
Go ask somebody else.
00:50:18
You don't really said from the personal side of everything else is just like go talk to somebody else, man.
00:50:23
I'm and I'm not knocking.
00:50:25
That is in a leadership thing.
00:50:26
It's just like, dude, I don't know someone else in here.
00:50:28
Yeah, has a better idea on this, Actually.
00:50:31
Is leadership, right? Yeah.
00:50:33
Yeah, by the way, you're looking to other guys to step up.
00:50:35
Is a part of that too? Yeah. Exact.
00:50:37
That is very, very good leadership to admit.
00:50:40
Hey, I don't know this.
00:50:41
We need to go look at somebody who does know this and get some information from them on that Any any boss, any leader in any team or even your workplace.
00:50:53
Well, straight.
00:50:54
Tell you if you don't know something, admit it first.
00:50:56
That way we could find someone to teach you properly.
00:50:59
So it's the old the old Mark Cuban added, right, if you walk in the room and everybody looks like you fire the room like it's the last way we're gonna have success is a bunch of me looking back in being right now, Lawrence, I'm sure you're gonna move in this direction, but I just I know we're gonna come up against it.
00:51:16
I want to make sure we talked about a lot of quarterbacks and a lot of stats and stuff.
00:51:19
It's worth reminding that as you said it, Ray possible future quarterback there in Carolina, thinking maybe they had a bridge.
00:51:25
One.
00:51:26
Bridgewater.
00:51:27
Teddy has done a fantastic job.
00:51:29
Pun intended friends, UH, 72% completion percentage this year.
00:51:33
He's known for almost 2000 yards.
00:51:34
You know, he's got 300 yards a game, eight touchdowns to five interceptions.
00:51:38
So obviously a couple of mistakes there.
00:51:39
Maybe along the way between him and also seeing the production from Davis in the absence off.
00:51:46
In the absence of McCaffrey, you're really getting an opportunity to say, Oh, like this team at its core was better than I think we realized right better than what we thought they were going to be.
00:51:57
Coming into the season, we thought all the big, flashy pieces and losing can was gonna be devastating.
00:52:00
And then not having Christian McCaffrey's going to devastating.
00:52:02
No, it turns out they're doing a pretty nice job for themselves, and Bridgewater is having that small sample size from the Saints.
00:52:09
It turns out it's a legit like he is having a really solid year for himself, and this team is looking nice and stable.
00:52:14
I just wanna make sure we're giving the tip of the cap to a team that I think we thought was going to be fairly bottom of the rung coming into the year.
00:52:20
And I think that Lawrence has something to say about Teddy Bridgewater.
00:52:25
You eat that humble pie, sir.
00:52:27
Humble pie.
00:52:28
There's still bottom half in the booth.
00:52:31
Yeah, but come on now, though, Man, the numbers speak for themselves like you got a guy throwing for 300 yard game clean over 70% is doing quite well.
00:52:39
He's got a 99 quarter passer rating right now, which is which is very, very solid.
00:52:45
Anything, anywhere around 100 is good.
00:52:48
I mean, would you rather have him right now than Philip Rivers? He's sitting around that Prescott, Ben Roethlisberger, Kyle freaking Alan.
00:52:58
What? Really? That's That's a bit weird.
00:53:02
No, he's actually got one of the he's Wow, he's way down there, actually, in the quarterback ratings.
00:53:10
Yeah, I would rather Teddy Bridgewater than Cam Newton right now to be on.
00:53:15
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:18
If I was New England, I'd be I'd be wishing that I had done that.
00:53:21
Just a little bit of a little bit of consistency.
00:53:24
Problems that kind of afforded Teddy Bridgewater.
00:53:26
Even a 20 million, right? We needed kamut one.
00:53:29
Um, it's just It's the inconsistency, right? Teddy Bridgewater has been consistent.
00:53:33
Look, let's get into it.
00:53:34
My pick tonight is Carolina.
00:53:35
I got them winning 30 to 24.
00:53:38
They need to win this game to keep themselves in the conversation.
00:53:41
My man, Christian McCaffrey, the highest paid and should be highest paid running back in the NFL returns next week and then watch out for this Carolina team, man, because he's just gonna elevate them that much more.
00:53:53
Yeah, yeah, I believe in.
00:53:55
I believe in the Carolina Panthers.
00:53:57
A lot more than I thought I was going to.
00:53:58
When McCaffrey does come back now, all the sudden, you also know that Mike Davis is apparently pretty dynamic for you, too.
00:54:04
So now you get to keep these guys fresh.
00:54:06
You get the have maybe Davis in the backfield with McCaffrey splitting out wide on a handful of plays with a complement of Robby Anderson.
00:54:12
Yeah, listen, there not have been the most dynamic on paper yet.
00:54:16
They also haven't been 100% healthy.
00:54:18
When the Caffrey comes back, it's going to take this offense to a new level.
00:54:21
I know Lawrence is gonna go or maybe a different direction with this, but I I think it's a statement.
00:54:25
Game time for Carolina.
00:54:27
Keep yourselves in the thick of it.
00:54:28
And if you're Atlanta, this is the wheels.
00:54:29
Fall off kind of time.
00:54:30
You're holding out players for trades.
00:54:32
You've got guys on the back end of their careers kind of wondering what the heck happened here.
00:54:36
I could see a check out game.
00:54:38
I I like the line, you know.
00:54:39
31 31 21 is fine for me.
00:54:42
For Carolina to take this.
00:54:43
I just think that you got to franchise is really going in different directions right now.
00:54:47
I like Carolina for when they get Christian McCaffrey back when they get like Ray said.
00:54:55
What like like items says when they get crushed? Christian McCaffrey back.
00:54:59
He's something that just brings a completely different dynamic that most players in the NFL can't bring.
00:55:09
You know that he adds that extra dimension in the passing game.
00:55:14
He makes teams focus on him, ah, 100% in the running game and passing game.
00:55:19
He's one of those rare players where you have to keep a spy on him at all times.
00:55:25
But he's not in for this game.
00:55:27
And, like I said, Carolina offensively rushing and passing our bottom half of the NFL in rushing right now, I think they're like fifth worst in the NFL.
00:55:36
Atlanta housing their 11th, huh? Their 11th and passing yards.
00:55:46
They're averaging 263.
00:55:47
7, Carolina 20th in rushing.
00:55:57
Not what I saw.
00:55:58
That's why again.
00:56:00
And that's why it's nice.
00:56:01
And by the way, just throw out that extra one is.
00:56:02
You put him up there to learn just that, you know, Don't forget that a guy who has been inconsistent at times, Curtis Samuel is also finding his rhythm to with Teddy Bridgewater now.
00:56:10
So introduced Christian McCaffrey to that mix again.
00:56:13
Robby Anderson.
00:56:14
Samuel, Now you're opening things up even further for that offense.
00:56:17
Oh, yeah, definitely.
00:56:18
Now, my only issue is panthers or what? Uh, They're also bottom half in the league in pass defense, Right? If I remember correctly, hold on a No.
00:56:37
They're right about right smack in their tents.
00:56:40
Yeah, they're a good team.
00:56:45
I'm looking at past defense in yardage and I'm seeing them.
00:56:50
227.
00:56:51
1 per game.
00:56:53
10th, 118th in Russia.
00:56:55
What? No defensive starts per game.
00:57:02
Carolina 227.
00:57:03
1 10 passing yards.
00:57:07
I'm seeing 18th in the league.
00:57:08
That's Rush.
00:57:10
They're 18.
00:57:11
They're 18th in rushing yards.
00:57:14
I'm looking at passing yards.
00:57:16
Unless the site I'm on a screwed up, let me know.
00:57:19
Yeah, totally.
00:57:20
A total yards per game.
00:57:22
There are 2468 10 12 there at third, their 13th overall in total yards per game.
00:57:27
Given up in the rushing numbers are right there.
00:57:30
NFL dot com 1590 to 27 in Russia Passing yards per game.
00:57:39
Gentlemen, I just pulled up three different websites, but all I'm saying Pinterest you right with three different I have them is ninth overall in yards per game.
00:57:50
56 c on the I'm looking at, they've given up 1590 yards.
00:57:58
Oh, sorry, sorry I'm looking at per game.
00:58:01
I'm looking at their per game stats.
00:58:02
That's why my numbers were different, their ninth per game.
00:58:05
They gave him an average of 3 56.
00:58:06
9 per game.
00:58:09
That makes him nine.
00:58:10
How much they played? Seven.
00:58:12
Right there.
00:58:13
Therefore three.
00:58:14
They played seven.
00:58:15
Yeah, by the way.
00:58:16
So those number any of these numbers are going to be slightly skewed because you have Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Denver and Baltimore Ravens all listed ahead of the Green Bay Packers, all listed ahead in terms of yards like total yards per game.
00:58:30
Those teams have all given up less, and they've all you know are averaging one more game difference.
00:58:34
And that's not the 1 to 1.
00:58:35
Hey, the numbers go up, but it just means by opponents it's gonna differently and Carolina's numbers to come down a little bit when they play Atlanta's offense.
00:58:41
Theo end of the day is that they're pretty solid in all phases.
00:58:46
They're not gonna, you know, blow you away on offense or defense, and they're also going to be right in the mix for it, which I think is gonna it.
00:58:54
Can Atlanta move the ball against them, Yes, but they're not a young up and coming defense like they're pretty well rounded defense that can stay and keep you in games and get some stops against Atlanta.
00:59:03
I think I wish.
00:59:04
I wish you the NFL dot com would.
00:59:06
If you're watching this put freaking yards per game on there rather than it's a better stat than the overall.
00:59:12
You know what I mean? It's gonna be an interesting because you've got the for.
00:59:15
This is yards.
00:59:16
This is per game, right? You've got the fourth best passing offense against the 10th best passing defense.
00:59:23
And then you've got 2/20 I guess.
00:59:25
Worst running offense in Atlanta as well, against the 18th worst rushing defense.
00:59:30
I mean, everything almost lines up so beautifully, right? It's just such a such a beautiful line up.
00:59:37
Now I'll say 24 points per game.
00:59:39
The Carolinas surrendering defensively.
00:59:42
That's like that's probably the one to hone in on right, A couple of key stops, air getting a couple of key turnovers.
00:59:46
Gonna be interesting, one for them because at least if Atlanta's explosive offensively, then you worry about that a little bit.
00:59:53
If you're Carolina on that side of the ball.
00:59:55
It's the only good news.
00:59:56
Is Atlanta's giving up like 30 points a game? That that's what it all evens out? Friends? It all evens, but But they played Seattle, Dallas, Green Bay.
01:00:08
You know these teams? Uh, Minnesota, even, you know, they all are very high powered offensively.
01:00:14
So that's that's kind of you can throw that in the Lupas.
01:00:18
Well, with with Atlanta now granted, they still look bad defensively, even even though they apparently they couldn't stop the run.
01:00:26
This is the best there.
01:00:27
31st in yards per game, 31st in passing yards, 26 points per game.
01:00:33
Sixth Russian defense per game.
01:00:36
Six years.
01:00:37
What Z, What's their yards per carry given up for? If I If I remember seeing that this site, Amman doesn't go that deep? Okay, I think I think it was.
01:00:48
I saw that they gave up four yards per carry.
01:00:51
No, no.
01:00:52
Carolina gives up.
01:00:54
Um, no.
01:00:55
Carolina only gets 3.
01:00:56
9 yards a carry.
01:00:58
I think if I remember correctly, when they actually run the football, it's like below average.
01:01:03
We're starting to go down a rabbit hole.
01:01:05
Yes, we are.
01:01:06
I'm just gonna go ahead and give my pick.
01:01:07
I think that that the return of Julio Jones is gonna give Atlanta the spark enough to actually pull away.
01:01:12
The only the only question is whether or not this defense is gonna be ableto toe hold toe Hold that lead.
01:01:19
Unlike what they've been able to do over the last I don't know all season, right? That's three years. Questions.
01:01:27
Um, I'm gonna go with Atlanta.
01:01:32
I'm gonna go against the grain here.
01:01:34
I think Atlanta wins this.
01:01:35
I don't think it's gonna be a big game.
01:01:37
I think they're gonna have a big lead early on, and I think they're gonna it's gonna come down to then the other team's gonna come back, but I think they're gonna come up just a little short at the end.
01:01:46
I just love that you're already predicting to come back like that's just what we expect Atlanta place.
01:01:54
I mean, dude, my my Twitter feed is just full of Okay, boys house Atlanta gonna blow it today.
01:02:01
Look, I look down.
01:02:02
It's like a minute into the game, so people are just expecting it right off the hop.
01:02:06
I'll be you know what? I will be excited if Carolina is leading it late in the game and Atlanta has the ball with a clean chance.
01:02:13
All you have to do is use the best thing that you are your offense to go win a game, right? Like here it is.
01:02:20
It's all know timing issues.
01:02:22
You're down by six points, so you don't have to have someone fall or not fall into the end zone.
01:02:27
Just go down, score with zeroes on the clock and you win the game like the most straightforward opportunity.
01:02:32
And then I'll confirm or deny what I think about a lot of these pieces on this roster.
01:02:36
If they don't, you know if it's Matt Ryan choking or not pulling it off.
01:02:39
Yeah, that pretty much confirms my su****ions about what this team has been over the last handful of years.
01:02:43
And then they become seriously content, like serious contenders at two and six, You know that everybody just sakes about.
01:02:51
That's it.
01:02:52
That's awful.
01:02:53
Lawrence, we gotta go. Come on. Say goodbye.
01:02:55
Alright, alright.
01:02:56
It is time the game is up.
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Week 8 TNF: Panthers - Falcons

Carolina Panthers running back was not activated from the injured list Thursday, making him inactive for the team’s game against the Atlanta Falcons. However, the Panthers are confident the All-Pro will be able to return in Week 9 against the Kansas City Chiefs. Adam Schefter reports the “sense” is McCaffrey will be fully ready to […]

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welcome to SportsCastr everybody again Thursday night football.
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And yes, I understand it's another crappy game for Thursday night football.
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But you gotta understand thes air games that the NFL really can't, you know, flex teams in and out of because no one wants to play Thursday Night football on a short notice.
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That's something that would not hey, New England, you're not gonna play this game.
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You're gonna go over here three days earlier and play.
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I don't I don't think anyone is gonna want that.
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Um, so we got the Atlanta Falcons who are sitting at, what, one and six.
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We got Carolina Panthers, who were three and four.
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Obviously, there's gonna people is gonna watch it because it's the only game available and there are a lot of really big NFL fans out there, No matter who it is, it's playing.
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I personally, I will probably watch most of it, depending upon how the game goes.
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Christian McCaffrey is an out for this game.
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They were hoping to have him by this game, but now they're saying, probably, uh, week after versus Kansas City, and you've got a healthy Atlanta Falcons offense right now, So let's get into the game and let's let's talk about some of these storylines that we've got.
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Adam.
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You got anything to mention about this? Yeah.
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I mean, listen, it's the Carolina Panthers have been surprising to this point this year, he said.
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Three and four, you know they've won more games in first year head coaches Matt Rule start in his tenure there.
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It's great they went and got Robby Anderson in the off season, the scrapheap piece that the Jets apparently had no function for in their system.
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Turns out that he is pretty darn effective and consistent with Teddy Bridgewater.
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They're like, This is a and you lose Christian McCaffrey, and you still managed to have Ah, pretty successful first seven games, so it's been great on that side of it.
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But really, all my attention is on the Atlanta Falcons side of things.
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At 16 it's over.
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It's been over for a couple of years.
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You fired your head coach. You have Morris.
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There's the interim.
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I actually don't mind him as the head coach.
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I wouldn't mind if you got a shot their long term, but I think they need to be all the conversations right now on the NFL or about buyers and sellers.
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The Atlanta Falcons should be shopping a couple of pieces here.
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We know one player.
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McKinney got held out of this game tonight because I think, potentially, he could get moved.
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But on the offensive side, Julio Jones still a beast.
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I think there's value there in a trade.
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They should be looking to sell off pieces here before the deadline so they can get themselves in a good position to reboot this thing pretty quickly.
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A lot of holes on defense to fill for them going into the offseason, next year's draft.
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Ray, any storylines you want to cover or add on the Adams already said, Yeah, the Atlanta Falcons need to sell.
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I think they need a complete culture change there.
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They need to get rid of every single player on that team, not even just because they're bad players.
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If we go back to last week against Detroit, and just the fact that Todd Gurley runs into the end zone when they could have killed the clock 23 seconds, kicked the field goal, win the game instead, score the touchdown and let Detroit come back.
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So you might say to me, Ray, Yeah, but what are the odds that matches staffer is gonna lead the, You know, Detroit Lines a minute. Five.
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No timeouts.
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Doesn't matter.
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It's just the culture, the team, this team, no matter what, whether it's not knowing the onside kick rule, whether it's not going down before the end zone.
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This team does not know how toe win, and I think it's coaching that coaching staff is still Dan Quinn's staff.
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That's still the same coaching staff that were there before.
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I think you need to get rid of the leaders in the locker room.
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You need to go young.
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You need a new coach.
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It's not a knock on Julio Jones. It's not at all.
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He need to change the scenery, But you need some new leaders in that room that aren't used to this consistent losing.
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And I'll go back a Sfar a saying the Super Bowl against the Patriots.
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The 28 to 3 you know, you know, come back loss.
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We'll call it for the Atlanta.
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I call it a win.
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They can call it a loss.
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Um, it just seems ever since blowing that Super Bowl, it hasn't been the same Atlanta team that we saw even years prior that we're almost there.
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We just watched this team slowly declined back and back and back.
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And the fact that when we go through every game this season, the Dallas game, the Detroit game, um, even the Seattle game for, Ah, a mere moment and I'm trying to number one other game.
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When you look at this team, this team could very easily be four and two or four and five.
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Whatever the record is right now, what's the record? One in six s, so they could be four and three instead of one and six Instead, they're one in six because they don't know how to close out a ball game.
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You need an absolute culture change.
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As for Carolina, um, you know, a part of me wants to say, Man, you never should've got Greta Cam Newton.
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Forget what you're seeing in New England the last two weeks.
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He probably would have got covert if he's in Carolina, he probably doesn't go through this mental lapse.
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What he could do with this plea with Robby Anderson would look great, but I think you needed to move on from Cam Newton and change the culture around there is.
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Well, um, you know, maybe if Cam Newton's there and I'm not saying cams a bad locker room guy or bad for culture, but sometimes new coach that era there was the Ron Rivera Cam Newton era in Carolina.
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This is a new era, and I think Teddy Bridgewater is a is.
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I think they brought him into the bridge quarterback, and they may have found a future quarterback for themselves.
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So two different teams in two completely different scenarios right now.
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But you and you'd say radio that the you're like the way you just lay that out is Atlanta Should have been.
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Should have done what Carolina did, right? Moved on from the Matt Ryan moved on from some of these big pieces and rebooted it, and you probably would actually looking a little bit better in this season.
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The other game was the Green Bay one, where they effectively did get blown out.
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By the way, they're only wins against the Minnesota Vikings, who are having their own disastrous season as well.
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So this is a bad Vikings game team away from being being winless on this season.
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If you're Atlanta and when you have that many big names on your on your roster, I don't care about the defense is you got to be winning some of these well, to be fair, the Atlanta Falcons.
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I mean, they've been in games a lot of games this season.
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I think, like four of them have been winnable with within, you know, last drive type situations where they were, either winning were about to win the game.
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And then something happens, something crazy like, Oops, I accidentally fell in the end.
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So when in the world you accidentally fall in the end zone and it's a bad thing very, very odd.
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But I mean that that was the situation.
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Well, it's a funny thing because it was a Detroit player making the mistake, trying to tackle him.
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That almost given the extra momentum, Yeah, and instead of Todd Gurley just letting him, it gave him that extra competitive.
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I gotta pull away.
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And then all of a sudden he's at the half yard line, went Oh, no, and you could see him try to fall.
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Well, as you recall, you'll know the Ahmad Bradshaw right in the Super bowl against the Patriots, but it begins.
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Well, Fork pushed him in when he stopped, and they made sure that he fell into that end zone is like falls backwards in.
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But it's such a It's such a difficult thing to communicate a principal like that.
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So in that play for Atlanta, right? And for Detroit there they're both, they're both.
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All their instincts are.
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I got to go tackle this guy, and his instinct is I'm supposed to break through this tackle.
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So you end up seeing in such a weird and awkward play or neither player fully committed to the thing they know they're supposed to dio and then also can't manage to not get into the end zone.
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So it's those situations air so difficult that point if I was in, which is what I find weird about those is, you would think Atlanta, Detroit, We just open it up and step out of the way and let him run through.
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And you would think that Todd Gurley would just fall over at the line of why bother getting into the motion of running? Just lay down on the ground and for someone to come touch you it's It's so interesting when those plays happen in the NFL, because I said the mechanics inside of a player's brain are so hard to adjust and say now uniquely do this thing that we only ask you to do 0.
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1% of the time.
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Oh, yeah, and it's such a great play because you see the rest of Detroit just stand up and one guy just comes charging in for, like, here we dio time.
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It was a game saving missed tackle, the biggest end of the season awards for the Detroit Lines.
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This guy, this guy? Well, Atlanta.
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They're often There's nothing wrong with the offense.
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Everybody knows this.
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I mean, you go back and look at the Cowboys game, right? I mean, it was too great.
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Offensive vs to God awful defense's.
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And it literally came down to the last play of the game.
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And, uh, what, three weeks ago they played, uh, Carolina, you know, before and that was only a touchdown game.
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And that was without Julio Jones and then against the Bears.
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If I remember correctly, that that was, you know, came down to the last drivers.
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Well, this is an Atlanta team that's in games, but it's always right at the last second.
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Losing it here, so I'm gonna is the only problem.
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Is that good? Well, I'm gonna throw scenario at you, Lawrence.
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Take coaching out of the equation.
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Does the Peyton man he led team? Does Todd Gurley find his way into the end zone? How prepared does Peyton have Todd Gurley in that huddle? Todd, no matter what, you do not go in that end zone and you command it from your players.
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Does does the Patriots running If Eli is the quarterback, and I know that Bradshaw fell in the end zone.
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But if you watch that play, he got a pretty good shove from fence Will Fork on his way.
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Otherwise, he probably could have slowed himself down.
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You know that's the difference.
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You're either a winner or you're not.
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I think about Matt Ryan taking the sack in the Super Bowl to put his team out of field goal range.
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I mean, game clinching field goal range after making a huge chuck to Julio Jones.
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It's a team that could make explosive place and then collapses it Z not even under pressure.
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You see them collapse when they're blowing teams out.
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Its they have it, the leadership in the culture there.
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And I This thing.
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Matt Ryan hasn't had the mentor ship from the senior coaching staff there to prepare him to be a guy to command a Todd Gurley, not to go into the end zone or to win by a touchdown and not lose by a touchdown or a kicking team to know.
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Hey, as soon as the you know other teams kick kicks the ball, jump on it.
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But you know what? And you sit there, Adam and you say, Well, as a professional coach, you should have.
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That's a team not prepared.
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I played football since I was a kid, and I've known the onside kick rule since I was a kid.
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These air professional football players, I'm looking going.
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Not any eight of you knew the rule.
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Not one of you knew the rule of jump on the football.
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You know, like it's and you're right there because to your point about Matt Ryan, right, that's when you have not.
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You know, that's when you have your running back by and by the way, a veteran running back in Todd Gurley.
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Not his first time out there on the field, either.
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You know, by the facemask at all costs, you do not get into the end zone here, right? And just that authoritative command of your huddle.
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Same thing.
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There should be some player there on the on side kick in the Dallas game that jumps on the bowl and then immediately gets up after and is cursing out every one of his teammates for being like, Hey, why did I have to get four spots over here to grab this thing while all of you were dancing around it, right? Like we need to be on the same page.
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And you do think about that in different teams.
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Some guys are quiet leaders.
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They're not as vocal in the locker rooms, but who are the vocal leaders on the Atlanta Falcons team who is leading this team in the locker room, who's leading them on the field and to your point.
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It has obviously been Matt Ryan.
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They're under center and it is not necessarily that type of personality that it's not a permeate of indifference, but it's just, Hey, if we don't visually see the attention to detail.
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You mentioned Eli.
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He's a great example of a guy was not vocal, not a rah rah guy.
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But every teammate always said he was always in the film room, always going over things right, always working with receivers on the side.
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So the attention to detail was evident to everybody else and that can ramp up your focus.
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The the only thing that I'll throw out to you, Lawrence as well.
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When you mentioned about in these games, here's my problem when you go back and look at a couple of the key ones said the offense is great.
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They lost to Carolina, 23 16.
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They lost a Green Bay 32 16.
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You know you can say that you're in games.
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The 42 39 lost to Dallas.
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Great. You did everything you were supposed to there.
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But, you know, if you're an explosive offense, you just lost to Detroit by one point on a bad play, etcetera, etcetera.
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You should put up more than 22 against a terrible Detroit defense, so that's three games right there that they're putting up in and around or under 20 points.
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If you're an explosive offense, regardless of what the defense does, you have to come out every week and give me 24 to 31 points consistently.
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And then and then you can continue to hang your hat on.
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This is a bad defense.
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We have my only my only come back for that is that Julio has been hurt for a while and that that is something that, uh, Matt Ryan has really hung his hat on.
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You know, you know what I'm saying? Uh, when Julio is in the game, the dynamic of this whole offense is completely different.
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Completely different.
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You could see Julio, you could throw the football to Julio on a screen pass and be like, Well, he's gonna take that to the end zone.
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You know, we've seen that last year.
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If we remember correctly in a exciting play, that brings me up to If Julio is traded, what teams would be out there right now? Going calling up? You know, the Atlanta Falcons saying, Hey, is Julio on the block? What would you want for him? Uh, well, I mean, what's Cleveland salary cap at? They just lost Odell Beckham Jr for the year.
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All right, said it said.
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It's a large before we got on was like here we Oh yeah, I mean, that's the I mean, you're getting up.
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And then when? When? When the seasons finished and Odell Beckham's healed, you trade him to somebody else.
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Because not only do you have a better version of Odell Beckham Jr.
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You've got a guy who's not that quote unquote headcase.
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And you know an O b.
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J can finally unite with Bill Belichick in New England the way they've been wanting for years.
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So it's, I think, you know, that would to me, they'd be the first.
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But you know, Lawrence, here's my problem with Julio has been hurt and granted.
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I know that Baker has some more weapons, but when Odell Beckham Jr went down last week, that almost elevated Baker. Mayfield.
00:14:01
You know, I mean, you almost saw an elevation of play from Jarvis Landry.
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Um, I come from the land of next man up.
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You know, Gronkowski goes down.
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Martellus Bennett, who was a disaster everywhere else, becomes a 600 yard tight end and, you know, becomes the main mainstay of the Super Bowl.
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Uh, guys like Danny Amendola, Step, step up when Julian Edelman goes down and becomes a mainstay on the team.
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It's to me.
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It's That's where I look at a team like Atlanta and say, OK, Matt Ryan, you've been in the league long enough.
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You should Yes, Julio Jones is a game changer the same way DeAndre Hopkins is a game changer.
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But again, Atlanta has fallen into that same trap that the Shawn Watson did.
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And then I'm afraid now that my my young fellow that I'm in love with Kyler Murray has fallen into where your offense is so one dimensional through one player.
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When they're not there, you don't know how to respond.
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We're seeing it in Houston, the whole that DeAndre Hopkins left, because when you look at Emergency Brake, the I'll pick it up here in Case Radius have been here to go ahead and and address something he mentioned he so he mentions about the Cleveland Browns.
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And I was starting to this with you before we started Lawrence around the difference between and Odell Beckham Jr versus Julio Jones, and I think Hopkins, now Hopkins is an elite one.
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True number one wide receiver, but again, smaller receiver now he can run all the rats and make all the plays.
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But Julio Jones is that big body, red zone, traditional kind of old school kind of number one wide receiver.
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I think it could benefit in Cleveland with Baker Mayfield, especially when you're that close to being able to maybe make a run there in that division.
00:15:41
I'll also throw out.
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So a couple other teams, I'd be curious how everybody feels about it.
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Um, they just signed a 32 year old Dez Bryant to the practice squad.
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If I'm the Baltimore Ravens, I really like the idea of bringing in that type of security blanket.
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As Ray gets his, uh, his head's setback on I'll.
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I'll just reiterate that Julio Jones is that red zone kind of wide receiver, right? So that's a little bit different dynamic than, say in Odell Beckham Jr and your point about Baker and seeing him play better without a true number one means you to spread the ball around, go through your route trees, etcetera.
00:16:10
So Baltimore is kind of an outlier one, But I'll tell you a sleeper, one that I think would actually be really exciting just put their new rookie quarterback under center.
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They have a decent number, one who has some of his own injury concerns as well.
00:16:23
We've seen the team that's leading this division actually struggle a little bit over last couple of weeks.
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Miami Dolphins.
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I think if you wanna be in on this season and a chance to maybe jump up and and so and shock the Buffalo Bills who feel like they're in control.
00:16:38
There you go. Get yourself a Julio Jones.
00:16:40
You have Gaskins in the backfield who's emerged this year.
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You also have Parker already like that's a really not and big receivers.
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They're they're good, complimentary tight ends as well.
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That's a really dynamic cast that you could put together their depending on what the cost is, and you could get yourself over the hump and for certain teams.
00:16:56
So unlike, say, Baltimore, who's been in the mix and they know they're going, they feel like they're going to the playoffs, etcetera.
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It's not as as imminent because you're a really good team and you've been established for a while.
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But for Miami, you know, this is a jump up here.
00:17:07
For them, there's a chance to shock people after having a little bit of a better back end season last year.
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Now, all of a sudden you can throw yourself right into the conversation.
00:17:14
So win a division, something you have not been a part of since Bill Belichick took over in New England.
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You know, they wanted in 2000 and eight when Tom Brady was injured for the season.
00:17:25
There you go.
00:17:26
So it's it's only it's on Lee been over a decade since Miami was over to be competitive and again with a young now.
00:17:32
Now, Reyes Point is valid about if you bring in that true number, one would to a get tunnel vision for it, I think.
00:17:38
And it's so funny because Kyler Murray in Arizona you would.
00:17:41
You would think you would almost assume that teams like that with quarterbacks like that are less inclined to suffer from it because their mobile so because they get out on the edge and then they run, they pick up yardage.
00:17:52
But if Kyler Murray is the sample size, what you do end up seeing is I get on the edge, Aiken scramble.
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I can run and I'll make sure I look for Hopkins.
00:18:00
I'll always make sure I look to see what Hopkins is up to you, and I'll kind of forego some of the other opportunities.
00:18:05
We have seen Christian Kirk bubble up there a bit there now for them the last couple of weeks as well.
00:18:08
So you're starting to open it up.
00:18:10
There is an adjustment period, but that would be exciting for May.
00:18:12
Like, I'd like to see Julio Jones go somewhere with a team that you could really feel the impact this year going China from not making it to possibly get into the playoffs and winning a division.
00:18:22
Look, I'm gonna throw out that the Baltimore Ravens didn't need Dez Bryant.
00:18:27
They need a number one receiver.
00:18:29
Um, they're not gonna win.
00:18:31
I'm sorry, Joe.
00:18:32
I know if you're watching, I apologize.
00:18:34
They're not.
00:18:35
They're gonna go one and done again in the playoff.
00:18:37
Their 31st in the NFL in passing, 31st on on what are they? A six and one team of five and one team.
00:18:46
It's at some point that's going to come back and bite you in the ass.
00:18:50
If you're the Baltimore Ravens, you can't just have Lamar Jackson run the football all the time.
00:18:55
It's starting to bite the Patriots in the ass because the talent isn't there.
00:19:00
Eventually, it's going to start to bite.
00:19:01
Baltimore and I would be looking at a Julio Jones where Lamarque and throw up those duck balls in Julio Jones can catch them.
00:19:09
You know what I mean? Um, Azaz, as Lamar is learning to be a passing quarterback because Baltimore hasn't let him be one his entire career.
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And now they're trying toe, you know, do that now.
00:19:21
So I'm concerned about that.
00:19:22
But I agree with I don't like Julio in Miami, to be honest with, you know, as a football perspective as a Patriots fan, but as a football perspective because of two.
00:19:31
Ah, I would have liked it better with Ryan Fitzpatrick, who would know how to use a number one superstar like Julio Jones.
00:19:39
I do think to Aiken get tunnel vision.
00:19:43
I think that to it.
00:19:44
Could I think a guy like Julio Jones could actually stunt his growth.
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I'm already not a fan of them playing him.
00:19:51
I wanted him to sit the whole season and play Fitzpatrick and the biggest reason I'd be afraid of bringing in Julio Jones.
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And now I don't think things are good in that locker room in Miami right now.
00:20:04
There's a lot of veterans were not happy about the quarterback change, including Fitzpatrick himself.
00:20:11
Well, what what happened there? Because by all indications, Fitzpatrick is always known right as I bounced around.
00:20:16
I'm usually a placeholder.
00:20:18
So you were saying you saw when, When, to a got in late for that sample.
00:20:21
Nobody was cheering more for him than Fitzpatrick.
00:20:24
But it also seems to be that Fitzpatrick was cheering really hard because he didn't anticipate it being anything that was going to impact his ability to hold on to that starting job.
00:20:32
So when you talk about veterans in that locker room feeling like, Hey, we're playing well with this guy, you now are you.
00:20:39
You may think you could still win some games, but all the veterans were going to say So you're telling us that we're throwing this season away? That's what you're telling us right now because we were competitive with Ryan Fitzpatrick under center.
00:20:49
Yeah.
00:20:50
I mean your your two games out of I mean, if I'm in Miami fan, I'm sure in hard for the Patriots this week to get up to three wins.
00:20:57
Because if you win, that means you're going up now 24 and three.
00:21:01
You're one game behind Buffalo and you play Buffalo hard.
00:21:05
I think Miami has the confidence to go in and beat Buffalo, but Fitzpatrick played Buffalo hard.
00:21:11
You know what I mean? What's gonna happen now? Um, just for for giggles when I look at Miami schedule now, of course, it's softer because they came second last last year.
00:21:21
But you gotta play now again.
00:21:25
The Patriots pass defense, which is 11th in the NFL.
00:21:28
Assuming that they don't clear house, you have to play buffaloes defense.
00:21:33
You have to play.
00:21:35
Okay, well, see how they gotta play Arizona.
00:21:38
You gotta play L A.
00:21:40
You can even Seattle, though, by the way, we I I still I'm of the mind that that's a defense.
00:21:45
That that does incrementally get better as the year goes along doesn't mean they're not.
00:21:48
They're not Seattle, but they're still gonna be, You know, they can do things against a young quarterback if you have to, are there? Yeah, and can to a stay pace for pace with Russell Wilson, because that's how you beat the Seattle Seahawks is.
00:21:59
You go pace for pace with the Seahawks.
00:22:00
They got to play Kansas City, who's a defense not to sleep on.
00:22:04
They gotta play Denver.
00:22:05
I mean, there's a lot of teams that they have to play that can really disrupt a young quarterback.
00:22:11
And I agree with you.
00:22:12
I think the veterans, we're looking at that going, You're not making us better.
00:22:15
You know what I mean? You're making a decision that's actually making us worse.
00:22:18
Now.
00:22:19
He could come and be great in Fitzpatrick.
00:22:21
You know, they had a bye e mean it could have happened better than on a bye week toe like, Let's air this out, Let's, you know, get behind.
00:22:27
And I don't think it's Patrick's, the kind of guy who will go out of his way to make two of miserable.
00:22:31
I mean, he knows it's not his fault.
00:22:32
He's not looking at the young kids, saying, Well, you should have shut it down.
00:22:35
But I do think that there might be guys like Kyle Van Noy and some other guys who might be who came from all playing with veteran quarterbacks.
00:22:44
You what I mean it was their locker room, and they all like Fitzpatrick, and they might be a little bit upset that now they got to go out with the kid.
00:22:51
I'm just I don't know.
00:22:52
I'm just from what I've heard that the veteran fans are a lot more excited in the locker room.
00:22:57
Well, in a situation like this, when you know Fitzpatrick, he was benched.
00:23:01
He had two interceptions that game or three.
00:23:03
Something like that.
00:23:04
But a couple of his fault, Hey, still played admirable outside of that, and before that, he was playing fantastic.
00:23:11
And if to A comes out and has a God awful game and you have to pull him, what does that do to a young quarterback who has been held back the first seven weeks? Uh, toe, look at and then you end up half of Poland because he's bad.
00:23:25
What does that end up doing to his psyche? It's Josh Rosen.
00:23:28
Yeah, well, and then the flip on the flip side of his, too.
00:23:32
By the way, with Fitzpatrick under center, you play out the rest of the schedule.
00:23:35
Win, lose draw.
00:23:36
It's okay.
00:23:37
It's all it's all relative to.
00:23:38
We have fits, Pat Patrick, a journeyman quarterback.
00:23:41
If you put into it, there's the psyche part for him.
00:23:43
And then there's also just the hey, is he starting his career? And after we were competitive early on an O and six start to start the season, right, like it's a final record for ends up being five and 11 or something like it still will be indicative of Okay, So with a veteran quarterback, this team is pretty competitive with a young rookie were not so much now going into your number.
00:24:04
Two things change.
00:24:05
But then again, the unfortunate thing from Miami perspective is now.
00:24:08
You start to look at some of those veteran guys who you need to move out of this locker room now who do you have to replace them with? And all of a sudden you end up with a young, exciting quarterback and you still are trying to figure out all these pieces around them.
00:24:19
So I mean, Miami's done a really nice job.
00:24:20
The last couple of years kind of re establish themselves as being a respectable team in the league.
00:24:25
I just hope that they don't undo that so quickly because you are eager to get to it and, um, real quick, the rich get richer.
00:24:34
Kansas City puts a line out in the water to get Julio Jones onto onto that roster.
00:24:41
Right now, I know how exciting their receivers are.
00:24:43
I know Tyreek Hill is a burner, but just think about just just having Tyree kill Kelsey and then Julio Jones and and a quarterback in the homes, who on Lee is going to throw to the to the open option consistently like there's a world where he has now.
00:24:58
He has two more years.
00:24:59
Julio Jones, but it's not a crazy number.
00:25:02
They could actually manage that from a cap standpoint.
00:25:05
And have Julio Jones be there and jettison Sammy Watkins.
00:25:08
Jam it, you know, jettison even a young hardman potentially.
00:25:11
And do that thing that they've done with all these contracts here in this past offseason.
00:25:15
Set up toe win multiple championships right now in this window and worry about everything else in 34 years.
00:25:21
Yeah, don't move out in Kansas City, though.
00:25:24
I don't know if I'd want to get rid of McColl Hardman.
00:25:27
I'm not saying you don't have.
00:25:28
You don't have to get rid of Hardman.
00:25:29
You easily move on from Sammy Watkins, though you know Hardman Young, he's anybody could be costs you nothing.
00:25:36
So he's on this roster no matter what.
00:25:38
And if any, you're talking about literally walking out of the field, in the homes, going Guess who literally is standing wide open 85% of the place.
00:25:45
Hardman, Because he is the last thing that the defense is concerned about.
00:25:48
And he gets toe walk his way out there on top of having left Bell in there.
00:25:51
Now, on top of having you know Edwards Hilaire in the backfield like so you just, you know, just surround these news with weapons.
00:25:57
With the defense, unlike what we've seen in Atlanta, right, you still you have a solid defense in Kansas City as of right now, so you can go out there and you feel like, Hey, why don't you go ahead and give us the championship right now? This year, we've been a little bit up and down and inconsistent on offense.
00:26:10
We'll take a championship this year and then we'll run it back next year, and we'll worry about those pieces that have to shuffle in the background.
00:26:15
My I just don't know how they could do it. Financial.
00:26:17
You can't move Sammy Watkins.
00:26:18
He's a dead cap of 15 million.
00:26:21
So they only have with bringing in Libyan Bell.
00:26:24
I think there are, like, $4 million now in salary cap.
00:26:28
That's the only that I'm trying to look here.
00:26:32
You, you. Hartmann's 1.9.
00:26:35
So you're and you're actually losing money on that because right now is captain is one point, right? Um, no, I don't think the only one.
00:26:44
No, they can't really pull it off unless they Unless they Unless they were effectively swapping receivers in that process, right? Yes, you'd have to move out, Sammy walk into, say, you send Sammy Watkins back to Atlanta, you take Julio Jones and you also give a pick, right? You also to make it worthwhile for Atlanta.
00:27:02
But that's how you would probably do it right? You dumped that money and you bring in Julio Jones and that dynamic Julio Jones in that receiving corps over Sammy Watkins changes them to a whole other level beyond what they've already been at.
00:27:12
Well, it's something that Atlanta could do is be like, Hey, this team wants you were willing to trade you to go to a team that has a chance to win a Super Bowl now.
00:27:24
But we need to re negotiate your contract so that we're eating all of your cap and the other team is fine.
00:27:30
Would you be willing to do that? And that's something that a player, it's happened before.
00:27:34
You know, it happened last year, so it's situations like that can be worked around as long as the players willing to do it.
00:27:43
It can.
00:27:44
Now, let me ask you, since we're on the subject, If you're Arthur Blank right, that's the the owner's name in Atlanta.
00:27:49
Eso Atlanta is one in six right now, right? They're currently the sixth overall pick, the sixth overall pick at one and six.
00:28:01
And if the Vikings lose their next game, they dropped down the seventh because they got the head the head on on Minnesota.
00:28:10
A win tonight almost takes you out of the top five of the top five running.
00:28:16
You know, it's someone asked me their day.
00:28:18
Can the Patriots tank for Trevor Lawrence? I said, I think there anyone to many games with two.
00:28:22
You know what I mean? Like, I really think they've already won too many games to be in that conversation.
00:28:26
I'm cheering for the Giants to stay in second because they have a quarterback on.
00:28:31
Either they give the Patriots Daniel Jones and they work with him or they given the second pick.
00:28:35
That's my whole, you know.
00:28:37
And everybody in New York is A is a patriot now, so they all work together, right? You're rooting for New York to get the 1st and 2nd pick of the NFL draft next year.
00:28:48
Just the second pick.
00:28:49
Just Yeah, yeah, both. New York.
00:28:52
I'm cheering for New York to be 1st and 2nd go in New York, and I mean, listen and then you talk about Miami.
00:28:58
I mean, you end up with the rich getting richer.
00:28:59
The Houston is the fourth overall pick right now.
00:29:01
That's Miami's pick.
00:29:03
That's Miami's pick like this is why I don't get why they're starting to of this year.
00:29:11
You know what I mean? Because you you have one more draft to just load up and build a brand new rookie culture with young guys with a second year quarterback who sat behind.
00:29:20
Not a great quarterback, but a steady veteran quarterback in the NFL.
00:29:25
Anyways, I just want to throw that out.
00:29:26
So yes, so it's It's weird.
00:29:28
So it's, uh I mean, Atlanta is in a very, very just bad position right now.
00:29:35
I wanted to go back toe one other team that I think would be phenomenal if they could get Julio Jones.
00:29:43
Imagine San Francisco 40 Niners with Julio.
00:29:48
They've had so many injuries.
00:29:50
They got speed at wide receiver, but not a true number one.
00:29:53
They've got a running game that is almost impossible to stop.
00:29:58
They've got a quarterback who likes to overthrow good luck overthrowing Julio on a defense that get that can get at it right now.
00:30:07
I think if if if they got Julio Jones on that team, they have a furious shot at actually coming back in that division and making a run in the playoffs.
00:30:18
Yeah, so they have $649,000 in the hole space in the hole and the hole there over cap right now.
00:30:24
Yeah, and that's and that's unfortunately the restrictions for a lot of these teams, right? Teams that are in the best position to maybe make a move for Julio Jones or any big name person to bring and help bolster their roster are, of course, the teams.
00:30:34
The more competitive you are typically means you have a bit of a higher salary, you know, salary across your roster, so it's hard to finagle it.
00:30:40
But they know that makes a ton of sense, though.
00:30:42
Lawrence, obviously, you know, bringing in a legit guy when you've had even the Debo Samuels and you because that looked nice this year for them.
00:30:49
But they're those little quick, short gim**** guy, and they're not bad.
00:30:54
But it's not bad to have those guys, but again.
00:30:56
Then, when you put a big physical presence on the outside, that's what helps open up those opportunities.
00:31:00
And then and then don't forget you got Kittel right up the middle, you know? So I mean, that's just that would make that offense Skerry.
00:31:07
And who cares if it's 700 K in the hole when they create the the roster space from the 55 that they that they're allowed to have this year when they drop a guy that will probably free up that put them even when they bring him in? All they got to do is make sure.
00:31:24
Like I said earlier, that Julio ends up renegotiating his contract before the trade.
00:31:28
That's what I have to be.
00:31:29
This would have to be post deadline then.
00:31:31
But see, here's my issue.
00:31:33
This is what you get.
00:31:34
And I'm sorry.
00:31:35
This is what you get for spending $12.
00:31:36
5 million on offensive lineman, you know, And again, maybe because I'm from the Patriots.
00:31:42
You know, I'm a Patriots fan where we've just were really for the most part.
00:31:46
We're really good at drafting O linemen in the fifth round and then just moving on.
00:31:51
But I just I cannot pay that kind of money for an offensive lineman.
00:31:55
When you got to miss out on Julio Jones because you have Trent Williams, you know what I mean? Like, it's just it's It's such a tough pill to swallow is your second highest paid player on the team.
00:32:04
I don't know, because I it depends upon the players.
00:32:07
See, I will have no problem at all, and and next year, the year after, when the Colts extend Nelson and get him 16 to 20? Yeah, but But I think so, because even the Giants example right where they end up paying a former patriot and soldier.
00:32:23
Right now, it doesn't pan out the way you think it's going to.
00:32:26
But even at that price, like at the time, they said, We're over paying for this because it's what the market has available for us and we need it.
00:32:32
But I think maybe to raise point, it's like system and technique.
00:32:36
You can teach that to a lot of mid round offensive lineman.
00:32:40
So and by the way, the reason why it always struck me as odd for the Giants was the Super Bowl.
00:32:44
Runs were built on offensive lines that were guys that we got anywhere from the second to the fifth round and just merge them together.
00:32:51
They took a few years to gel, and then all of a sudden you had a very, uh, sorry, an offensive line with continuity, with understanding of one another, right.
00:32:59
They worked together brilliantly, and you never had to over pay any of them.
00:33:02
So when you make that move like the Giants did was solder, it means you don't get to get an edge rusher in free agency.
00:33:08
It means you don't get to maybe fill to mid level, offensive lineman like center and another guard position.
00:33:13
So you're always taking something off the table for yourself when you overspend in a particular area.
00:33:18
And that's the issue now, right now.
00:33:20
San Francisco, you can.
00:33:22
Now you can go in and look at the stats and say, Hey, this offensive lineman represents X for us, and I can probably find you guys that are making 40% of his salary.
00:33:30
And the margin of difference is not nearly that significant where you couldn't get by on it, whereas Julio Jones would represent a very significant difference in what your weapons are on the outside.
00:33:40
Well, two years ago in 2018 Joe Tooni and Shaq Mason sat at number one and number two is ranked guards in the league.
00:33:48
We have the best large guard tandem in the NFL, and they had a combined salary of 5.
00:33:53
5 million a combined salary, and they're probably both gonna get traded away because we could have got this Michael Manu, who they picked up, I think is an undrafted free agent who's balling out right and look, you're you're talking about the Giants.
00:34:08
What are the Super Bowl runs parcels.
00:34:10
Coughlin.
00:34:11
You know what I mean? And now and then you look at and then Belichick in New England.
00:34:16
All parcels, guys, right, Either parcels or parcel guys.
00:34:18
They know how to use the offensive linemen.
00:34:21
And the New York of all teams should know better than to over pay for an offensive lineman, especially one from the Patriots, who grew up in a Patriot system.
00:34:28
Because I dare you two point me toe one offensive lineman that someone has overpaid from the Patriots that's panned out New England and not on this tangent, but I fully expected with Joe Judge now there, I fully expect you to see this roster start to change its mentality and how it approaches filling these holes across the roster because, to your point, you can't you need tohave, the capital available to go make the big the big move for the big player when you need it.
00:34:55
When you feel like everything else is clicking right before the trade deadline, we go and grab Julio Jones because he is the last missing piece, not, oh, shoot.
00:35:02
We locked ourselves into all these other smaller options and you know It's hard.
00:35:06
I know in the trenches is so important, so effective.
00:35:09
But any time you lock in significant money, toe any one position on a roster, you always have to look at.
00:35:14
What's the impact everywhere else, where your holes and Atlanta is the perfect example of that.
00:35:18
You locked in a ton of money to Julio Jones.
00:35:19
You locked in a ton of money to Matt Ryan.
00:35:21
You locked in a ton of money.
00:35:22
The offense and your defense is playing like garbage, and you don't have the ability to get, you know, to make effective moves to get that side of the ball better.
00:35:29
Which, by the way, they could even try to do that.
00:35:31
Trade away Julio Jones.
00:35:32
Not just for draft picks traded for pieces, for young, controllable defensive pieces that you think can come in and be effective on that side of the ball for you.
00:35:40
So you get a leg up going in the off season and I want to Before I get a bunch of big, fat guys mad at me.
00:35:47
I'm on a fence.
00:35:48
I was an offensive lineman to I'm a left guard.
00:35:50
I have no disrespect for the offensive line.
00:35:53
I know how hard we work.
00:35:55
I was an undersized left guard, but I was a big guy.
00:35:57
In fact, I like the rest of you that we called muscle right, but it's Ah, it's, I get it.
00:36:02
But I just to me I would never pay for an offensive lineman when, like, to me, that's the position on I know this sounds awful.
00:36:09
That's a dime a dozen.
00:36:10
You know what I mean? I think that you can find those guys in the 4th and 5th rounds I can.
00:36:14
I mean, two of the Patriots top offensive linemen are undrafted free agents right now. E.
00:36:19
I think a lot of that has to do with how well you scout offensive linemen.
00:36:24
And then, of course, the coaching of being able to coach him up Pinto into doing that.
00:36:28
Not every team has that type of personnel on their team that can do that specific thing.
00:36:35
So you have to go out.
00:36:36
It's just like, um, some of the issues with New England.
00:36:42
They have they, they have the staff to find and coach up offensive lineman.
00:36:48
But there's an argument to be said that they cannot find and or coach up wide receivers.
00:36:54
E. I think they can coach up wide receiver.
00:36:56
That is not how to draft a wide receiver.
00:36:58
I mean, I mean, while Edelman was drafted, but, I mean, I think you know, they did okay with Wes Welker and Randy Moss and Amendola and Chris Hogan.
00:37:06
Those guys all put up big numbers in New England.
00:37:09
Um, they know how toe sign veterans three.
00:37:12
Only really good receiver we ever had was Malcolm Mitchell only played one year for us and then his knee gave out on you.
00:37:17
Need to retire from football, you know s Oh, sorry, I'm sorry.
00:37:22
Dion Branch was drafted by Belichick.
00:37:24
He's a Super Bowl MVP.
00:37:25
I got to give him his his story.
00:37:27
Dion.
00:37:28
I think the other side of it is to is like Is it something things like again the Giants? Great example.
00:37:32
You drafted Andrew Thomas high in the draft.
00:37:34
Looks like he's really struggling.
00:37:35
I think will be okay.
00:37:36
But he's struggling mightily.
00:37:37
The guy who took in the third round, Matt Peart, that everyone said he's gonna get a full year to not play and understand and learn.
00:37:42
He's come in and looks like he pretty much gets it like it is also the hit and miss nature of the NFL and just saying like, Listen, all these things are the proverbial roll of the dice, and then when you have the right coaching in place, you're going to get the best version of that player.
00:37:57
But that's what becomes so imbalanced on a team to team draft to draft kind of basis is you know how many how many Q B bus everyone was talking about? Like, Who do you miss on who didn't see Lamar Jackson being what he turned out to be? The Ryan Leaf, unfortunately, always ends up being the the poster boy for Russ.
00:38:13
That's what back Prescott.
00:38:15
We just had this conversation on our my show on DPR.
00:38:18
Contrary the other night was how many of the top quarterbacks in the league right now weren't first overall picks.
00:38:24
You what? I mean, like Mahomes attend, right, uh was a dac of fourth round or right.
00:38:30
I wasn't Russell Russell was a lot of a third or third round, third round.
00:38:35
He was a threat.
00:38:36
And by the way, by the way, the difference is us.
00:38:40
So you have guys that come in with a natural skill set, and then they're gonna get better.
00:38:43
You have guys that come with a natural skill set and are overconfident and our dedicated toe working.
00:38:48
So they just slowly deteriorated.
00:38:49
And that that's the Ryan Leaf syndrome or JaMarcus Russell is another, more, much more recent one. Johnny.
00:38:55
Exactly.
00:38:56
They think they're already ready to go and do this thing.
00:38:57
They're not dedicated to the process.
00:38:58
Look at guys like the Manning brothers like, If you think Peyton Manning is one of the most naturally gifted athletes in the sport of football, he's not.
00:39:07
But his mind and his dedication to being the best version of himself, that's what gets you over the hump.
00:39:13
And then guys like later round picks like Russell Wilson.
00:39:15
Okay, you are probably more naturally gifted.
00:39:19
Well, you haven't quite refined yourself.
00:39:20
If you come into the NFL, you're willing to hit the ground running.
00:39:22
I'm gonna get better, improve dedication, right, and that's true of anything.
00:39:25
Any job in the world.
00:39:26
You could get a job somewhere and say, Hey, I got it And watch yourself slowly, not learn anything new or get better at it or you're interested.
00:39:33
You wanna get better.
00:39:34
The process and coaching staff, Mentor ship All those things around.
00:39:38
Its stability For Russell Wilson.
00:39:39
Underpay Carol Stability for Tom Brady under Bill Belichick and his time there, you know these are important tenants to toe.
00:39:46
Having success is a young quarterback.
00:39:47
The worst thing you can Dio is go through what you're seeing.
00:39:50
Sam, Donald, go through.
00:39:51
Go through what you've seen.
00:39:52
Maybe possibly for Daniel Jones.
00:39:54
Hopefully, that's corrected turnover, new systems, new coaches that.
00:39:57
That's how you throw guys off instead of just being able to hone in on what their talents are and how you advance their skill sets.
00:40:02
Now I got a question for you guys.
00:40:04
Baker Mayfield.
00:40:06
He's an enigma.
00:40:07
He is because I know I look at Baker Mayfield, and I think, OK, he's He had a bit of an attitude last season, but I've always kind of liked Baker's Mayfield's attitude.
00:40:21
It's been Maura, that chip on my shoulder.
00:40:23
You know what I mean? Kind of attitude, but to me, he was never arrogant.
00:40:27
He was just a ****.
00:40:29
I'll just use the word, you know? I mean, it was a different kind of attitude.
00:40:32
More professional Johnny Manziel, by the way, right? Yeah, but I felt like he was a guy who really wanted to learn how to play football.
00:40:40
And then Freddie Kitchens walked in the front door.
00:40:42
And do you think Baker like under Stefanski could start to turn in the baker Mayfield that we've been waiting for him to turn into? Yeah.
00:40:52
Really? Really, I do, because I think, Yeah, I understand.
00:40:55
Fancy, It looks like First of all, the Stefanski is going to be a good head coach.
00:40:59
But that's the first thing.
00:41:00
So it means that you're gonna get more than a year.
00:41:02
You're gonna get more than a year of your Baker Mayfield toe, learn an offense and then try to move forward with it.
00:41:07
I think regardless of the injury, I think that's the fancy.
00:41:11
I think the organization wants to move on from Odell Beckham Jr just because this again, some of the parts and what else does this team need? So I think they're going to start to really continue to develop out what they have with Chub and with Hunt, you still have Landry joke is coming back from injury, but they have that.
00:41:28
They have their other tight end there as well.
00:41:29
Like you have all these really nice complimentary offensive weapons.
00:41:32
I think if you give Baker Mayfield this year and then midway through next season, you're gonna really start to see what the best version of him is supposed to be.
00:41:41
And your point right? I think he's confident, he said, a little bit of a little bit of a D, you know, just a little bit there at times, but But I think I think it's because he actually he knows that he is good enough to be good in the league.
00:41:54
And some of that could just be the bleed over of frustration.
00:41:57
When you end up in the Cleveland Browns and you go, Oh, God, is this thing ever going to get figured out where I get a chance to be the best version of myself? Or am I gonna be coming up on my fifth year option hoping that they think I'm bad and they don't want me back and I can get the heck out of here? So hopefully understand fancy, they write it and then I think we'll see a pretty good version him and listen a game winning drive last week like that's important.
00:42:19
That does.
00:42:20
Show me something, your ability to go do that against a guy who looks like already has it figured out in Joe Burrow.
00:42:24
But being able to do that also sends a good message to the team that like, Hey, I am still locked in.
00:42:29
I'm not checking out on this team on a week to week basis, based on what I think you know what's happening around me.
00:42:35
Well, I mean, you can.
00:42:36
You can answer that question yourself.
00:42:38
We've got three guys here right now talking that eyes not at 100% on who their quarterback will be next year.
00:42:45
Would you take? Maker may feel that your starting quarterback next year, I would have.
00:42:48
But I've always been higher on Baker than a lot of other people have.
00:42:51
So that's why I like to put out the question I've said forever.
00:42:56
First of all, if so, Guan Barkley would have been a Brown, which for a while there it looked like it could have Baker.
00:43:04
Mayfield would have been a patriot because there was already a deal with the Giants.
00:43:07
You know, I mean, the deal was already made.
00:43:09
If they don't, if they take sick Juan, the deals made in the and and the Patriots take Baker Mayfield and we would have been set.
00:43:16
Um, I just feel bad for that kid because I like Johnny Manziel, too.
00:43:19
And I felt he was another kid who now Johnny Manziel is a little different.
00:43:23
He's got some severe mental health issues and he was never taken care of the way he should have been taken care of.
00:43:28
And, you know, when Brady, you know, when Brady was a quarterback, used to go to Drew Bledsoe's house for dinner with his wife and his kids, You know what I mean? Nobody was doing that for Manzella Baker.
00:43:38
And I think that when you look at and I think a guy like Odell, you know, I would think I would fit in a New England, get him in New England under a system that's a little bit more stable.
00:43:49
I mean, they almost got Josh Gordon all the way.
00:43:52
He did fall off, but almost got in there, and really, it was weed.
00:43:55
If it would have been this year, he wouldn't have fallen off.
00:43:58
He probably still be a patriot right now.
00:44:00
Um, it's just it's strange.
00:44:02
And I want to throw it something that you guys, I don't know if you saw this because you may not be paying attention, but I am.
00:44:06
I want to talk about the Patriots for a second, But you know how we talk about all you gotta mentor these kids and, you know, I mean bringing the leadership or the experience.
00:44:15
Devin Devin McCourty has been a team captain of the Patriots, I think for eight years now.
00:44:19
He was drafted in 2010 and he was doing an interview the day they said, How are you helping your team through this tough time? You know, being two and four and he says, I'm not, He says, we're turning to the guys on the team that have played for Unlu Zing seasons like my brother Jason.
00:44:35
And you know, Cam and and all these guys and I realized today that the veteran leadership of the New England Patriots have never the worst record they've ever had, is two and two.
00:44:47
They don't know how to dig themselves out of a two and four hole and they're now turning to guys like Lawrence Guy and Jason McCord, who played on the own 16 Browns, to talk about how to keep yourself mentally in a game.
00:45:01
Because I don't know if you guys saw me that San Francisco game last week.
00:45:04
But if you want to talk about a team who played without heart, there was no heart or effort on that field, and I'm not taking away.
00:45:09
San Francisco is a good team.
00:45:10
Don't not taking away their victory.
00:45:11
They probably would have won even if the Patriots had heart.
00:45:14
But you could just see deflation from the first quarter and on.
00:45:17
And it's really strange to me because I'm just so used to, you know, been there kind of guys, right playoff experience, the things I'm so used to talking about.
00:45:25
Have you ever heard of a team now having to turn around and talk to team? Talk to the players on their team that have been 11 year guys having to talk to the guys who have been on bad teams because they need to know how to get through this kind of experience? No, but it is interesting because, uh, that brings up that old adage.
00:45:43
You learn more from a loss than you do from a wind, right? And, uh, if you're on a team, which is weird, if you're on a team over 20 year period that has never went through a losing season and then to come into a situation like this, it would be devastating, especially if you don't have very many people on that team that's been in a situation like this.
00:46:06
You would need to find you.
00:46:09
So yeah, I get exactly what McCord He is saying that that that is, Ah, something that you you can't dig yourself out.
00:46:16
Most of these guys that are they can't even go.
00:46:20
Most of these guys can't even go to their college careers because generally, when you're drafted, your most of these guys come from winning college teams as well.
00:46:29
You know, first well and raised on a beautiful job of backing, backing himself into a compliment here.
00:46:34
Not most organizations don't have that type of longevity so that guys that have been around on the team for a decade or even 87 whatever this entire run, you don't you've never experienced it because the team has been so stable.
00:46:46
I I think you know it makes sense, because again, in Cam Newton, you have a guy that they literally came back from one of the worst starts of a season to get to the Super Bowl in his career in Carolina.
00:46:56
And the I think you know example, I guess, like in baseball, it's like the Yankees, right? You actually heard this after this playoff run this year when they were talking with Brian Cashman, where he said he was like, Our season starts in the playoffs because we know that's that's where we go.
00:47:11
We go to the playoffs every year and then we take it from there.
00:47:14
Now, ironically, then starting off the season in the playoffs has actually been, well, pretty bad seasons because they're not having success, you know? And I have wondered.
00:47:21
I remember hearing that and wondering, Hey, that's all fine and well that, you know, you guys get there, but what are you doing leading up to that? So that you are ready to go like your life depends on it.
00:47:32
So the idea of McCourty looking at his brother and saying, Listen, I'm not saying we're on autopilot during the regular season.
00:47:39
But in that division where it feels like even if we went nine and 71 year, we're probably still making the playoffs.
00:47:45
We get to kind of just coast through and also under Belichick.
00:47:48
You get to learn technique.
00:47:49
You get to learn the system, you get to adjust and see how the right pieces fit across that roster.
00:47:53
So there's a real benefit to that in terms of playoff runs.
00:47:57
But right now, yeah, you're It is still funny, though, and I will say on the giant side of things, Ah, guy who may not even be here next year for us. Dalvin Tomlinson.
00:48:05
He said he looked around this season and said, He's like, I can see that we're We are turning the corner here that we are getting better and a guy who's been there for some of the worst years, so he knows what the bad teams really look like.
00:48:18
Right from bad personnel and bad play bad execution.
00:48:21
He's sitting there and saying No, this looks better.
00:48:23
I know the wins and losses aren't, you know aren't adding up, but this looks like a team that actually is competent and you Onley know that from being a part of something bad, everything that most of the Patriots like, They go, Yeah, this looks about right.
00:48:34
You know, when When in games, guys.
00:48:35
Good, good, you know.
00:48:36
And now they're standing there going, Why isn't this working? I'm looking around.
00:48:39
I don't know what this is that I see.
00:48:41
Well, I did the math the other day, and since he's been drafted in 2010 according went to the Super Bowl for half his career.
00:48:48
That's good.
00:48:49
I like those odds that those are good odds. I like those odds.
00:48:53
Hey, lost.
00:48:54
He lost one of your team, by the way, as a sop****re on.
00:48:57
And what? And by the way, you're welcome.
00:48:59
What a great learning lesson for him.
00:49:01
That loss.
00:49:02
He couldn't apply for the regular season on Lee on the biggest stage.
00:49:04
It's funny because he said that, he said, I know how to mentor young guys after a big, devastating loss.
00:49:09
Like when we got lost of the Titans in the wild card game, I knew what the state of the young guys because I've lost Super Bowls, I lost age the championship games.
00:49:17
I've never been to him for like he says, consistency week to week during like we've never been.
00:49:23
We've never not been in first at this point of the season, like he's like we don't I don't know what to tell them like they're looking me going deaf what I do.
00:49:30
And he's like, Keep your heads up, you know? And this is a guy, too, and you know, this Patriots team. I mean, this is a guy.
00:49:36
I'm saying this lightly because life and football are not the same thing.
00:49:39
I never compare the two, but here's a guy.
00:49:42
His wife had a miscarriage a month before the season started, you know, and she was like in full trimester.
00:49:48
It wasn't even like an early one like that.
00:49:50
The room was painted type of thing, right? So he's mentally dealing with that.
00:49:54
Now.
00:49:55
He's mentally going through the worst season of his career.
00:49:57
You know, on a year that he might have been retired because he considered retiring after last season, I could only just imagine him sitting in that locker room with Cam Newton and not Tom Brady, you know, because Brady's been there ******* here to being two and four and just being, like, what? The f e nothing.
00:50:16
And that's what he goes.
00:50:17
Go ask somebody else.
00:50:18
You don't really said from the personal side of everything else is just like go talk to somebody else, man.
00:50:23
I'm and I'm not knocking.
00:50:25
That is in a leadership thing.
00:50:26
It's just like, dude, I don't know someone else in here.
00:50:28
Yeah, has a better idea on this, Actually.
00:50:31
Is leadership, right? Yeah.
00:50:33
Yeah, by the way, you're looking to other guys to step up.
00:50:35
Is a part of that too? Yeah. Exact.
00:50:37
That is very, very good leadership to admit.
00:50:40
Hey, I don't know this.
00:50:41
We need to go look at somebody who does know this and get some information from them on that Any any boss, any leader in any team or even your workplace.
00:50:53
Well, straight.
00:50:54
Tell you if you don't know something, admit it first.
00:50:56
That way we could find someone to teach you properly.
00:50:59
So it's the old the old Mark Cuban added, right, if you walk in the room and everybody looks like you fire the room like it's the last way we're gonna have success is a bunch of me looking back in being right now, Lawrence, I'm sure you're gonna move in this direction, but I just I know we're gonna come up against it.
00:51:16
I want to make sure we talked about a lot of quarterbacks and a lot of stats and stuff.
00:51:19
It's worth reminding that as you said it, Ray possible future quarterback there in Carolina, thinking maybe they had a bridge.
00:51:25
One.
00:51:26
Bridgewater.
00:51:27
Teddy has done a fantastic job.
00:51:29
Pun intended friends, UH, 72% completion percentage this year.
00:51:33
He's known for almost 2000 yards.
00:51:34
You know, he's got 300 yards a game, eight touchdowns to five interceptions.
00:51:38
So obviously a couple of mistakes there.
00:51:39
Maybe along the way between him and also seeing the production from Davis in the absence off.
00:51:46
In the absence of McCaffrey, you're really getting an opportunity to say, Oh, like this team at its core was better than I think we realized right better than what we thought they were going to be.
00:51:57
Coming into the season, we thought all the big, flashy pieces and losing can was gonna be devastating.
00:52:00
And then not having Christian McCaffrey's going to devastating.
00:52:02
No, it turns out they're doing a pretty nice job for themselves, and Bridgewater is having that small sample size from the Saints.
00:52:09
It turns out it's a legit like he is having a really solid year for himself, and this team is looking nice and stable.
00:52:14
I just wanna make sure we're giving the tip of the cap to a team that I think we thought was going to be fairly bottom of the rung coming into the year.
00:52:20
And I think that Lawrence has something to say about Teddy Bridgewater.
00:52:25
You eat that humble pie, sir.
00:52:27
Humble pie.
00:52:28
There's still bottom half in the booth.
00:52:31
Yeah, but come on now, though, Man, the numbers speak for themselves like you got a guy throwing for 300 yard game clean over 70% is doing quite well.
00:52:39
He's got a 99 quarter passer rating right now, which is which is very, very solid.
00:52:45
Anything, anywhere around 100 is good.
00:52:48
I mean, would you rather have him right now than Philip Rivers? He's sitting around that Prescott, Ben Roethlisberger, Kyle freaking Alan.
00:52:58
What? Really? That's That's a bit weird.
00:53:02
No, he's actually got one of the he's Wow, he's way down there, actually, in the quarterback ratings.
00:53:10
Yeah, I would rather Teddy Bridgewater than Cam Newton right now to be on.
00:53:15
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:18
If I was New England, I'd be I'd be wishing that I had done that.
00:53:21
Just a little bit of a little bit of consistency.
00:53:24
Problems that kind of afforded Teddy Bridgewater.
00:53:26
Even a 20 million, right? We needed kamut one.
00:53:29
Um, it's just It's the inconsistency, right? Teddy Bridgewater has been consistent.
00:53:33
Look, let's get into it.
00:53:34
My pick tonight is Carolina.
00:53:35
I got them winning 30 to 24.
00:53:38
They need to win this game to keep themselves in the conversation.
00:53:41
My man, Christian McCaffrey, the highest paid and should be highest paid running back in the NFL returns next week and then watch out for this Carolina team, man, because he's just gonna elevate them that much more.
00:53:53
Yeah, yeah, I believe in.
00:53:55
I believe in the Carolina Panthers.
00:53:57
A lot more than I thought I was going to.
00:53:58
When McCaffrey does come back now, all the sudden, you also know that Mike Davis is apparently pretty dynamic for you, too.
00:54:04
So now you get to keep these guys fresh.
00:54:06
You get the have maybe Davis in the backfield with McCaffrey splitting out wide on a handful of plays with a complement of Robby Anderson.
00:54:12
Yeah, listen, there not have been the most dynamic on paper yet.
00:54:16
They also haven't been 100% healthy.
00:54:18
When the Caffrey comes back, it's going to take this offense to a new level.
00:54:21
I know Lawrence is gonna go or maybe a different direction with this, but I I think it's a statement.
00:54:25
Game time for Carolina.
00:54:27
Keep yourselves in the thick of it.
00:54:28
And if you're Atlanta, this is the wheels.
00:54:29
Fall off kind of time.
00:54:30
You're holding out players for trades.
00:54:32
You've got guys on the back end of their careers kind of wondering what the heck happened here.
00:54:36
I could see a check out game.
00:54:38
I I like the line, you know.
00:54:39
31 31 21 is fine for me.
00:54:42
For Carolina to take this.
00:54:43
I just think that you got to franchise is really going in different directions right now.
00:54:47
I like Carolina for when they get Christian McCaffrey back when they get like Ray said.
00:54:55
What like like items says when they get crushed? Christian McCaffrey back.
00:54:59
He's something that just brings a completely different dynamic that most players in the NFL can't bring.
00:55:09
You know that he adds that extra dimension in the passing game.
00:55:14
He makes teams focus on him, ah, 100% in the running game and passing game.
00:55:19
He's one of those rare players where you have to keep a spy on him at all times.
00:55:25
But he's not in for this game.
00:55:27
And, like I said, Carolina offensively rushing and passing our bottom half of the NFL in rushing right now, I think they're like fifth worst in the NFL.
00:55:36
Atlanta housing their 11th, huh? Their 11th and passing yards.
00:55:46
They're averaging 263.
00:55:47
7, Carolina 20th in rushing.
00:55:57
Not what I saw.
00:55:58
That's why again.
00:56:00
And that's why it's nice.
00:56:01
And by the way, just throw out that extra one is.
00:56:02
You put him up there to learn just that, you know, Don't forget that a guy who has been inconsistent at times, Curtis Samuel is also finding his rhythm to with Teddy Bridgewater now.
00:56:10
So introduced Christian McCaffrey to that mix again.
00:56:13
Robby Anderson.
00:56:14
Samuel, Now you're opening things up even further for that offense.
00:56:17
Oh, yeah, definitely.
00:56:18
Now, my only issue is panthers or what? Uh, They're also bottom half in the league in pass defense, Right? If I remember correctly, hold on a No.
00:56:37
They're right about right smack in their tents.
00:56:40
Yeah, they're a good team.
00:56:45
I'm looking at past defense in yardage and I'm seeing them.
00:56:50
227.
00:56:51
1 per game.
00:56:53
10th, 118th in Russia.
00:56:55
What? No defensive starts per game.
00:57:02
Carolina 227.
00:57:03
1 10 passing yards.
00:57:07
I'm seeing 18th in the league.
00:57:08
That's Rush.
00:57:10
They're 18.
00:57:11
They're 18th in rushing yards.
00:57:14
I'm looking at passing yards.
00:57:16
Unless the site I'm on a screwed up, let me know.
00:57:19
Yeah, totally.
00:57:20
A total yards per game.
00:57:22
There are 2468 10 12 there at third, their 13th overall in total yards per game.
00:57:27
Given up in the rushing numbers are right there.
00:57:30
NFL dot com 1590 to 27 in Russia Passing yards per game.
00:57:39
Gentlemen, I just pulled up three different websites, but all I'm saying Pinterest you right with three different I have them is ninth overall in yards per game.
00:57:50
56 c on the I'm looking at, they've given up 1590 yards.
00:57:58
Oh, sorry, sorry I'm looking at per game.
00:58:01
I'm looking at their per game stats.
00:58:02
That's why my numbers were different, their ninth per game.
00:58:05
They gave him an average of 3 56.
00:58:06
9 per game.
00:58:09
That makes him nine.
00:58:10
How much they played? Seven.
00:58:12
Right there.
00:58:13
Therefore three.
00:58:14
They played seven.
00:58:15
Yeah, by the way.
00:58:16
So those number any of these numbers are going to be slightly skewed because you have Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Denver and Baltimore Ravens all listed ahead of the Green Bay Packers, all listed ahead in terms of yards like total yards per game.
00:58:30
Those teams have all given up less, and they've all you know are averaging one more game difference.
00:58:34
And that's not the 1 to 1.
00:58:35
Hey, the numbers go up, but it just means by opponents it's gonna differently and Carolina's numbers to come down a little bit when they play Atlanta's offense.
00:58:41
Theo end of the day is that they're pretty solid in all phases.
00:58:46
They're not gonna, you know, blow you away on offense or defense, and they're also going to be right in the mix for it, which I think is gonna it.
00:58:54
Can Atlanta move the ball against them, Yes, but they're not a young up and coming defense like they're pretty well rounded defense that can stay and keep you in games and get some stops against Atlanta.
00:59:03
I think I wish.
00:59:04
I wish you the NFL dot com would.
00:59:06
If you're watching this put freaking yards per game on there rather than it's a better stat than the overall.
00:59:12
You know what I mean? It's gonna be an interesting because you've got the for.
00:59:15
This is yards.
00:59:16
This is per game, right? You've got the fourth best passing offense against the 10th best passing defense.
00:59:23
And then you've got 2/20 I guess.
00:59:25
Worst running offense in Atlanta as well, against the 18th worst rushing defense.
00:59:30
I mean, everything almost lines up so beautifully, right? It's just such a such a beautiful line up.
00:59:37
Now I'll say 24 points per game.
00:59:39
The Carolinas surrendering defensively.
00:59:42
That's like that's probably the one to hone in on right, A couple of key stops, air getting a couple of key turnovers.
00:59:46
Gonna be interesting, one for them because at least if Atlanta's explosive offensively, then you worry about that a little bit.
00:59:53
If you're Carolina on that side of the ball.
00:59:55
It's the only good news.
00:59:56
Is Atlanta's giving up like 30 points a game? That that's what it all evens out? Friends? It all evens, but But they played Seattle, Dallas, Green Bay.
01:00:08
You know these teams? Uh, Minnesota, even, you know, they all are very high powered offensively.
01:00:14
So that's that's kind of you can throw that in the Lupas.
01:00:18
Well, with with Atlanta now granted, they still look bad defensively, even even though they apparently they couldn't stop the run.
01:00:26
This is the best there.
01:00:27
31st in yards per game, 31st in passing yards, 26 points per game.
01:00:33
Sixth Russian defense per game.
01:00:36
Six years.
01:00:37
What Z, What's their yards per carry given up for? If I If I remember seeing that this site, Amman doesn't go that deep? Okay, I think I think it was.
01:00:48
I saw that they gave up four yards per carry.
01:00:51
No, no.
01:00:52
Carolina gives up.
01:00:54
Um, no.
01:00:55
Carolina only gets 3.
01:00:56
9 yards a carry.
01:00:58
I think if I remember correctly, when they actually run the football, it's like below average.
01:01:03
We're starting to go down a rabbit hole.
01:01:05
Yes, we are.
01:01:06
I'm just gonna go ahead and give my pick.
01:01:07
I think that that the return of Julio Jones is gonna give Atlanta the spark enough to actually pull away.
01:01:12
The only the only question is whether or not this defense is gonna be ableto toe hold toe Hold that lead.
01:01:19
Unlike what they've been able to do over the last I don't know all season, right? That's three years. Questions.
01:01:27
Um, I'm gonna go with Atlanta.
01:01:32
I'm gonna go against the grain here.
01:01:34
I think Atlanta wins this.
01:01:35
I don't think it's gonna be a big game.
01:01:37
I think they're gonna have a big lead early on, and I think they're gonna it's gonna come down to then the other team's gonna come back, but I think they're gonna come up just a little short at the end.
01:01:46
I just love that you're already predicting to come back like that's just what we expect Atlanta place.
01:01:54
I mean, dude, my my Twitter feed is just full of Okay, boys house Atlanta gonna blow it today.
01:02:01
Look, I look down.
01:02:02
It's like a minute into the game, so people are just expecting it right off the hop.
01:02:06
I'll be you know what? I will be excited if Carolina is leading it late in the game and Atlanta has the ball with a clean chance.
01:02:13
All you have to do is use the best thing that you are your offense to go win a game, right? Like here it is.
01:02:20
It's all know timing issues.
01:02:22
You're down by six points, so you don't have to have someone fall or not fall into the end zone.
01:02:27
Just go down, score with zeroes on the clock and you win the game like the most straightforward opportunity.
01:02:32
And then I'll confirm or deny what I think about a lot of these pieces on this roster.
01:02:36
If they don't, you know if it's Matt Ryan choking or not pulling it off.
01:02:39
Yeah, that pretty much confirms my su****ions about what this team has been over the last handful of years.
01:02:43
And then they become seriously content, like serious contenders at two and six, You know that everybody just sakes about.
01:02:51
That's it.
01:02:52
That's awful.
01:02:53
Lawrence, we gotta go. Come on. Say goodbye.
01:02:55
Alright, alright.
01:02:56
It is time the game is up.
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Have a good game and have a good one.
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